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South Dakota Signs 'Gun In Every Classroom' Bill

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South Dakota is the first state, since the Newtown tragedy, to enact a law allowing teachers to carry guns in school. As Fox News reports, Governor Dennis Daugaard signed the bill that allows school districts to arm teachers and other personnel. Unsurprisingly, the measure prompted intense debate as many feared it "could make schools more dangerous, lead to accidental shootings," and potentially put guns into untrained hands, as well as previously dismissed by Education Secretary Arne Duncan as "a marketing opportunity" for the industry to sell more guns. South Dakota, apparently, doesn't stand alone on this issue (Utah has allowed teachers to wear concealed weapons for 12 years) but as Washington pushes forward on its gun control legislation, other states including Georgia, New Hampshire, and Kansas are working on similar measures. Rep. Scott Craig - the bill's main sponsor - has received support from rural districts who do not have the funds for full-time law enforcement. While the Great Depression promised a 'chicken in every pot', our current repression appears to be heading towards a 'gun in every classroom'.


Interesting discussion of - Who are the 'Gun Guys'?


Via Fox News,

South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard on Friday signed a bill allowing teachers to carry guns in school, making his state the first to enact such a law since the Newtown shooting tragedy.


The bill was pushed by gun-rights supporters who say arming teachers could help prevent tragedies ...




But the measure prompted intense debate in the capital, as several representatives of school boards, school administrators and teachers opposed the bill during committee testimony last month. They said the measure could make schools more dangerous, lead to accidental shootings and put guns in the hands of people who are not adequately trained to shoot in emergency situations.




In South Dakota, main bill sponsor Rep. Scott Craig, R-Rapid City, said earlier this week that he has received messages from a growing number of school board members and administrators who back it. Craig said rural districts do not have the money to hire full-time law officers, so they are interested in arming teachers or volunteers.


South Dakota doesn't stand alone on this issue. For a dozen years, Utah has allowed teachers and others with concealed carry licenses to wear a gun in a public school.




The measure does not force a district to arm its teachers and would not force teachers to carry a gun.


On Monday, the South Dakota House voted 40-19 to accept the Senate version of the bill, which added a requirement that a school district must decide in a public meeting whether to arm teachers and others. Another Senate amendment allowed school district residents to push a school board's decision to a public vote.


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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:51 | 3315042 RacerX
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Interesting how this author views guns as essentially "a right the government allows us"--ie: a "privelege". Completely misunderstands the founding principals of this country, with respect to the "right to keep, and bear, arms".

".. the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

But that really cuts to the heart of the issue--whether ownership is a "right" or a "privelege".

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:01 | 3315061 akak
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It is only autocrats, of every stripe, who like to divert thoughts and conversation to the concept of "privleges" (granted by them, of course) rather than fundamental rights.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:06 | 3315252 Manthong
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If the natural right to carry a firearm had not been so egregiously infringed upon over the last 80 years (go back to NFA), NONE of this crap would be an issue because the crazies and criminals would have been stopped in their tracks and would be copy cats would not want to be similarly stifled in their acting out or crime.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:38 | 3316203 Harlequin001
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'But that really cuts to the heart of the issue--whether ownership is a "right" or a "privelege".'

Oh that's easy, its a priviledge for those that can demonstrate the responsibility to own one safely.

It's a bit like not being allowed to 'own' nuclear weapons or dirty bombs.

Society has rules so it can function, not every nut job should have a right to own one.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 02:37 | 3316429 Overfed
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WTF kind of drugs are you on? A firearm, even a belt-fed machinegun, hell, even a BOFORS is a far cry from a nuke. Only an idiot would make that comparison.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:29 | 3316467 Harlequin001
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Oh I get it, so you don't think you should have to demonstrate some semblence of responsibility before you are allowed to hold bofors and belt fed machine guns or any other kind of weapon in society then? How about hand grenades then, for the somewhat less steady of hand amongst us?

There's certainly one idiotic statement here, and it isn't mine.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:35 | 3316510 AldousHuxley
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so punks can now shoot teachers with their own guns....


farmers don't need education.


communist russians sent college professors to farms to work.



Sun, 03/10/2013 - 10:21 | 3316754 dark pools of soros
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Was that after they starved the Kulaks to death?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:03 | 3315255 redpill
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It does make schools more dangerous........














....for cowardly psychopaths trying to go on a shooting spree.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:21 | 3315468 Supernova Born
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How will the media fully cover the dead psycho's manifesto when there is a pesky "hero teacher" competing for airtime?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:48 | 3315533 DoChenRollingBearing
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Indeed.  Crickets is probably all we will hear.  Poor CNN, it will burn them up to have to cover the "hero teacher".

As a bonus, that might relieve us of the pesky Piers Morgan...


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:33 | 3316191 Harlequin001
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The chances of my being shot in my school were zero because guns were banned. Period.

The answer is not to arm teachers but to enforce a ban on guns in school.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 00:44 | 3316340 Overfed
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That's comedy gold there!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 03:49 | 3316481 Harlequin001
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You don't seem to have anything of any worth to say...

If you think the answer to kids taking guns to school is to arm teachers then you really are a first class fucking tool...

I don't know about owning guns but people like you shouldn't even be allowed the fucking vote.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 07:44 | 3318786 Dradzk
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Again the question is, do criminals follow gun laws?  No they don't.  Before we go further, are guns in of themselves bad?  Obviously not.  Consider the following; is sex bad because people get raped?  Or because there are child molesters?  Unless your desire is for the extinction of the human race your answer has to be ‘no’.  Certain people take something that is good and use it in a way to harm others.  In order to stop sexual assaults, how about we make a law saying you must get a permit to have sex?  And you can only have it in certain areas.  And ban different people groups from it.  That would take care of all our problems wouldn't it!  Please.  Same principle applies to guns.  The logic should be easy to follow.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:11 | 3316852 northerngirl
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I remember not all that long ago, (1970's), when students, (Guys), would bring their shot guns to school so they could go hunting after school.  The guns where in the students lockers or in the Principals office, and nobody had a problem with that.  They did not turn their weapons on fellow students or teachers.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:31 | 3315157 TBT or not TBT
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A state bill is required in order to override the stupid federal gun free ( nut case free fire) school zone laws. Not that long ago schools had shooting as a sport and teenagers had their guns, THEIR guns, in their cars/trucks in the parking lot.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:42 | 3315757 spinone
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My grandfather brought his shotgun to school, kept it in his locker, and shot a pheasant for dinner on the way home most every fall evening.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:40 | 3316512 Harlequin001
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Yeah, but were they his pheasants?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:20 | 3316874 apoorboy
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my grandfather went to school sometiems...milked cows, worked in the tobacco, tomato and hay fields, killed chickens and could not read or write for shit. Oh year too poor to afford a gun for school.  Get over it...our grandparents did a lot of shit kids can't do now.


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:31 | 3315158 AnAnonymous
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An 'american' government does not grant the famous 'american' unalienable human rights, but We The People decide whether you are a human being or not.

Not a human being? Not eligible for the 'american' human rights. Simple as that.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:36 | 3315175 akak
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A Communist chinese citizenism government does not grant the famous 'american' unalienable human rights to anyone --- least of all its own subjects.  But We The Chinese Communist Ruling Elite decide whether you are a human being or not, or maybe just a 'foreign devil' ripe for invasion, annexation and blobbing-up, like the Tibetans.

Not a human being? Just a 'foreign devil'?  Not eligible for even the lowliest of what passes for chinese human rights. Simple as that.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:39 | 3315186 AnAnonymous
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Again the tibetans...

With all the countries 'americans' have invaded.

Actually, at this date, very likely, being a country that has not been invaded by 'americans' makes you belong to a select few.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:43 | 3315204 akak
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Hey, if the running-dog imperialist shoe fits .....

But as in all other subjects, ananonymystical inability to self-indict always comes to the fore.

Chineses are resource blobbing-up today beyond all American ability, but you refuse to acknowledge it.  For you, it is only 'Americans' who are to blame for all the ills of the world.  That not only makes you a bigot, it proves that you are retarded.  Too much cadmium and lead in your baby formula?  In toxic, massively polluted China, quite possible.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:35 | 3315362 Teamtc321
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Spot on akak. When IEA changes their model on how to keep track on China oil imports, they will shoot to the top quickly. Alot of supply to China is still not tracked properly.


China to Become the World’s Largest Oil Importer

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:57 | 3315538 DoChenRollingBearing
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Can Chinese citizenism "citizens" have guns blobbing-up?  Or would that be Party members and the PLA only?

Q.E.D.  Ciao!


A corollary: A "citizen" can blob-shit on corner in China without risk of buckshot in butt.  "Freedomism!"

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:46 | 3315761 worbsid
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How much bigger is the United States after all this invading?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:37 | 3315510 Lordflin
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Well AnAnonymous.... given all of the flags down seems that you have been voted out...

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:28 | 3315949 Rusty Diggins
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Chinese citizenism grants the Chinese citezen-ism-ism the absolute right to one bullet.


and a bill to the widow of 0.67 Yuan.... If she did not also have her "right" exercised.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:34 | 3315165 prodigious_idea
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Do you think the mentally ill, who are highly correlated to these types of attacks, are deterred by the fact that we are armed when they arrive?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:40 | 3315193 imbrbing
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I guess we will find out. Question for you. Do you think the outcome will be different if the metally ill show up to an armed resistance?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:25 | 3315488 disabledvet
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i think a better question would be if "teachers aren't qualified to own a handgun who is?" besides the President has been running away from this thing since Day One.
this whole thing REEKS of politics..."enter South Dakota." not the way i would have handled the so called "issue" but hey..."they're the political experts" not me. i've been told "i'm the exact opposite of that" anyways so who cares, right?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:45 | 3315504 Supernova Born
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Yes, cowardly man-children who choose to attack first graders and other students will be deterred, and if not deterred, shot.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:23 | 3315614 disabledvet
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i fail to see the difference between these attacks and the attacks on 9/11 actually. the only discernible difference...and this would have to proven in court of that the 9/11 attacks were a "surprise" ala "lying in wait." i find it difficult not to stress enough how important it is for ALL the authorities investigate these matters to make sure it fits the "lone gunman theory." i'm no expert here either (thank God) but i challenge anyone to determine what the Governor of South Dakota is doing is not his duty "in the absence of all available evidence" actually. And would this not include every other Governor in the Union save for Utah's as well?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:27 | 3316114 prodigious_idea
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You've missed the point regarding mental illness.  Mental illness can always be relied upon to ignore logic and consequence.  But to answer your question, of course the outcome could be different.  Fewer deaths, but at the end of the day we still have mental illness.  The national discussion about guns always fails to separate weapons from mental illness.  Instead, the legislators go for the low hanging fruit by trying to take/restrict guns because they know they can't legislate mental health and trying to otherwise solve the mental illness problem is far too complex.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 09:38 | 3316696 hoos bin pharteen
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Mental illness as defined by whom? Seems to be some correlation between liberalism and mass murder.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:40 | 3315194 ImReady
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Possibly not, but hopefully they will be taken out (at least in SD and Utah)  before they can kill dozens of innocent people. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:58 | 3315238 fonestar
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Let's call a spade a spade; the alleged Newton CT massacre


When you resort to using your enemies language, logic, inflections and mannerisms the battle becomes a rout.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:08 | 3315274 Room 101
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It doesn't much matter if they do, the issue is whether those who are would-be victims are allowed to have the tools necessary to defend themselves. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:13 | 3315296 Pairadimes
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Your comment makes the strongest case for South Dakota's actions. The question becomes, should the shooter be immediately met with armed resistance, or should that occur nine minutes later (national average) when the police arrive?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:22 | 3315325 quid pro quo
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In the case of Newtown, unlikely.  Better question to be asking is why didn't a seemingly responsible adult keep her weapons SECURED from her mentally ill son? 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:11 | 3315582 nmewn
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A better question would be, what kind of psychiatric drugs did some quack prescribe for him that allowed him to shoot his own mother in the face while she slept?

Then ask the same question of those two little retards at Columbine...then ask again...well, you begin to put two & two together.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:33 | 3315847 FeralSerf
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So far I've seen no credible evidence he killed her, just a bunch of MSM and sheepherder bullshit.

I have seen some evidence that strongly suggests he didn't kill her though.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:13 | 3315917 nmewn
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Some "credible evidence" or just hearsay?

Please don't tell me its just the jooos again or some murderous half baked plot hatched by the always "honorable progressives" among us to ban some other part or our liberty & freedom ;-)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:44 | 3315968 Bingfa
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That's just it....You never really know.

Fact or fiction? The line is very blurred....

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:27 | 3315491 Mr. Magniloquent
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Allegedly, the Sandy Hook shooter killed himself the moment police arrived. In other words, the moment he was confronted by someone else with a gun. The police didn't even have to do their job. Regardless, a bullet answering a murderer is better served by a private citizen in the first 30 seconds of shooting than 15 minutes and 9 corpses later by the police.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:52 | 3315772 spinone
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There's a big difference between having a gun and using it effectively in close quarters, especially in a school.  For example, how will they tell the difference between the shooter and a substitute teacher with a gun?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:07 | 3315796 post turtle saver
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by the time those dumbasses show up a few armed teachers will have a ventilated corpse hanging from a lamp post...

"when seconds count, the police are minutes away..."

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:10 | 3315805 spinone
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Let me make it clear I am FOR this law, but the teachers need to train.

The gun is the tool, the man is the weapon.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:05 | 3315902 nmewn
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If I understand this law correctly, they're not FORCING any teacher to carry, they're just saying, if you already have a concealed carry (you've obviously trained) and you're comfortable with bringing it, you can bring it to your place of work...which in this case is a school.

Not much different than running into him/her at the local diner.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:10 | 3316242 Room 101
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By the fact that the shooter has the gun out and is firing it? 

Just a guess.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:08 | 3316490 Chaos_Theory
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The dumpy 30+ year old woman with the black rim glasses and the 5-shot revolver and cankles is the teacher.  The pimply faced 15-29 year old guy in the black trenchcoat shooting a hand cannon is the bad guy target.


Or just show some ROE restraint, you know like yelling "Freeze!  Lower your weapon to the floor, step back with your hands above your head and turn around...good, now kneel down to your knees with your hands still above your head."      as opposed to the militarized SS cops version of "bang bang bang bang bang bang x 200 rounds, followed by "oh shit, it wasn't a gun, it was a wallet!"

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:14 | 3315705 Miffed Microbio...
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Prodigious, there is a high likely they would be deterred. Look at the Oregon mall shooting where an armed citizen aimed his weapon at the shooter ( did not fire because he did not have a clear shot). Just that action caused the man to run off and kill himself. Haven't you noticed that when most of these shooters are confronted with guns they often kill themselves rather than go out in a blaze of glory? Why? I think these people get their jollies shooting defenseless people. They are sick über bullies who are ultimately cowards when challenged. If I were a teacher I would be happy to sport my Glock in class and use it if necessary. By doing so I'm confident I never would have to.


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:05 | 3316008 espirit
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Yaay! I'll up arrow that.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 02:02 | 3316401 Kirk2NCC1701
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Either that or -- God forbid -- preprogrammed (hypnotized) by Psy-Ops to self-destruct, so as to not get captured and unmasked?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:41 | 3315191 Cdad
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The Second Amendment to The Constitution is concise...and crystal clear.  Not only does it clarify that owning firearms is a right, it is quite clear about why the right exists.  Cue Diane Feinstein to explain to us common folk how we do not understand the gun control issue, and how all of this recent attempt to Federally regulate guns is for our own good.

Anyone want to "throw the bums out" yet?


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:33 | 3315635 The Heart
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"Anyone want to "throw the bums out" yet?"

This is a note that had to be written to give this excellent and educative report a recommendation to read to everyone that it can reach. If the whole country was not close to some kind of emergency situation, it could be easily discounted. It is knowledge and education that has saved America in the past, and it will be knowledge and education that saves Americas future.

As more and more people realize exactly what is going on, and why there is this mad rush to have gun control in the face of it being anti-constitutional and un-American, the real criminals are being exposed at the top of the corrupted ladder.

Please take some time to read this very informative and educational report. At the end it offers valid and real answers to the real problems America has. Please, let there be no differences between neighbors and country folks. We are all Americans and we all value our freedoms and liberty. If we all can easily and plainly see who and what the real enemy is, then maybe our leadership can also pick up on and use these answers to save the country. We all can come together for the sake of America.

Pass this on to all your friends and neighbors. Everyone has a right to know who and what is Killing America.

May God bless you and yours...may God bless America.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 21:08 | 3316017 espirit
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Feinswine belongs back in the sty, along with the other pos's.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:05 | 3315262 yrbmegr
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So why, then, can we not bring guns into the legislature?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:11 | 3315290 Room 101
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Depends on the state.  In some you can. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:40 | 3315863 overbet
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I just dont understand why people are sooooo afraid of guns. They are no more a danger to ending life than many other things we use daily including cars, knives, fire, monsanto seeds, and so on. If you are careful and respect the tool you use guns are no more dangerous than any of these other things. I see old people driving 15 in a 45 making everyone road rage and teenagers doing 60 in a 25 but nobodys screaming about being more restrictive about drivers licenses. Get over it already because youre not stopping shit.  I am a 100% law abiding citizen but if guns are outlawed I will still have guns and probably more of them so fuck you.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 22:37 | 3316197 Harlequin001
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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:51 | 3315043 Non Passaran
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Good, this will both save lives and preserve freedoms.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:23 | 3315126 FeralSerf
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Plus now the kiddies won't need to smuggle their guns into school in their lunch bags.  They can just "borrow" one from the teach if they need one.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:26 | 3315143 rustymason
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The kiddies will probably prefer their own Transformer semiautos and Hello Kitty derringers to the Teacher's old fashioned revolver or oversized .45 ACP, which are way uncool.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:33 | 3315161 AnAnonymous
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Better for them to come in with something solid.

Kids playing with plastic guns will be left with nothing to return fire when the 'american' teacher shoots at them, 'thinking' a dangerous firefight is occuring.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:35 | 3315508 RSBriggs
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There are no students playing with plastic guns.  Even taking the wrong bites out of a pastrty so that it has three uneven sections gets you suspended for "traumatizing your classmates" with something resembling the shape of a gun these days.  And plastic guns have red plugs, and, of course, you are a fucking Chinese idiot who probably has never seen a gun except for pictures of one on the internet.


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:10 | 3315286 Room 101
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Looks like anti-gun idiots abound on ZH today.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:44 | 3315759 Bingfa
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+1     They're doing such a good job running THEIR life...

They just can't stop from helping us run OUR life....


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:24 | 3315131 Chupacabra-322
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Most intelligent thing to do since the idea of sliced bread.  Finally, common sense prevails.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:02 | 3315427 Freddie
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AmeriKKKans are all liabilities on the balance sheet of USAA Obummer Corporatoion LLC AG NV Inc. LTD.  These liabilities have no rights and can be used for drone practice.  that is all.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:52 | 3315044 Xibalba
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Oops, this is not what Feinstein had intended.....

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:25 | 3315138 Chupacabra-322
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Exactly!  Those school districts are now protected from Government sponsered False Flag terrorism. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:47 | 3315217 A Nanny Moose
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...nor had she envisioned a 3-D printable, AK47 magazine named after her.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3315409 Teamtc321
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Listen the what the lying, Alinsky Tactics gun grabber had to say yesterday.


"“The time has come, America, to step up and ban these weapons. The other very important part of this bill is to ban large capacity ammunition feeding devices, those that hold more than 10 rounds. We have federal regulations and state laws that prohibit hunting ducks with more than three rounds. And yet it’s legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines. Limiting magazine capacity is critical because it is when a criminal, a drug dealer, a deranged individual has to pause to change magazines and reload that the police or brave bystanders have the opportunity to take that individual down.”



Is it me or did the gun grabber just step in a pile of her own shit? Unreal that anyone would even pay any attention to this forked tongue.


Gun Free zones and unarmed brave bystanders should ring a bell Mrs. Democratic Senator.  

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:07 | 3315574 Chupacabra-322
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This Fascist is just a False Narrative rambling idiot.  Since when is hunting humans legal.  Perhaps it's legal for our Illegitamate Criminal Federal Government but for us mere Slaves it's Murder. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:29 | 3315625 nmewn
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"And yet it’s legal to hunt humans with..." is Senator Di-Fi, in what state?

Is there a strictly enforced bag limit too? What happens when they go over the limit, do you fine them?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:05 | 3315687 FeralSerf
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No bag limit, but you are normally required to be a "Club Member".

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:20 | 3315716 nmewn
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Good point...I guess being a Club Member (a senator) requires saying stupid shit all the time...this one puts her right up there with Crazy Uncle Joe (Biden) and his thoughtfully considered legal advice to American citizens to blast away off the balcony & through closed matter who is behind said door or disregarding who's property your buckshot lands. 

I think we've identified another person (along with Joe) who is unqualified to own a firearm...this one thinks its legal to hunt humans,

This whole gun debate seems to be flushing them out in droves...its better than any background check ;-)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:01 | 3315047 Blazed
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"Unsurprisingly, the measure prompted intense debate as many feared it "could make schools more dangerous, lead to accidental shootings,"

More accidents, that is what they are concerned with? Since the article mentions Utah is already 12 years into this policy, how many "accidents" have they had where applied. My guess would be ZERO, but then they have some unique demographics compared to most states.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:17 | 3315311 Room 101
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Facts never enter the debate for the hoplophobes.  This is oddly reminiscent of the debate for shall issue concealed carry.  In every state where it was proposed, the anti-gun morons were screaming that blood would run in the streets if mere serfs were allowed to carry concealed firearms. 

About 45 states later, the blood in the streets on the part of concealed handgun permitholders has yet to materialize.  Different day, same old tired bullshit.   

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 08:08 | 3316600 Svendblaaskaeg
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Blased, Thank You much for posting, that video was pure Gold! - a gun is always loaded, every time you touch a gun, mag out, slide back, look in the chamber, close the slide, put in mag, never point a gun on anything you dont want to shoot - dont be a know-it-all-smartass like this DEA Agent

(DEA Agent shoots himself in the foot during a speech on gun safety.)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:55 | 3315049 little buddy bu...
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another bad idea...pass the popcorn..

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3315431 Kirk2NCC1701
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You may be an idiot, but you most certainly are uninformed.  Ditto for all those posts below that are variations on your uninformed theme.

In Israel this exact problem was solved in this exact manner:  Arms the teachers.  Guess how many attacks they had in schools after that?  No idea, no clue, no?  Lemme help you out, little buddy:  NONE.

This actually works.  Unless, of course, American teachers can't be trusted to have guns -- the way the Israeli teachers can be trusted.  /sarc

A mind may be a terrible thing to waste, but an uninformed mind is a terrible waste of time for everyone else.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:19 | 3315473 Jack Burton
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Israelis really are the master race then. So superior to the rest of us.

I never tire of hearing of their superiority and their god chosen status compared to the "god cursed non-jews, like us Swedes, who are heathen and not of the right breed. I got news for our Israeli master race. We can shoot just as good as you, and we build our own fighter jets that will match your American handouts any day of the week. Though we do not have nuclear weapons targets on Europe and the Middle East. So maybe Israel is a master race afterall. They have the nukes and they have the finger on the trigger. They decide we all die, we all die. Not that i am content with this situation.

Israel has nothing to do with guns policy in America. We are not their pupils.

A bit of sarc here. But I truely am sick of being lectured about Israel superiority in every aspect compared to non-jews, like me.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:28 | 3316418 Kirk2NCC1701
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'Hej du', for clarification: I was not inferring anything one way or another about the Israelis. I used it as an example that 'arming the teachers' actually works. Note also my sarc comment, which is aimed at the pathetic MSM.

p.s. Like the new Gripen your guys in Linkoping got cooking and planning to build.  40, 60, or 80?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:19 | 3315715 sagelike
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And I bet most of those teachers have military training.

Honestly, I doubt you are much better informed and probably haven't really fact checked yourself or done any analysis to determine if there are other circumstance which may be the true cause of few or no attacks in Isreali schools.

Different culture, far different circumstances.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 18:24 | 3315729 Miffed Microbio...
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Agreed Kirk! Unfortunately I do have some trepidations having teachers in America armed due to the fact the majority are heavily indoctrinated in liberal ideology and , therefore, unable to grasp the idea for having one let alone use one. I have hope SD might be a good place to start.


Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:14 | 3316494 Chaos_Theory
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Hadn't thought of that angle...will one nut-job lefty teacher take out Johny for writing a term paper on President's Day that praises Ronny Reagan?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:55 | 3315050 machineh
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Do your homework ... or I'll pop ya, punk!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:58 | 3315054 Hotmustard
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The Gun range I go to is a very diverse crowd, everyone is polite.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:09 | 3315074 pan
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Having immigrated to the US, I must admit the most honest and well behaved crowd I've met, are the rednecks!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:35 | 3315171 prodigious_idea
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Please define redneck

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:43 | 3315387 Manipuflation
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Me.  I am a redneck.  Search my screen name on google and maybe you will finally figure it out.   

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:34 | 3315164 TBT or not TBT
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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:38 | 3315184 prodigious_idea
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You're in a crowd of people, armed with weapons, ammo and the intent to shoot, and you seem surprised by their politeness.  What a pointless post.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:29 | 3315347 SubjectivObject
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Don't be so hard on the guy.  Though he does state the obvious, you would agree that it is not a pointless precedent? 


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:40 | 3315376 Manipuflation
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"What a pointless post."

Hotmustard's post was a good post just FYI.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 13:59 | 3315057 akak
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No personal self-defense left behind.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:02 | 3315062 Tsar Pointless
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Yes! So more wanten bloodshed and dead children!

Amerikkka! Fuck, yeah!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:37 | 3315177 edb5s
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Begging the question

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:35 | 3315356 Manipuflation
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Jesus Christ Tsar.  I thought you were better than that.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:14 | 3315591 Eng7
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Tsar, Americans are just batshit brainwashed crazies. Allowing everyone to own a gun is just like nuclear MAD. In australia, you used to be able able to buy guns at Kmart, now it is very rare for anyone to have guns. The amount of gun related death is a fraction of Americas, as is our prison pop. Well I suppose the upside s it being a form of population control.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:38 | 3315861 nmewn
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Your overall crime rate up or down since banning guns?

Maybe you should ban hammers and knives still can get those unthinking, immobile tools called knives at the local Kmart there?

Why yes, yes you can...and in "scary black" too ;-)

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:40 | 3315921 Teamtc321
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Do lying gun grabbers think that everyone is just plain stupid? Facts never support your comments. Across the board crime rates have sky rocketed since the gun ban in 96'. I am not for sure if you gun grabbers really believe the shit you spew or if you just choose to practice the old an worn out Alinsky Tactics on every breath. 

Australia is a prime example of why Americans should just cringe at you gun grabbers.




Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime
has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun
control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be
like if Congress ever bans firearms.

After Australian lawmakers passed widespread gun bans, owners were
forced to surrender about 650,000 weapons, which were later slated for

The bans were not limited to so-called “assault” weapons or
military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort
cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association
representative Keith Tidswell.

Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer
country, the nation’s crime statistics tell a different story:


  • Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;


  • Assaults are up 8.6 percent;


  • Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;


  • In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed
    300 percent;


  • In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been
    dropping steadily;


  • There has been a reported “dramatic increase” in home burglaries
    and assaults on the elderly.





I would like to point out to you gun grabbers before you try to divert the article, just search FOR THE FACTS on how violent grimes blew through the roof after the ban.


Here, let me help you gun grabbers with a link below. Your so called safer for the collective argument is a complete lie!! Embrace the facts and move on over to the bright side!


Buy Silver and Gold and Lock and Load.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 07:58 | 3316594 Eng7
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Gosh, you didn't even think to check snopes before you posted that dribble.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 09:14 | 3316668 Punch Bag
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Listen Closely 321......NEVER try to use Australia to develop or promote your radical pro-gun agenda.

We in Australia do not have a gun culture or a gun problem.

We do not have military firearms in the hands of the general public.

Australians don't want a gun problem.

Look elsewhere for rubbish facts. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 11:05 | 3316841 Teamtc321
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Punch Bag and Eng7;


First off punch bag. You have Zero credibility promoting American gun control laws when you worthless ass is from Australia. 2nd you need to get your facts correct, almost as bad as when you posted how our Bill of Rights was written almost a century ago on another one of your gun grabbing post you moron. 3rd your side kick eng7 started the comparison with Australia control conversation from above. Hint, go look, follow the indention down your screen to track how the debate flows you paid to post gun grabbing genius.

Eng7since you Alinsky Tactic worshipors do all you can to divert a argument, if you will go back to look, your divertion has already been debunked prior to your snoops post. Just go to my post and pick another article from the search link I shared already.


Epic fail on both of your rebuttles for all to see, again. Next? Or are you to busy reading your Alinsky Rules for Radicals hand out?



Mon, 03/11/2013 - 05:48 | 3318680 Eng7
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Gosh, and if you Wikipedia gun deaths by country, you lead us by 10:1. Thats right, for every 10 deaths per capita, we have 1. You gun loving yanks are blinkered morons when it comes to your love of weapons and violence.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 18:26 | 3317873 Poor Grogman
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John Howard was a chicken hawk. He promoted "pre-emtive " strikes in other countries, if there was alleged "terrorist activities" but at the same time declared that guns were "evil" and removed the ability of australians to defend themselves against the same overhyped terrorist threat.

He cynically carried out his pet gun-grabbing agenda on the back of the port arthur massacre, while the country was still in mourning over the tragedy.

Don't even try to include "Australians" in your anti gun imaginary worldveiw.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 05:38 | 3316538 Poor Grogman
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"now it is very rare for anyone to have guns"

Clearly you are retarded...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:06 | 3320327 Eng7
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I see your reading comprehension is lacking. "Since the gun buy back, gun deaths have halved and there have been no mass shootings in 16 years". So are you proud that per capita 10 North Americans die to every 1 Australian?

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 20:00 | 3324319 Poor Grogman
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Using your logic we should ban cars and trucks to lower hit and run accidents as well.

As central government forces individuals within society to give up many of their firearms, crime stats reflect a changing pattern of behavior in response. This is expected and natural. A careful analysis of the stats however will reveal something more sinister than simply the apparent decline in gun homicides, what is revealed is that the nature of crime is changing.

More crime against persons, and less crime against property. More home invasion, assaults, etc.

To put it simply, ordinary people are more threatened and more vulnerable. It was said at the time of John (chicken hawk) Howard, gun
grab, that "once guns are criminalized only criminals will have guns" .

Unfortunately that's exactly what seems to be happening

2000 crime stats wa

2012 crime stats WA

Oh and I wouldn't mention the lack of mass shootings either unless you want to talk about the NZ stats as well and open a real worm can.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 06:04 | 3325243 Eng7
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We are talking about guns here, not general violence. Proliferation of guns allow easy death. A punch in an angry domestic moment may have a 5% chance of serious injury, but a gun will almost be 100%. You didn't answer my claim of GUN deaths being 10 times more prevalent in the USA.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 06:26 | 3325253 Poor Grogman
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You cannot have an argument about guns by themselves ay more than you can have an argument about shovels or crowbars by themselves, all of them, guns shovels and crowbars are all tools created by man to perform a specific role.

You must talk about the various roles of the tool to determine how effectively it serves it's role.

Guns are a political and social tool that alter societies power structure, as such they must be discussed in that context.

Discussing only gun deaths, is like discussing only, car deaths.
It neglects the useful role that the car plays and does not allow you to judge it's usefulness.

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 07:07 | 3325272 bunnyswanson
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It is not a good time.  "Never disarm during a coup" is what my mother always said.

Brink of Civil War

Forbes ran a piece titled 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It’s Time For A National Conversation by Ralph Benko . Benko was kinder to Napolitano than most conservative bloggers have been. He feels it’s unthinkable that Homeland Security would buy enough hollow point ammo to kill every man, woman and child in the country five times, so they could kill everyone in the country five times over.. He pointed out that according to Homeland Security’s own figures, that’s a little over a 100 year supply for training and routine operations..

In fact he pointed out a lot of things, here’s an excerpt

Spending money this way is beyond absurd well into perverse. According to the AP story a DHS spokesperson justifies this acquisition to “help the government get a low price for a big purchase.” Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center: “The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.”

At 15 million rounds (which, in itself, is pretty extraordinary and sounds more like fun target-shooting-at-taxpayer-expense than a sensible training exercise) … that’s a stockpile that would last DHS over a century. To claim that it’s to “get a low price” for a ridiculously wasteful amount is an argument that could only fool a career civil servant.

Meanwhile, Senator Diane Feinstein, with the support of President Obama, is attempting to ban 100 capacity magazine clips. Doing a little apples-to-oranges comparison, here, 1.6 billion rounds is … 16 million times more objectionable

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 07:25 | 3325296 bunnyswanson
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Do you perhaps live in a parallel universe, where everything is beautiful?  Because where I am, there are mean people, crazy people, desperate people, addicted people and people who just need to pay a bill and they are willing to do whatever it takes, work, borrow or steal...and there is no work.

There is an American flag on the front of every house on my street where there is a gun in the house.  It's a tradition.  And you know very well that if you end up in that house when the owner is home, there is a good chance you'll not live beyond ripping his TV off the rack on the goddam wall.

Robbers don't leave witnesses.  You have a lot of nerve.  I'd slap you if I could I am so angry.  Having a gun gives a person a sense of confidence and being a victim is a life ruining event.  Rape, home invasion, assault, car jacking, highway robbery, abduction or just a random joy ride by a psychopath walking the streets freely, repeating his habit at the cost of leaving victims who never recover.  And you never do.  You are always wary.  Knife wielding murders are doing fine and well, ENG7.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  US citizens are not killing people.  The crazy people are.  Geesh.  And believe me, Feinstein has a body guard everywhere she goes and he has a gun.  And the guy who is going to grab a young girl who walks down the street, with a gun pointed at her head, is going to never be without his weapon. 

You people exhaust me.  Democratic party has been tainted by a lobby group on a multimillionaire dollar campaign to sway public opinion, hiring public relation groups, actors and actresses, following skits created in brainstorm sessions that focused on the slight-of-hand --- A psyops -- to disarm the US patriots during the collapse of their nation.



Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:04 | 3315067 Peter Pan
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Regardless of the constitutional right to bear arms, there is an even greater right to defend your life.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:36 | 3315167 koncaswatch
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I'm having trouble understanding your point, from my view. First, the right to bear arms is an inalienable right recognized by the constitution; not given by the constitution. Second, the right to defend yourself is also an inalienable right. Both are equal, one is not "greater" than the other.

So, what is your point?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:55 | 3315231 A Nanny Moose
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Rights are merely enumerated in the Constitution. Rights are not granted, nor are the protected by words on a piece of paper.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:00 | 3315242 Peter Pan
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The point I am trying to make is that even if there was no constitutional provision in relation to the bearing of arms, citizens have the right in my view to defend themselves with means that are commensurate with those possessed by those wishing to harm them.

In other words, if would be assailants are generally in possession of fire arms, then citizens are well within their rights to also possess arms even if there is no onstitutional provision.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:13 | 3315301 koncaswatch
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fair enough... now I can up vote your comment

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:38 | 3315182 TBT or not TBT
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The Constitution declares some natural rights, and this is one of them, nestled in there between freedom of expression and no illegal searches or quartering of troops.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:12 | 3315083 They Tried to S...
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As crazy as it may sound to some it crazier that we let people produce young humans, abuse or neglect them? then unleash them into our schools? And onto the other kids in their child forming years? and lastly to then totally disrupt the learning centers and it's operators?


Certainly this a fix for the greater problem....but it's a better alternative than to have big brother takeover everything because we cannot take care of ourselves....


Think about that... 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:57 | 3315553 Cathartes Aura
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not to worry, when the Repubs get their zygote personhood in place, the .gov will have to monitor female fertility - that's from childhood to mid-50's, no female left behind! - so the birth rate should drop substantially.

more jobs for the boys too!  win win!

Wed, 03/13/2013 - 07:37 | 3325306 bunnyswanson
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Car ran off the bridge, into the canal.  Two people inside the submerged car were unable to push open door or roll down windows.  Two homeless people, a couple, living under the bridge came to their rescue, pulling their door open against current, saving their lives.  True story. 

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:11 | 3315085 swissaustrian
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One troll is downvoting every pro-gun post here in this thread.

Reveal yourself, coward!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:24 | 3315132 Bingfa
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Anti-gun people don't have an argument

Listen to the MSM every night, makes you want to puke.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:41 | 3315196 TBT or not TBT
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We should want to puke every night? The trick is, don't buy from their advertisers, or even lend them your eyeballs.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:53 | 3315228 Bingfa
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I agree, we dont have cable or local TV stations.

We either stream from the Internet or use Roku.

You can be more selective

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:21 | 3315322 Room 101
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It's not me: I'm very pro-human rights.  Including the basic human right to self defense. 

Now, if you're curious as to the identity one who is DOWN voting the anti-gun idiots that seem to have congregated on this thread, then that would be me.  

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 15:31 | 3315350 SubjectivObject
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I love the smell of rejection in the morning, smells like ...... victory.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:11 | 3315087 moneybots
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Newton's law in operation.  For each blow there is a blow back.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:16 | 3315103 Seize Mars
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For each blow there is a blow back.


...wait, what?

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:42 | 3315201 TBT or not TBT
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This is deterrence. Concealed carry deters nutcases doing mass shootings in places where concealed carry is allowed. Allow non criminals more use of their guns you get less crime.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:17 | 3315106 RudeBoy
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This is not going to end well for some yet to be determent group of kids in the classroom, where a desperate teacher, unable to make ends meet and is close to losing his/her unappreciated job, being pestered, rediculed and threatened on a daily basis by these spoiled little brats she's trying to educate on behalf of their parents and society, and after a weekend of booze and intense pondering, the next monday morning is going to murders as many students as there are bullets in the handgun he/she was allowed to have in the classroom.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:38 | 3315169 Gringo Viejo
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RudeBoy: The way your mind works and extrapolates events is yet another argument that rational people should own firearms.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:41 | 3315198 HD
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So, what stops this nut job teacher from just giving the kids poisoned cookies? Should the schools have poisoned cookie detectors? The argument is always that having a gun means you're just going to snap and start killing people when life doesn't go your way - RIDICULOUS straw man argument.



Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:47 | 3315213 TBT or not TBT
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Liberals who say this are projecting their thoughts about themselves onto others when they say anyone can snap and start murdering people. They imagine themselves and people like them, ie lacking in self control and self respect, losing it all too easily.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:15 | 3315215 TBT or not TBT
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Sat, 03/09/2013 - 16:13 | 3315451 FeralSerf
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You're absolutely right!  Teachers are more like postal workers.  They are more likely to shoot each other than their customers.  There is the problem of crossfire though.  Maybe the kiddies will learn to hit the floor when the shooting starts.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:04 | 3315567 RudeBoy
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I did not say people with guns snap due to owning a gun. I said, some day in the future, a teacher is going postal with the handgun present in the classroom. Classrooms are mostly highly stressful environments and having a gun there could spell disaster.. maybe it's a kid that in a moment of carelessness from the teacher, gets the gun and starts shooting his nagging teacher or takes revenge on his bullies. Guns don't belong in a classroom at all, because there so many situations that can result in bullets flying, killing innocent kids.

And the comparison between guns and cookies made me laugh so hard, I nearly crapped myself. Lets make this clear, guns are invented, manufactured and used to disable or kill living organisms that pose a threat to our own or loved ones existence. Cookies clearly are not and you have to be a complete tool, drunk, high on meth or biased towards your gun fetish, if you cannot see the difference. Using poison is dangerous, no matter where you put it on, or in.. but what are you going to do with your guns if a teacher poisons your kids.. just as much as if a guns is used, NOTHING! The reality is that guns make it more difficult for law enforcement to stop a killer from killing, therefore the death toll in these shootings is much higher then if there are no guns present.

Most seem to think teachers are not human and therefore can always be trusted, but personally, I'm unwilling to risk my kids lives on a school where teachers are armed, because if teachers can be pedophiles, they can also be spree killers. Therefore I would rather see a couple of armed guard at school, that do not interact with the children or teachers at all and check everyone for weapons like every airport on the planet.

And to all the sheeple voting me down.. great job, since I didn't say I was for gun control, neither did I say I was against it. I merely sketched a situation that might happen and sadly, probably is going to happen. FYI, I'm not against guns at all. I am all for it, since there are so many nut jobs out there and I am a firm believer in the freedom of choice and to buy and own and consume whatever I like.. which included any type of (illegal) drugs too. Not that I use drugs, but I want maximum freedom to do with my life and body whatever the hell I want... so for all you tools voting me down, realize this, you're the reason why America is going down the drain.. at least, on a intellectual level!

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 17:15 | 3315596 Cathartes Aura
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pedophiles, with guns, working with children. . .

wonder if anyone's thought of this scenario?  I mean, we have the Boy Scouts, who have kept "perversion files" on their *cough* members since 1910. . . should make fascinating reading, thought provoking even.

The Scouts began keeping the perversion files shortly after the youth group's creation in 1910, when pedophilia was largely a crime dealt with privately. The organization argues that the files helped them track offenders and protect children, but some of the files released in 1991, detailing cases from 1971 to 1991, showed repeated instances of Scouts leaders failing to disclose sex abuse to authorities, even when they had a confession.

just another reason to keep your children out of govt skools, and the old boy networks.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 19:30 | 3315844 overbet
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So why not just eliminate schools all together and do internet school lessons. Remote classrooms. Then if the teacher snaps nobody can be hurt.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 04:24 | 3316498 Chaos_Theory
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You better go into witness protection program ASAP dude...the various "educators" unions will be looking for you.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 20:16 | 3315923 HD
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"Lets make this clear, guns are invented, manufactured and used to disable or kill living organisms that pose a threat to our own or loved ones existence. Cookies clearly are not and you have to be a complete tool, drunk, high on meth or biased towards your gun fetish, if you cannot see the difference"

Cookies are irrelevant. The point is anyone motivated to hurt or kill others has 1001 ways to do it - a gun is only one. A gun is not necessary to kill dozens or even hundreds of people. If a teacher wanted to gun down students it would not matter if the law allowed guns in the classroom or not.

"I'm unwilling to risk my kids lives on a school where teachers are armed, because if teachers can be pedophiles, they can also be spree killers."

Yes, teachers could be spree killers - as could security guards, a police officer, the school bus driver, your next door neighbor or anyone else - should we lock down the entire planet as one giant "airport"?






Sat, 03/09/2013 - 23:03 | 3316235 Room 101
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Well, I'm one of those folks who down voted you.  If you want to blame me for the intellectual failures of America, I guess I can live with that.  

However, the underlying reason why I down voted you is your failure to apply reason, logic, and common sense.  You said the following:  "I'm unwilling to risk my kids lives on a school where teachers are armed, because if teachers can be pedophiles, they can also be spree killers."

Hmmm.  If someone is going to engage in a killing spree, what makes you think that they are going to obey some silly gun law?  Do you think a murderer sits there and says..."oh gosh, I want to kill all these people.  But because it's illegal to carry a gun there, I guess I won't be able to do it." 

It is of course your right to educate your kids as you see fit.  If you think they're somehow "safer" in an environment where teachers can't carry, then by all means put them in a school where that is the case.

I suspect you're one of those folks who simply doesn't like to be around guns.  Fair enough.  No one is forcing you to have one.  But just so that you'll sleep better, know that if you live in any of the 40+ states that allow concealed carry, you've walked past or driven by several armed citizens this week. 


Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:44 | 3315207 prodigious_idea
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I think I understand your point.  You think the teacher's uncontrollable/misguided frustration/depression is somehow validated/empowered by this law?

That's the primary problem with gun control advocates.  They think that stricter gun control laws deter the mentally ill.

Sat, 03/09/2013 - 14:20 | 3315112 Gringo Viejo
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Given the savage sub-cultures that exist in America today and that the S has not even HTF yet, it is laughable that the statist "world improvers" would believe I would give up the means to protect my loved ones. My hope is that when it does come down, most of these "If You Come To San Francisco" singers will be culled.

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