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Jim Rogers: We're Wiping Out The Savings Class Globally, To Terrible Consequence

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Submitted by Adam Taggart of Peak Prosperity,

Jim Rogers decries the growing uncertainty and recklessness of global central planners as the world enters unchartered financial markets:

For the first time in recorded history, we have nearly every central bank printing money and trying to debase their currency. This has never happened before. How it’s going to work out, I don't know. It just depends on which one goes down the most and first, and they take turns. When one says a currency is going down, the question is against what? because they are all trying to debase themselves. It’s a peculiar time in world history.

 

I own the dollar, not because I have any confidence in the dollar and not because it’s sound – it’s a terribly flawed currency – but I expect more currency turmoil, more financial turmoil. During periods like that, people, for whatever reason, flee to the U.S. dollar as a safe haven. It is not a safe haven, but it is perceived that way by some people. That’s why the dollar is going up. That’s why I own it. Will I own it in five years, ten years? I don't know. 

It makes it extremely difficult for the investor looking for acceptable risk/reward, or the saver looking to protect their purchasing power; as in Rogers' view, all options have their problems:

I own gold and silver and precious metals. I own all commodities, which is a better way to play as they debase currencies. I own more agriculture than just about anything else in real assets because of the reasons we discussed before. We were talking before about the risk-free or worry-free investment. Even gold: the Indian politicians are talking about coming down hard on gold, and India is the largest buyer of gold in the world. If Indian politicians do something -- whether it’s foolish or not is irrelevant -- if they do something, gold could go down a lot. So I own it. I’m not selling it. But everything has problems.

To Rogers, the bigger danger that concerns him is the hollowing out of the 'saving class' resulting from this situation. Central planners' policies are punishing the prudent in favor of rescuing the irresponsible. This has happened before in world history, and the aftermath has always had grievous economic, social -- and often human -- costs:

Throughout our history – any country’s history – the people who save their money and invest for their future are the ones that you build an economy, a society, and a nation on.

 

In America, many people saved their money, put it aside, and didn’t buy four or five houses with no job and no money down. They did what most people would consider the right thing, and what historically has been the right thing. But now, unfortunately, those people are being wiped out, because they are getting 0% return, or virtually no return, on their savings and their investments. We’re wiping them out at the expense of people who went deeply into debt, people who did what most people would consider the wrong thing at the expense of people who did the right thing. This, long-term, has terrible consequences for any nation, any society, any economy.

 

If you go back in history, you'll see what happened to the Germans when they wiped out their savings class in the 1920s. It didn’t lead to good things down the road for Germany. It didn’t lead to good things for Italy, which did the same thing. There were plenty of countries where it wiped out the people who saved and invested for their future. It’s usually a serious, political reaction, desperation in some cases, and looking for a savior and easy answers is usually what happens when you destroy the people who save and invest for the future.

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Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:27 | 3316602 Tango in the Blight
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It all happened before. Google Banana Wars and Major General Smedley Butler's War Is A Racket.

Deposing uncooperative governments and installing "banana republics" on behalf of the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita Brands International) was the game a century ago.

In Butler's words:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

How is that any different from what happened in the last decade and still is happening today?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:21 | 3316877 Vooter
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But...but...they're our HEROES! They're PROTECTING us from evil-doers! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:38 | 3315962 eddiebe
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At least grow a garden instead of a stupid lawn like everybody else and some fruit and nut trees. That is something we can all do, except for those of us living in apartments.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:02 | 3315998 Ckierst1
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It's against the zoning.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:33 | 3316065 WillyGroper
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you can grow alot in flower pots.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:59 | 3316231 Lednbrass
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Most of the twerps in suburbia and the big cities aren't going to be bothered to get their hands dirty. They'd need a new manicure, and have to re-mousse their hair- way too much bother for the Starbucks crowd.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:50 | 3316813 GMadScientist
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Most of the twerps in the hinterlands and the disappearing small towns of America aren't going to be bothered to get new skills. They'd need a high-school education, and have to bathe occasionally...way too much bother for the hay-bale crowd.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 12:13 | 3316985 francis_sawyer
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says mr former trailer trash turned statist bootlicker who will dazzle you with his "How to become a 1%" feats of glory at the drop of a hat as he peers distainfully down his nose at you...

~~~

Thanks! I was suffering from a bout of insomnia, but you managed to put me to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:19 | 3316251 johnnynaps
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hey, years ago I was in a 2 bedroom apartment and dedicated a whole room to growing errrrr.....tomatoes!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:34 | 3316269 darteaus
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and herb(s).

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:25 | 3316607 shovelhead
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Lol,

At 3k+ /lb. wholesale (non-legal state) you can buy an ton of tomatoes and everything else you need.

Save the veggie gardening for when the weed stops selling. A leverage you can't lose from because production cost is essentially nothing.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:49 | 3316812 itstippy
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I've spent many hours gardening.  It's hard and hot work.

You clear a garden plot and mix in compost. You plant seeds in nice rows.  This takes many hours.  The sun bakes the soil for a few days, so you tote water.  Then the rains come and wash half the rows into oblivion.

The excessive rain & sun is hard on the desirable vegetable green shoots, but the weeds love it.  Weed, weed, weed.  Eventually the green shoots get six inches high and recognizable as vegetables.  The bugs find them - fucking kamikaze squadrons of Japanese beetles come swooping out of the sun in never-ending waves of destruction.  Cutworms attack the roots from below.  You spray and powder insecticides around like a damned Chemical Ali trying to fight off the invasion.

The green shoots flourish, kinda.  Thirsty buggers!  Tote more water.  Weed endlessly.  Apply more insecticides. 

The nocturnal mammal critters find your garden.  A woodchuck mows through two rows of broccoli in a single night, like a machine.  Rabbits eat and eat.  Cats wander in, with their own concepts of digging and watering and fertilizing.  Squirrels dig up plants relentlessly, just because they like to dig in loose soil.  Birds peck one or two holes in each tomato as they start to ripen.  They also peck at the strawberries.  Deer wander in and eat all the asparagus, then move in on the fruit trees

Weed weed weed.  Tote water.

When the crops finally come in, they come in all at once.  Buckets of tomatoes & squashes & cucumbers & beans.  It'll all spoil in a few days unless you process the bounty and put it up in canning jars.  Hard work!

Anyone who thinks they'll exit the rat race and live a life of ease off the fat o' the land hasn't tried it. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:31 | 3316899 mofreedom
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my wife said she'd can if I did the gardening, i gardened, she did't can (I'm not clean enough to can) so we ate fresh what we could and threw the rotten rest at eachother.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:40 | 3315965 Fix It Again Timmy
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Family A had deposited their wealth in Continental bills then later in Confederate Dollars, Family B had always deposited their wealth in gold and silver......

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:33 | 3316268 darteaus
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Family A "inspired" by banker's politicians, killed Family B, and turned over their wealth the the banker's politicians in exchange for a Big Mac.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:46 | 3315976 maskone909
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Its insane. To consider a potential ww3 over "debt" of pretend paper currency. How evil can these elites really be to let something like this happen. Im not religious but the bible and revelations comes to mind. This is so sickening.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:42 | 3316625 Tango in the Blight
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I doubt very much that it will be a nuclear war. Living 400 meters underground in a bunker for 40 years must not be appealing to them no matter how luxurious that bunker is. The elites tend to enjoy the country life and by using nukes they can kiss that lifestyle goodbye.

I guess they'll sooner wipe us out with some new disease which they just happen to have the antidote for and which they won't be sharing with the rest of us.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:44 | 3316803 Oldwood
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You are working under the assumption that everyone with nukes is rational. I think if you were to look at some of the more "fundamental" societies you might see their pragmatism towards the future has a more "unearthly" perspective. The list of possible evil fates that await is long indeed. It is unfortunate that we are suffering this shit economy as the illusion of prosperity would normally distract us from these African American swans. I don't think we are allowed to say black anymore.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:52 | 3315986 max2205
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So people with money will lose their money if not invested but people with no money will leverage a loan into a bubble asset and come out ok....

What a douche!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:01 | 3315996 BigPerm
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Big Boys must really be worried about gold to dig up Rogers to talk the price down.

The guy always like gold. Never likes the price.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:53 | 3316163 AllWorkedUp
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Absolutely right. Wrote the same thing on the last page. He always say to buy agriculture but gold is NEVER cheap enough for him to buy "now".

He's an elite hack. Full of half truths and lies - doesn't care one bit about savers.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:03 | 3316001 Offthebeach
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By the later stages, Roman Senators had large, multi-county size estates. The citizens would appear at these self sufficient, profitable plantations and surrender their citizenship for food and shelter, becoming serfs or slaves to those that impoverished them.( think voting Democrat for Section 8 and EBT. ) These Senators became kings and their estates became principalities.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:02 | 3316234 newengland
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Similar to Yesminster, Whitewash, the EUSSR and CONgress today...all attempting the same scam. Not that the rest of the world's wannabe slave master political class are any better; in fact, they are worse in their daily tyranny and Murder Inc. targetting their own people first.

The love  of money is the root of all evil.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 00:21 | 3316318 presk_eel_pundit
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The difference this time is that when we show up at their gates, we'll have guns.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:14 | 3316493 lewy14
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+271 AD.

Yes, the "Middle Ages" actually started before the date formally recognized as the end of the (Western) Roman Empire.

Read about the Crisis of the Third Century.

The key point is that money is freedom. Diocletian destroyed money and destroyed freedom to perpetuate the power of the elites of the empire.

Right now the elites are destroying money.

Why?

This question will be on the final exam. Prepare well.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:05 | 3316007 billsbest
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It's beyond being obvious, but no one of any consequence is calling it a DELIBERATE POLICY, but us tin-foil helmeted munchkins.

BARRY THE DOPE DEALER, is Why His School Files are Sealed
Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:12 | 3316458 newengland
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O'bomba was raised by his freak dysfunctional family of a slut mother and her CIA parents. The poor boy didn't know who he was, and drugs helped him overcome the child abuse. He was selected to succeed by the family's 'friends'. 

And here he is: the empty suit, doing as he is told by the puppet master, gangsta banksta zionists, crypto-communists.

I feel sorry for Michelle, and her genuine American family, right or wrong.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:12 | 3316026 sitenine
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Actually, a new class of savers is being born - a class that saves in gold/silver.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:16 | 3316030 newengland
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I like the three wise Jims: Sinclair, Turk and Rogers. Wise ol' birds.

And they all say similar things in different ways: modern money masters are the new kids on the chopping block, and losing their heads...along with many ordinary innocent people who did not join that party, but are being ruined by it.

Gold, silver, land, agriculture. Buy what cannot be printed by powerbrokers.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:29 | 3316055 disabledvet
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Sorry but if you're not talking price you're only buying me into the next mania. "the whole thing sounds like bs to me." I ask myself this: "what are the banks buying into" and I would argue "very little."

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:34 | 3316066 sitenine
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What the fuck do you know about "price"? - sounds to me like you're confusing it with "value".

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3316118 WmMcK
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Sounds like a cynic.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:52 | 3316297 newengland
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sitenine,

'vet' reminds me of the old saying: bulls and bears make money. pigs get slaughtered. no offense against 'vet'. just observing that there is a time to buy and sell. politics blinds common sense.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 01:52 | 3316303 sitenine
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Bulls and bears you say? I thought only central banks 'make money'...

Common sense you say? Geezers Need Excitement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2RlqFeNgDI

;)

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:05 | 3316450 newengland
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And I raise you this: The Who. 'Don't Get Fooled Again'. 

;-)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:50 | 3316296 newengland
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...vet.

Banks and hedge funds are buying gold, silver, land, agriculture...anything of tangible value. Central banks are nett buyers of gold (and silver, quietly).

Crimex assists. Down goes the paper price. Up goes physical.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:10 | 3317230 DosZap
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." I ask myself this: "what are the banks buying into" and I would argue "very little."

No, not very little, all the Au they can get their hands on globally.Just llike every soverign, except for the West.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:44 | 3316924 DosZap
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Gold, silver, land, agriculture. Buy what cannot be printed by powerbrokers.

Agree with you on the three visionaries.

BUT, IMHO your a fool to invest in US land, agri stocks,nat gas, energy stocks YES.

Land will be the first thing they steal from you.Out of the items you listed it's the one biggie, that you can never OWN.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:25 | 3316045 Hongcha
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Our leaders, Europe, Japan, now India ... all kowtow to the parasitic class and provide the muscle to back up their ruinous policies, again on behalf of the amoral, parasitic class.  

The particular dynamic geared-in now perversely tends to reinforce and reward bad behavior and simultaneously fail to reward or even persecute healthy behavior and the healthy members of the body politic.

The gears tighten until mother nature, uh, calls game over.

Many people in the United States know this is true, emotionally even if they cannot elucidate what the trouble is.

This has happened many specific, identifiable times in history and we know how it ends.  

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:21 | 3316216 sitenine
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A good observation. This, to me, is the most important reason to have a vibrant 'middle class'. I'm all for helping the needy, indeed it is one of the noblest things one human can do for another. - When does the relationship stop being symbiotic and start becoming parasitic though? Then you've got to ask yourself, how much is enough for a parasite? The answer is usually that the parasite will kill the host even to its own demise. Such is the natural cycle of life I suppose..

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:36 | 3316616 shovelhead
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"Why?" Asked the frog of the scorpion, as they were about to sink in the middle of the stream.

"Because it is my nature" replied the scorpion.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:40 | 3316917 mofreedom
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the relationship must be give and take, even if the give is far greater than the take.  it's the heart that counts.  thieves (gubmint, wives, children, etc) don't say please, thank you or I'm sorry.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:40 | 3316078 A Lunatic
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It won't be long until the term Savers will be synonymous with Hoarders, and by extension Terrorists........

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 05:06 | 3316523 AssFire
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Said the guy hoarding all those tasty freshly flossed bits of meat from his teeth.....

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3316116 q99x2
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Sounds like Rogers is motivated by death by giving the interview on his treadmill. Wonder how China is going to treat Americans as the hostilities over the East and South China Seas, Africa and the middle East build. I would not want to be in Singaphore when TSHTF. And I would not want to be in the US either. He is like most others with money at this time in that he agrees that things are quite bad for holding onto money by any safe means. Whatever individuals put their money into has been made risky by one Ben Bernanke and other central banks. Probably won't see him at any protest marches.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 00:14 | 3316315 Non Passaran
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Last time I checked Singapore wasn't in China. In fact, it wasn't even close!
Singapore is quite safe as more and more rich people keep their money there.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:35 | 3316473 newengland
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Singapore: safe for prostitutes in every sense, and dull.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3316117 Golden_Rule
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He confused who got bailed out, obviously not the irresponsible borrowers, rather the irresponsible lenders.  But as always he is spot on.  Its a shame he's to bright to get into politics or (more involved in) information media.  Very likeable guy who likes to speak the truth.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:31 | 3316264 AynRandFan
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The biggest borrower of all is being bailed out at the tune of $1 trillion every year. Folks that declare bankruptcy or walk away from their loans get bailed out too. Everyone is at this party.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 01:01 | 3316350 Golden_Rule
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" Folks that declare bankruptcy or walk away from their loans get bailed out too."

 

I gotta disagree with that.  One party pays interest and one party takes risk, that's the way it should work. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 18:34 | 3317889 bilejones
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There's always a problem with transcripts, without the nuances of speech, the pauses, changes of tone etc, it's far too easy to take a meaning that's different from that intended- and usually expressed, in the conversation.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:09 | 3316144 egoist
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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:29 | 3316183 CunnyFunt
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"There's no place to put your money."
There are many more square miles in the u.s. than there are banks. A hole in the ground is a start.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:20 | 3316164 Kirk2NCC1701
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I look forward to meet JR and Simon Black next month, at Simon's global meeting. Beats blogging and surfing. Would rather check out Chile in person. Because I can, bitchez.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:36 | 3316277 GMadScientist
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Don't come back.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:12 | 3316854 Vooter
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"Hey, everyone, look at me! I can afford airfare to Chile! AND I like to pluralize my words with "z" instead of "s," because that's what all the cool people do!"

LOL...you fucking tool. Just because your parents were low-class twats who taught you absolutely nothing doesn't mean you have to go out and DEMONSTRATE it to everyone. Then again, people like you are almost always twats until the bitter end, so never mind...

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:27 | 3316259 Seychelles
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Central planners' policies are punishing the prudent in favor of rescuing the irresponsible.

Absolutely true, because the irresponsible own/are the central planners.

Most of these media money guys are one way or another just talking their books, but sometimes they accidentally say something of value.

I do think the USD will be the last player standing in the currrency musical chairs game.  And if it isn't, we'll just blow any ahead of us off the face of the earth, one reason we need to avoid throttling the military too much.  What's coming is not a considerate, play nice world.

Multigenerational old money that has survived similar turmoils has owned PMs, real estate, and fine collectibles, in addition to having some safe liquid money du jour for essentials as the messes have played out.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:36 | 3316276 IamtheREALmario
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Don't be stupid! The parasite class needs the savings class' money! So hand it over or we will drone you.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 01:32 | 3316367 goldbear1974
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Rogers was a big buyer of gold from 350-650.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 02:15 | 3316415 TNTARG
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fellows americans, can you provide us some information about

ObamaCare Bill HR 3962?

Has this bill passed? The "device" "to be implanted" is chip RFID?

Sorry to ask, but people keep telling me about it.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:32 | 3316447 newengland
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O'bomba passed the NDAA which allows indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, so you can assume that he is a Nazi who would brand anyone in the name of his slave master gangsta bankstas who funded the German Nazis, and imported their favorites to the U.S.A. after WWII.

No one ordinary can know for sure whether the Nazi RFID is implanted in the Obamacare decree. There is no clear mention of it in the mainstream news or information for citizens. Typical Nazi tactics. Confuse and conquer.

America: enslaved by O'bomba.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 09:14 | 3316667 TNTARG
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In this document:

http://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

(Which I don't know if it's correct, if it's the bill approved, but has been appointed to me as being such).

there are many references to "medical devices" as in here:

‘‘(1) M EDICAL DEVICE .—The term ‘medical device’ means any device (as defined in section 201(h) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act) intended for humans.
Has it passed? Or it's  H.R.3590 the one passed?
Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:40 | 3317482 hardcleareye
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A medical device can include items such as a pace makers, blood pressure monitors, thermometer, breast implants, hearing aids etc etc etc...........

(Sadly shaking head.............)

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:43 | 3317313 DosZap
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Forget it, it's BS.You want to see the total overthrow of the US gub?.This subject would be more HOT than the budget deficit, or GUNS issues.

No way MOST Americans would ever submit.

Even if it meant ZERO Healthcare for them.

There is a provison now in place ( in Ogoober Careless) that records are transferred and kept electronically to .gub.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 02:56 | 3316444 judejin
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liars hate truthers. bankers(fiat) hate gold and silver. 

it's lies and make-believe shows all over the world.

when they kill off all the truthers, what do they have left? zombies liars will start eating each other until the earth becomes as deserted and barren as the egyptian pyramids.

modern skycrapers are not as strong as the pyramids to withstand sandstorms and hurricanes. dubai, after 1000 years, will be wiped out without a trace.

those evil forces behind the 911 plot are planning for much bigger attacks on humanity to promote their evil agenda of NWO. they're offsprings of the Huguenot sect, the communist extremists(exiles) from the old continent in 17 and 18th.

the worst is yet to come.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:12 | 3316460 woolybear1
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jimmy and his fucking bow tie, he has not said anything worthwhile for years. I wish would keep his trap shut and quit spouting off about how great it is that his kids are learning chinese. Those people are going down he drain, anyone learning chinese is a fool.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:21 | 3316463 newengland
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No savings = no economy = no money for your sort. 

seemples.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:57 | 3316520 Rogue Trooper
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Arrrh, the Idiocracy! 'They' had to arrive here eventually.

Sighs...

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:34 | 3316472 jack stephan
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We're all allowed a 'federally allocated recommended daily allowance of pussy'.

Don't count this one, just everyone eventually sounds like stanhope.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:56 | 3316485 newengland
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You have been had, done, turned over, shafted by O'bomba, the poor deluded boy of a slut whose crypto communist parents of CIA zionist persuasion had 'friends' that 'helped' the boy to endure child abuse with drugs, and paid him off by giving him a very privileged 'education', whereby he became a charmer...for them and their freak ways to use for their Nazi agenda. There he is: an empty suit, doing as he is told, as per usual.  end of story.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:23 | 3316496 Kirk2NCC1701
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"USD... going down against what?"  Against the Chinese Yuan, duh!

The majority of CB's are beholden to the Fed, and the Fed plans to use its muscle as part of America's geopolitical objective.  In the case of China, the Fed's goals are:  1. Inflate its way out of Chinese debt, and 2. Force inflation upon its nearest super-rival, China, and thus precipitate economic and social unrest -- to weaken and destabilize China.

/Guys, this is transparent and straight forward stuff, not quantum or string theory. /sarc

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 05:05 | 3316521 newengland
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Chairsatan will win the currency war by his print fest. Every ordinary person will lose.

Fortunate investors will defy the Fed. Buy gold, silver, land, agriculture, commodities.

As the private banks who own the Fed are doing.

Pet.

Does it not occur to you that it is wrong to ruin ordinary, innocent, hardworking people who do you no harm?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:30 | 3316768 Manipuflation
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Why do you always have to be so negative newengland?

/sarc turned up to 11

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 05:13 | 3316529 pcrs
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'we are wiping out'

If you talk of we in the negative, stop doing it. If it is not you doing it, then say

"they are wiping out savings"

The slave identifying himself with his ruler. The Stockholm syndrome.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 05:51 | 3316548 Helvetico
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Yes, monetary policy is eroding buying power, but concentration of wealth in the hands of the few kills consumer spending. One guy making a million per year won't buy as much food, gasoline and clothing as twenty people making 50K per year.

Take it from an successful entrepreneur: the rich aren't wealth creators, consumers are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIhOXCgSunc

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 12:37 | 3317043 riphowardkatz
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your argument is so flawed.

first you are right the rich aren't wealth creators. people who produce more than they consumef, rich poor and in-between, are wealth creators. 

your use of the word consumer is just stupid. people who consume must produce something to consume. there isnt some group callled "consumer" that does not also produce, unless those people are stealing. then they are thieves, which there are a lot of these days.

and I am sure this mythical group you call consumers could make an iphone or car engine or harness nuclear energy. based on how flawed your argument is I can only surmize that you are an idiot

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:21 | 3317256 Helvetico
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Yeah, there's no such thing as the service industry. Thanks for clearing up that misconception for me, genius. Since you've got a stranglehold on the truth, explain to me how producers stay in business without consumers to sell their iPhones to.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:32 | 3317649 riphowardkatz
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Service providers can be producers. I never indicated they couldn't. stop making stuff up.  A lawyer can produce a document that allows two people to enter into a contract, an accountant can produce financial information that helps someone produce something more efficiently and a mauseus can produce relaxation that  makes a person more productive and on and on.

Producers stay in business by selling stuff to other people who produce stuff OR by selling stuff to other people who steal stuff (ie bankers and welfare recipients and governments) OR to people who  have been given money by people who produce stuff like children, charities, borrowers etc.

Got it?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 07:48 | 3316586 poldark
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Mussolini described fascism as, when the power of government and large corporations merge and that is where we are at now. We have a fascist world government. Most central banks are now acting as one. They are not printing money to debase their own currency they are simply doing it provide liquidity throughout the world. We will soon have a world central bank and a world currency. The price of gold/silver, oil, grain, stockmarkets etc. is being manipulated by the 'world' central bank. Multi-national companies are acting as world wealth distributors with the aid of the banks. RBS, 80% owned by the British taxpayer lent Kraft $1bn to make a hostile takeover of Cadbury, a profitable well run company who were known as excellent employers. Kraft then started to move production to Poland. Another old British company, Twinings moved production to Poland with EU incentives partly paid by the British taxpayer. Twinings moved production from Middlesborough, which has the highest unemployment in the country.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:54 | 3316641 shovelhead
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If you twats would put down the cuppa and get to work, maybe my tin of Coleman's mustard wouldn't cost almost $5.00.

And tell those pricks to put back the tin lid instead of that fucking plastic plug. :)

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:26 | 3316608 Manipuflation
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Found this site in my bookmarks as I was cleaning up some files.  Haven't accomplished much since.  Good historical data here.  Not sure about the projections. 

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 09:06 | 3316656 smacker
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Excellent article describing what's going on.

 

Many indebted people, and property owners who now have their mortgage rates reduced by zirp and government 'special offers' at the expense of prudent savers, are people who put little or no deposit down (100% or even 120% mortgages of property value were commonplace in the UK housing boom), failed to carry out due diligence when they bought a property, failed to ensure they have sufficient back-stop in their finances if and when rates went up, AND in many cases were simply and greedily climbing on board a 'capital profit gravy train' which was already heading for the buffers, if only they had done their homework and could have seen it.

Those who were not one of the above often took their mortgages out when rates were much higher and therefore would not be in dire straits if interest rates were now normalised.

Governments now have the balls and obscene arrogance to justify zirp policies by referring to all these people collectively as homeowners 'at risk of negative equity' if they aren't given help with their housing costs and repayments via zirp.

In the UK, the plight of prudent savers and investors is never mentioned by any politician (including Labour Luvvies) nor MSM (most of whom are stuffed full of the very same people now benefitting from zirp).

As this and other articles rightly say, the political and CB filth are punishing the good guys for the actions of the bad guys.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:21 | 3316753 ak_khanna
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The incomes of the middle class are falling because the politicians elected by them make rules for the benefit of and work for the real rulers of the world, the top richest 1% of the population and the major contributors to their election fund.

They bail out the bankers and the rich corporatio­­­­­­­­­ns (who should not be in business because of their incompeten­­­­­­­­­ci­e­s­) without even changing their previous management because they fund the election campaigns and also place them in their organisati­­­­­­­­­on­s at exorbitant salaries once they leave office. This class alongwith the rich individual­­­­­­­­­s pay the minimum amount of tax while getting the maximum benefit of the tax collected from the rest of the population in the form of bailouts.

The rest of the population is least of their concerns. The only activity they do is pacify the majority of the population using false statistics and promises of a better future so that they do not lynch them and their masters while they are robbing the taxpayers.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article35345.html
www.letstalkmoney2012.in

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3316827 Oldwood
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All you have to do to ensure that bad things happen is to make it pay.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:04 | 3316839 U4 eee aaa
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Savers tend to be older folks. Those with not a long life to live and nothing much to lose. For many of them, going to jail would probably get them better fed, better health care and free TV and no one is going to want to poke them when they drop the soap in the shower.

Add to that the fact that many of these modern weapons are much easier to fire than they were a few generations ago.

It is sad that our 'brilliant' central planners can not use logic and add two and two in regards to where this is going. You kick the poor, the old and the downtrodden and, psychologically, at some point, what choice will these people have?

They won't be shooting at their fellow citizens....unless they get in the way.....and that is not likely to happen. Everyone wants the mess cleaned up for them. At some point, someone is going to take it upon themselves to clean up the mess and many more may join in the mayhem

Simple logic

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:41 | 3316918 moneybots
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"...but if such coordinated action isn't successfully undertaken to extend what everyone knows is a Pyramid Scheme, massive economic disharmony always..."

 

1+1 ALWAYS = 2.  All Ponzie schemes fail.  What happens when an extended bubble bursts?  So succefully  extending the Ponzie scheme is of what value?  The bigger the boom, the bigger the bust.  Germany sidestepped the correction followng WW1.  In 1923 they crashed harder than those who corrected for the excesses of the WW1 era.  Sidestepping the .com era correction by creating a housing bubble, made things worse in 2008.

There is never any getting around the math and trying to do so makes things worse when the math catches up wit the fraud that was intened to get around the math.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 12:17 | 3317004 dscott8186
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I own gold and silver and precious metals. I own all commodities, which is a better way to play as they debase currencies.


 


Well yes, savers should diversify their portfolio.  Savings should never ever be considered as money only parked in a bank savings account or CD.  Mr. Rogers' concern should be directed to those who haven't yet figured out that paradigm. Banks are not the only game in town and they certainly to my experience do a crappy job of IRA handling.


 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 12:48 | 3317061 Downtoolong
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Central planners' policies are punishing the prudent in favor of rescuing the irresponsible.

And continuing to subsidize (bail out) and enrich those who already control all the levers, knobs, and dials.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 19:38 | 3318009 robnume
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My Uncle Jim is Always right!

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