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If You're An Austrian Woman, Move To Italy

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We know that core and periphery are struggling under the same monetary policy sun as divergences grow wider. We also know that even in the core, the Franco-German divide continues to gape. However, for a 'union' that continues to promote itself as the utopian solution for 27 nations across Europe, it seems there is an even bigger chasm - the gender pay gap. On International Women's Day, Bloomberg's Niraj Shah notes that women earn on average 16% per hour less than men with Estonia (27% gap) and Austria (24%) at the worst end of the spectrum and Italy (6%) and Slovenia (2%) at the most equitable end. And finally, even with a woman running the show, Germany's gender-pay-gap is a surprising 22%.



Source: Bloomberg


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Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:13 | 3313772 Irelevant
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Bambina make good pay in Italia...

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:16 | 3313779 flacon
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Why is the title of this article about "Austrian" women and not "Estonian" women?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:18 | 3313786 hooligan2009
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highest proportion of blondes in europe! not all fugly either!

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:22 | 3313795 magpie
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And why isn't the Estonian woman moving to Slovenia, like all of the others should

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:47 | 3313841 lineskis
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@flacon: Because they just have to cross the border?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3313957 flacon
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Estonia is five countries away from Austria and about a distance of 1,600 Km. Regardless, if you look at the chart above, the top most country is Estonia, not Austria, which is why I was curious as to why the title of the article talks about Austria and not Estonia. 


Google Maps:

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:58 | 3314355 Rubicon
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Austria and Italy border each other. Get it?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 09:33 | 3314602 kaiserhoff
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Different day, same old Marxist man hating shit.

How about a few articles about the fat, lazy, bitches who never work, and sit on their asses spending hubby's money or duh gubbermint checks? 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3313959 Angus McHugepenis
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Vaginas don't recognize borders...

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:18 | 3314014 TBT or not TBT
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Kinder, kirche, kueche, bitches!

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:21 | 3314023 magpie
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actually Kinder, Kirche, Küche, Kleider

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 07:16 | 3314488 Henry Hub
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Keep'm pregnant in the summer and barefoot in the winter.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 01:09 | 3314288 daxtonbrown
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Estonia, here I come!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:47 | 3314447 Gavrikon
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And an excellent idea that would be.  But if you are going there for a sex vacation, I will be looking for you to give you some Dexter treatment.  If you are going there to find a decent gal who will be worth your effort, then I wish you all the happiness that you will find, and it will be considerable.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 09:45 | 3314619 kaiserhoff
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A friend married a Latvian girl.  Warm, smart, good natured, and drop dead beautiful.

Interesting part of the world.  Lovely girls in Poland, of all places, which was for a long time an extension of Germany going back to the Prussian days.  Happy hunting.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 00:35 | 3316331 FecundaGoat
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Here I Cum?

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:17 | 3313781 hooligan2009
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you do realize that the equivalent could be drawn for the USA? one big thing going for the loose federation of european states is that it has transparent data.

i doubt veyr much that 2 x 300 million population samples are all that different, excpet there is more loose rubble in europe that goes for a torusit attraction.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:55 | 3313955 psychobilly
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you do realize that the equivalent could be drawn for the USA?

You do realize that the gender pay gap in the USA is a myth?  When you consider all factors (i.e., type of degree, type of work, years experience, number of hours worked per week, time off for paternity and sick leave, etc.), the "gap" vanishes.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:48 | 3314448 Gavrikon
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Exactly.  Same thing here in Germany.  I wish the libtards/fembots would just shut the fuck up.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:23 | 3315829 Curiously_Crazy
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Spot on.


Btw I tried to up arrow you but the system wasn't acknowleging it (though it did for the one below yours). Anyway +1



Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:23 | 3313797 Yen Cross
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    A beautiful blonde blue eyed Austrian woman would last about 3 seconds in Italy. I guess she could live in the(north) wine country and hand out samplers.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:21 | 3314019 TBT or not TBT
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In Sud Tirol (Italy) she could be right at home, native stock.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:57 | 3314350 e-recep
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i don't want to picture how she would fare in sicily.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:24 | 3313800 Theos
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what a fucking stupid chart design

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:42 | 3315654 RudeBoy
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Probably designed by a woman, hahaha!

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:28 | 3313805 SmittyinLA
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so shittier pay and more 3rd world competition is "more" equitable? 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:16 | 3314010 TBT or not TBT
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Bingo. Look at venezuela's fantastic progress in pay equity.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:59 | 3314356 e-recep
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lol, you killed the whole article.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:49 | 3314450 Gavrikon
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It fucking well DESERVED to die!

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:33 | 3313816 SmittyinLA
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Percapita GDP

Austria $42196

Italy $32647


The more competition for labor the lower the "spread" between men & women. 

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:36 | 3313821 trichotil
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feminism: from the same folks who brought you joobucks.



Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:59 | 3314085 GMadScientist
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Keep playing with that "gun", slick.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 23:37 | 3314157 Manipuflation
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Thanks for the link.  Interesting approach to style and content.  Nuance is good sometimes also.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 20:45 | 3313837 Stuck on Zero
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Free market economies pay people what they are worth.


Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:12 | 3313897 dog breath
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Totally agree!

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:37 | 3313946 Totentänzerlied
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"Free market economies"

Still waiting to see one...

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:22 | 3313921 LeisureSmith
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If You're An Estonian Woman, Move To Slovenia. If money is your main goal in life, make war, sell drugs and traffic people...then go in to banking and do step 1,2 and 3 for Real'z.


Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:38 | 3313947 Mr.Sono
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They are welcome to move to my house, I can print as much money as they want. Scanner and printer is a wonderful thing.

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 21:56 | 3313979 QQQBall
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Men are easier to work with

Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:57 | 3314079 GMadScientist
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Fri, 03/08/2013 - 22:58 | 3314084 GMadScientist
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How much of this is down to the kinds of jobs available to women in those countries. I'd wager the percentage of women employed in Estonia and Austria is lower too and that this entire statistical anomaly is reflected by the few women in those countries being employed in retail instead of higher paying salary gigs.


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:15 | 3314365 SheHunter
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Agree.  Keep us barefoot and hungry and we will be more willing to marry, create a home base for the working men and produce the children needed to assure continued strength of our society/culture. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 06:11 | 3314457 Peterus
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Barefoot and hungry?

Not only patriarchy is dead today, but you have it confused even in the past. The same way you could say that men in patriarchy are expendable tools that endure hardships and even sacrifice for comfort of their wives and daughters. This was awful system for both roles - but was effective in survival. It's better for 50% of men to die in a small tribe if this is what it takes. If 50% of women died it's breeding level would drop to a half and if they were already small enough - they'd die out. So it's all the risks and hardships to men who are biologically more suited for this, but all the burdens of childrearing and support to woment who are biologically needed for this. Though, this is all in the past now.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:54 | 3314382 blackscorpi
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GMAd, you are correct. most women work in retail here. the percentage in white collar industrial jobs would probably be 20% female 80% male if ever.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 00:45 | 3314223 Kirk2NCC1701
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What you suggest is a 'Heidi' solution. 

No, Schatzi, you move to Austria's former province:  Slovenia.  Where they speak fluent German and English, and still idolize the Austrians.  Not so much in Italy.  That way you're likely to move up higher, faster.  And get paid real money.  Or marry a Trump.  That's how a real harpsichord Hapsburger thinks: strategic positioning and leveraging. 

You've got to decide if you're a Heidi or a Hapsburg.  It's how Austrian Fraueleins think: become a more comfortable Buerger (citizen), or marry up.  Hint:  the choice is largely driven by the genes (body & looks) you got.  They are practical that way.  Practical and strategic.  German chicks are less mercenary that way.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:51 | 3314378 blackscorpi
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eh....kirk. your post reads like a textbook on alpine lifestyle in the 50s :D

the Slovenes do NOT idolize Austrians, they don't like us very much on a general basis...but then they don't seem to like the Croatians and Hungarians any more hehe. it's true that they pay the same wages to men and women there, but the average wage in Slovenia is max. $1000/month.


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:44 | 3314445 Gavrikon
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What most German chicks are that I see is unattractive, and they work at it.  Many get up in the morning and (maybe) run a brush theough their hair before heading for work on the train, while maybe chugging down a croissant on the ride in.  It appears to me that many, too, look in the mirror in the morning, and ask themselves, "How can I make myself LESS attractive, today?"  That, before they throw on some blue or orange hair-dye on a bull-dyke looking hair style.  If you knew they number of German men I know who married foreigners, you might be shocked.  And the Swiss misses are nearly as awful.  Something to do with smoking and spending lots of time in the mountains that ages them fast.  Couple it with a fminist-entitlement mindset, and I'd take a Slovian or Estonian (yum) "chick" over any of the spoiled local "beauties."

Of course, there are exceptions, and some German girls are attractive.  Still, I'd question how beautiful any of them are on the inside.  Case-in-point, the coal-buring Heidi Klum.  (Yuck)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 12:32 | 3314893 Bam_Man
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My thoughts exactly while living in Germany many years ago. I was amazed that German women seemed to be either ghastly looking or drop-dead gorgeous - with the overwhelming vast majority of course falling into the first category. Very few were in the middle between the two. Sounds like it's still that way.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 02:10 | 3314333 dunce
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Merkel is from East Germany and lived under forced equality. As for the gap today in a united Germany, it is not surprising to one who has lived there for a few years. Paternalism is the culture.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:09 | 3314360 SheHunter
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The government and the churches' muscle pushing women into the continuing role of wife and mother.  Make it difficult to make it on her own and she will merge with another, form a family unit, drop from the work force, allow jobs to go to the men in her society, create the young every society needs to care for their old. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:27 | 3314371 Poor Grogman
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How come the same thing happened in hunter gatherer societies with no government OR church?

Its more or less universal in fact (for those still in denial).

Some things happen the way nature intended no matter if we like it or not.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:45 | 3314440 Gavrikon
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Sorry to disagree with you, but the current plan (lie) to support our pension system is the importation of third-worlders, who, in reality cost far more than they produce.

And, the low wages and high taxes make it nearly impossible for anyone to live while not in a family, i.e., lower tax situation.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 06:01 | 3314455 Peterus
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I don't know what country you live in, mine is Poland and it is not progressive at all. In fact it would be backward for a lot of western Europe. And here government pushes women into role of taxpayer.

Anyway the hardest obstacle to egalitarian society is in fact female attraction. Guy that on his own would decide to stop working (or do minor part-time jobs only) and take care of children would be like a girl that would decide to get fat and ugly... Even if both parters would agree to this, buy the intellectual side of it ... it's one hell of a problem to get over emotional part. There is a lot of guys (though maybe not majority) that would be glad to drop 15 years of thier career for supporting thier wife and cloes contact with kids. But how can they do it when the look in her eyes reveals how low she rates him now that he lost all power and utility?

And in a relationship where both parties are hell bent on career there is simply no place for kids. So, the roadmap to egalitarianism is either no reproduction, or choosing partners that will take the supporting role and not looking down on them for it.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:09 | 3314361 Byte Me
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Germany is run by a woman??

What did I miss...?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:19 | 3314366 SheHunter
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Have you looked at yourself in the mirror recently?  Perhaps we women chuckle to ourselves at your preconceived notion you are indeed a 'man'.  Touche.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 03:46 | 3314376 Byte Me
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I'm not so narcissistic as to need constant "mirror reassurance" as some seem to do. Were you unable to detect the gentle humour in my comment?

Or are you such a raving Fem that even the hint of sexism offends?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 10:41 | 3314710 SheHunter
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Oh Byte me!  The mirror comment was said tongue in cheek.  And the term fem is soooo passe! 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:33 | 3314435 Gavrikon
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Frau Merkel runs nothing.  She follows orders from Brussels whilst PRETENDING to stand up for the rights (and pocketbooks) of normal Germans.  I'd say, "Fuck Her", but I wouldn't wish her nasty ass on my worst enemy.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 04:00 | 3314385 Rehab Willie
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Utopia for Brussels, dystopia for everyone else.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 04:56 | 3314423 Volaille de Bresse
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"And finally, even with a woman running the show, Germany's gender-pay-gap is a surprising 22%"


Surprising? Not really, mini-jobs were designed for women...

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:32 | 3314433 Gavrikon
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Funny, I thought they were designed to disguise the much higher than reported unemploymnt rates.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:30 | 3314432 Gavrikon
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Women in Germany earn approximately the same as men do in the same positions.  One large difference is the number of men out on the raod freelancing, (and thereby earning quite a bit more than Festangestellter).  It is mostly men who sacrifice their time at home with their families trying to earn a decent living for them by staying out on the road, consulting, programming, etc.  German women (if they even have children) tend to stay closer to home.  Some sort of nesting instinct, I'd imagine.  I don't begrudge them the lives they perfer to live, nor do I begrudge the men who are doing everything humanly possible to keep up with the ever increasing confiscatory demands of the Finanzamt, to support the shithole Bankers who stupidly loaned billions to the PIIGS, as well as the third-world parasites from Turkey, Africa, Pakistan, etc., who are living here on the taxpayers labor.

Now fuck off and die, you know-nothing piece of shit feminazi communist shitheel chart makers!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:48 | 3314449 Peterus
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This is where the "wage gap" really is. Different choices that lead to doing cooler jobs (librarian will earn less than waste disposal - but get more direct satisfaction), close to home, for very limited hours and with large gaps in career cause it. Check out "Why Men Earn More 1 - The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap" on youtube it goes over this in some more detail. Though even if you base your post on personal observation you're totaly correct.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 05:45 | 3314446 ribbons
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Estonia wins any chart with its 320 euro minimum wage though

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 06:01 | 3314456 DeliciousSteak
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I'd like to know how they come up with these statistics? Because I've read a Finnish wage researcher who has a couple of decades studying this under his belt, and he shoots down the "wage inequality" completely. The reason why women earn less is because they simply work less hours than men. They choose to work shorter days, they choose more part time positions etc. When you adjust the hours worked, the women get the same wage as the men. These statistics are then presented as women earning less for the same job.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 07:44 | 3314502 egoist
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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:28 | 3315000 Jena
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Perhaps things are different overseas (and I realize that's what this article is about) but I'm so tired of the false articles about pay inequality between men and women in the U.S.  There are so many things that aren't factored in: types of jobs, hours worked, categories of jobs if the workers are indeed in the same field, advanced degrees or certifications that affect salary and more.  But the press and government lackeys latch onto the inequality like it is the Holy Grail and for the most part it just isn't true.  (Yes, in the rare occasion that it is, it ought to be redressed.)

The Women's Movement may have addressed some wrongs and had some noble intentions but it got hijacked along the way.  These days it is sad to see the effects on the family, on the individual and on the way men and women view each other with suspicion.

A little OT but here goes:  For the record, if any man opens a door for me I say thank you and I mean it.  I'm appalled when I hear some woman upbbraiding some poor guy for doing what he was raised to do.  And it just goes on from there, as ZH comments occasionally show.

Manners and courtesy never go out of style and I hope they don't just because of irate, foolish and pissed-off women and the reactions of men who have borne the brunt.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:13 | 3316029 Curiously_Crazy
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Well put. But to continue on from one point you made

"..But the press and government lackeys latch onto the inequality like it is the Holy Grail and for the most part it just isn't true.  (Yes, in the rare occasion that it is, it ought to be redressed.)"

I'd just like to add that the inequality issues are always showing women to get the short end of the stick no matter what. Some examples off the top of my head: 

1. The womans choice to work or to raise a child/stay at home mum. This one is particularly discouraging for me because embarrassing as it is to say, I've broken up with my two last girlfriends over just this; in both cases I made it clear I think the best way to bring up a kid is to have inputs from both parents - ie both work part time and both look after the house and child part time. This gives both parties the joys of seeing certain 'first events' as baby grows but also gives both parties time to socialise with others and not go mad from having no real adult conversation for most of the day.

They agreed initially yet 18 months to 2 years down the track all of a sudden it became "I want to stay at home with the baby".... ummmm *what*?  Just like that? two years of agreement and it's all out the window all of a sudden? What about my feelings as a man - would society allow me to all of a sudden say "sorry babe but I've decided I want to be a house husband and be a homemaker". 


2. We constantly hear about the so called victimisation in the portrayal of women in kids films as beautiful princesses or cute fairies and pixies. When was the last time you saw a tv segment or even heard anyone talking about who these princesses go for; strong strapping young lads that are either extremely wealthy, royalty or both. The dashing athletic charmer who will do anything to look after his lady.


3. Violence against women. All violence is wrong *period*. Why is it considered ok for a 6'2 football jock when confronted/provoked by a male who is considerably smaller than them to kick the crap outta them. Yet if that same footballer were to kick the shit out of a similar sized woman (or these days even just have her a hard slap) there would be a dozen tosspots come in, stop it straight away, and then abuse the footballer with every name under the sun and maybe even start bashing *him*.


4. All men are bastards: sorry girls, but you are the ones chosing these bastards. A few of my friends are the most genuine blokes you would ever meet yet haven't had a girlfriend in years. yeah yeah - I know - they probably aren't 'exiting' or daring or forcefull enough; whether they are or aren't is irrelevant - I can understand why those traits are attractive for sure, but they should be secondary and not primary. If you're looking for a jerk a jerk is who you will get and if that's what gets you off then fine. But don't then get on your highhorse tarnish the countless other guys you never gave a second glance.


5.  Men are only after one thing: No, we're not. Some are and some aren't - it's called having differences; similarly some woman are and some aren't too. I'm not exactly anything special but when out and about even I occationally get my bum pinched or slapped and yes havennoticed those quick downward glaces with an angle directly to my package.


There are lots more but you get the gist. On a final note, we have to lift the bloody lid all the time so the least you can do is put it down - It's not rocket science..... plus it's equality and all that right ;)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:02 | 3315422 Archduke
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that's nonsense.

pure rubbish.



These stats are comparative - as in: of the women who are in the workforce...

Fact is there are are fewer women in the workforce in ultra conservative Italy.

It's not about the gender *pay* gap, but about the gender *employment* gap:


and if you had any more doubts about italy's retrograde cultural attitudes, which imho

are largely responsible for productivity divides between europe north and the latin south:



Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:46 | 3315874 chinucklehead
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When will they start including alimony and child support in those income figures?

There is no difference in pay between equally qualified men and women doing the same work. It is more likely for a woman to be paid more than a man in such a case. This has been true in some fields since the 1960's. The pay gap is the direct result of women's choices.

If you doubt it, do some real research instead of relying on feminist press releases -,, are good places to start.

Feminist misdirection and falsehood comes to zerohedge. The most coddled and entitled demographic segment in world history never stops crying for more.


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:24 | 3316174 bilejones
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When is Men's day?

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