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Chart Of The Day: Plunging Gasoline Demand vs The "Soaring" Recovery And Record Dow Jones

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Let's try to spin this: "Gas demand is plunging on a soaring economy, a record DJIA and a more resilient consumer"... Hm, no, that didn't work. Let's give it another try: "Surge in sales of flaming paperweights known as Chevy Volts leads to a plunge in gasoline demand." Uh, no. One last try: "Consumers migrate to Flintstonemobiles, gas up what internal combustion engine cars they have with redbull vodka"... Sorry, we suck at this "spin" stuff -  we will leave it to CNBC. They are the real pros.

 


 


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Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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No comment necessary!! Paul Krugman Files Chapter 13 Bankruptcy Thursday, March 07, 2013 Paul Krugman, the king of Keynesianism and a strong supporter of the delusion that you can print your way out of debt, faces depression at his very own doors.
According to this report in Austria's Format online mag, Krugman owes $7.35 million while assets to his name came in at a very meager $33,000. This will allow the economist and New York Times blogger to get a feel of how the majority of Americans go about their dreadful lives without any savings and a social system that will only shed pennies to him.
Krugman's list of debts shows a stunning similarity as to what's wrong these days.
The biggest chunk is related to a $8.7 million loan for his Manhattan condo, followed by $621,000 in credit card debt. Krugman probably is not seen of 5th Avenue anymore. Among his list of creditors, Tiffany's stands out with a $33,000 in open collections.
Things really went downhill for the star economist. His Manhattan residence lost 40% in value and makes one wonder how can somebody do so bad in the best of all US property hotspots.
Krugman went deeper into the red by impulsive shopping splurges, throwing his money after Portuguese wines and British dresses from the Victorian period, flattening his Black Amex card by $84,000 in one month.

Click here to go to the The Prudent Investor homepage for more interesting posts.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Me thinks the OnStart fine print was added.  If you opt out of OnStart, I am sure your mobile phone company has provided a connection to the gov which the gov gladly pays them for.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Bernanke: "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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"Paul Krugman Files Chapter 13 Bankruptcy Thursday, March 07, 2013"

Maybe there actually IS a God!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Alas, it is a false rumor; his life's work should only bankrupt the USA, not himself.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Pity.  I guess Krugman's reckoning comes in the next life, not this.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Daily Currant is like the Onion.

Krugman would never impose neo-Keynesian madness on his own wallet.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:53 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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+10,000 Hedgeless Horseman

I'll take my Escalade with a personalized hood ornament - a little cast chrome Krugman head sipping champagne.   In fact, I'll have that in platinum.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment bobola
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I am part of the gas consumption problem, and proud of it.

Commute to work via bike 4-5 days per week.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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"hood ornament - a little cast chrome Krugman head sipping champagne" 

Mine will be a reverse imprint of the real thing on the grill

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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A little hate does a body good.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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I got a kick out of the CPA's "expert" advice in the article: "It’s not a good idea to raid your retirement; you’re getting money now that you’ll need to live on when you’re older."  N.S., Sherlock.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment spiral galaxy
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Your also part of the healthcare problem by draining money from the medical community by being personally responsible for your health!  Ditto the expensive automotive aftermarket, repair, insurance and .....gasp!!........the state and local revenue streams that depend on law breakers that they fine, fee and surcharge!!  All those jobs you could have created by being a sloth!!  Seriously, have you no conscious?!!  Immediately give up your bike, join the hordes wasting fuel in traffic jams and filling their gut with fast-food as they sit in front of their TV set as a vegatable of media marketing!!! :-)

P.S. I commute by bike 5 days a week in addition to small around-town errands, etc., averaging nearly 3000m per year and saving a fortune in gas, mass transit fees and medical bills.  Enjoy!!! :-)

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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Switched to bike to get into better shape... never looked back. Unfortunately not everyone can do it - a lot of places not exactly conducive to bike transport.

But if it's an option I highly recommend it for a lot of reasons, everytime I pass by a traffic snarl I think thank God that's not me anymore!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 17:30 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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As soon as the snow is clear, I'll be riding my bike to work. Time on public transit ~ 40-50 minutes. Time on bike ~ 30 minutes. Savings: $100/month. Feeling like a kid again: Priceless.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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averaging nearly 3000m per year

3km a year? BFD - I do that in ten minutes.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Pooper Popper
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Ha Ha cnbc stopped their commentery because everyone was calling out their Blatant lies

Between diane o boot licker and mr LIESman not a single truth can be found!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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HH, you are correct. False rumor. The Daily Currant article lists his attorney as Bertil Ohlin. Bertil Ohlin was actually a Nobel winning trade economist and a leader of the People's Party of Sweden. Also, a mention of H. Minsky as the purchaser of Krugmans NY apartment was a big hint.

Amazing how the blogosphere is running with this.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment walküre
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Krugman personally smashed the windows in his Manhattan appartment to stimulate growth!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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Seems fitting somehow that Krugy and the Kenyan have been given a prize named after the daddy of dynamite.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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See ~ thats where the mix-up occurred... The "Daddy of Dyn-o-mite' award for Obama was supposed to be the coveted Jimmy "JJ" Walker prize, not a Nobel...

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment hapless
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Fake, but accurate.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Stock Tips Inve...
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Looks like Krugman a Keynesian policy to implement their own personal finances. As they say in my country ... drank of his own medicine.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment 20-20 Hindsight
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One has to wonder: is this the same "Paul Krugman" who's making a complete ass of himself on ZH forums?  Either way, if the one who is posting here is an impostor, he's doing a grand imitation of the real one.  If this IS the real Krugman, well I guess that would explain everything: the man has lost all his marbles, literally.  

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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U.S. gasoline consumption is now at levels last seen 10 years ago.

Just one of DOZENS (if not dozens of dozens) OF CREDIBLE, NO-SPIN INDICATORS of a VERY MUCH LOST DECADE, INDEED!

 

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Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Folks, the very best rebuttal to the "better gas mileage" and "electric cars" claims that want this to be good news is to go to the Transportation statistics and look at miles driven by all road vehicles, from trucks to motorcycles to SUVs to cars.

They are down significantly from 2007 -- and let's not forget there's 1/2 a decade of population growth in that stat.

It's a complete disaster and we're being lied to.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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Population density = less driving + more efficiency.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population-density-people-...

I thought this was a well known fact.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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You have it wrong.  If that were causative, there would be no increase in US car sales.  Nor would electoral votes be shifting AWAY from the over urbanized northeast to the less urban south and west.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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What you just said makes no sense.

1. Our population is growing more quickly than other industrialized countries, therefore more demand for vehicles.

2. We got hit by a hurricane that destroyed 250,000 vehicles, therefore more demand for vehicles.

3. While we have more population and more vehicles, that population is overwhelmingly located in major cities, and becomes more and more so every year. This means less distance traveled and therefore less gas usage.

People get sick of gas prices and BS commutes and move into the city to be closer to work. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Regardless as to the particulars of what you claim, TriGuy, you are not arguing that gasoline consumption in the U.S. has essentially fallen back to 2003 levels, correct?

Would you further concede that Americans are driving fewer miles on average annually than at any time in at least 10 years (I believe AAA came out with a study that claimed something closer to 20 years, but I can't find the link now)?

If so, I will move on to your particulars, and I think any claim that the purchase of alternative fuel/electric vehicles has had any significant effect in reducing gasoline use, or that the number of people who used to live in cities but who now have moved back to an area not requiring any or as much commuting has been a significant factor in curbing gasoline consumption, is garbage.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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Agreed, the use of alternate fuels has had a marginal impact.

What I'm arguing is that the reduction in demand for gasoline and the reduction of miles driven is not necessarily a negative economic indicator. It most likely is just a confirmation of what we already know, people are moving in to the cities and closer 'burbs.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment cossack55
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It appears those pesky moths continue to gather at the flame.  Never ends well.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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 I think any claim that the purchase of alternative fuel/electric vehicles has had any significant effect in reducing gasoline use, ...is garbage.

Agreed. However, average fuel economy in gasoline powered cars and trucks is up significantly since 2003. Cash for clunkers may have been ill-thought out, but it did get thousands of decade old (e.g. 1990-1995) cars off the road, and those cars were lucky to be getting 20 mpg even if they were compacts (given engine wear, declining efficiency, poor maintenance, etc.). Every time you swap out a car getting 10 mpg with one getting 40 mpg, there's going to be an impact on overall consumption.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Dealyer Turdin
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My '93 gets 38 mpg.  And has mad power...I think the 3-4 bangers in the 90's and the 22-re's are some of the best motors ever built, without all the extra hoodoo parts modern-er rides have.  They were'nt disguising inflation by outsourcing cheaper parts re- Benz and Toyota.

Nor do you really ever have to go see a mechanic if you have the penchant.  No dealership anti-theft lockout...  I feel sorry for people with newer cars when they start crappin' out, so does my buddy, the dealership auto parts manager.  He won't part with his 2003 4wd 4 cyl tacoma no matter how high the miles go, it's worth it just to service it to him.

Planned obsolescence on tons of bells and whistles is going to eat this latest round of cars alive, is all I'm sayin.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Other than an exercise in conjecture, I'm not sure why you think this urbanization is happening.

The only cities I see growing at all are education/hospital/government centers. You know, all the places where money from Uncle Sugar first flows. Any city that depended upon commerce seems in decline, with the exception of areas out West where mining and fracking occur.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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You don't follow technology too closely do you?

San Francisco

Boston

Austin

Seattle

Hunstville

I can keep going all day if you want. Welcome to the future.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I agree that you're deeply engaged in conjecture, but I'll try to find some credible data that would indicate that this "urbanization" you speak of, at best, mainly lures already urbanized residents and workers (as in the "technology field" that you emphasize) from one urban locale to another one.

If this weren't the case, you're essentially trying to build a case that there's been a significant de-suburbinization of America, where a relatively large number of previous suburban commuters have migrated to urban core areas possessing efficient and widely used mass transit, to such a degree and in such numbers (on a net basis, meaning that it also offsets the number of people who've moved from urban areas to suburbia) that it's had a meaningful impact on reduced gasoline consumption (i.e. voluntary versus mandatory consumption).

I'd suggest that the unemployment, underemployment, labor force participation rate and real wage-income/benefit trends are the real reason driving reduced gasoline consumption (pardon the pun), and not some claim on mass urbanization.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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First of all, America does not consist of just urbanites and suburbanites. People moving from rural areas to the suburbs would still constitute an increasing population concentration. The net flow in America is towards population concentration, and increasingly jobs are becoming available in the suburbs. On average people simply have to commute less to get to work.

No one said anything about "efficient and widely used mass transit". If I live in the city and drive my car to work in the city, I don't drive as much as I would if I lived in the burbs and drove my car to the city.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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You're still essentially arguing that a significant reduction in U.S. gasoline consumption is at least in significant part attributable to a net positive population shift from suburbs to urban areas, though, unless I'm misinterpreting your claim.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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ehmm... the US has overtaken europe in urbanization - though your definition of "urban" is slightly different, particularly when it's about pop density and "walkability"

I believe there was this US president who hoped this would never happen, but here we are

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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He Who Should not be Named.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Harding was a helluva president, following that statist control freak W...n, who indeed must not be named.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Obamneyclintonbush?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment prains
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Odumboraygunomneytron?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Walkability in swaths of european urban zones demands muzzle headgear for the women. So, fail, even though the thought was nice.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Walkability in swaths of european urban zones demands muzzle headgear for the women. So, fail, even though the thought was nice.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Walkability in swaths of european urban zones demands muzzle headgear for the women. So, fail, even though the thought was nice.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Wishful thinking buy suburb and near countryside dwellers hoping the rest of the world would get off the roads they personally use. This also explains the political support for public transportation. Get the other people off the damn road so we can enjoy it. Also, once you have a McMansion with lots of green space around it, you want some lefty retards to declare the surrounding inviolable. Scarcity drives up your house price and keeps the section 8 dwellers further away.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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how the hell do they figure out the total number of miles driven? 

 

do they take the total number of gallons of gasoline sold and assign some average MPG number to it?  

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Hmmm.....

 

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Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Phd economists, of course.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Stock Tips Inve...
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The Stock market is ahead of the curve. Prices do not reflect what is actually happening. On the contrary, the prices reflect what the market thinks will happen in the coming months.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The heat death of the universe is the end point that should be priced in, on european stock markets at least.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Don't worry. If you don't buy one for yourself, you'll buy one for your government. Have a nice day!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Gimme one of those MRAPs the DHS is gearing up with.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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speakeasy credit available

cabin fever included free

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Arb if the day: $67k in worthless paper for a machine that can hold the family safe while it runs over zombies after the apocalypse

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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... only good luck finding gas after the first tank runs dry

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment aerojet
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That is fucking insane!  Ford F-Series trucks, which used to be in the "highly affordable, basic transportation for people who do real work" category are ridiculously over-priced and over-optioned, too.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Water Is Wet
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Yes, trucks turned into something for men who need to overcompensate on their daily commute using only paved roads in dense traffic.  You must get the "Kind Ranch Texas Special Harley Davidson Deluxe Edition" truck with leather, heated seats and ball tickler to be a real man.

On gas prices, I've refused to completely fill my gas tank for the last 75 cents of run up.  I buy a weeks worth of gas (about $20 bucks); won't completely fill up until prices aren't retarded again.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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And don't forget the guy in the commercial that can't get it up.  He needs horses to drag his truck through a little mud and no one I know seems to know why the stupid bastard didn't drive the truck around the mud puddle in the first place.  Sperm build up apparently leads to poor decision making, right Ben?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment acetinker
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LOL! Had to log in just to green ya' for that one!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment climber
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The ball tickler is such a great feature.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Mine is the opposite: I get kicked in the head by a 4 year old every 10 seconds while the wife bitches at me

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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So I take it that you have the 'voice activated' "Play ~ the wheels on the bus go round & round" MP3 player option... Plus ~ the bush guard headlight protectors, everyone needs those in the suburban jungle...

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Correction... it's "Elmo's Song" And I have the brain embolism to proove it :)

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Well at least if your brain embolism forces you to unexpectedly swerve violently off the road & crash, your headlights will survive intact ~ so you have that going for ya... 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment fourchan
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crashing demand leads to skyrocketing 4.00 a gallon gas. sounds perfect for this market o ponzi.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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'Real men' are looking more and more like real suckers on the other side of the gas pump. 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Seer
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I look at everything from the lens of it being a tool.  What I see is that increasingly more tools are being misused/under-used.  Yeah, ALL newer "light duty" trucks have become WAY over-spec'd and therefore make it harder to properly use to full effect.

I see what seems to be hundreds of these expensive turbo-charged diesels running the roads around where I live and I have to wonder how the hell people could/can afford them.  Yeah, I've got a diesel truck (bought it last summer for $2,500!), but it's 20 years old, no turbo (I like them, but cannot justify the price- and I don't want to be stuck with a bunch of electronics in order to have one) or electronic engine management bits.  It's a FARM truck that is used to HAUL "stuff" rather than people (or, as many around my neck of the woods do- haul worthless horses).

I've seen this movie before, back in the early 70s with the "muscle cars."  Seems as though this is a pretty good indicator that things are soon to fall WAY back down.  Not only are we having "muscle car" flash-backs but we're including "muscle trucks" now! (an ex-friend of mine, he never grew up from those days, boasts about racing his Hemi truck around- I asked him if that wasn't like professional womens basketball- if you want to go fast then do it in a fucking car! [if you want to watch the fastest basketball then watch professional mens basketball]; I suspect that this never did sit too well with him- I suppose better than a Hummer though, as at least you can use the bed for a planter!).

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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I've spent a fair amount of time in Eastern Europe, and sometimes while creeping along in heavy traffic, i've tried to visualize what a brand new F-350 extended cab would look like nestled among the road weary Ladas, etc.   Well, the size of the truck would certainly be exaggerated by the sea of tiny compacts surrounding it.  But the striking thing would be the obvious attempt at penis compensation....i'd almost be embarrassed for the driver. 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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But the striking thing would be the obvious attempt at penis compensation

That does give me some insight into Mrs. Horseman.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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haha, she lives out in the sticks HH. 

And here in America, surrounded by 6500 lb, 70mph, elevated projectiles, it can be self defense.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Inertia bitchez.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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also the ads on TV every five minutes for a 20,000 ton pickup truck that can pull 100,000,000 tons ...

 

all for "zero down!"

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Cortez
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Zero down is great but it is the $400 to $500 payment per month that keeps buyers away.  People figured out that driving a car longer is the way to go financially.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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I LOVE THE COMMERCIAL OF THE PICKUP TRUCK PULLING A SPACE VEHICLE THAT WE CAN NO LONGER PUT IN ORBIT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLdA8tEpO0k  obama legacy

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Seer
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And wait until repairs are needed!  Heck, even simple maintenance is expensive!  And then there's also insurance...

I'm ALWAYS thinking about maintenance costs when I take on something new (or even replacing something).

"People figured out that driving a car longer is the way to go financially."

???

It would be financially devastating if I were to try and use my car to haul feed etc.. I'd break the thing!  Use the proper tool for the job! (think that people running semi trucks think that cars would be better?)

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Nissan charges 350 bucks to replace a headlamp on a Murano, lamp not included. It is a bear to get to. Supposedly older jeeps are more maintainable ..easier to get to everything means less labor cost...but those are UAW vehicles. Not going to support the Government Party's coffers n my country. Screw em' and their acquaintances too, by mere association.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Cortez
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The FED should give every American of driving age $20,000 "Bernank Bucks" that have to be used to buy a car.  Our economy and GDP will be BOOOOMing.  Fuck any consequences later.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 08:45 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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yep, its all roaring back.....

my cousin told me that she and her husband were not successful on an offer they placed on a house earlier this week. they bid $5k over the asking price...and lost.

let the good times roll.....courtesy of uncle ben, of course.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment bozzy
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Hell! I told him not to wear those dresses particulalry after being so rude to that polite Spanish man last year.....

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment God Bless The V...
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THANK YOU LORD!

It could not have happened to a bigger scumbag PRICK!

Rot in hell you progressive / socialist scumbag prick!

Man, this just made my day!

Now if Barry would just see socialism for its true evil,

sorry lord, even you cant do that!

God save the Republic!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Turin Turambar
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If this is true, Krugman must have failed to take his own advice.  He just didn't spend enough.  ;-)

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment fourchan
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lol! if true this is awsome.

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Deadbeat!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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of cause not, the banksters would never allow their tool to default

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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DO NOT CLICK LINK!  IT JUST FROZE MY PC

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Goggles Pisano
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The Daily Currant is a satirical newspaper.......so doubtful.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Seer
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Think that "Currant" is the clue? :-)

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment SelfGov
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Interesting that peak US gasoline consumption occurred shortly after the global plateau in oil production. Wait, not interesting, predictable...

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:51 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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funny how that works. And it's not like a number of folks predicted these patterns

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:03 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Fleet vehicles are being converted to Nat Gas.  Railroads are already testing prototypes.

Gasoline will be one of many fuels, no longer the king of the road.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment That Peak Oil Guy
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You need a lesson in energy density.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"You need a lesson in energy density"

..and energy storage

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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You need some lessons on the real world.

http://www.ngvfleetforum.com/

 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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See my comment above about miles driven statistics being down sharply.

All attempts to ascribe gasoline consumption decline to something other than economic devastation are just silly.  We have 1/2 a decade of additional population and total miles driven are down 15-20% over that 5 years.

That has nothing to do with batteries, nat gas or anything other than fewer miles being driven.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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How about the U.S. population becoming more heavily concentrated in cities = less driving and more efficiency.

This is actually a positive economically speaking, and is pretty easily verified too.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/population-density-people-...

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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As I pointed out above, you have this wrong -- in two ways.

1) There has been an increase in cars purchased.  This alleged surge in city dwellers would be on subways.

2) The population migration in the US is from the overpopulated northeast southward and westward to less urbanized areas -- as demonstrated by electoral vote reapportionment.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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As above:

1) Due to a growing population and 250k vehicles destroyed by sandy.

2) Populations are moving into urban areas in the U.S. OVERWHELMINGLY. Look it up, this is a well recorded fact that you can't deny.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment SamuelMaverick
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Triguy, you are flat out spewing BS. 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment TriGuy
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All you have to learn is how to use Google. Once you've done that everything I'm saying is easily verified.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment SelfGov
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More people are moving to the city. It is because they could no longer afford the high car payment and high price of fueling the beast. This is called demand destruction.

 

EDIT: Duplicated post. Also the declines in miles driven coincide with increases in fuel price.

http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/indicators/miles-driven.htm...

 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment SelfGov
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DUPE

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment SamuelMaverick
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TRIGUY, there is not a shift to urbanization in the US.  Your source data is either crap, or you are unable to read demographic/population data correctly. 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Seer
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Um... how about the FACT that more and more people are UNEMPLOYED (and on food stamps)?  Think that THIS might be a big contributor to the decline (as well)?

This was my argument for why I spoke out against increasing transportation infrastructure.  In a small city where I used to live (be sure to account for those fleeing cities- many around me have done this [lots of influence by myself]) they boasted about commuter rail to a big nearby city.  Oh how excited people were... back then; now that many are likely unemployed AND indirectly PAYING to subsidize this I wonder what they think.

Meanwhile we continue to dig the hillsides for coal, pollute ground water for NG extraction, and funnel MASSIVE amounts of money into our war machine in order to keep the flow of oil going.  Cities, I'm afraid, are TOTALLY unsustainable (it's because of the necessary infrastructure, the one you're boasting about): history shows that people out in the country CAN survive without the cities; it doesn't show the converse.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Homesteading bitchez. Is there an ETF for that?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Look at the scale on your graph.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Living crammed together is how Europe ended up under crushing statism with deadly low birth rates. Humans don't want to live crammed together.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Oh man, he said "chevy volt"-  that always leads to the 14 dewches who actually bought one to show up here, spouting their Kool-Aid......

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Rubicon
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Gas demand plunging due to poverty?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:54 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Recent Walmart sales figures seem to support that theory.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Both can be explained by the wealth effect the rise in the DOW has provided. Those who used to shop at WalMart can now afford to visit Nordstrom and Nieman Marcus. Those who once drove Civics, Corollas, Fiestas, etc. are now able to drive a Tesla or Fisker.

We're rich, I tell you, rich. Beyond our wildest dreams.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment thecoloredsky
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Just asked a co-worker what she thought of the reason behind the chart. First thing she said was "hybrids?"

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:03 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Yabba dabba doo!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment aerojet
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Cash for Clunkers.  Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment DblAjent
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You work at Walmart?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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CNBC

 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Seer
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And you commute with Cramer, right? </sarc>

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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*derp*

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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File this under: Please just shoot me now.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:03 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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That.  Poverty.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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Lots of people are now walking to the grocery stores, etc. in my neighborhood.  They are not doing it for the exercise.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment toady
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I've noticed that too, I've seen a handful pushing carts a half-mile from the store, and a half-dozen carts in the park where the kids play with them after they find them in the neighborhood.

It didn't really click for me until I saw the notice on the door of the grocery store ;

'Do not take carts out of the parking lot!'

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Smegley Wanxalot
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The shopping carts at a Vons near my parents are GPS tracked and have wheel locks that activate when the cart goes out of the parking lot area.  Smart idea.

The best part is the bums are complaining, and no doubt the transcient rights retards will line up to sue big business for securing its property.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment mr1963
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Same thing happened on my golf cart, went to drive onto the green to make my putt and the damn thing stopped me. I guess it expected me to walk or something, screw that.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Wow, I can't imagine that's cost effective. It's surely cheaper to keep a couple of cart chaser kids on the alert.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment jumbo maverick
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If government motors would tap into this they may make some profit. Production line re tooled to make shopping carts. Lot of potential there. A chicken in every pot a cart in every garage.

Speaking of shopping carts and cars it was always fun to get in a big mall type parking lot as your buddy drove and you hang out the passenger window holding the cart. Get up to speed and let that cart fly. Lotta fun.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:51 | Link to Comment schatzi
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Not to spoil the doomsday party, but improving fuel efficiency is a global phenomena accelerated by higher fuel prices.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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This article is about the US. Do you know what "miles driven" means?

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment schatzi
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The US doesn't import Japanese and European cars? I'm learning something new every day.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Average MPG has increased by about 10% over the past 4-5 years, and the median age of the US car is about 10 years. So, no, the results you see are not entirely down to efficiency.

 

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5097ee4e6bb3f7474300000b-1206-7...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States#Age...

2007 the overall median age for automobiles was 9.4 years

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Miles driven.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment DavidC
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That was 2007, presumably Cash for Clunkers subsequently has had an effect on that number?

DavidC

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment schatzi
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Well at least some of you are actually discussing numbers and giving it some thought instead of dumping some Zero Hedge conforming soundbite.

 

There is a lot of conjecture going on. The link to the site posted above uses the miles driven numbers, which provides a fair comparison beyond any efficiency issues and shows a graph topping out. But that still doesn't give you the direct cause and effect many claim: the recession is to blame. Yeah it could be, but miles driven alone is no proof. The other factor and IMO the far more important one, is the price of fuel influencing behavior. It's the most obvious conclusion to be drawn and can be based on the most simple price elasticity models. Compare that to the overall flat spending in the US.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:42 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Way to take a simple subject and obfuscate it to the point of banality....

Quit trying to sound brighter than the other kids and buy into the VERY basic premise:  less zoomy-zoom means fewer trips to Walmart.

It's a global oil-based economy, dude- ain't that tough to figure out.....

Freaking Econ students.....

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment schatzi
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Ummm... thanks for that. I did my post grad 20 years ago. Yes it is simple and banal, yet people here draw the wrong conclusions or conclusions that lack any direct proof, simply because it fits into their constricted views. It's not my job to convince people of anything else, I'm just astounded by the mindless conformity.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment jcaz
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LOL-  and thank you for confirming MY post-  another wanna-be intellectual, trying to make a point where there is none to be made......

Dude, it's not a job-  it's a fucking ADVENTURE!

Psst- the proof is right in front of you-  look down from your Ivory Tower.......

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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OK - so what explains the drop in miles driven? What behavior disconnected from economic activity explains this?

You're at bat.

And no down arrow for you because you almost ate a little crow.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment schatzi
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What's so difficult to understand? Miles driven reflects consumption behaviour. Even with the premise of keeping your $ budget for fuel CONSTANT, you need to consume less fuel with rising prices. It means not driving unnecessary miles, it means better route planning, it means using public transport, car pooling etc.. Add to that the strong rise in online consumption cutting into individual transport usage. But no, It's probably Obama's fault and fuck you Bernanke. Happy?

 

As to up & down arrows. Seriously? I couldn't give a fuck. I'm here to be alternatively informed but made the mistake of seeking discussion.

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