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Guest Post: Corporatism - State-Controlled Capitalism

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Corporatism: A System Of Control Designed By The Monopoly Men Of The Global Elite

The Dow is at a record high and so are corporate profits - so why does it feel like most of the country is deeply suffering right now?  Real household income is the lowest that it has been in a decade, poverty is absolutely soaring, 47 million Americans are on food stamps and the middle class is being systematically destroyed.  How can big corporations be doing so well while most American families are having such a hard time?  Isn't their wealth supposed to "trickle down" to the rest of us?  Unfortunately, that is not how the real world works.

Today, most big corporations are trying to minimize the number of "expensive" American workers on their payrolls as much as they can.  If the big corporation that is employing you can figure out a way to replace you with a worker in China or with a robot, it will probably do it.  Corporations are in existence to maximize wealth for their shareholders, and most of the time the largest corporations are dominated by the monopoly men of the global elite.  Over the decades, the politicians that have their campaigns funded by these monopoly men have rigged the game so that the big corporations are able to easily dominate everything.  But this was never what those that founded this country intended. 

America was supposed to be a place where the power of collectivist institutions would be greatly limited, and individuals and small businesses would be free to compete in a capitalist system that would reward anyone that had a good idea and that was willing to work hard.  But today, our economy is completely and totally dominated by a massively bloated federal government and by absolutely gigantic predator corporations that are greatly favored by our massively bloated federal government.  Our founders tried to warn us about the dangers of allowing government, banks and corporations to accumulate too much power, but we didn't listen.  Now they dominate everything, and the rest of us are fighting for table scraps.

In early America, most states had strict laws governing the size and scope of corporations.  Individuals and small businesses thrived in such an environment, and the United States experienced a period of explosive economic growth.  We showed the rest of the world that capitalism really works, and we eventually built the largest middle class that the world had ever seen.

But now we have replaced capitalism with something that I like to call "corporatism".  In many ways, it shares a lot of characteristics with communism, and that is why nations such as communist China have embraced it so readily.  Under "corporatism", monolithic predator corporations run around sucking up as much wealth and economic power as they possibly can.  Most individuals and small businesses cannot compete and end up getting absorbed by the corporations.  These mammoth collectivist institutions are in private hands rather than in government hands (as would be the case under a pure form of communism), but the results are pretty much the same either way.  A tiny elite at the top gets almost all of the economic rewards.

There are some out there that would suggest that the answer to our problems is to move more in the direction of "socialism", but to be honest that wouldn't be the solution to anything.  It would just change how the table scraps that the rest of us are getting are distributed.

If we truly wanted a return to prosperity, we need to dramatically shift the rules of the game so that they are tilted back in favor of individuals and small businesses.  A much more pure form of capitalism would mean more wealth, less poverty and a more equitable distribution of the economic rewards in this country.

But it will never happen.  Most of our politicians are married to the big corporations and the wealthy elitists that fund their campaigns.  And most Americans are so uneducated that they believe that what we actually have today is "capitalism" and that the only alternative is to go "to the left" toward socialism.

Very few people out there are suggesting that we need to greatly reduce the power of the federal government and greatly reduce the power of the big corporations, but that is exactly what we need to do.  We need to give individuals and small businesses room to breathe once again.

With each passing year, things get even worse.  In fact, the founder of Subway Restaurants recently said that the environment for small businesses is so toxic in America today that he never would have been able to start Subway if he had to do it today.

For much more on how small business is being strangled to death in the United States, please see my previous article entitled "We Are Witnessing The Death Of Small Business In America".

What I want to do now is to discuss some of the results that "corporatism" is producing in America.

First of all, we continue to see incomes go down even though we live in an inflationary economy.

As Time Magazine recently reported, personal incomes took a huge nosedive during the month of January...

Data released by the Commerce Department last week showed that personal income fell 3.6% in January, the biggest decline in 20 years. The drop was even bigger when taxes and inflation are taken into account. Real personal disposable income fell by 4%, the biggest monthly drop in half a century.

But this is part of a longer term trend.  Median household income in the U.S. has declined for four consecutive years, and it is now significantly lower than it was all the way back in 2001...

Real median US household income -- that's "real," as in "adjusted for inflation" -- was $50,054 in 2011, the most recent data available from the US Census Bureau. That's 8% lower than the 2007 peak of $54,489.

Meanwhile, big corporations are absolutely raking in the cash.  The following is from a recent New York Times article...

“So far in this recovery, corporations have captured an unusually high share of the income gains,” said Ethan Harris, co-head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. “The U.S. corporate sector is in a lot better health than the overall economy. And until we get a full recovery in the labor market, this will persist.”

 

The result has been a golden age for corporate profits, especially among multinational giants that are also benefiting from faster growth in emerging economies like China and India.

Today, corporate profits as a percentage of U.S. GDP are at an all-time high, but wages as a percentage of U.S. GDP are near an all-time low.

Just check out the following chart.  Corporate profits have absolutely exploded over the past decade...

Corporate Profits After Tax

Meanwhile, wages as a percentage of GDP continue to fall rapidly...

Wages And Salaries As A Percentage Of GDP

Most of the jobs being created in America today are "low wage" jobs.  Tens of millions of Americans are working as hard as they can only to find that they can barely put food on the table and provide a roof over the heads of their children.  The ranks of the "working poor" are exploding and the middle class continues to shrink.

Many of you that are reading this article are members of the working poor.  You know what it is like to stare up at your ceiling at night wondering how you are going to pay the bills next month.

Today, most Americans are living very close to the edge financially.  A recent article by NBC News staff writer Allison Linn shared some of their stories.  The following is one example...

Crystal Dupont knows what it’s like to try to live on the federal minimum wage.

Dupont has no health insurance, so she hasn’t seen a doctor in two years. She’s behind on her car payments and has taken out pawn shop and payday loans to cover other monthly expenses. She eats beans and oatmeal when her food budget gets low.

 

When she got her tax refund recently, she used the money to get ahead on her light bill.

 

“I try to live within my means, but sometimes you just can’t,” said Dupont, 25. The Houston resident works 30 to 40 hours a week taking customer service calls, earning between $7.25 and $8 an hour. That came to about $15,000 last year.

 

It’s a wage she’s lived on for a while now, but just barely.

Sadly, the number of Americans that are "just barely" surviving continues to grow.

But if corporate profits are soaring to unprecedented heights, then who is getting all of those rewards?

The monopoly men of the global elite are.

Just check out the following video which does a great job of illustrating how corporatism has systematically funneled all of the economic rewards in our system to the very top...

Once again, I want to make it very clear that I am not advocating socialism as the answer in any way, shape or form.  Socialism takes away the incentive to create wealth and it almost always results in almost all of the economic rewards going to a very tiny elite anyway.

As I said earlier, what we need is a return to a much more pure form of capitalism, but this is so foreign to the way that most people think that most people will not be able to grasp this.

It certainly would be possible to greatly reduce the power of the federal government and greatly reduce the power of the big corporations at the same time, but this is so "outside the box" for most people that they cannot even conceive of doing such a thing.

We need to create an environment where individuals and small businesses can thrive once again.  But instead, most of us are content to continue "playing the game" and getting enslaved in even more debt.

For example, according to CNBC, auto loans just continue to get larger and continue to get stretched out for longer periods of time...

American car buyers, attracted by new models and cheap financing, are taking out bigger auto loans and stretching out the terms of those loans to a new record length.

New analysis from Experian Automotive shows the average new car loan in the fourth quarter of last year was $26,691 and stretched out over an average of 65 months. The length of the average loan is one month longer than the previous record set in the third quarter of last year.

What will they think of next?

Will we eventually have auto loans that get paid off over 10 years?

By the way, that is another way that the monopoly men of the global elite get all of our money.  They enslave us to debt, and we spend year after year of our lives slaving away to make them even wealthier.

They are very smart.  There is a reason why they have 32 TRILLION dollars stashed away in offshore tax havens.  They know how to play the game, and they are very happy that most of the rest of us are asleep.

Fortunately, it appears that an increasing number of Americans are waking up.

For example, I wanted to share with you all an excerpt from a comment that one of my readers left on one of my recent articles...

In the past year, I've been slowly but surely waking up to the nonsense happening around me. There's so many things I need to simply get off my chest, so excuse the length of this post. Recently in the past two years, I've gotten married and have been medically discharged from the Marines after being injured in Afghanistan. Being 23 years old and married, my goal is secure a secure a future for my family, but with the way things are going, I'm not exactly sure how much of a future we're going to have in 50 years. I can't explain it, but I've felt this need to change my attitude and motivations lately.

 

I started by turning off the garbage music, television and other mindless entertainment that seems to plague my generation. It was easier than it looked - I don't miss most of it really. The next order of business was to educate myself on world news, so that's what I did. Every day, like clockwork, I check all major mainstream news feeds (NBC, Fox, Abc, CNN, Reuters, BBC, etc.) as well as not-so-mainstream news sites - yours being one of them. It's incredible how fast our world changes and the manner in which it changes. The local 10 o'clock doesn't show anything but local news, sports, weather, lottery #'s and whatever else they decide to throw in. It's a night and day difference once you start to actually research and see what's happening all over the world. Look at the number of comments about a news story on the economy and then look at a celebrity story on the "news"....People are so blind, it truly amazes me.

 

My friends, family and classmates at college seem to be under a spell of some sort. They're distracted - and it's contagious. Nobody I know gives a damn about global affairs/economics. They're more interested in the newest iPhone, cars, shows, movies, and just about anything else you can think of. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with these things, but my friends/family/peers are CONSUMED by these distractions. When the election was taking place in 2012, every Tom, Dick and Harry on Facebook had an opinion and rant. After the circus ended however, everyone simply went back to posting about parties, kittens, Farmville etc. It's a huge joke.

 

For me, it's little terrifying and exciting to see history unfolding in front of our eyes. This country of ours is going through big changes now that will most certainly affect our future, so I strive to adapt and prepare myself and my family. I'm looking at buying my first home this summer. Right now I live in an apartment right outside Philly and spend more money on rent than most pay for a mortgage. I need a house with a little land to raise chickens, grow fruits/vegetables, store canned food - and to be as independent from the system as I can. For my job, I wanted a skill/trade that people would always need, so I picked the funeral business. On the side, I work in construction and have been learning everything there is to know about building with my own two hands. I feel as though these old forgotten skills are going to be handy in a short while.

Hopefully we can get a lot more people to wake up and start breaking out of "the matrix" of control that is all around us.

Right now, the system is designed to continually funnel more money and more power to the very top of the pyramid.  The global elite are becoming more dominant with each passing day.  Unless something dramatic happens, at some point the American people will become so powerless that they won't be able to do anything about it even if they wanted to.

The idea of a very tiny elite completely dominating all the rest of us goes against everything that America is supposed to stand for.  In the end, it will result in absolute tyranny if it is not stopped.

Who Runs The World - Solid Proof That A Core Group Of Wealthy Elitists Are Pulling The Strings

 
 

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Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:12 | 3317106 falak pema
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well said, but how do you do that UNLESS you win back the state?

Only the people can achieve that and it has to be via state and rule of law. Without the state under people nothing is possible. 

This is something ZH by and large does not understand. 

1° New paradigm definition 

2° Leadership and ground swell

3° Take the Congress

4° Change the laws

5° Implement them into new society. 

S : I won't split hairs about Oligarchy and crony state, who leads who follows. Suffice to say they are on same page and its corpo-state combine. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:22 | 3317119 Manthong
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Progress will not be made until the focus of the dialog changes from “fairness” and “equality” to truth and justice.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:28 | 3317151 max2205
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Would bother me if the govt would get at least 36% tax rate out of these robbing corp

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:39 | 3317175 Ignatius
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"State-Controlled Capitalism" ...in a corporate controlled state.

There, finished the sentence.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:50 | 3317190 OutLookingIn
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A state controlled by corporatist's, corporatism?

Lets call it what it REALLY IS - FACISM.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:59 | 3317200 mikla
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+1

Let's quit pretending we're inventing new names and new terms for new ideas.

Fascism is exactly what we have, in the clinical sense.  We all know what that means, and what results from practicing it.

Hint:  Massive capital mis-allocation, resulting in lower wealth for society, but increased (concentrated) wealth and power for the political elite; ultimately resulting in the necessity to murder millions to accomodate the net loss in societal wealth and prosperity.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:06 | 3317222 SafelyGraze
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"give me control of a nation's sports reporting, and I care not who makes its laws"

- you-know-who 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/richard_rothschild/archive/

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 21:06 | 3318174 Spirit Of Truth
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Since when has corporate fascism been the true will of the people?  Maybe it's time for this tyranny to meet its demise:

http://www.secondkoreanwar.com

The "Old Enemy" never went away....just changed its colors for a time.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 22:56 | 3318392 Imminent Crucible
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It is easy to conclude that the endgame is "a very tiny elite completely dominating all the rest of us in absolute tyranny". That's what TPTB intend.

But, as the great moral philosopher Mick Jagger noted, You can't always get what you want. I do not believe that's where we end up, because there are always (gasp) Unintended Consequences. Why do you suppose that the despotism and the contempt for the Constitution have become so open, so brazen today? Homeland Security tanks, billions of bullets, and tactical shotguns for the IRS? Is it because the elites are supremely confident, and everything is going to according to plan? I don't think so.

I think it is desperation; the wheels are coming off the Global Fiat Ponzi. Masses of people have filled the streets in Iran, in Greece, in Egypt, in Libya, in Spain, in China, in a dozen other countries, and the milling crowds are becoming more belligerent by the day. The pitiful Overlords let things get out of hand, and their banks collapsed. It was revealed: The central bankers have no clothes. I watched the sweat streams glistening on Bernanke's hairless cranium as he was grilled by Senator Garrett. The Euro bankers are a penniless clown-car troupe. Beppe Grillo is rousing the rabble, a new Georgio Carlini. The Hippy-Dippy Weather Underground, for those who remember Laugh-In.

No, I think we get something else. Slowly, painfully, but inexorably the people are beginning to wake up from their long Hollywood-induced slumber and realize that they've been screwed over and their future is gone. When they are fully awake, they are going to be SO pissed.  Do you not notice how politicians and bankers now rarely or never appear in public anymore? No one ever knows the route for the presidential motorcade? That's because they're afraid to show their faces in public. They hide behind heavy security and TV cameras. They know they are Public Enemy Number One.

I'm pretty confident that what we have to look forward to is very little like Brave New World, and much more like Wild West anarchy. The ability of governments to control the masses is fading. That's why we have huge TSA contingents, swelling Homeland Security divisions and every broke-ass little town has a SWAT team and full tactical gear. You can smell the fear.

Pretty soon the government will be forced to command us, "Americans! Give us your last dollars."  And the people will say Molon Labe, you bastards.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:36 | 3317404 Lednbrass
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No, it isn't. Alot of people like to throw Fascism around, but as a point of reality neither Fascism or its somewhat similar spinoff Nazism resulted in anything like what we have today.

If you are correct, it should be quite simple for you or anyone else to  show that those political systems resulted in what we have in the US today.  What hard evidence do you have that either system shifted vast amounts of wealth in the manner of what we see now?

None- because neither case resulted in this.  The entire argument rests on twisting a single comment by Mussolini while ignoring that what constituted a corporation in 1920's and 30's Italy isn't very much like what constitutes a corporation in 2013.

So, what do you have to show that either system created an economic system or situation anything like we have here? What data do any of you have to back up your case?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 18:42 | 3317718 mikla
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Fascism is the public/private "partnering" resulting in authoritarian control.  The elegance with Fascism is that the State does not need to (outright) "seize" private industry; rather, they have "partnered" with private industry such that they become indistinguishable from each other.

Now, economic activity is forced "by law" (not because it makes sense individually, or collectively).

But, this partnering is only with the very largest corporations.  Small-cap and mid-cap cannot play because they can't establish the same lobbying infrastructure.  Small-cap and mid-cap are forced to merge with large-cap (see the healthcare and banking sectors), or be made outright illegal (e.g., regulations sponsored by large-cap are passed to ensure small/mid-size businesses cannot operate).  

The result is capital mis-allocation because it is based on central planning (e.g., totalitarianism), and a fleecing-of-the-public for truly stupid things provided by large companies that the public would never want, except when forced to pay for at gunpoint (Solyndra, etc.)

This is the same as other stupid capital-mis-allocation ideas by any fascist dictator, which "spends" the public's money "for their own good" since they clearly are too stupid to spend it on what the dictator thinks important (if the public were given a choice).

The "regulatory-Capture" of the State, as well as the return-on-lobbyists, is very easy to demonstrate.  Similarly, the collapse of the middle-class, the annihilation of savings for Grandma's fixed-income CDs, and the economic collapse worldwide is obvious.

Most interestingly, the Fed and private banks now own more houses, commercial real estate, corporate stocks/bonds, and other assets than at any other time in history.  This is true for both nominal and percent-of-GDP measures.  For a bunch of guys that don't actually build or invent anything, it's an amazing achievement.

We can debate the term, "Fascism".  However, there is no denying that the centrally-planned economy, worldwide, is making everyone poorer.  Economists don't see that, because they fundamentally do not understand "debt", and "debt-servicing".  But, in absolute terms (and percentage-terms), societal wealth is declining.  The astounding unemployment numbers world-wide are so bad, they are hard to fathom.  When societal wealth gets low enough, we'll need to start firing up the ovens.

For the good of the children.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 19:13 | 3317958 myptofvu
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I'll admit its harder to show but nonetheless its there. In the case of hard dollars you won't se the money trail because its future money being drained and given to the elite, so until the bill comes due for the next generations you won't see the money trail.

Other methods of favoritism where done incognito by not directly benefitting one party with say a huge contract that you could easlily quantify bit by making rules and regulations so stringent that only the original intended party could qualify for the contract. The result however is the same no matter which way you play it.

Other more direct methods are also happening just look at the TSA backscatter machines. How many competitors were available to bid on that business when a law was all of a sudden passed that you need to have one? And even more directly what about Obamas green energy gifts I mean grants.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:57 | 3317176 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 Manthong

Yes, but, "truth and justice" nowadays are just Obamawords...

The set of problems the original author raises are complicated, but, I would fear a powerful .gov more than corporations.  US corporations, in large part, have fallen from their heights of the 1960s (say, like GM) for many reasons, including technology change and the rise of the rest of the world, which we really CANNOT selfishly prevent.

Of course part of this is just the natural rise and fall that we have seen in History through the millenia...

***

In the bearing business, Timken and their unions just got plain-assed LAZY.  When the big bad foreigners came in, they went and cried to their cronies at the US Dept. of Commerce (R and D administrations) for tariff and quota relief.  Timken has just plain run out of gas to compete in the LARGE variety of bearings used worldwide and is mostly working on BIG bearings and working to keep OUT foreign smaller sizes so they can have an easy monopoly, bitchez.

KOREAN bearing companies impressed me.  Super-modern factories.  Helpful .gov.  Weak unions and a desire to WORK (and they work...).

And Timken?  They won´t even sell to us (to our company in Peru), no interest at all.  So, to hell with ´em, the foreigners treat us much BETTER, we are small, but real here in Peru.

You don´t want our business?  OK, we will find people who do.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:40 | 3317311 OutLookingIn
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Why fear a "powerful government" in the hands of the people?

Your premis should read, 'fear a powerful government under the control of banks and financiers.'

There. Fixed it fer ya!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:55 | 3317342 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hey, I appreciate your efforts to fix my piece, but I fear any powerful government.  We are now seeing a "tyranny of the majority" as more people take from .gov than pay...  

And I would bet that more people here at ZH are PAYERS rather than TAKERS!  And the takers will continue to take and take and take, until all of the other peoples´ money (ours) is all gone...

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:56 | 3317350 DoChenRollingBearing
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<--- Pay more to .gov than I take, NOT happy!

<--- Take moar money than pay, :) bitchez!

 

Vote early, vote often!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:22 | 3317579 falak pema
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<-- paymore than I receive from government; happy contributor to collectivity. 

<----Receive more than I give and feel unhappy. As I am not a net producer of wealth inspite of education and good life. 

Thats what being free and educated taught me!

The essence of civilization as taught by Aristotle and Jesus Christ : Giving is living and receiving is acceptance of being dependent. So those who give should be proud as they spread well being but never look down on those who receive as with the snap of a thread, a giver can become a receiver, if his destiny changes; such is life. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:37 | 3317796 DoChenRollingBearing
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Giving is wonderful when done freely.  Payment because you are coerced to, well not so much.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:15 | 3317237 McMolotov
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Progress will not be made until the focus of the dialog changes from “fairness” and “equality” to truth and justice.

The "dialog" is highly structured, and the words are chosen with extreme precision to elicit a certain response and shape reality. The last century has seen propaganda nearly perfected as an art form.

I've long thought that this country will first experience Brave New World and then 1984. Right now, the masses are kept in line and distracted by entertainment, sex, consumerism, and a plethora of drugs — exactly as Huxley predicted. This makes the herd docile and easy to manage, and it's almost the perfect set-up for what appears to be coming — the world Orwell predicted. Over the years, the words "fairness" and "equality" have been stripped of their original meanings, which only confirms my suspicions. Propaganda lurks behind all of this.

The government is essentially owned — lock, stock, and barrel — by a select few who have immense pools of resources and incredible power. How do we who recognize this compete with them in a "civil" manner, using the tools of government, when those very tools have been turned against us and employed to make de facto enemies of our friends, family, and neighbors? It makes no sense to me. These people want total control, and they won't rest until they've achieved it. Our current trajectory will end in violence, whether we like it or not.

History doesn't necessarily repeat, but it does rhyme, and history has recited this ugly poem many times before.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:46 | 3317319 shovelhead
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Simple.

Don't buy their shit. Buy locally produced goods as much as possible and buy used.

Starve the beast of capital. I do.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:50 | 3317332 OutLookingIn
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The 'window' of productive dialogue with the power brokers, has long since been passed. Any "meaningful" dialogue with the 'controller's' at this point is nothing more then a delaying tactic on their part. Its less than worthless, leading to the loss of what real little freedoms (internet) that are left.

FACTA NON VERBA. Deeds not words. Dialogue is finished. Action is required.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 22:13 | 3318320 Totentänzerlied
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"How do we who recognize this compete with them in a "civil" manner, using the tools of government, when those very tools have been turned against us and employed to make de facto enemies of our friends, family, and neighbors?"

Fabian Socialists asked the exact same thing a century ago. Marxists asked the same thing, minus the qualifier "civil". Asking the right questions does not always lead to getting the right answers.

Just as you cannot solve an overabundance of debt with more debt, you cannot solve an overabundance of government with more government. It is what every statist has been promising for 5000 years.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:10 | 3317397 Mr. Magoo
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Progress will not be made until the STATES exercise their constitutional right to nullification. The only way to stop Tyranny is to act locally but I doubt it will happen so buckle up

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:27 | 3317599 Freddie
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Keep watching TV and Hollywood shit and nothing will change.  Viewers enable their serfdom.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:39 | 3317173 Id fight Gandhi
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Therein lies the conundrum: how? You have the unmotivated, uninformed public that just shrugs everything off and takes what it's dealt. The idealists and activists get tied up on pointless social pet projects for change that bear little fruit even if they get passed.

The rest of us who are motivated to get change haven't a clue where to start as everyone IS in a spell and doesn't care. politicians and corps care nothing and if there's a big enough stink, they'll squash it.

So how then, do you get real people involved, and interested in fruitful change and not content with the scraps thrown down?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:31 | 3317284 Keyser-Soze
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That's the rub, Ghandi. The "real people" who have their eyes open really have only one thing we can do: take care of ourselves. I, myself, am tired of trying to tell people to start preparing for a colapse (saving hard assets, purchasing food, guns) and having them shrug me off and go back to watching 90210 or whatever the kids are watching these days. So I've gone to just dealing with myself and my family and when shit does hit the fan, Lock the doors, load the guns and grab a pop tart.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:00 | 3317698 Tango in the Blight
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Just wait for the big collapse. Until then stack up food, water, fuel, PM's, guns, medicines and whatever you actually need to survive. Don't spend one buck on iCrap, trinkets, cable tv and pay off any debts if you can.

There's nothing we can do to save the current system it will collapse under its own dead weight, our only hope is that we have a fighting chance to make the next system better.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 04:33 | 3318639 Henry Hub
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***only hope is that we have a fighting chance to make the next system better.***

If people aren't willing to fight to make the current system better, what make you think they will for the "next system". The "next system" could be a hell of a lot worse.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:52 | 3317194 JOYFUL
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Now that you've calmed down and returned to your role as armchair philosopher, it's kind of you to offer the Merikan section of the Anglo-American alliance a step by step program for their recovery...into the safe hands of the inheritors of Klemens Wenzel Nepomuk Lothar, Fürst von Metternich-Winneburg zu Beilstein, and the Grand Program for Social Cohesion and Stability which our European friends are such fine craftsmen of.

The original "new(old)world order" as designed by the moneypower behind the wars that wasted Europe in the early decades of the C19th, in which was patented the tried and true method of dissolving soverignity by means of bribing, bullying, or burying politicians till nothing stands in your way...Kissinger wrote his thesis on his hero, Count M...

and your thesis of the State as natural bedfellow and companion of the people's liberties would make him proud! Please continue to tenaciously tie thy self to the tendacious theories of a tyranny too hoary to be re-floated in the twenty-first century!

It your day to boldly go beyond boundaries of reason and reality!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:10 | 3317231 falak pema
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Much as I like your legend filled fairy tail tainted logic, a page out of the fellowship of the Ring, where Mordor is never far from middle earth, can you for once turn the tables around and come up a constructive vision of what awaits man once the evil kingdom falls. Better and more so : how to bring about the return to Gaelic Shangri-la?

Where is King Arthur and where is Camelot in this world of Continental treason and Khazarian bullying and bribing? 

I'm curious to see the light of your subtle reasoning to free humanity from the financial tenterhooks of the cabal! 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 00:22 | 3318509 JOYFUL
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Due to my usual (golf)handicap of far off time zones, I had no opportunity to fufill your request till rising now from my slumbers...

refreshed and anointed with the wisdom of another night's dreaming. Dreams, myths, fairy tales, the cyclical remembrances of time past...and in Burkes' immortal phrasing - "the contract between the living, the dead, and those yet unborn"...those be the tools of my trade, Squire. No need of phony sionazi inspired "shangrilas" where you philosophes and other detrius of the "Enlightenment" go to pay homage to the hangman of history.

Mordor long ago reached o'er "Middle Earth" - we live in it's grasp, and close to final gasp, we are...there will be a "King," and his progress will be marked by the march of our unvenged Dead beside those few of us left capable of perceiving the difference between clever argument and committed resistance...

but, as said by the Nagual, and scribed by Castaneda - though there is no

"secrecy about any part of our lot as luminous beings, [p]ersonal power decides who can or who cannot profit by a revelation; my experiences with my fellow men have provento me that very, very few of them would be willing to listen; and of those few who listen even fewer would be willing to act on what they have listened to; and of those who are willing to acteven fewer have enough personal power to profit by their acts."

Stay tuned Squire; I shall fulfill your morbid curiousity to know the fate the becursed spawn of treachery and the wormtongues in our midst!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:03 | 3317212 Kreditanstalt
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(@ falak pema)..."Win back the state"??

Whatever for??  The "evil corporations" have a privileged position because of government protection, monopolies, subsidies, money-printing, favoritism, bailouts, price-fixing, wage-rigging, regulation of competition...

GOVERNMENT, not "corporations", is THE PROBLEM.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:20 | 3317236 falak pema
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well then IMO you don't adhere to the reasoning in the article! 

What you describe is the current state not the new state...as I project, to enable better access and opportunity for all.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:15 | 3317243 blindman
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the government(federal) is a corporation and corporations
are the government. who are the "people"?
Wealth Inequality in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
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The Power Principle - II: Propaganda, Metanoia-films (Noam Chomsky et al.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=b1J9ybfRWSk&NR=1

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 03:48 | 3318625 Ghordius
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I thought falak's point was clear

you can have a government for the megacorps, through the megacorps, of the megacorps

or you can have a government for the people, through the people, of the people

of course there is this third way of moaning either against the government or the megacorps... and so keep the status quo intact

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:56 | 3317348 A Lunatic
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Before people can win back the State they must first win back themselves, however, the majority are too distracted, lazy, ignorant and selfish to recognize the fact that they are lost to begin with......

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:12 | 3317400 blindman
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GUIDING URBAN EXPANSION
To anticipate and guide future urban growth, the Commission recommends comprehensive land-use and public-facility planning on an overall metropolitan and regional scale, and that governments exercise greater control over land-use planning and development. ~
" ...
http://www.dieoff.org/page73.htm

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:08 | 3317108 dbTX
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Forty sevden million Americans on food stamps, sounds terrible and it is, yet the USDA braggs about how many people they are "helping". This should tell us something.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:50 | 3317324 McMolotov
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When I heard something about the government encouraging "food stamp parties," wherein program participants would gather friends and family in order to persuade them to go on the dole, I knew we'd reached a tipping point.

When the government begins treating benefits the same as Mary Kay cosmetics or Avon, we've entered uncharted territory.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 18:19 | 3317783 spooz
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Never heard of "food stamp parties", so I checked out the brochure and it was designed to help the USDA reach eligible seniors, only a third of whom use SNAP. Funny how FOX didn't mention the target audience. A quote from the brochure:

“Seniors are harder to reach because they are more isolated, often live alone, and don’t have anyone to help them navigate the SNAP enrollment process. They are also more mistrustful of giving out personal information and are potentially too proud to ask for government assistance.”

I guess you think it would be better if they just left these seniors alone and hungry.

You can find the link to the pdf brochure on this page:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/outreach/toolkits/2011/senior-outreach.html

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 23:14 | 3318426 Go Tribe
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The only way that many people are on food stamps is through dishonesty. If you lie you can get them too. Just another fed payoff.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:09 | 3317112 lunaticfringe
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I like corporatism better than the term "crony capitalism." Nothing captures the essence of corporatism more than the hours upon hours of car insurance ads- financed by state mandated auto insurance. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:28 | 3317149 alien-IQ
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" Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
Benito Mussolini

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:25 | 3317123 JustObserving
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 In the end, it will result in absolute tyranny if it is not stopped.

It is absolute tyranny now with the Patriot Act, NDAA, unlimited printing,  a controlled media, most prisoners of any country on the planet, undeclared wars all over (Syria, Iran, Yemen, Mali, Libya, Pakistan and more), 1.6 billion hollow point bullets and 30,000 drones on their way to monitor you.  The future you worry about happened yesterday.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:29 | 3317603 Freddie
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If you watch TV or Hollywood's shit then you support it because TV/Hollywood support it 110%.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:11 | 3317741 Tango in the Blight
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Even if you don't watch it you support it when you buy any television advertised product. I tend to buy cheap bottom-shelf nameless products. Often they are made on the same assembly-line as the brand named products. Saves you a bit of money as well.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:26 | 3317142 alien-IQ
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"The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy."
Alex Carey

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 22:20 | 3318333 Totentänzerlied
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Is Alex Carey really Noam Chomsky? Always with the democracy trash. Just like the Keynesians and their infinite lineup of bogeymen to take the blame for their ideology's myriad failures, Chomskyite types never run out of reasons to support the abject sociopolitical failure known as democracy.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:28 | 3317152 Seize Mars
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It's time to start talking about real solutions, because the State isn't listening to the protests, petitions, et cetera. The Nice Guy stuff isn't working.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:38 | 3317304 graneros
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I assume you know what those "real solutions" are?  If you do then the question becomes do enough people have what it takes?  IMO we do not.  That's just what I see in my day to day dealings with people and the internet.  I'd love to be proven wrong.  But truth is there is no offensive structure in place and no one wants to get droned by starting something up.

America's Founding Fathers knew their necks were on the line.  Once they started their "Revolution" there would be no turning back.  It was win or die.  Their progeny (us) are far too comfortable with our big screen TV's, high speed internet, and super sized dinners (lunches,snacks,breakfasts, elevensies,afternoon breaks,etc), to endure the rigors of a "real soultiuon."

So we trade freedom for another Big Mac and the latest "Girls Gone Wild" video.  Be careful with that secret sauce ya'll.  Ya hear?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:00 | 3317364 Seize Mars
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Actually what I had in mind was nonviolent civil disobedience. For example, can you imagine actually paying down all your debts and not using their "Novus Ordo Seclorum" currency? Barter, et cetera? Sounds pretty courageous to me.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:16 | 3317408 graneros
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I have already done all that.  My home and all my possesions are paid for.  I have zero debt other than renting my paid for property from the government.  Of course that puts me in the minority but it's how I like to live.  Doesn't matter though because TPB just laugh at "nonviolent civil disobedience."

"Might makes right."  That's how it's always been on this earth and always will be.  Doesn't matter if you are a gazelle treading your way across the savanna or an "enlightened" human being sitting in front of a computer screen.  Raw power is all that matters and your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:18 | 3317757 Tango in the Blight
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Save your power until after the collapse. If you go Breivik/Dorner now you will only do harm. TPTB will use that as an excuse for even more repressive measures.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:41 | 3317646 MeBizarro
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People act as if there was the American Revolution was a unified movement when it was anything but that with even the strongest support only maybe approaching more than half or the citizenry.  Support for the American Revolution waxed and waned considerably too and there were wide portions of the US colonies especially in the South where support the Revolution was lukewarm at best with strong Tory bastions. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 22:30 | 3318356 Totentänzerlied
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At most one third actively supported it. In reality it was a popular insurrection which became a coup which carried out a revolution. The American Revolution was a coup lead by a small cabal of intelligent, wealthy, and connected politicians and businessmen. They gave the plebs some nice privileges and went to pains to make the whole thing seem legit, but it was just another revolution-from-above, like they all are. The American aristocracy saw a power vacuum forming where the royal government had been, and filled it. Not many modern European revolutions have deviated from that general course.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:29 | 3317156 Seize Mars
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Novus Ordo Seclorum my ass.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:30 | 3317158 gould's fisker
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The new "rigged" economic paridigm has gone mainstream, let's see if it wakes anybody up:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-08/yes-the-financial-system-is-rigged-dot-why-shouldnt-you-profit-from-that-knowledge#r=hpt-ls And the apparent main difference between 17th century tulips and 21st century monetization is that the latter is the only game in town for now--nation states = currency--until what remains of the markets get so bent that a cascade begins, or public outrage manifests itself. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-27/time-different "the real driving dynamic of bubbles is a psychological process which combines greed, the willing suspension of disbelief and the development of a herd mentality."
Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:30 | 3317159 deerhunter
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my daughters are 33 29 22 and all 3 married and 2 with children.  I have attempted to broach a few things with them regarding the state of the nation.  They were raised with being responsible for their own actions and were never allowed to blame others for failures in any category.  2 are aware of some world events going on the youngest newlywed so I will wait a bit til that euphoria dims.   There is a fine balance between wanting to protect them from the truth or pummel them with it.  My parents are 87 and 85 do I have those concerns on the other side of the age spread.  What was once great can be great again and we are not afraid of hard work  however most people now run on feelings and not on facts.  We used to get together in business meetings and talk about what we think and now unfortunately it is all to common to have meetings and talk about what we feel.  Truth does not run best on feelings and truth needs no defense.  How and where the truth is told will determine where we go from here.  Sometimes I get weary trying to wake up those around me I care most about,  but I keep on. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:33 | 3317163 sitenine
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F A S C I S M

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:53 | 3317164 Id fight Gandhi
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Excellent summary of the state of things.

That 23 year old commenter has his act together. Most at 23 are a demanding child of the college grad scam.

There is nothing wrong with minimum wage workers or their jobs. They are valuable needed people. Certainly they're not jobs to aspire to, but not everyone is suited to high income, ideal careers. People need to work to survive. When USA was an industrialized country, manufacturing provided many wage living jobs at all skill, intelligence levels.

Everything is just geared at quarter by quarter measures and how to impress shareholders to get the stock price up. Nothing else matters. Not the value of the employees or the end product. No pride, all profit.
These big corps control the politicians, the laws, the countries and pay very little for that privilege - record low taxes all funneled off shore.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:18 | 3317251 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"There is nothing wrong with minimum wage workers or their jobs."

Exactly.  However, minimum wage jobs should be entry level jobs, not a job you work at all your life.  Too many people are just content to work in a low level job because they get lots of benefits from .gov.  If you don't want a minimum wage job then move up the ladder.  How hard is it to become a cook instead of a dishwasher?  Or become a server instead of a busser? 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:44 | 3317650 MeBizarro
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Two bad examples - some places will move a dishwasher to a line prep cook but that takes a long time.  Very few places will move a busser from a server especially if there are language issues or the restaurant is a higher-end place where the diners will have certain expectations of the wait staff. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:58 | 3317678 spooz
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I don't know if people are content to work at Walmart for life or if that is the only job they can find.  You make an awful lot of assumptions about minimum wage workers. Most jobs have no upward mobility and don't pay a living wage. And the only "welfare" available to most is SNAP,  for an average of $133 a month in food money.  If thats your idea of lots of benefits from .gov, you must be pretty bad off.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:37 | 3317169 blindman
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Wealth Inequality in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:45 | 3317185 HurricaneSeason
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To me, corporatism is taking as many jobs to Asia for the $250 a month labor and keep the profits over there in order to not pay any U.S. tax. I don't think General Electric paid any significant tax and they own a little bit of everything. The corporations were just in the right place at the right time to buy NAFTA and congressmen and such. There is no way to fix it now. Import taxes would just make a trade war and prices skyrocket. In order to get the tax base back, we'll have to wait for the Chinese workers to go from $250 a month to $1500 in their labor and then factories can come back to the U.S. Gas and energy costs tripling could bring the factories back too. The most likely reset would come from a currency collapse if interest rates on government and consumer debt were to double or triple. If there is a currency collapse, hopefully the Chinese will confiscate all traitor U.S. corporation property in China as payment on the treasury bonds and mortgage backed securities that the Chinese have bought. That would be poetic justice.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:15 | 3317749 MeBizarro
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This isn't what is happening and was the same line of horseshit that we go fed at my PhD program in economics.   Only manufacturting jobs coming back to the US are either highly-automated or very specialized generally.  They aren't going to lead to widespread employment either.  If there is a real concern about industrial episongage or other isues with the Chinese gov't, they will just move more production and assembly back to northern Mexico.  

What has occurred isn't some kind of 'diabolical grand cabal' but a subtle and steady shift in the US corporate tax code especially since the last great change to it in '86.  A lot of special interests have added all kind of credits/deductions which sound good in theory but are often just ways to reduce tax burden with little/mediocre record on creating jobs in the US.  The biggest one though has been the changes to finance and how debt/investment are treated on a corporate ledger sheet.  Again, there have been a couple of key changes but not one single act/change.  It's been cumultative and added to over time.  Call it the 'Anglo-American' model of capitalism which is really kind of a shitty model for most average people.  It works and looks great on paper but the actual median economic indicators for most people aren't so great. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:55 | 3317197 Kreditanstalt
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"And most Americans are so uneducated that they believe that what we actually have today is "capitalism" and that the only alternative is to go "to the left" toward socialism."

Well said!  Economic envy lives!  ~ Which is why socialism is our future...until the whole system crashes into violence.

Yes, even here on ZH you find lots of socialists wailing about outsourcing, price-gouging, laying off expensive American workers and yelling for MORE regulation, MORE government power, closed borders, protection and subsidies for labour, props for high salaries, and higher taxes on "the rich"...

Ask yourselves...if YOU had a small business, could you make a go of it today paying 2013's minimum wage? 

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:22 | 3317258 espirit
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Unbelieveable as it may seem, the only way to make a go of this is to become tax exempt, which is running rampant in the US.

Does anyone really believe O's immigration reform is anything other than the induction of new players into the ponzi?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:50 | 3317665 spooz
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Just what means of production is going to be owned by the government in a corporatocracy?  Its more like the corporations own the government.

I know its hard to fight the propaganda, but I have faith that even you will find the truth someday.

Here's a good place to start:

"Finally, it must be noted that modern capitalists — shareholders/investors — serve absolutely no social function.  Unlike their capitalist ancestors, modern capitalists neither work for nor run the companies they own — they hire managers instead (CEO’s and VPs).  But these parasitic capitalists still hold a virtual trump card over society as a whole: they have all the money, and companies are not built unless these investors are assured stable and large profits. 

When large recessions happen, the investors pull their money from the market, and demand that wages drop drastically before they allow jobs to reappear.  This type of social extortion is on international display for all to see; the mainstream media says that we cannot raise taxes on the wealthy or corporations because they will simply leave, and there will be no jobs for anybody.

The socialist solution?  If there are businesses unwilling to produce jobs, we must be willing to take them over.  If there are billions of dollars in bank accounts not being lent, the money should be managed by the people, and run as a public utility."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-origins-of-modern-socialism/16739

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:28 | 3317777 MeBizarro
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He's a dope who is stuck in the 'business = good' and 'gov't = bad' paradigm.  Waste of time talkign to him.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 02:43 | 3318600 XenoFrog
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Young liberal friends of mine like to mock fiscal conservatives with the old phrase, "Fuck you got mine."

 

They're too stupid to realize that they are simply screaming, "Fuck you, gimmie yours."

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:02 | 3317214 blindman
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"the best way to rob a bank is to own one." w.k.b.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:04 | 3317218 AmCockerSpaniel
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The death blow to "We the people" was when the Supreme Court ruled that a corporation was equal to a living breathing citizen, and had ALL the rights of one. This let corporations fund (buy) the leadership (government) of the USA. The corporations now control who will ever sit on the Supreme Court too. There is no way for the people to vote them out. Free trade will forever be, and the middle class will cease exist.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:23 | 3317221 q99x2
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Chase the trannies out of Washington.

On a Sunday if you have to.

Chase the trannies out of Washington.

Get off your ass and pick up a whip.

On a Sunday if you have to.

Chase the trannies out of Washington.

They are neither beast nor man.

Not much different than Big Sis Napolitan.

But something banksters created in Washington.

So this Sunday they've locked down the capitol.

Because we're coming to chase the trannies from Washington.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:09 | 3317229 Dre4dwolf
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Really the system just taxes the true capitlaists (small businesses and labor) to pay for the losses of the Communists Banksters.

 

This on outwards appearance makes capitalism look like its failing and makes Communists look like they are successful, because who couldn't be profitable if you could steal money from others to cover your losses and convert them to gains? (too big to fail )

 

In the end, the goal is probably to make the public believe in socialism, even though the only ones who benefit from socialism are the assholes on the top commanding the guillotines. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:17 | 3317238 Bob
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Claim you're not advocating socialism all you want, but the toadies and shills who support modern "capitalism" will brand you a commie just the same. 

Think about it.  You're saying the money isn't getting shared enough.  You're implying (what should be obvious) drastic limits on mega-corporations/capital (which most would say would ultimately require disoving altogether to meaningfully level the playing field for small biz and real people.) It all equals socialism in the Stupid Zone. 

Which is not only where most of the money and power have gone, but where most of the people who either have it or aspire to it live. 

Good luck, Comrade. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:28 | 3317271 Clever Name
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Uh, I'm not sure that advocating everyone plays by the same rules is socialism...

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:23 | 3317423 Bob
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Problem is that the system has been skewed too far to be meaningfully turned by applying equal rules. 

The rules would have to be changed against what represents big money now or they would just continue to dominate "fairly." 

Their domination in every sense is what's become the problem.  Long as they've got their existing money and market monopolies to continue with, they'll continue to dominate. 

We let this shit get too far out of hand. 

The rest of us are in the stone age while they've achieved projectile weapons and rapid long distance transportation. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:07 | 3317726 Clever Name
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I agree the system is screwed, but a lot of little changes would go a long way. Getting corporate money out of .gov would be a good start.

Having people pay attention to the world around them would also help, but I wont hold my breath for that one.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:41 | 3317801 Bob
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Yeah, it couldn't hurt. 

Well, holding your breath might. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:15 | 3317242 Racer
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Companies/corporations pay little, if any, tax

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:19 | 3317252 Walt D.
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Obama Marxist Glossary

Middle Class = working class or proletariat

Rich = Middle Class or burgeoise or kulaks

Obamunism does not distinguish between the rich and the super rich (the Aristocracy in Marxism)

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:07 | 3317381 Hohum
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Hmmm. Does Socialism/Marxism now mean that the top 1% of households get 100% of the income gains?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:46 | 3317656 falak pema
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lol, its pathetic to see the trolls out trying to change the meaning of words and concepts to make the world stand on its head! 

Here is some fresh thinking and historical perspective from MSM : 

Companies Should Focus On Value, Not Profit - Business Insider

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:21 | 3317254 Clever Name
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This is very telling:

most Americans are so uneducated that they believe that what we actually have today is "capitalism" and that the only alternative is to go "to the left" toward socialism.

It explains why the typical 'right'/conservative/Republican wing of the war party is dead in the water. Barring catastrophe, I cant imagine a Rep being elected president again during my lifetime.  As long as the Dems can keep up the facade of being 'for the little guy' then they will retain power. Maybe once they are in complete control of everything, people will actually wake up and see that they were really no different when it comes to actual policy (without the lies and distractions) than the Reps.

I keep reading about more people waking up, but I just dont see it. I think some people are more willing to speak their minds, but until people realize that the two parties are the same we get what we deserve, which really means we get what we want. The sheep has to realize he's a sheep to make any progress. It aint 'their' fault, it yours! A vote for R or D is a vote for the status quo.

 

Bitchez.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:32 | 3317287 williambanzai7
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I have a different theory about the GOP.

Until they become real libertarians instead of angry white pseudo libertarians who like to set up shop in women's uteruses and tell the rest of us how to live our personal lives, all while living on the corporate payroll, they are dead in the water.

The sooner the change, the better.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:38 | 3317303 Clever Name
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This is the lies and distractions part. Faux news is pretty good at spreading them.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:10 | 3317393 shovelhead
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Same game, filling different pockets to buy votes.

We have got to get the money out of politics to get legislation and enforcement to work the same for everyone.

That's gonna be a neat trick to pull off.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:13 | 3317372 McMolotov
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Pretty much. Throw in the fact that they adore war and the police state (at least when they're in charge) and they totally lose me.

What's really dumb is when I see Republicans post that picture of George W. Bush waving with the "Miss me yet?" caption. No we don't fucktards, and if you do, you must be more mentally deficient than I'd believed possible. Obama is beyond bad, but so was Bush, get it?

One guy throws cow shit at you, and another guy throws horse shit at you. You don't argue over which one's "better" — because they both threw shit at you!

EDIT: Looks like I pissed off at least one person who misses Junior. Not my intention, just a happy accident.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:25 | 3317769 MeBizarro
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Sad thing is that in many respects (especially when it comes to domestic 'security' and opagueness on foreign military operations) the Obama admistration doesn't look that much different than the 2nd GW Bush term. 

I am baffled at those who would want GW Bush back.  Not the worst American president if you really are objective and look at some of the stupendous losers we had in the 19th century but he was inept & left things in a much worse condition than he found them. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 19:24 | 3317977 lotsoffun
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don't worry.  you are getting jeb bush next.  go ahead and laugh.  mark my words now.  it's already etched in stone.  just a question if they can keep the old man alive long enough to see the first family in usa to have 3 leaders.  obama is a place holder and was meant to fail so as to make bush 2 look like a better alternative.

my european friends laughed when i told them bush 2.  keep laughing suckers.  that's just the way it is.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:24 | 3317436 williambanzai7
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Continuing the thought, it is so obvious how they could restructure their platform, one must conclude that the reason they are not doing it is they just don't want to.

All the public bloviation about libertarian patriotism just unravels the minute you put them in a room by themselves.

Which, unfortunately, means more of the same.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:31 | 3317461 McMolotov
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If they restructured their platform, there might be legitimate differences between the two parties. Can't have that. There must only be the illusion of choice, lest we peons make our voices heard and end up actually changing the system in some meaningful way.

The people at the top really have this false choice thing nailed down.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 05:05 | 3318657 Henry Hub
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"If voting changed anything, they would make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:38 | 3317476 the grateful un...
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the GOP has taken the "dumb-bell" approach, at one end they emphasize socially conservative values to poor rural americans, who thanks to our system and the electoral college, get two senators and about 1.2 votes in every election, and at the other end they support Wall Street greed ( so in NY bankers do things to each other those poor rural folks would lynch them for doing) they surivive by keeping one group away from the other, and in the middle is the ta-dah, middle class, which is getting hammered. and the most noteworthy of them, like Rand Paul, are the most egregious proponents of this schizoid policy. his filibuster was a good example, entertainment for the masses, when a more thoughful attack on the AGs statements would have been to make POTUS legal team define those terms under which he will engage, and not leave them hanging loose, where they become a policy precedent, and not easily challenged.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:20 | 3317760 Clever Name
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And the masses continue to lap up the bloviation. As long as the sheep let themselves be sheared, they will be, repeatedly.

Theres also a lot of people that dont even want to pay attention. They take 30% (at least) of your money and you dont even think about it, or at least vote, no matter how ridiculous the whole scheme is?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 22:25 | 3318317 monad
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I don't need to see the bribes and blackmail to see the effect.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:36 | 3317298 Kreditanstalt
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Yeah.  The "Nasty Party" and the "Nice Party"...and the proles will lap it up.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 18:08 | 3317847 Tango in the Blight
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Good cop... Bad cop...

Both out for your money.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:26 | 3317268 Ckierst1
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"Our founders tried to warn us about the dangers of allowing government, banks and corporations to accumulate too much power, but we didn't listen. "

Weeell, not entirely. Free markets were lost in 1865. Alexander Hamilton won and Thomas Jefferson lost. Many listened and some 450,000 Southerners were murdered trying to defend their rights and the covenant of the US Constitution. It wasn't about freeing the slaves, it was about enslaving everybody to the elites.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:10 | 3317396 McMolotov
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"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain — that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist."

—Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority, 1870

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:29 | 3317277 ramacers
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yes, tyranna. but, then much blood. then no tyranna.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:14 | 3317401 Professorlocknload
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Yup. +1. And the Tree of Liberty will be refreshed. 'Till then, on it rages.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:48 | 3317664 MeBizarro
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Yeah because revolutions almost always succeed (almost always fail generally) and a revolution that results in wide-scale bloodshed which would inevitably mean a large-scale decimation of the physical infrastructure, human capital, and key organizations would do economic wonders for a country & its populace.

This is the singlest dumbest thing you see echoed on here.  Go live in any country today that has large-scale unrest and an active 'revolution.' 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:43 | 3317279 IamtheREALmario
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"If we truly wanted a return to prosperity, we need to dramatically shift the rules of the game so that they are tilted back in favor of individuals and small businesses."

Yes, of course. However, if we are to look at the actual actions that are happening around us, we see that the exact opposite is being executed upon us. We are in the middle of the creation of the first true global empire. The steps seem to be pretty clear:

- gain control of the global money supplies (the US is only attacking countries that do not have BIS tied central banks, and creates BIS tied central banks in each as soon as possible, even before the fighting stops)

- Corrupt the government politicians, corporate heads, media etc. by bribing them with a disproportionate amount of money and compromising their ethics where possible. Make sure they know where their money comes from and that it will be very painful and possibly fatal for them to not be their tool... maybe at some time we are all tested.

- Stay in the background until it is time, keeping the world from understanding the plan, keep the world divided and fighting amongst itself, quietly eliminate threats in the most brutal and expedient way until the day that they execute and come out into the open. This may require the surprise elimination of other power centers and most likely elimination of many of the ignorant and innocent that could be used against them.

Under the above circumstances, where those in charge are able to set the price of everything and bribe or threaten everyone ... how much are things such as "gold" really worth? You have no use for it. They have no use for it other than as a control mechanism (alternative to fiat money ... but they control both).

You may ask who the real power behind the mechanism really is. Because, to stop them (if that is the right thing to do), you first have to find them. One thing I do know is that good does not come from evil acts.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:49 | 3317328 ian807
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All the major economies are converging on state run capitalism, another name for corporate feudalism. They're doing this because it's working for China, at least for the moment, and it suits the wealthy who move the economy. Like all economic systems, it carries the seeds of its own destruction. Those at the top know no restraint, and when those at the bottom suffer enough, an upheaval will ensue. Even now, with neural control technology coming closer each day, it simply won't matter when the lights go out, food gets scarce, electricity is a luxury and a formerly overmedicated, amused, overfed and pampered populace gets very, very angry.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:51 | 3317336 Tombstone
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True capitalism does not exist in America.  The state now dictates winners and losers, thus capital is wasted and redistributed.  The welfare state is now the top employer, and most of those on welfare produce nothing to add to the pot.  Wealth building, from the bottom up, is futile since it will be taxed away, redistributed or stolen by a greedy government driven to exact every last morsel of power from the slave class.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:01 | 3317708 falak pema
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true capitalism is like the loch ness...you have to watch that loch very closely. And never hit a golf ball into it!

Or beware! 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:21 | 3317762 MeBizarro
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Exactly.  People who rant mindlessly about 'capitalism' ignore the realities of human psychology, history, and antropology.   You always need a series of systems and balances that limit the power of organizations and businesses whether they are the vessals of gov't or privately-controlled enterprises. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:52 | 3317337 little buddy bu...
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...so, we see how all the business criminals get 'stopped'. 

 

prepare for tyranny.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:53 | 3317341 Stuck on Zero
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Summary: If the agenda of the people in power is anything but the freedom of the people then the wrong people are in power.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 14:55 | 3317346 Schacht Mat
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"Progress will not be made until the focus of the dialog changes from “fairness” and “equality” to truth and justice. "

Absolutely correct; just two point of clarification - whose truth and whose justice?

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:05 | 3317376 Hohum
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Fine.  Then advocate a localization of the economy.  Oh, I forgot, there would be big trading profits to lose.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:09 | 3317392 Westcoastliberal
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Fascism is what we have today pure and simple.  We no longer live in a Democracy.  That ended long ago, maybe with the Kennedy assassination or perhaps even farther back when FDR paid no heed to the warnings of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor.  Ike's warning about the "military/industrial complex" was far more poignant than anyone realized at the time; IMO he was trying to pull back the curtain a bit to reveal the reality of the behind the scenes power struggle even then.

The power/money brokers, illuminati, Rothschilds, Rockfellers, Bilderbergers, whatever you want to call them, have succeeded in their goals.  There's a reason why the Kardashians are front page news; they and other fluff take away space/attention from the important events people should really be concerned with. This didn't just "happen", it's by design.

And there's a reason why a handful of companies control everything you see and hear.  What are we down to now, 5 companies controlling 92%? One company (Clear Channel, financed by Bain, Romney's old company) own/control most of the decent Radio signals in most major markets and as a result of their cost-cutting have deciminated a once thriving industry, resulting in tens of thousands of layoffs and erosion of the audience due to shit programming.  I mean why would anyone want to hear Ryan Seacrest on 700 stations.  Or Rush Limbaugh for that matter?

There's a reason you have only a handful of choices for your cable tv, and usually only one choice for your other utility providers...the Sherman antitrust act that broke up AT&T (and resulted in and explosion of innovation in communications) is a relic of the past.  No one in D.C. wants to break up monopoly companies.  No one.  And that doesn't just mean fewer choices, it means fewer jobs, less opportunity, and stifled innovation.

There's a reason why whistleblowers like Bradley Manning face serious prison time.  In fact, the Obama admin has declared war on whistleblowers; they can't risk we the people knowing what goes on behind the scenes.  If "watergate" happened today we would never hear about it; Woodward & Bernstein and their editor would be threatened with "indefinite detention". I truly wonder how many others have dared to step forward and their words thwarted before they could reach us.  Certainly we've heard nothing regarding the fate of Spc Millay in Alaska who was charged with espionage by making a phone call to his family.  He could be one of many, we don't know.

In summary, nothing will change until we change it. Until then, enjoy your Honey Boo Boo.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 15:12 | 3317398 ebworthen
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Precisely.

Excellent.

Repudiate debt.

Live simply and frugally.

This will collapse in on itself - but it will take time.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:39 | 3317638 GreatUncle
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One day you will fight because you will be left with no other option.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 16:50 | 3317670 MeBizarro
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People complaining about the consolidation of power in the hands of a few?  Big deal.  This is a message as old as human civilization itself.  His blog isn't bad for pointing out the obvious but I don't see much/if any constructive advice there. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:00 | 3317697 MeBizarro
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I hate the term 'middle class' because it in and out itself means little-to-nothing unless it has some kind of criteria where most of the populace doesn't get lumped into it.  This idea that the US always has had a healthy midlde class is almost complete BS too.  In the South, that was never the case and most were either tenant farmers/sharecroppers (whites too) or barely above substitence farmers who were bankrupted by a bad harvest or two.  What the difference is that the US had abundant natural resources that it could exploit and utilize for economic gain and excess abundant land of relatively high quality to migrate excess people from especially during times of severe economic downturns. 

The US 'middle class' came out of existence after WW2 for about 3 decades because most of the world was either Communist or communist-controlled, slowly had to rebuild itself from WW2, or had not yet industrialized on any meaningful scale. 

The most direct ways to change things would be to simplify the tax code (especially on the corporate side) and remove some of the numerous changes made since 86 which generally favor debt over investment.  The other would be meaningful antitrust activity which has largely halted since the Clinton administration with a few notable exceptions. 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:08 | 3317727 The Invisible Foot
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ANY form of ism (capitalism, communism, fascism, socialism.ect) has corruption in it. Why, because the incentive is PROFIT AT ANY AND ALL COST. The monetary system must go and we must move into a Resource Based Economic Model.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:37 | 3317794 tony bonn
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michael - your thesis is excellent and well developed....i would add 2 points - the concentration of wealth is planned - it is not accidental....the rockefeller axis of evil has been working double time since its terrorist arm, the bush crime syndicate, set the world trade towers ablaze with nuclear weapons...

the other point is that the rae controlled education system produces idiots and corporate sychophants who worship wealth and power and are only too happy to sell their souls to the corporate goons....

a very partial solution would be to strengthen and revitalize sherman anti-trust laws and enforcement,  to create incentives for small and disincentives for large, add taxes to corporations, proscute plutocratic crimes, bring back glass-steagal, and other measures to strengthen new participants in the marketplace.....

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:38 | 3317798 thisandthat
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ERM... Corporatism: Capitalist-controlled State. (you even say it right at the beginning of the article!)

Fixed!

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 17:50 | 3317816 Pseudo Anonym
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our founders? 

Our founders tried to warn us about the dangers of allowing government, banks and corporations to accumulate too much power

gimme a break.  the role of these "founders" was to undermine the articles of confederation.  the founders you like so much were in cahoots with hofjuden

http://tinyurl.com/dfztye

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 18:34 | 3317883 dot_bust
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It is only when people refuse to do business with monopolies like Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Target, and others that the corporate machine will be brought under control.

Think about it. How many big-box stores have you visited in the past week? Any money that you spend there could be better spent at smaller, privately owned businesses. I'm not saying that this is easy to do, but it's worth a shot.

When I go out to eat, I try to dine only at small, privately owned restaurants. That way, I know the money is going into the real economy and not to overpaid CEOs and vice presidents.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 19:06 | 3317945 Tango in the Blight
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It won't be long until small business owners will have to buy a crippling license if they want to remain open. Just like New York cab companies have to pay up to 1 million dollars for a taxi medallion.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/econmatters/2011/10/30/million-dollar-taxis-...

Your local restaurant will be wiped out and replaced by a McD's, BK or Wendy's.

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 19:18 | 3317968 lotsoffun
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it is very funny i think.  my rational is fairly simple.  i do business (in CASH) with shops that have one cash register.

that generally implys an owner.  we get to know each other.  for the most part - owners are men.  sometimes the wife helps out.

hopefully they have kids and she spends time with them.  sometimes a cousin or sister-in-law is on hand.

i can't say enough about this.  i can't say enough about human interaction. enough about a person that know their business,

stocks quality, determines what hours they work, can extend you credit, can point out what is at a good price, or good quality at the moment. 

i was horrified when i saw the move to 24/7, maybe for convience stores, but places like staples?

don't make people work midnight on the weekend.  if you need toner at 3 a.m. - you have mismanaged your life, you are a total loser.

let's bring dignity back to our neighbors and fellow human beings.  stop using the globals.  otherwise - there is no more hope, you too will

become a minimum wage by the hour no benefits, no future, no brain simply pushing crap made in the third world.

 

Sun, 03/10/2013 - 20:04 | 3318064 Jack Burton
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Corporations have by law the rights of individuals. But on the whole they do not have the responsibilities of individuals. They get the best of both worlds. It is very true that ,via the bribing of all politicians, they have put in place a set of rules that are written for their benefit. And when anyone in US government dares to impose any tax or regulation they don't like, they simply retaliate by moving the books offshore. If they get even more upset by American regulations, they simply take all the jobs to China, where a communist government will give them everything they want, and the same communists will use their police state cops to crush any upstart workers who try that union thing.

Max Keiser has it right, the Stockholm Syndrom is widespread among American conservatives. Instead of seeing the corporate takeover as a bad thing, they argue endlessly that America treats the rich and the corporations so badly that they both are obligated to leave business hating America and go to foreign nations with dictators where they will pay no taxes and suffer no regulations. This is clearly a love affair with the oppressors.

Obama is a communist driving the producers out of America. But corporate profits are at an all time high. All the wealth is going to the top 1% and their wealth as a percentage grows and grows. So under a communits Obama how in hell do corporations and the rich get all the money? Obama is a socialist, yet his rule defines the transfer of all wealth to a handful of business people and equity holders. How on fucking earth can a communist like Obama be in power killing AMerican business and punishing the rich at the same time they both have never ever in the history of America gotten so much of the economic gains?

Is it only me that sees this as a bit off the mark? In fact, it is illogical just looking at income growth and corporate profits.

Romney himself could hardly preside over a bugger transfer of wealth to the 1% and the corporations. Could he???????

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 02:00 | 3318577 Joe A
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State controlled capitalism or corporate controlled statism?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 02:57 | 3318602 Lord Of Finance
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We get too caught up in the text book definitions of marxism/communism/socialism. Obama and the dems are sympathetic to the socialist cause and to a certain extent, the marxist cause. They are not true believers. They are however, true sympathisers, and that is a major cause of concern because their policies damage and hinder free market principles and our founding principles.

 

   Any sympathiser with these political fronts are a danger to what this country was founded upon. Just like neo-conservatism is a combination of hard line principles, such as military might/intervemtion, they also embrace socialist or keynesian principles of deficit/debt spending. Remember Cheney saying, "deficits don't matter". He is a neo-con, and Obama is a Neo-marxist. Look what the twisted influence of the neo-cons has brought us on middle east policy. Both of these neo fronts are a danger to this nation. And you do not need a commander in chief who is a marxist or a false conservative to do damage to this nation. All they have to do is be sympathetic to the cause and thus influenced by the cause. Bush was not a neo-con, but he was certainly sympathetic and thus influenced by the cons. The same goes for Obama. Maybe he is not a marxist, but he is sympathetic to many of their aims/goals and therefore he can be and is influenced. These neo-marxists and neo-cons have been trying to influence policy for many decades. They lie in wait for their oppotunity to influence policy. This is what sooooo many people do not understand.

 

  Pat Buchanan was correct about warning the people about the neo-cons in the pentagon and the state department, but his cries fell on many deaf ears. Buchanan is very familiar with the neo-cons. He has been involved in government for decades and he knows the dangerous influence they pose. He has battled them. he said they were trying hard a hell to influence president Reagan.

 

  And I am correct in calling Obama a neo-marxist, because I have read and studied the subject of communist party/marxist influence during the cold war. These agents were and still are in high levels of influence at the state department level and they try to influence politicians, mainly the democrats, on many fronts. They have been slowly chipping away at our constitution for decades, as well as the neo-cons. Which one is more dangerous? If you ask an independent like me, I would say the neo-marxists, but if you ask a soldier in Iraq, he will rightly tell you it's the neo-cons. They both are a disgrace to this nation. They both have much blood on their hands.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 08:56 | 3318923 spooz
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Tired old knee jerk conservative talk.  No need to pay attention to the real world as long as you have it all figured out in your head, right? You know the boogie-man and thats all you need to know.  WTF is a neo-marxist, anyways? I looked it up in wiki and there are no real world examples, just a lot of theory. Obama embraces NEOLIBERAL ideology.

 Look up neo-liberalism in wiki and you'll see references to corporatocracy, crony capitalism and globilization.  Those developments have been going on under both D and R control, which makes some people believe there is no real difference between neocon and neolib. 

"The distinctions between neoconservatism and neoliberalism are being increasingly lost, perhaps because most of our political classes are practitioners of both. But initially at least neoconservatism was focused on foreign policy and neoliberalism on domestic economic policy. As the War on Terror expanded, however, neoconservatism came back home with the creation and expansion of the surveillance state. At the same time, neoliberalism went from domestic to global, and here I am not just thinking about neoliberal experiments, like Pinochet's Chile or post-Soviet Russia, but the financialization of the world economy and the adoption of kleptocracy as the world economic model."

http://www.correntewire.com/thoughts_on_neoconservatism_and_neoliberalis...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:15 | 3319670 Lord Of Finance
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Listen spooz. What did I say at the beginning of my post? I said dont get caught up in text book definitions. And you call my theory a knee jerk reaction. You hypocrite! You are the knee jerk reactionary! You got your panties in such a bind when you saw my post and felt the impulsive need to respond, that you lost sight of your own ignorance. I said, "do not get into the definitions" and my proof of your ignorance and your impulsive knee jerk reaction is that you sighted a DEFINITION of neo-liberalism!!

 

You are the one that thinks they have it all figured out, but I assure you the opposite is true!

 

Now before I spit you out, I have some more chewing to do. You labeled me a conservative/spewing conservative talking points. First of alk I am an independent, with a libertarian lean. Secondly, I know many liberals who are aware and troubled by the marxist influence of the political left, just as many conservatives are troubled by the neo-cons. This is not an issue that only pertains to conservatives, speaking of the dangers of marxist influence.

 

But of course people like you love definitions and labels. So any anti-commy is a right wing hack! Right? Sadly you are wrong, very wrong.

 

Before you respond to a post, make sure you read and understand what the poster is saying before you respond. Otherwise, you will unwisely respond in ignorance.

 

BTW. Neo-liberalism is the SAME as neo-marxism. The neo-marxist reference comes from David Horowits, who is a former member of the marxist movement! Think before you speak. Read before you write.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 03:46 | 3318624 dunce
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When an individual gets super wealthy, he can pass most of his wealth to his heirs that usually waste most of it after a few generations. Corporations have a theoretical life span of forever as do country's governments. When the corporations are owned and controlled by governments they may become immortal monsters. Ordinary businesses are run by and for people owners that have human concerns and life spans. These govt. corporations could have controlling tentacles in many counties yet be not really answerable to any of them as many multi- nationals are currently. Individuals talk of being citizens of the world but a corporation might be just that effectively. Many corporations have revenues that exceed the GDP of some counties and there is no practical limit to their growth since they do not have a finite life span.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 08:37 | 3318874 spooz
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What country are you talking about? How about when corporations own and control the government, like in the US?

"When the corporations are owned and controlled by governments they may become immortal monsters.  These govt. corporations "

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 09:41 | 3319032 The Unabonger
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Excellent Excellent analysis.

It's not about left or right.

Its about power and what works to serve power. 

The rest is smoke and distraction.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:00 | 3319723 Lord Of Finance
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You dang right!  Both of these fronts(left and right) pose a grave danger to this nation. They crave power through political influence. There are many other stealth groups with hidden agendas, but these two are the most dangerous and well known. On second thought, they are only well known to those of us who read/study history/philosophy/current events.

 

The definitons are the distraction. That is how they remain stealth. They want you to get into the definitions so that they can say,"I am not a marxist! Just look at what defines a marxist. Now based on the definition, do I sound like a marxist?" Or a neo-conservative for that matter?

 

Let me put it this way. These political liberals are do-gooders. They are hypocrits. Most marxist sympathisers are hypocrits. Read about Marx himself. He became a hypocrit later on.

You see, guys like Obama can claim they are not socialist/marxist by saying,"look at me. I bailed out the big banks. Therefore I am not a marxist or sympathetic."  Then the useful idiots say, "oh yeah. Thats right! I looked up the definition of marxism on wiki and Obama does not fit the full description/definition."

 

These modern day usefool idiots fall right into the trap, by being distracted by the exact defining terms.

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