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China To Japan: Hand Over The Senkakus Or Your Economy Gets It
Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said Saturday that "Japan needs to face up to reality, and take real steps to correct its mistakes... so as to prevent a further escalation," with regard the demand that Japan reverse its nationalization of the small islet chain of the Senkakus. In some of the strongest rhetoric yet, The Japan Times reports that the Chinese minister said Japan's 'single-handed' actions so far have "caused great damage to China-Japan relations and undermined stability in the region," and urged Tokyo to "make concrete efforts" to prevent fraught bilateral ties from spiraling out of control. As the reigns of control in China continue to be handed over (with Yang expected to become state Councillor for foreign affairs), we suspect the situation is far from resolved - especially with Shinzo Abe fighting a war on another front (that China is likely not pleased with either).
CNY-JPY exchange rate has devalued 28% in the last 6 months with the Yuan at its strongest against the Yen in 5 years...
Via The Japan Times,
China on Saturday demanded that Japan reverse its nationalization of the Senkakus and address the sovereignty dispute through negotiations, urging Tokyo to “make concrete efforts” to prevent fraught bilateral ties from spiralling out of control.
Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said the sharp deterioration in Sino-Japanese relations was “single-handedly” caused by Japan’s purchase last September of three of the main Senkaku islets, and accused Tokyo of “illegally” seizing and occupying what he termed Chinese territory. The islet group in the East China Sea is administered by Japan but has been claimed by China since the 1970s.
“The Chinese side believes that Japan needs to face up to reality, take real steps to correct its mistakes and work with us to handle and resolve relevant issues through dialogue and consultations, so as to prevent a further escalation of the situation and stop it getting out of control,” Yang said on the sidelines of the National People’s Congress in Beijing.
Speaking at a news conference, Yang denounced Japan’s Sept. 11 purchase of the Senkaku islets of Uotsuri, Kitakojima and Minamikojima from a Saitama businessman, which effectively nationalized the entire chain, saying the move has “caused great damage to China-Japan relations and undermined stability in the region.”
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While censuring Japan for its acquisition of the islets, Yang said that developing “long-term, sound and steady (bilateral) relations” serves “the fundamental interests” of both countries and their people. “The Chinese side is ready to continue to develop a strategic relationship of mutual benefit with Japan,” he said.
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Well, that was Japan's goal wasn't it?
I think the term currency war is misleading: if every country is doing it and we lend Europe billions the war cannot be won. It should be called a debasement war wereby every person who saved fiat gets clobbered.
Yes, the whole world is getting murkier by the day. It is up to each of us to look-out for our loved ones.
Our savings are at risk! If China & Japan go at it (possible, but not likely IMHO), that would definitely NOT help, well, anything. Deploy your savings accordingly!
china lacks the sea-power to make this anymore than an economic shoving match. the ironic bit is the more pain they inflict on Japan economically the more Japan's reactor-free economy will be desperate for the china sea's close-to-home oil and gas. regardless of how long or disruptive this dispute is, the real loser--as it always seems to be--will be the mutual-masturbators at the boston-branded-betas that have bid NKY to this level. nice job guys.
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes.
We need a good tv war. So ben can print moar
Then, of course, there's the North Korean wild card, which China has vowed to defend:
http://www.secondkoreanwar.com
So many choices. How is one to figure out which will be the war that takes down the Ponzi? It's coming soon so everyone wake up and be alert.
It's always said there are more than one incident that leads to the next event.
Too many balls juggling = disasster.
Sorry to bring bad news but war actually HELPs the ponzi.
All that new money, misallocation of manpower and resources destruction and rebuilding, it's a keynesians wet dream.
We live in a world where evil is seen as necessary for the systems survival..
Thanks, Jesus.
LOL
"china lacks the sea-power to make this anymore than an economic shoving match."
You gloss over air-power and missle-power.
and there's the possibility of drone fleas
if they can't take and hold the islands they can't really "own" them. as to missiles and planes... 1) the US owns the skies over and around Japan, and china won't risk a full fight with the US, and 2) japan has spent plenty of cash on ABM (and if it is half as good as Iron Dome, china's missiles are probably not super effective). plus, this is a grand domestic distraction for both government’s from their respective economic woes. moreover, if china starts shooting it would be an opportunity for US politicians to shut off their trade with the US. we'll see how exaggerated their swagger is when the last walmart boat leaves...
Yea, China is worried about the US "cutting them off". Where would Americans get anything if China was shut out? Local manufacturers? What local manufacturers? Besides... who wants the US/China trade to continue because they make billions off of it each year...? The people who own the US and the Chinese government.
DingleBarry™ and his pack of union-pandering-halfwits in the house would love to "protect american jobs" or some such nonsense. the shortage would cost the US a little inflation but could be made up with imports from a LONG list of others (vietnam, thailand, indonesia, india, etc). as near as i can tell, aside from a ton of assembled-in-china iStuff, china's manufacturing might is pretty low tech (toys, nick-knacks, nascar t-shirts, etc). it is easily replaced. don't get me wrong. i am not tenting my fingers and getting giddy about the prospect of skirmishing with china. quite the contrary. but this seems inevitable. profound economic distress, leading to trade/resource slap fights, leading to wars is a well worn theme of history.
3D Printers of course. I already print all my food. Next step, printing women.
Print gold, then you'll have all you want.
Not too mention the distance isn't exactly challenging for the Chinese ESF and SSF to send surface action groups with pretty decent SSM and SAM capabilities to control the area (if one assumes the Washington CVG and it's group stay out of it). We're not talking about China sending their Navy to the Atlantic or anything.
As for airpower, just go count for yourself on Stratfor the readily available American fighters in Japan (and the Japanese ones too) and then count what China has for upgraded 3rd and 4th gen fighters with the legs to make it to the area. Rough guess is China would have a 3-1 numbers superiority, albeit with a lower number of 4th gen to F-15s/F-16s/F-18s. Don't count the USFK aircraft...they'll be busy with the pampered Fat boy king up north.
US and Japan would probably have a good reason to declare a force majeur, and cancel the chinese, and some other debt (namely Fed held).
Japan's navy is set up for sea-denial. think they have about 21 diesel electric submarines. if china were to use very small craft to try to take the islands it's a different calculus, but any attempt by conventional surface forces would result in said surface forces finding their way to the bottom of the sea. So if it does go hot, expect the Chinese to utilize asymmetric warfare to get around that.
This is retarded. Both countries and every other country on the planet is owned by the same freakn' Fantasy Island banks or bank.
yea but that whole 9/11 thing is pretty freaky
all of it diversions and justifications
Bingo.
First thoughts are, what is going on over in the middle east now?
Are there skulduggery plans to attack Iran happening now over there somewhere?
Tick-tock towards what next???
The Chinese banks are not "owned" by the West. That is why they had a "revolution" in 1949.
They are not "owned" by The Chinese either (at least not the one's who aren't in the politburo).
I couldn't agree more.
They are completely integrated into the system. The 1949 revolution was lost on the ascension of Deng Xiaoping.
Japan did not live up to its investment potential. It must be destroyed.
From "leveraged buyout" to "hostile takeover." in America we call it "Dell Computer." my money's on Microsoft either way...
when you drop the price of windows 8 by over two-thirds -> not a good sign of growth either...
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.ca/2013/03/windows-8-adoption-at-...
"I don't understand; we made it just as lickable and pointless as OS X" - Ballmer
NoClue . My last windows "operating system" was something with 2000 ....
Why upgrade to Windows 8 which doesn't let you see or know what you are doing or want to do?
Why is Microsoft intent on alienating people who know how to use Windows and a computer?
Dumbing down the O.S. to the level of Apple's gives people no incentive to upgrade; it gives them incentive to go to the National Geographic of operating systems (MAC O.S.), or stay with Windows 7, or go to a Linux deriviative, or Google O.S.
Microsoft is dumbing down email too, and forcing Hotmail users to switch to "Outlook.com" which is brain dead (no word menus, fewer options, more ads).
DUH.
All the PCs in my house have Linux installed, and only two of them are booted up with any version of Windows. WHY put up with Virii, trojans and popups?
What do you think abut Ubuntu?
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Ubuntu is very good, I'm typing this post on it now, plus I have 4 other Ubuntu installs running it in the house, and have done since about 2008. Linux allows you to run on older hardware that others may be throwing out. The best way is to find an old machine (1+G ram is a good start), download an ISO image, burn to CD or DVD and boot it off the optical drive (save the CD/DVD - you can use it as a recovery disc). You may can even do this on your current machine without touching its hard drive, although any changes you make will be lost on reboot.
You can also run it in as a virtual machine (download virtualbox for win/mac/linux) from within your current system if you really want to test it. Both the DVD & virtual machine will be a little less responsive than when it is run natively from the hard drive install version.
There is an embarrassment of riches in terms of software available, an enormous user support help base over at ubuntuforums.org, with a specific beginners & install help forum. The trick with Linux is to learn how it works in parallel with whatever you are currently using, until you feel comfortable, just don't go cold turkey!
Linux users tend to be fairly self sufficient in terms of problem solving issues, yet also very supportive - ZH is very similar. Before asking a question on a forum, you might consider How to Ask Questions the Smart Way to avoid repetition and being flamed or ignored.
Another "flavour" to consider is Linux Mint - it is itself derived from Ubuntu, so most of the Ubuntu help will be applicable. It aims to be closest to WinXP and looks very user friendly when I saw a retiree with minimal computer skills demonstrate it to the local computer club this week.
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"ubuntu" is the African way of saying:
Linux for children
I meant to (for a looong time...), but then I found out I just can't put all tmps into a single partition (/tmp /var swapfile/part) - talk about user (un)friendly. At least windows allows mapping both directories to partitions AND partitions to directories at will...
Of course you can.
Funny because I was just looking into it and the answer everywhere is no (eg: /var and /tmp in sda2, not binding!).
You know how wrong you got it when its market share is half that of Vista...
Luckily North Korea is stable at the moment.
And so's Kim Jong UnisexHarido Boy and his Gangam Style buddies in them neat hats.
It's "Kooked out, dude"
North Korea will become even more stable when lil' Kim gets some fisting from the Big Chinese Brother. Surprise!
<--- Rodman was the top
<--- Kim was the top
Ah so, the groves come off...if these two get to the point of throwing bullets at each other, the winner better rename them to the 'Seppuku Islands'...stupid, but we've done worse.
Regional disputes in the Far East are best handled according to their laws and customs. It is their neighborhood. We are merely distant relatives and friends...or interfering commercial rivals.
Agreed, + 1
That doesn´t mean we can´t do Japan some quiet favors...
That´s part of Oriental culture too...
We do kinda "owe them a few". After all there were Hiroshima and Nagasaki followed by the GE Fuckushittinme reactors.
Ah, nothing a week or two of k103 Potassium Iodide can't square up amongst us.
PS. On second thought maybe we oughta stick our nose way under the tent, stir up the pot and really clarify the matters and ensure peace like we've done in the Middle East.
Booyah!
A chopstick in every hand.
We rebuilt Japan from the ground up after WWII. We owe them nothing. Time for us to leave our bases and their defense to themselves!
Ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaah.
Your selective understanding of history is... laughable. Yep, America is doing them a favor by "defending" their islands from "aggressors".
ROFL
Good eve to you and yours Knuckles.
"Ah, nothing a week or two of k103 Potassium Iodide can't square up amongst us."
Actually, we take a little PI often and measure the radioactive fallout here most every day.
http://www.amazon.com/Marine-Biotherapies-Liquid-Potassium-2-Ounce/dp/B0...
Yesterday it rained and then turned to snow over night. Before the snow came we went out to get a windshield wipe off the freshly washed front window of the conveyance mechanism.
Much to our shock, we got this report of 170 CPM in a ten minute count on the bagged wipe. Our normal background is around 50 CPM and it has been slowly rising as the records show.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2796/rainck170cpm3813.jpg
"PS. On second thought maybe we oughta stick our nose way under the tent,"
Boy howdy, you said it. Stay inside for sure after it rains or snows. DO NOT GO OUT IN, OR GET CAUGHT IN THE RAIN is the best warning we can give to anyone who has eyes to see, and ears to hear. Sure is going to make for rough goings this year trying to grow the garden. Green houses work to some extent, but it now appears that growing anything that can get rained on is out of the question. The soils are becoming hotter and hotter every year.
Ah well, lets go back to some other distraction and exert a bunch of energy around that instead of realizing the entire globe is being slowly poisoned with radiation from a host of leaking and unreported radioactive sites all over the world.
You seem to forget.
Uncle Sam has a nasty habit of sticking his nose into exactly where its neither needed nor wanted.
Being the world's policeman makes you believe you can just about tell everyone else what to do and when to do it.
Undoubtedly this is why Unisex Kim Un is rattling his cage right about now. Which of course is probably scaring the shit out of the porch monkey in the white house since he can't send a hellfire missile to solve this problem.
Actually, a well placed hellfire missle might solve the little Kim problem - could possibly result in other problems popping up elsewhere, however...
He's on the hefty-side...might need two hellfires. And a box of twinkies to keep him in place long enough for the time-of-flight.
Kim Jong Un would fuck Janet Napalitano.
Dude, that's so gay
Most likely Kim's "provacations" are a show of force to appease his support base.
Unless some sort of endgame is near the US/China would not want to take him down OR let something real happen.
DPRK is a useful regional pawn to all sides.
The boy is a pawn in a man's chess game.
Discretion is the better part of valor. True ;-)
Hahahaha...more ignorant blather from the world's most opinionated housefrau revolutionary.
Quick, how much of the shit people like you shop for at Wal-Mart comes from one of those two countries?
No Walmarts in my neighborhood, darling. You do seem to get your knickers in a twist. The job of apparatchik not paying so well for you, lately? ;-) Or are you merely the water boy. Poor thing.
evidently not goddamned much since Wal-Mart can't keep their shelves stocked anymore... didn't you get the memo in the other article? the US isn't buying the majority of cheap Chinese shit anymore, some other group of dumbasses is doing that...
The madzionist is running out of debt slaves to whip. Boo hoo.
Debt slaves? Since when do Foxconn employees get to borrow money?
Madzionist?! Hahahaa. Sorry honey, never been one of "the chosen", but thanks for playing. LOL
And the US trade deficit reflects tha---oh wait, no it doesn't.
+1
Same goes for the rest of the globe.
the illusion of competition and nationalism is ok in this rigged prison planet when it involves the possibllity of massive population reduction.
John Kerry is on the case and he gets things done. Like the time he had the city of Boston move the fire hydrant near his brownstone so he could park there and the time he bought a yacht in New Zealand and "moored" in in Rhode Island so he could avoid Massachusetts taxes. Yeah that John Kerry will figure it out.
Who's John Kerry?
I think he was a war hero, or great patriot.
assfire......i think he was herman monster
Munster, not monster
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl_separated_johnkerry_hermanmunster,0,8469...
He meant John Cohen.
Mrs. Clinton's butler?
He'll catchup.. Oh, wait , ... he won't ...
John Kerry who rebukes the Turkish Prime Minister for complaining about fascism and zionism?
Since when is it the business of the U.S. to defend a foreign power - zionism?
For the Republic or against it. Choose.
No dual passports. Crypto-zionist Kerry serves a foreign power.
One thing you can say about Chinese: they have a subtle way of stating things.
Smaller Asia countries will be longing for US presence. We did not get into peoples face the way Chinese do. May be I am viewing this from US perspective.
From my US perspective, we get in plenty o' people's faces. Our government just isn't as blunt with their intentions. And too we have the UN as a front for our aggression. I think it'd be fair to say both Chinese and US governments are equally atrocious, and the citizens of each country are equally civilized-- unlike, say, the Europeans.
At least in the US we have not devolved to the point of "kill ya and eat ya" as they have in China.
Oh, wait. I see it's not actually 100% beef.
Get your fact STRAIGHT!! Yes, I know, Americans are very BAD in getting Any strailght fact!
It is Japs who started ALL this! They got what they ask for!
Diao Yu Tai Islands Belong to China. And they will come back to China in a due time
Sheeto izu gettingu reeru yo.
Bald men fighting over a comb.
Bald men donT fight over money,
Bald men fight for more control.
The bald man who controls the comb,
he controls the hairy sheeple.
Hide your comb!
The BOJ is the Fed's errand boy to create inflation in China, and lead to unrest, etc. The strategy is that of the Borg:
"We are the Fed. Resistance is futile. Arguments are irrelevant. Prepare to be assimilated."
This is great news ... H.R. 2494.
To authorize and direct the Secretary of State and the Commissioner of Social Security to continue to work with the governments of the states of the former Soviet Union to encourage such states to adopt policies that would allow receipt of pensions for individuals who worked in any such state and earned a pension and currently reside in the United States, and for other purposes.
Our communist central fancy planning works, please send yen to help fukuyama humanitarian aid. No new Sony technology if aid extoltion is no met
This is how it starts you know … something you never ever would have thought of in a million years. This is the Black Swan (or something like it).
The banking families are enemies of every nation and possibly the only ones keeping the world from disintegration. If they can't control the world then by their actions will the world be destroyed. Such is the nature of money.
Right now it's a toss up for WWIII, over Asia or the Middle East?
Both is a possibility.
The Chinese are just rattling their sabers. All they have to do is wait a few years and the Japanese population will be too sick from radiation to pick up a bowl of rice.
There is no reason to spend half a yuan on a bullet in this pissing contest. The Japanese are dead men walking. Although killing their economy faster than it's already dying might be fun for them. Wouldn't cost them anything, and the US can't 'come to the rescue' over the Chinese using economic sanctions.
Besides, most of the US Navy over there is radioactive, too. Those sailors, all the way up to Commander, US Naval Forces Japan, are in no hurry to fight anyone. They know who gave the order to keep them in the Fukushima hot zone. Now that the Naval Fukushima Medical Registry has been abandoned by the Pentagon, all they want to do is go home and die in peace, knowing there won't be any medical help from the government for their cancers.
They know who gave the order to keep them in the Fukushima hot zone. Now that the Naval Fukushima Medical Registry has been abandoned by the Pentagon, all they want to do is go home and die in peace, knowing there won't be any medical help from the government for their cancers. And they will be forbidden to own guns because they are terrorists.
Obama, he has literally destroyed america from within right in front of the whole world's nose and not one amercian seems to have noticed.
My take is that it will start in the Middle East.
When that fur ball spins up and Uncle Sugar is preoccupied, the door will be open for China to make a solid move on the Senkakus, then hold them. N. Korea will fump S. Korea, and in the process, further coat Japan with fallout.
Keep in mind this would also be a great time for China to move on the renegade province, Taiwan.
I doubt that China the world's oldest continuous civilsation will be out-flanked by the upcoming US-Russian-EUSSR-Zionist-Islam compact.
Sun Tzu: first reckon, then risk.
If you have studied Chinese history you'd know that its civilization was no more continuous than Egypt's or Europe's. Multiple cultures, peoples and philosophies have dominated the Middle Kingdom.
Oldest continuous civilisation. The others you mention ...
We must agree to disagree.
Perhaps you define 'continuous' and 'civilisation' differently. Bill Clinton asked what is 'is'. Please don't take offense at that reference. It's a word reference, nothing more. He is a cheeky bint, not a genuine person, friend of child sex slave trafficker Epstein, and customer.
You represent MOST of Americans, who know NOTHING about China, be present one or the hostorical one, YET still thought you knew everything about China.
Humongous ego of Americans. What a pity and pathetic!
Neither, perhaps. Remember O'bomba told Russia off-mic that he would have more 'flexibility' after the election.
Perhaps O'bomba is instructed to join Russia,Syria,Iran,Israel et al vs China where efforts to destabilise the region are going to plan.
It's that: my enemy's enemy is my friend sort of thang, so beloved of crypto-communists, despots, zionists and monarchists.
Cue the North Korean dogs of war.
Unless they have already been eaten. If not the Chinese have a big enough wok to put them in.
Dog, a really rare species in N Korea.
china is extremely happy that japan started this senkakus affair, and even, is more delighted that japan sets out the devaluation of its currency. it is dream-come-true to china.
Normally, the Japanese are a clever people, WTF? Too much radiation in their diapers?
Arrogance.
No one knows precisely their leaders are thinking. National pride and arrogance are definitely there.
It's like some weird kinda Harry Kari thing.
Is a mushroom cloud over Tokyo net positive to the CNY? Hmm... Cheeky contrarians.
The western countries need to stop being China's lapdogs and start putting sanctions on China for their bullshit behavior... Ban anyone doing business with China from doing business in your country... and put big ass tarifs on Chinese products... China would collapse within a few months easy.
Everybody is scared of China yet WE hold the power to take them down whenever we want.
Well we could do it if our politicians weren't bought and paid for.
Without us, they are fucked. Without them, we are in business. Win/win scenario.
Opium wars by Western banks - British banks - polluted China. The West invited China in to world trade thereafter.
I am not afraid of China, and China is entitled to govern by its own customs. It is a pity that Western gangsta bankstas lost out on their bets, and now seek to demonise China. All those jobs sent to the Far East because Western banks and politicians wished it so...and now their snivelling apologists try to say otherwise. Bail out the banks with the money of taxpayers and the unemployment of millions.
It was wrong for Western banks based in Britain and their political pets to ruin the West and the world with paper money and endless war, in my opinion.
We need to clean our societies, that's for sure. Thing is, while we do that, the scum running China will take advantage of that... Once we clean our stuff, we should make sure the Chinese communist party collapses so the real people of China take over. Then we can have peace.
We need only mind our own business, our own people, our land, and let others do the same in theirs, my friend.
I think it is wrong for gangsta bankstas and their political pet appointees to demonise other lands, while robbing us in broad daylight, sending jobs abroad, taxing more...while they take more, as they do not live in the economy occupied by most people.
They play. We pay. Wrong, in my opinion.
My first +1 of the morning goes to newengland.
The media sure has successfully painted China as the big bad bully. Now, if China has its hand forced "history" will be against them.
Didn't Dennise Rodman just vist North Korea?
The point of the islands is gas fields. I don't see anyone drilling in that area with all the hostile bull shit going on. If Japan was smart they would sell them for enough to clean up their nuke mess.
Threaten to attack japan (Taiwan, Vietnam, Phillipines, fill in the blank country) unitarily then criticize the countries for destabilizing peace. Cheeky bastanrds. I stand in awe of the chinese ability to lie and say the most outrageous things with a straight face as if they actually believe it themselves. The irony is that china has become the new japan of 70 years ago. the truth is always the outer most layer of the surface with these guys.
I remember wondering at school how people in Europe went from the "Belle Epoque" to WW1 but never expected to witness the process unfold once again.
With their economy and Fukushima, Japan is rotted out. How much pressure does China need to apply to push the door in?
Welcome to Chapter 1 of the Asia Pivot.
Japan is nothing more than a Washington Poodle. They do Nothing on their own. They are owned by the US.
Witness, nuclear meltdowns due to US Corporations (GE) pushing nuclear power and now that an ongoing meltdown is occurring, Japan agrees to build MORE nuclear power plants. That action can NOT be justified by a Free Willing Japan.
It certainly can if you see how many people are still without power without them.
This doesn't excuse Tepco's many foolish failures, but Japan can't exist without nuke plants. Deal with it.