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Guest Post: The Lies That Gun Grabbers Tell

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,

When a group or organization seeks to establish any social policy, it helps tremendously if that group remains honest in their endeavor. If its members are forced to lie, tell half-truths or use manipulative tactics in order to fool the masses into accepting its initiative, then the initiative at its very core is not worth consideration. Propaganda is not simply political rhetoric or editorial fervor; it is the art of deceiving people into adopting the ideology you want them to espouse. It is not about convincing people of the truth; it is about convincing people that fallacy is truth.

Nothing embodies this disturbing reality of cultural dialogue more than the ill-conceived movement toward gun control in America.

It isn’t that gun control proponents are impossible to talk to in a rational manner; most gun control activists have an almost fanatical cult-like inability to listen to reason. It isn’t that they are so desperate to paint themselves as “intellectually superior” to 2nd Amendment advocates; intellectual idiocy is a plague upon many ideological groups. What really strikes me as astonishing is the vast and embarrassing lengths to which gun grabbers in particular will go to in order to deny facts and obfuscate history.

I have seen jaw-dropping acts of journalistic debauchery and blatant disregard for reality since the gun debate exploded in the wake of Sandy Hook. I have seen past precedents rewritten in order to falsely diminish gun rights arguments. I have seen dishonest and volatile tactics used to misdirect discussion and attack the character, rather than the position, of those who defend the 2nd Amendment. I have seen gun grabbers use unbelievable acts of deception that border on clinically sociopathic in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

A perfect example has been the assertion by gun control proponents that despotic regimes do not disarm their populations before committing genocide. This primarily stems from the rationalization that the Third Reich did not exactly introduce gun control measures, rather it used measures that were already in existence. Gun grabbers are willing to cherry pick historical references in defense of Adolf Hitler in order to get their way. Sadly, they seem to forget that Hitler’s gun control policies of 1938 disarmed the Jewish people as his “Final Solution” was being implemented. Apparently, gun grabbers do not count the Jews as German citizens victimized by disarmament.

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/lets-stick-to-the-facts-when-discussing-gun-control.html/

The Nazis did deregulate some firearms as gun grabbers argue, but what they don’t mention is that this deregulation was designed to benefit only those citizens who proved to be loyal to the Nazi Party. Hitler was happy to arm those who swore fealty to the Reich.

In one of the latest instances of gun grabber duplicity and disinformation, I came across an opinion piece by Henry Blodget, the CEO and editor-in-chief of Business Insider and a regular on Yahoo’s “Daily Ticker,” entitled “Finally A Gun Is Used To Stop A Crime Instead Of Killing Innocent People.”

Blodget is primarily an economic analyst, as I am, and is not exactly an unintelligent louse. He is well aware of the proper methods of research and how to present a debate point with tangible evidence. He should know better than to publish a piece with so many inconsistencies and broken pretenses. However, it presents an important opportunity to examine the cognitive dissonance of media gun grabbers and their attempts to influence the populace.

Blodget is asserting that private firearms ownership is not a practical means of self-defense, that instances of self-defense are rare and that this view diminishes the “need” for 2nd Amendment protections. He goes on to proclaim:

“In practice, unfortunately, the guns that good guys own to protect themselves from bad guys too often end up killing the good guys’ kids or wives or the good guys themselves (either via suicide, accident, or, in some cases, because they’re grabbed by the bad guys and used against the good guys). Or, as in the case of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, the guns kill people who the good guys think are bad guys but who aren’t actually bad guys…”

Blodget never actually qualifies any of the notions contained in this statement. He never provides any statistics on wives and children of good guys being shot. Also, I was not aware that the Trayvon Martin case had already been decided and that Trayvon was found not to be the aggressor. Does Blodget have a crystal ball?

Blodget starts off his anti-gun tirade very poorly with several unqualified statements that he never answers for. This is highly common among gun grabbers; they feel so righteous (overzealous) in their cause that they feel no regret in spouting baseless conclusions with the presumption that their audience will never question their logic.

Blodget then focuses on a single event as an example of the “rarity” of successful gun defense. This instance involved the death of a teen who held a gun on a reserve police officer and high school basketball coach. The coach pulled his own personal weapon and fired in defense. Blodget uses some strategic omissions in his description of the event. For instance, he fails to mention that the coach was 70 years old, and that perhaps owning a gun was indeed his only practical means of protecting himself and his players against two young thugs, one of whom obtained a firearm illegally (as most criminals do. According to the FBI, only 8 percent of guns used in a crime are purchased legally at a gun store).

Blodget also uses the smiling image of one of the attackers at the top of his article, as if we should feel sorry for him. Perhaps I’m just coldhearted, but the death of a violent offender at the hands of his intended victim does not bring a tear to my eye.

The fact that he uses this particular instance of gun defense was, of course, strategic. A teen died, and both the attacker and the defender were armed with guns. He means us to see the event as a tragedy caused by the very existence of civilian firearms ownership. Blodget somehow overlooks the thousands upon thousands of other self defense stories out there in which gun ownership saved lives…

What about the story of student Chris Boise, who used an AR-15 to ward off two armed assailants breaking into his apartment. The criminals ran at the sight of his weapon:

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Homeowners-Scare-Off-Burglars/7yaLSXAvCUGBkwgAZpGO4g.cspx

What about an Atlanta mother of 9-year-old twins who shot and killed an assailant with a previous record of battery breaking into her home. A police officer on scene after the event noted that “she handled her first shooting better than he did…”

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/mother-of-two-surprises-burglar-with-five-gunshots/nTnGR/

How about the 1997 incident at a High School in Pearl, Mississippi, in which a 16 year old murdered his mother, then went to school with a rifle and opened fire (sound familiar), shooting several and killing two. The student was subdued by the Vice Principle, who had to run to his care to grab his .45 Colt (Note that when a staff member of a school is armed, the body count of these attacks goes way down):

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,136736,00.html

And why not mention the man who entered a Golden Food Market in Richmond, Virginia opening fire at employees and customers, only to be shot down by a conceal carrying citizen:

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14664/statistics-show-concealed-carry-saves-many-lives-takes-few

These are just a few of the numerous instances of gun defense across the U.S. that the mainstream media likes to ignore. Blodget had all of these examples at his disposal. He could have written a fair and honest editorial, but he didn’t.

After Blodget presents his carefully picked gun defense story, he then makes these three points:

“First, and most importantly, the gun used for protection in this case would be perfectly legal under the proposed new gun-control laws. The proposed laws ban military-grade assault weapons and massive ammo clips, not handguns. And assuming the coach did not have a criminal record, he would still be a legal gun owner.

The bottom line is that no mainstream politician in the current gun control debate is talking about banning the kind of gun used in this incident...”

To which proposed gun law is Blodget referring? Many gun grabbers are suggesting that the New York SAFE Act model be applied nationwide. The SAFE Act makes any weapon that can hold magazines of more than seven rounds illegal. Some lawmakers, like Senator Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.), have openly suggested a total ban of all firearms that includes confiscation. So, depending on which laws are passed, the coach may not have survived the attack unless, like the criminal, he obtained a weapon illegally.

“…Second, the coach was a trained police officer. He knew very well how to carry, handle, and use his handgun. And the fact that he used it effectively under the extreme shock and pressure of being robbed at gunpoint shows how well trained he was.”

The coach was a reserve police officer, but this is irrelevant to the incident. Aspiring police officers qualify in the firearms segment of their training using a mere 50 to 60 rounds during scenarios that are taught in even the most rudimentary civilian courses, which often use hundreds of rounds during qualifications. Police officers do not get magical training. In fact, many officers are forced to attend civilian-run training facilities in order to get more time and more complex experience. Civilian combat weapons enthusiasts are often far better prepared for a violent situation than the average law enforcement official.

The reason Blodget fixates on the police status of the victim is because, like most gun grabbers, he is a statist. In his mind, a designated state official is given credence by the government and is, therefore, somehow a superhero with amazing gun-wielding powers that us poor civilian mortals could never hope to master. This naïve sentiment is displayed by many a gun grabber who has never actually owned or fired a gun in his life.

“Third, this incident could easily have turned out differently–as many similar incidents do. If the coach had been a bit slower or clumsier in pulling his own gun, the attackers could have shot and killed all three of the victims before they had a chance to defend themselves. (In the wild west, when everyone carried guns, it wasn’t always the bad guys that got shot.)”

Yes, and a comet could fall from the sky and roast the Earth. Hypothetically, anything could go wrong at any moment, yet, thousands of Americans defend themselves each year with a firearm without killing innocent bystanders or being too slow or clumsy on the draw. Why should gun owners abandon their rights just because some people cannot control their personal fears?

Finally, how much better are an unarmed victim’s chances of survival? Is Blodget really trying to insinuate being armed does not increase a victim’s ability to defend himself unless he happens to be a cop on a government salary? If faced with a gun- or knife-wielding attacker who threatened him or his family, would Blodget turn down the use of a firearm if available? Would he try to shoot the perpetrator, or would he fall to his knees and beg for mercy?

The only tangible evidence that Blodget uses to buttress his opinion that self-defense is not a viable argument for gun ownership is a single FBI statistic on justifiable homicides. Justifiable homicide is a gray area of law, and the number of instances recorded by the FBI in no way reflects the actual frequency in which guns are used in self-defense.

By exploiting this one statistic, Blodget knowingly disregards the fact that many gun defense situations do not end in the death of the attacker. He also disregards the number of criminals who run at the sight of an armed target, as well as the number of crimes that are prevented completely because the criminal is not certain whether his targets are armed.

Most police departments do not keep accurate records of attempted crimes which were thwarted by armed citizens. The only sources of such statistics are surveys held by various organizations and institutions. Blodget quickly dismisses the widely disseminated survey by criminology professor Gary Kleck, which shows that there are far more instances of guns used to thwart crime than guns used to perpetrate crime. Blodget claims that the study is “old and highly flawed because it used a small number of people as a test group”, all common assertions by gun control fanatics. The study was held in 1994 (hardly ages ago), and surveyed 5000 households.

A recent Reuter/Ipsos poll used widely by gun grabbers claimed that 74% of Americans support an assault weapons ban, yet their survey only involved 559 people with far less oversight than Kleck’s study.  The hypocritical nature of the anti-gun mindset is revealed again...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gun-poll_n_2498840.html

Vehement gun control advocate and criminologist Marvin Wolfgang made this comment on Kleck’s study:

“What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator.”

He went on to say that a conflicting National Crime Victimization Survey (also used widely by gun grabbers) did not contradict the Kleck study, and that the argument of “too few participants” was unfounded:

“I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well. … The usual criticisms of survey research, such as that done by Kleck and Gertz, also apply to their research. The problems of small numbers and extrapolating from relatively small samples to the universe are common criticisms of all survey research, including theirs. I did not mention this specifically in my printed comments because I thought that this was obvious; within the specific limitations of their research is what I meant by a lack of criticism methodologically.”

According to survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology entitled ‘Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment’, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year. This is a conservative estimate compared to Kleck’s 2.5 million, but it is still a far larger number than the amount of annual homicides by gun. The argument that gun murders outweigh gun defense is a defective one. Blodget knows it, which is why he dances his way around so many viable pieces of evidence. He is not interested in the facts, only promoting his own twisted worldview.

Violent crimes (assault, burglary, rape, etc.) have skyrocketed in countries like the U.K. and Australia where stringent gun control has been enacted, simply because criminals know that because of government controls the odds of running into an armed victim are slim. Gun grabbers like Blodget do not care about this, though. They are not actually interested in saving lives. What they are interested in is imposing their ideologies on the rest of us.

If the only drive of anti-gun advocates was a sincere concern for public safety, they would not feel the need to misrepresent the facts and lie outright in order to convince others. Those who use disinformation to their benefit are acting on much darker emotional impulses and biases, like fear and malevolence. Their goal is not to find the truth, but to “win”. Their goal is not to encourage understanding, but to destroy their political enemies.

The most enticing motive for the average yuppie within the gun control society is not their hatred of guns per say, but their hatred of gun culture. Being worshipers of the establishment, they do not like our defiance of socialization, collectivism, and the corrupt state in general. They do not like our methodologies of decentralization and independence. They do not like that we have the ability to crush their skewed arguments with ease. And, they do not like that we have the physical capability of denying their pursuit of power. Gun control is not just a war on guns; it is a war on traditionally conservative Americans, our heritage, our beliefs, and our principles. It is a war the gun grabbers will lose.

 


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Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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The USA TODAY now keeps a front page running tally  on US  "gun deaths" pretty much every day. also-Henry Blodget? and the only thing the police departments keep track of(and routinely # pad) is DUIs so they can get their federal grant $.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment rhinoblitzing
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What was the homicide rate in Venezuala - and what was the law? (or lack of it)

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:44 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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I can't take it much more.
http://youtu.be/AdhXSj-DL1A

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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Hell ya....+1

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:46 | Link to Comment WayBehind
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Thats a long article but whatever the author is saying, I do agree. Molon Labe!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:23 | Link to Comment Titus
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"The USA TODAY now keeps a front page running tally  on US  "gun deaths" pretty much every day."

Thats the same thing montana newspapers did when the speed limit was "safe and reasonable". They never mentioned increased miles traveled or lost revenue from speeding tickets not given. Took a few years to brainwash the public enough so the didnt protest a new statewide speed limit law.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:24 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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In future, USA TODAY is maybe keep running tally on chocolate rations, how decrease is less.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I've posted this before, and will keep doing so in case anyone would like to review a factual, non-emotional and anti-propaganda slide show that effectively and efficiently demonstrates the complete failure of any logic used by those who believe further restrictions on "evil black rifles" or the existing capacity of magazines will have any statistically meaningful impact towards reducing firearm related fatalities:

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

Despite this, the anti-RTKBA agenda crowd will renew their dogmatic, irrational push to try and legislate away the right to purchase & own "assault weapons" and magazines holding more than 10 cartridges of ammunition, they will never want an honest debate on the efficacy of such a piece of legislation, since:

"...of 12,664 murder victims last year, [just] 323 were killed with rifles, according to the F.B.I.’s Uniform Crime Report."

That's correct. 97.5 out of 100 homicide victims last year were killed with handguns, knives, glass bottles, hammers, baseball bats, fists, etc., and not rifles of any kind, let alone "evil, black, assault-y" semiautomatic ones (deaths involving "evil black rifles" probably constituted less than 1/4 of 1% of that total).

I'm quite confident that nearly all the homicides that were perpetrated this weekend in Chicago, land of some of the most restrictive firearm ownership laws -- yet land of an abnormally high homicide rate-- were done so using "low capacity" handguns, tire irons, baseball bats, vehicles, etc., and not rifles of any kind, let alone "assault rifles."

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"...and not rifles of any kind, let alone "assault rifles."

lol...or as bureaucrats call them, when ordering them up on the taxpayers dime...PDW's.

Personal Defense Weapons ;-)

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:25 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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In context, the democide figures should be kept right along the # of murders.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Clearly terrorist propaganda.........

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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USA Today!?!?!?!?

They still waste paper printing that shit?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:51 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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The Obama "mouthpieces" get amply reimbursed!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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The homeless have to sleep under something.

 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment archon
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HL Mencken, one of my favorites, once said, "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule."

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Anonymous peon
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They'll save us to death, if we let them.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Likstane
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Agree with the God given right to protect oneself but lost me at "my uncle shot in the back in Vietnam to protect your right" 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Don't blame the guys uncle for dying a shitty death in a shitty place, trying to defend a bunch of strangers from the evils of communism. Whether or not we belonged there was immaterial to the fact that that man died in service to our country.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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Look how far that got us... Also, I thought we went to Vietnam to secure rubber and test out some wicked chemicals.  And there was a lot of murder. Not too sure about the communism, though.

Anyone who picks up a gun and kills (on THEIR soil) willingly and based on orders from some old people in DC deserves what they get.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Mr. Magniloquent
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Evils of communism or the loss of a French colony? I'm not claiming either is preferable, but don't pretend like the US presence in Vietnam had anything to do with nobility or generousity--or that the conscripts deserve praise for pointing a rifle at strangers when it should have been pointed at their own government.

I sincerely hope, for your sake, that I am merely failing to detect your sarcasm.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Nick Jihad
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I would not be so quick to question the sincerity of people who said the goal was to combat the "evils of communism". After all, look what happened in Cambodia. Communism and genocide are highly correlated.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:33 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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"Whether or not we belonged there was immaterial to the fact that that man THOUGHT HE died in service to our country"

There, fixed that for ya.

Operation Northwoods was a false flag game plan to take over Cuba.  Kennedy nixed it and demoted LL Lemnitzer over it.

Lemnitzer went over to head NATO to implement Operation Gladio - a series of flase flag attacks aimed to keep people in the government box.

Back state side, Kennedy was murdered and Northwoods wen tlive in the Gulf of Tonkin to start the Vietnam War.

It went live during the USS Liberty incident as well.

The military ultimately served the international banking cartel then, just as it does now.

We have to be honest with ourselves because dishonesty in order to feel good doesn't change the truth of reality.

Shadows of Power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gj1uZ6194

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment TorchFire
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That video link shows a man passionate and sincere, but wrong about a couple of things. For one thing, he says "go vote" Voting is for sheep and keeps the game going for the ass clowns that bind us in chains.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Pay Day Today
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The homicide rate in Venuzuela is lower than Detroit, and (roughly) comparable to New Orleans and Newark.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment MrX
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pray for an end to faith: http://vimeo.com/15056028

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Hacked Economy
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Huh?  What was that video all about?  You need a CLEAR point to make if you're going to win anyone to your side of an argument.  Otherwise you just look dumb.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Pray towards heaven; row towards shore.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...in Florida the saying goes, cross my fence and your soul may very well belong to Jesus...but your ass belongs to me ;-)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Lot's of Full Metal Jacket fans I see...

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Gold Dog
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I guess X's point is that if those guys had been strapped there wouild have been a happier outcome.

I would have forGIVEN them after I had ventlated my frustration at their behavior a few times.

At least that what I think he was SHOOTING at.

 

Dog

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment max2205
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Blodget is a felon convicted and banned from securities indus

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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He's also a fucking cunt.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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Those who do not...[know] their history are doomed to...[reenact] it.

 

One of the original criminal S&P-like pumpers of the original worthless CDO-lie ponzis ("Amazon to $1000" tomorrow) is front and center on public media, and few people have any idea of whom they are listening to. 

If you haven't been trading for at least 15 years, you are about to get fucked if you...HAVE a working television...

 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment BidnessMan
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If the USA Today wants some really impressive death numbers, they should publish the number of Medical Error deaths per day. About 18 times as many as gun deaths.  Oddly no one is advocating banning Doctors.  

Plus with ObamaCare looming, lots of Docs will retire to avoid having to deal with ObamaCare.  The Medical Error death rate will get even more impressive.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Mr. Magniloquent
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The gross ineptitudes in medicine are frightening. Once, not too long ago, a hospitalist had dictated that a treadmill-stress test be done on a patient due to symptoms of chest pain. I went to their room to evaluate and brief them before taking them down to the non-invasive lab as I always did. Within three minutes I had discovered that this patient was one broken rib away from a flail chest.

Neither the admitting ER physician nor the Hospitalist whom ordered the exam discovered what a (essentially) a specialized medic had uncovered in the time of a brief, couple minute chat. Two board certified, fully degreed, fully licensed physicians missed this glaring and obvious condition. Get this, the patient's documented reason for going to the ER was flipping over the handled bars of his bicycle. I am not sure which is worse, that until then not one person had bothered to ascultate or palpate--or that they had and discovered nothing.

My time working in hospitals whilst in college is what proved to me that licensing tends to do little aside from providing barrier to entry.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:30 | Link to Comment TorchFire
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Yes yes and yes. + 100

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:29 | Link to Comment 12ToothAssassin
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Amen.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:09 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"I have seen gun grabbers use unbelievable acts of deception that border on clinically sociopathic in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Namely, the use of the words "assault weapons" for purely semi-auto firearms...they're idiots, liars or both.

But I saved this up for anyone interested, fully packed with FACTS instead of fiction.

http://eudaimoniabygrace.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/a-few-thoughts-on-gun-control/

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While we're at it...the list of companies who stand with us...

"The list of companies that have stopped selling firearms and ammunition to law enforcement agencies in states that are restricting the Second Amendment has more than doubled since Wednesday and is more than five times larger than just one week ago. There are 44 companies on our list, with more being added as we receive notification. Here are the additions since Wednesday:

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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The Police Loophole website currently lists 118 companies restricting sales to gubbermint goons: http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Excellent!!!...thanks for the update Ms.E.

I hadn't been keeping track of it, I just noticed it absolutely exploded from "first responders" York & Barrett and a few others when New York state/Cuomo jumped the shark.

For the few suppliers left to government, I wonder what happens when they say we can't meet government orders due to civilian demand.

Hey, it could happen, its a question of patriotism ;-)

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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Problem is that the few remaining suppliers are the biggest - Colt, S&W, Sig, Glock, Remington, Springfield, etc., and (iirc) gubbermint contracts are required to be filled first as a condition of the contract. I'm reasonably sure these companies have a larger commitment to garnering fiat than to the principles of the Republic, and that none of them want to become an 'example' of DHS/ATF/IRS anal probing and/or gubbermint takeover.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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We all need to start putting pressure on these big companies to stop selling to these rogue state governments. I don't plan on buying a firearm from any company that doesn't forswear supporting these unconstitutional regimes.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:36 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Don't buy UAW vehicles either. They put the statist freaks over the top.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yes, I discarded S&W and Colt as brands I would buy many moons ago for exactly that reason...they folded under the last assault on our liberty...same reason Heinz or Sara Lee or Tyson aren't allowed in my house.

I don't suffer fools and traitors lightly.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 09:08 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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I wouldn't let Mike Tyson in my house either. After his appearance in The Hangover he was approached about restarting his boxing career to which he replied "Keep talkin', I'm all ears!"...;)

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 05:12 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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It is a good bet that Biggest Finance Capital, the ultimate tyrant that is controlling government and every other major societal establishment, also has ownership / financing control over the big arms manufacturers as well.

The traffic was horrendous at the local gun show - it was reminiscent of the county fair.

Buy local, buy small and use cash to deprive the banks of their 2-3% fees they charge the local suppliers as a credit card fee.

If the nation just did that, we'd knock these punks down hard.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment oldschool
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Good points, and a useful link.  Thanks.

In any given assault, there is also a defender.  What is he or she to be armed with?  

I tend to view my semi-autos as primarily anti-assault weapons.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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A brain.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment nmewn
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In how to harness pressure, motion, waves, gravity, percentages of organic compounds or just propaganda?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:58 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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el oh el

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment nmewn
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HNO3!!!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Oratory and overpressure...preferably in that order. ;)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...I think everyones past pontificating now...its closer to concussive now.

Watch where you step and the doors you open, you never know ;-)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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At the risk of stating the obvious:  Constitution-loving Patriots know whose business to support.  Right?

Thx for expandig my list of vendors to support.  And which ones to avoid.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 10:03 | Link to Comment 918pigpen
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Nunc Pro Tunc

Burn Barrels and Blessings

Survivalblog.com

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:30 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Debt Pecker.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment rhinoblitzing
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Gun Control, Gay Rights, and Illegal Immigration - both are Hot Button distractions. (Abortion is passe and retired)

Obama has wasted valuable time and capital on these divisive topics. Instead of working with Congress to tackle the real issues of Tax and Entitlement reform and getting out of the way of job creation - he squanders valuiable time and revels in the great wide divide he creates.

The great divider. What's that saying -  something about united we stand...

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Boondocker
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its about control.  and it is hard to control people who have the ability to resist.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment XitSam
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And they don't care if they lie as long as they get their way. The end justifies the means.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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Every gun lover I know also has a very strong hatred of Obama, so this is really more than just about guns.....

Obama is even more polarizing than Bush, which is quite a feat....

                I can't wait to see this unfold.

 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Dude - I and probably most gun owners, are not gun "lovers."  I am a freedom lover and sadly freedom is pretty much gone.  A gun is a tool.  It is the last insurance policy against tyranny.  The USA no longer has real elections - it is a police state with drones ready to kill gun owners.

Bush sucked and after Poppy Bush it has been down him at light speed.  Obummer is exponentially worse than Bush by a factor of 100X.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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Dude, would you feel better about.... Gun enthusiast

And no we love guns. Not sure where you hang your hat but people around my part LOVE GUNS.

Before you get carried away I will tell you I don't like TV and Hollwood either, before you school me on that also.

Thanks Dude.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment Freddie
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+1 Dude.

Maybe you are right.  I love anything that can be used to stop tyrants from running all over us.  It is the only thing they fear now.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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We got your back......

They act like they're just going to roll over everybody.

                Obama has fucked up everything he's touched.....

                Why would this be any different?

 

 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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“They” Divide and Conquer.

“We” Buy Silver and Gold and Lock and Load.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:47 | Link to Comment rhinoblitzing
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If I had a bottle of Jack for every post endorsing gold and lead...

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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You would be more rich than you could imagine! 

If I had a bottle of Jack for every MSM report on gun violence and the health of the economy I'd be even richer!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:01 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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I DO buy a bottle every time someone sez 'gold and lead'! It reminds me to stock up on tradeables....though being a snob I buy Remy Martin (though being a regular guy too I buy it at Sams.)

The end is near.........stock up for the big show.....

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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You could take some profits and buy some gold! ;)

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment archon
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To say that Obama has "wasted valuable time" implies that he's doing something other than what he intends to do.  He's used his time very effectively, and is accomplishing exactly what he intends to accomplish.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment rhinoblitzing
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Agreed - but I would say " obama is accomplishing exactly what THEY intend to accomplish" (fixed 4 ya)

Obama and  the others Reid, Pelosi, are not that smart - take away thier teleprompters and prepared notes and they are just actors - hence their ties to Hollywood - they get the best acting lessons... The less that Obama actually does - the more he accomplishes what they want.

Notice the dismantlement of the military 1 by 1; general by general (by scandal),  and private by private (by sexual herassment).

I'm expecting Lindsey and Issa to file impeachment any day now. Notice that it took Holder 4 tries to answer the simple question -

Does Rand Paul and the opposition have evidence of US citizens being executed without due process?

Breitbart maybe?

 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:28 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Pelosi is an evil idiot from a mobster family in Baltimore.

You really think they will file impeachment? I hope you are right.  Lame Cheery site after the election said they had all the info on Benghazi and that McCain had at least Feinstein on the Dem side and they were planning to impeach.  I think they might pick up a few more Dems in the Senate but the scum evil media/TV and Hollywood still love O.  He deserves to be impeached far more than Clinton or Nixon ever deserved it.

I am sure US Citizens have been killed with due process but if they are in islamic countries involved with jihadists - no one will care.  Hell - Reno and Hillary burned men, women and children alive and no one care.  Happened in Gov. Bush's Texas and he did not do shit to stop it.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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That nose on Dear Leader is not nearly long enough!

So many lies to tell... so little time.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment espirit
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Molon Labe.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Be careful what you wish for.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment nmewn
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So you're saying government really is scared of its armed, law abiding citizens...so much so, that it would make having arms unregistered & unlicensed a crime against the state?

Seems rather paranoid.

One could suppose then its final gasp of psychosis will be when it disarms its last lonely praetorian guard...leaving itself, quite defenseless...lol.

Fitting.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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No, they're not...any more than they were "scared" of Iraq; if they had been, they might've listened to Shinseki when he was talking sense.

I know you guys think your peashooters are all that, but as Waco proved, you ain't got nothin' on the 800lb gorilla.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:15 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Your plan is to crawl into a fetal position a suck your thumb and wait for the smoke & flames to consume you?

If anything, what Waco did is expose what you're up against and you should be happy they revealed it early...but hey, free country right?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:02 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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"you ain't got nothin' on the 800lb gorilla."

 

Robotrader, is that you?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:27 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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The principles of The Art of War have not changed:  1.  Know thyself (strengths, weaknesses, blind spots).  2. Know thy enemy. 

No one has any illusions or pretenses about the Gorilla (I hope, or they won't have them for long), but things are and can be made more complicated very fast.  Otherwise slaves would still be building pyramids, instead of running pyramid schemes.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Abiotic Oil
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The Davidians actually held their own, due to having firearms. It all fell apart when the Feds decided to burn them out.

During the initial raid, granny was rockin' a mini 14, putting rounds through the front door into agents after they started randomly shooting through said door just like the Joe Biden School of Tactical Awesomeness™ recommends.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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The plain truth is that the 2nd Amendment was put in place to give Americans the ability to kill government thugs, whether they be our government thugs or another country's government thugs.

It had nothing to do with hunting or even defending one's home against a burglar. It was all about being able to fight back when a government oversteps its bounds.

If this makes some people uncomfortable, so be it. I'd rather have some people feel uncomfortable than allow ourselves to be trampled by statists.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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And the people that want to take away your ability to defend yourself from government thugs completely understand this and that is why they want to take away your ability to defend yourself.

They like unarmed victims.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Drones + NDAA + DHS ammo stockpile + DHS mine resistant armored vehicles + blackhawk helicopters doing training maneuvers over American cities...

 

+ GUN CONTROL???


Call me paranoid, but I just don't see that adding up to anything good.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:15 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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It's for our own good. My TV said so............

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:35 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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It's also for the children.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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at least the world economy is awesome -- and stable!  </super-sarc>

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Freddie
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F TV and F Hollywood.  They support all of this and they fully support O.  Your viewership supports them.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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"But mah tawk ray-dee-ooo spakes thah trooooth!" - Fredday

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Hey dumbass - I stopped listening to talk radio after 2012. Limbaugh and the rest were cowards for not pointing out the massive voter fraud in the cities.  They claimed that voters stayed home which was BS.  Yeah Romney sucked but the alternative is much worse.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:49 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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It's is unconstitutional to require a picture iD to vote...an undue burden on a constitutional right the men n black say, but it is strictly illegal to bear arms outside the home in california fr example. No open carry anymore, can't get a concealed carry, essentially. The statists are winning still. A one way ratchet.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"Drones + NDAA + DHS ammo stockpile + DHS mine resistant armored vehicles + blackhawk helicopters doing training maneuvers over American cities..."

Not to quibble, but you left out the "Patriot" act.

I no longer have any patience for anyone who cannot connect those dots.  No more conversation.  No more discussion.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Edelweiss
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At some point, conversation and debate are pointless.  I've learned that if someone remains unconvinced, you only alienate them.  The "dots" have to be connected (or remain unconnected) by each individual.  As for gun control, the 2nd amendment could be eliminated tomorrow, and I would still have the conviction that we retain the right to own effective means (AR's, etc.) to protect ourselves.  No argument would change my mind on that. 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Whatever helps you sleep at night, precious, but your ARs will be useless against all but the least capable aggressors.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment Edelweiss
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Thanks for your heartfelt concern in this matter. You sir have convinced me! From now on I will leave my safety and well being completely in the hands of .gov.  What was I thinking?  Taking responsibility for my own protection?  Thank god you brought me to my senses.  On a serious note, no one gives a shit about what you think. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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If you'd rather feel safe, than be safe, so be it.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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You ever shot a AR-15?

Pretty impressive

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:37 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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At the end of the day, the Constitution is only as valid and strong as the people upholding it (in policies and practices), and those defending it (in deed).

Every so many generations the defense of the Constitution must be renewed with the blood of Patriots and the blood of Treasonous Traitors. 

No one wants to start that such a renewal -- not even Patriots -- but for the sake of our children and theirs, we may be asked to pursue and finish it, when the Tyrants' claims & deeds become too egregious.

Whoever said that freedom is earned by the sword/gun, was right.  Which is why the tyrants want to deny the masses their capacity to wage Freedom.  Their capacity to hunt... comes later.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment negative rates
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I think it was more intended to settle and clear the land of the Indians. Who were so indebted from white lightning they could only forfit the land in repayment. And even then it cost $3 million to do so in addition to @$15 million paid for the louisana purchase. That's what lead to the trail of tears. Once the land was settled and the west grew up, there really is no need for guns beyond protecting yourself from wild animals.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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Umm... yeah - the two-leggeed kind of wild animals that shoot first, usually affiliated with a criminal organization.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment espirit
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Statist CONgressCritters?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Umm, no. You have either not enough faith in the Lord, or are doomed to follow the same ones you despise to the river of denile. And we know where the river eventually drains.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:47 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Somehow I get the feeling that when you say Lord, you mean Obama.........

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Confirmed idiot.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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I think I'll leave judgment as to the state of my soul to someone infinitely more qualified than you, put my faith in God, and my earthly trust in Sig Sauer and Smith & Wesson.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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That's not faith.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:48 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Once the land was settled and the west grew up, there really is no need for guns beyond protecting yourself from wild animals."

Yes right, wild animals. Tell that to Melinda Herman, her husband abd their kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkL2azUylwA

I have no idea what a 36 caliber handgun is, Georgie...lol...but anyways...

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Just be careful not to wear a hoodie in Florida.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:21 | Link to Comment BidnessMan
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If you are a useless thug in a hoodie in Florida attempting to murder someone, agree that you do need to be careful to assault someone who does not have a gun. But intelligence does not often seem to be found in a thug in a hoodie.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Looking forward to you registering your patent for that "thug detector", sub-genius.

I'm particularly frightened by white guys in suits...fair warning.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Agent 440
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Right. The statists are quivering in fear. Who are you kidding?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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If they're so fearless, why do they want to take away people's guns?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment Agent 440
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It's give the GOP somewhere to run. It's a political 'Golden bridge', c.f. Sun Tzu.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment PubliusTacitus
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John McCains arms can't run.

 

LOL run.  LMAO GOP

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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There's no doubt that the GOP needs issues as they are nearly finished.  But lets face the facts: the battle for the 2nd amendment has been fought without them.  So who cares what they think.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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Not correct. I know one of our Senators has been fighting hot and heavy since his election. Ted Cruz R-TX I have watched him in 3 open forums hammer the gun grabbers with facts and stats. Controlled the arguement from front to back.

 

Are others needed? Yes, but where are the Democrats on preserving the 2nd admendment?

 

>>>>Crickets<<<<<

 

I agree that this is not a red or blue issue as shouldn't the drone issue either.

 

>>>>>Crickets<<<<<< On both

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Yes, if you make your requirements completely unreasonable, it will be difficult to find support outside your echo chamber, but do continue to complain bitterly about how you've marginalized yourself through extremism and an inability to find any compromise.

 

 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:31 | Link to Comment BidnessMan
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Ah yes - "Compromise". Which is liberal speak for bend over and do it my way. If we could all just agree on a teensy-weensy little bit of gun control now, we pinky swear we won't ask for any more. Yeah right. Anyone with a brain can recognize the first step of a slippery slope.

Hitler promised that after Czechoslovakia there would be no more, and that naive douchebag Chamberlain bought it. Disgraced forever, as he should have been. Don't be a douchebag too.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Bullshit. I just recognize that frightening the shit out of people that are already fear-mongered out of their wits is an ineffective means of advocating for gun rights.

Acting like a nut is no way to combat being characterized as a nut.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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Compromise? Like in 94'? You grubby little gun grabbers compromised a lie in 94'. How did that work out for you? Almost as good as NAFTA eh? Or how your saviour, OboMao has "Compromised" on prosecuting outright fraud in the banking sector? One more, or how Chicago has "Compromised" on Gun Control to curb crime? Ah fuck one more, How OboMao has "Compromised" on the national debt to keep it under control? Ah shit another, OboMao Care..........."Compromise Bitcheez!"

You gun grabbing idiots are so exposed with your foolish Alinsky tactics, it is sickening. I think I will just continue to "bitterly cling to my guns and religion." LMFAO. That forked tongue cocksucker didn't fool me then, and is fooling at lot less people now.   

I say we need to "Compromise" the gun grabbers right to free speech. Maybe we should "Compromise" on droning, like only drone on Odd number day's.I got it, only drone gun grabbers for they hate the Constitution! Odd days, only gun grabbers, there see it was easy, we Compromised nutsack.

 

 

>>>>>Don't drone me bro.<<<<  The nut sack "Compromised" Gun Grabber went that way>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

>>>>>Crickets<<<<<

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Mike7.62
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It's not about shooting deer, it's about shooting tyrants.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Actually, it's about both, and has been since the Laws of Canut and the Magna Carta.

Read a fucking book, yahoo.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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you're all over this like stank on shiat, aintcha boy

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Woohooo...5 morons ignorant of their history and counting!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:51 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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Something tells me you don't care for guns?

I can feel it.....

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Not true. I don't actually support gun control, but only because I know it's pointless to attempt to legislate morality or rationality.

There's nothing wrong with understanding the history that established the principles leading to the inclusion of the 2nd amendment in the constitution though.

Laughing my ass off at the down arrows from frothy-mouthed fools who think these rights dropped out of the sky.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Gohn Galt
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I thought the 2nd amendment was in place to kill off native Americans.  Now that those numbers have gone down it is the American Citizens turn.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Native Americans were killed off by the state, not individual Americans armed with guns.  You are an idiot.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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I'm pretty sure both gave their lumps.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment DirkDiggler11
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The white man's "Fire-Water" has been the death of the Native American People...

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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A nice figure of speech and popular on a liberal arts campus, but technically that's not correct.  What did kill them though, were things like infected blankets that the British Red Coats so generously provided.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Forced relocation to wastelands didn't help either.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:04 | Link to Comment PubliusTacitus
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yep

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Xibalba
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Why worry about guns when you have drones?  I'll never understand this stupid farce.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Because infringing on the 2nd amendment and the 4th/5th are completely seperate issues.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:18 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Irony: Brennan was apparently sworn in as CIA director on an original draft of the Constitution that lacked the Bill of Rights.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/brennan-takes-oath-constitution-witho...

It's hard to tell whether these people are evil or just idiots.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:45 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I'll go with evil.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Doesn't make much difference at this point since either option is dangerous as hell when it comes to government.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:42 | Link to Comment XitSam
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That's fine. Rights are not granted by government or the Constitution. The Constitution does not say that Congress may limit the right to keep and bear arms as one of the enumerated powers, therefore they cannot.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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That means: No freedom of speech and of the press, no right to bear arms, no Fourth Amendment ban on “unreasonable searches and seizures,” and no right to a jury trial.

When it comes to the Bill of Rights, their attitude & motto might as well be:  Molon labe.   Great! /sarc

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment PrintemDano
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How many drones do they have?  How many qualified drone operators do they have?  How many guns are owned by American citizens.   Understand this "stupid farce" a little better now?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:48 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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Me thinks "operators" there just temporary. Decisions r already made by some Frankenstein-db . "Signature strikes" on US- soil soon . Dione Dreckstein will pronounce collateral damages as "insignificant" or "a minor issue of a succesfull law inforcement software " ...  Who cares .

NDAA gives  DHS  every fuckin' "right" to cull the sheeple. It's gone too far, no way back ... 2 Bn. pieces hollow body bullets r serious investment .

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:36 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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Perhaps the best way to win an argument is to start out with a list of personal attacks and insults about the "other side."

Meanwhile, folks doing their best to protect our kids demonstrate the idiocy surrounding every aspect of this issue:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/07/district-suspends-police-in-school...

How does a COP "accidentally discharge" a fucking GLOCK?  Derp derp.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment worbsid
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"How does a COP "accidentally discharge" a fucking GLOCK? Derp derp."

He got his booger hook on the bang switch.  It's the same every time. "Geeze, the gun just went off."

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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I forgot how much Rawstory sucked.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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I agree in general, but I used to live up there.  The problem in this case isn't the reporting...it's the fuckin' subject being covered.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I rarely give a little credit to a liberal douche but this did make some sense.

http://dailybail.com/home/bill-maher-on-guns-and-civil-liberties-in-america.html

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:46 | Link to Comment secret_sam
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That is EXACTLY what I thought when I heard that shit.  I hate Maher, but he knocked it out of the park with that.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Rainman
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From crazy people to guns to climate to big gulps , these nutty ass liberal idealogues believe they can control everybody and everything. Never, ever should they be given power.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:57 | Link to Comment Agent 440
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They are controling everybody and everything. They're not losing sleep over the 2nd Amendment. It's an anachronism. It's a fetish. And because it's useless the GOP will stand solidly behind it. For the GOP the 2nd Amendment means they can compromise on every other liberty and every other issue. Whatever else the GOP surrenders on, it can always claim it protected your 2nd Amendment right.

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