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This Is Why Central Planners Are So Scared of Italy's Beppe Grillo
Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Incredible Video: Beppe Grillo Dissects the Financial System... on 1998
“Whom does the money belong to? Who does its ownership belong to? To the State fine…then to us, we are the State. You know that the State doesn’t exist, it is only a legal entity. WE are the state, then the money is ours…fine. Then let me know one thing. If the money belongs to us…Why…do they lend it to us??”
- Beppe Grillo in 1998
If you really want to know why Beppe Grillo is causing Central Planners throughout the European continent to wet themselves, this video will show you. There’s a real revolution happening in Italy. This guy is the real deal and he understands the heart of the whole issue plaguing the world. All I can say is: WOW.
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I've tweeted that yt-vid a week ago, nice some more people are seeing it.
That video makes clear that Beppe isn't just hopping on the bandwaggon of crisis to get some votes.
W m5s W honest italians
Wow. I mean wow! Social change is afoot. Never goes according to plan.
dear beppo,
stay away from grassy knolls
hugs,
chunky mark, MP http://www.youtube.com/chunkymark
Go Beppe, go! Bring down this fradualent system of debt imolation and release us from our chains of debt slavery! Fuck the Euro and fuck the system, time for positive change bitchez!
More hot tub orders have been placed
RIP George Carlin
He would have been a great president.
The jesters for office - brilliant.
One of the ways you know you’re living in a closed society is that only, only the Jester can criticize the king and keep his head. The Jester has freedoms the King’s advisers don’t have because no matter how scathing a truth he exposes he can always claim to be only kidding. In America the power is disbursed, and the critics get pink slips instead of decapitation, but the result is the same. Most of the media are boot licking cronies of the authoritarian class, anyone with any real integrity gets booted out of the industry or relegated to alternative media. What’s left is a select few comedians who expose the idiotic idiosyncrasies of the sociocrats.
http://silverunderground.com/2013/01/jon-stewart-trounces-paul-krugman/
I propose a partnership:
Beppe Grillo and Nigel Farage.
He recognizes the problem, as some others do.
The real question is, what does your solution look like?
His solution is similar to Bill Still's ideas: The government (not the banks) issues National Currency that is debt free and interest free.
One thing I never understood was, if it isn't backed by gold or silver, then what is it backed by? Regardless, a government-issued currency would be much better than a bank-issued Note which requires interest payments.
Bill Still is nothing but a statist and monetary wolf in sheep's clothing, who not only advocates for the continued government monopoly on the issuance of money, but who HATES sound money of any form, and who has repeatedly and consistently spread disinformation and lies about gold and silver's past, and superior, roles as monetary backing and as part of the monetary system. Beware this man and his pro-government lies!
Ladies, we are moving far and beyond exchanging energy for paper backed by non physical (paper) debt...i mean that system sucks (the life out of the world). ''Buffet (crony capitalist club); knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.'' I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about what we carry forward that is the same as the current system...but rather the 'fact' that if the 'universe' is in fact inifinite...then anything you are able to think of...whatever that may be...somewhere in this infinite universe MUST exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfQtb-gGvY
This blog is hilarious - a bunch of day trading wizard money runners who know nothing about economics, yet insist the world will end any day.
It's been a tough couple of years since gold has been down, hasn't it bugs?
If you are the real Paul Krugman then you have my sympathies. If you just named yourself as such on ZH because you are a PK acolyte then you have my sympathies.
playing the character. Paul would not lower himself to play amongst the plebs.
This isn't PK. He's an awesome troll in his own way.
I just hope Beppe Grillo doesn't become the new Archduke Ferdinand.
Borrowing money from a private bank seems crazy, but everyone does it.
There is no opposition. There are only owned pawns on the chessboard. That's why John McCain hates Paul Rand and Ted Cruz so much.
One and half years are by no means 'tough couple'. What is interesting are the years to come; gold bugs are long-term runners, particularly, when considering the huge manipulative efforts interfering the gold market. Maybe some runners here know a little about economics but certainly not so little to be eligible to qualify for Nobel Prize.
In fact, I think no one here really insists the world will end one day. However, many insist the screwed statist oligarchic system will inevitably fail one day, including me.
Nevertheless, I appreciate your courage to be here, whoever you are. Stay with us.
As an FYI, Bill Still ran for the Libertarian nomination for POTUS 2011, and 2012 and lost.
Yes, which only made a total mockery, and which only further exemplified the thorough statist infiltration and total irrelevance, of the US Libertarian Party (if Bob Barr's prior nomination in 2008 did not in fact finish the job). And this comes from a person who was a member of the LP for over 20 years, so I (sadly) know whereof I speak.
Everything is relative.
Is Bill Still more correct than not for calling the monopoly game of "virtuously circular economics" using monopolistic "faith fiat" as it is?
If so, or if not, who is it that's calling it "closer" to the truth?
I put no hero status on any man, and always remind myself that all have weaknesses and vices, but in a world defined less by absolutes than by relativity, is what Bill Still proclaims about the structural deficiencies and inherent criminality of our modern monetary system more insightful and reasonable rather than more flawed with an ulterior motive?
With respect, TIS (as I do have much respect for you), there is a profound difference between making a valid diagnosis and prescribing a healthy course of treatment. Bill Still may to some extent offer the former, but he most certainly does NOT offer the latter, both for his vehement defense of the government monopoly on the issuance of money, as well as for his loathing for gold. Moreover, his frequently repeated half-truths and outright falsehoods regarding monetary history, and particularly gold and silver's role within it, force me to inherently distrust anything the man has to say.
I always thought Still has essentially maintained that either a gold or silver standard would be preferable to any no-limit fiat creation system, as would any monetary system using the inherent discipline of currency backed by anything of tangible, inherent value which cannot be debased endlessly via dilution?
TIS, from all that I have read of Bill Still's monetary theories and positions, he has almost as much loathing, and as many bad things to say, about precious metals-backed "hard money" as any modern-day Keynesian. If I am incorrect in that assessment, however, I welcome any correction that you can provide.
Sounds like a a run of the mill monetarist or "greenbacker".
"One thing I never understood was, if it isn't backed by gold or silver, then what is it backed by?
Money has always been backed by imagination. Imagine there is gold in the vault. Imagine a banker telling you the truth.
the US FRN is backed by the full faith and credit of the USA (inc)
silly rabbit!
Never underestimate the power of delusion.
You appear to be right, flacon.
http://www.nationofchange.org/money-people-grillo-s-populist-plan-italy-1362840596
Regarding your question:
ANSWER:
"MONEY"
IS BACKED
BY MURDER.
"One thing I never understood was, if it isn't backed by gold or silver, then what is it backed by? "
Bombs
Money is always backed by work. Money / Gold is useless unless people are working and creating and trading / sharing their efforts. The problem is that if it is not also tied to something tangible, then the manipulation / theft leads to so much loss of work, that it ceases being money at all.
Didn't we try this experiment with Continentals, and Greenbacks?
"Didn't we try this experiment with Continentals, and Greenbacks?"
The Continentals worked very well until the British sent over three boatloads of counterfeit Continentals. One sank off the coast of South Carolina but the other two made it to shore. This was sufficient to de-value those that were in circulation wrecking the Continental.
That is nothing but a lie and pure pro-fiat revisionist nonsense, I suspect originating from the malicious, sound-money-hating camp of Bill Still the Fiat Shill. In fact, the fiat Continental Dollar began depreciating relative to the silver Spanish Dollar from the very moment of its inception, and any possible British counterfeiting of it was not more than secondarily responsible for its declining value.
I bet you probably believe that the German Mark of the 1920s also "worked very well", until being counterfeited by some nefarious enemies of the miracle of purely fiat currency, too.
Sorry, but this was researched and printed by Alexander Del Mar in the mid 1880's (I believe it was in his book "The Science of Money" a book well worth reading (as well as his others) and obviously was published long before Political Correctness was a gleam in the eyes of the liberals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_del_Mar
Putting up a pic of Alexander del Mar doesn't make your claim reliable. I call bullshit.
When John Adams was in France, he and Abigail used to write each other the most wonderful letters. In one, Abigail, who ran a dry goods store out of her farm, wrote of 2 women who came to buy fabric and offered her Continentals as payment. She refused them and demanded "hard money."
From one point of view it's backed by the goods on the internal market which you can acquire with it, since the government enforcing it's use for all internal payments.
From another point of view it's backed by the guns which do the aforementioned enforcing.
Power of tacit consent.
if you dont back a currency with precious metals you need to back it with some other tangeble commodity. Nazi Germany came up with a system that worked, they had no gold or oil resources so they had to come up with something else. in order for a mark to be issued a unit of labor or a good had to be produced to back it up first. this allowed them to have a solid, debt-free currency. hitler may have been a madman but that was one of the few good ideas he came up with, and when put into practice it did work quite well.
Let me write you a history lession from a book in 2050 if he wins....
Grillo killed 20 million Jews and Gypsies..
I'm such a proponent of free speech that I would go to the ends of the earth to defend your RIGHT to say whatever you wish to say (POSSIBLY short of yelling Fire! in a crowded theater...possibly...), including that which you just did, and I actually encourage the most idiotic people to speak up and identify themselves, removing all doubt.
not sure if you really got what he meant
Wow, if I missed the implication that "those who write history" will vilify Beppe Grillo in future textbooks in the event that the truths he speaks about the current Crime Syndicate that is "banking/finance" that literally owns the "elected political bodies" of "sovereign governments" gain widespread traction, and this movement threatens the status quo, I apologize.
Sorry Max but it will be at least another 2 generations away before it can be pretended that WW2 never happened.
Not THAT it happened,,, WHY it happened.. That's what will never be objectively discussed.. FED dude.. I don't need a fucking thing from you. You can go pound sand.. You and all the other dumb asses that didn't understand my comment.
Sorry I'm new - I understand from what you said this : Hitler attempted to annihilate millions of Jews because the top Jews had taken over the banking system throughout the world. Tell me I'm wrong. Why not just use gold and silver like Grilo is saying and make usury a crime again like it still supposedly is in Islamic countries.
No need to exterminate a race to do it, just declare paper money worthless and let pm's fill the gap.
do you have any idea how much physical gold the rothschild banking system controls as a result of the fiat currrency scam? just going back to a gold standard is not enough to fix things...
My theory is if one person in the world has all the money then the entire system stops. So he's the richest with all the gold, what will he do with it? He won't pay anyone because that means distributing some of it in return for labour.
Anyway I have a few oz of gold and a few lb of silver and I have bought htese things and bought a house with worthless pieces of paper so I'll be in the top 10% when the shit hits the fan. nanana
you elect. others select who is nominated for election
Yeah, guy whom u r referencing took a real money for a stunt from Henry Ford. Case u r right, would it be a Garbage Motors to finance the event ?
Max, this is an interesting comment that could be incredibly insightful or pretty callous, depending on what wasn't stated in your rather cryptic message. The reader will read into it whatever the reader wants to read into it.
They are already comparing him to Mussolini - so we didn't have to wait nearly as long as 2050 before he is demonized.
"His opponents see a dangerous populist who evokes memories of fascist dictator Benito Mussolini."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-italy-vote-grillo-insight-i...
Since you left it open, I'm going to read into it that TPTB only highlight the evil of those that don't suit their agenda while covering up the evil that is their agenda. I don't think you are claiming that Hitler was a good guy simply painted as bad by the Debt Money Tyrants. I would expect the banksters to spin everything bad against Hitler, but that doesn't mean he was a good guy. If you are equating Hitler and Beppe as equivalents, that's pretty callous, IMHO, and contrary to the historical record.
Let me use a specific example to show how equivalent actions are highlighted or black holed.
TPTB today use Hitler's ghetto techniques to murder 10s of millions of people, many children, in broad daylight.
Netflix "A Film Unfinished" and then Netflix "Empire in Africa."
The only difference between the techniques of Hitler in Warsaw and Biggest Finance Capital in sub Saharan Africa is that Biggest Finance Capital doesn't need walls because the land area is so expansive.
1. Impose wicked rulers over the people
2. Deny resources ot the people
3. Watch them wither and die
The only upgrades appear to be better propaganda - thank goodness for Edward Bernays!
The current bankster cirminals murder more people every year using Hitlers ghetto techniques at a nation state level than Hitler did in total - BUT THIS FACT DOESN'T HIT THE PAPERS OR THE HISTORY BOOKS!
In an Alex Jones voice, "Hitler was a tyrant, Stalin was a tyrant, Mao was a tyrant, Pol Pot was a tyrant, the bankers are tyrants. All these tyrants fight each other and they are all bad! 1776 worldwide - wake up people and throw off the tyrants!"
Judaics and their stooges started telling this lie of "the genocide of 6M innocent Jews" (i.e. "holocaustianity") in the early 20th C. It never really stuck so good till the whole Hitler thing. Of course, it helps to spread the religion and icon of holocaustianity when you pass laws imprisoning persons who do not worship at the Rabbinical throne (i.e. laws criminalizing and tossing in prison persons who pracrtice the thought crime of holocaust-denial...such is the case in Canada and 17 EU nations where Talmudism rules).
Similar to the three god-forsaken decades now jew land has been predicting that Iran wants to kill all the jews.
Let's see now: jew-sycophant USA deposes a duly elected moderate Islamic Iranian government then installs jew-USA friendly Shaw by force in Iran. Now we have the gaul to cry foul when Iran wants a nuclear weapon to defend itself agains the USA and Israel?
How many western shrines are erected with tax dollars honoring 20M dead Europeans killed in the USSR by Russian jew bolsheviks like Bill Crystal's father? (faux news)
Max: Why don't we just pass laws right now criminlizing anyone who disagrees with you, because it might endanger the lives of jews? Go hammer a nail with your head please, soon and often.
Government takes direct control of fiat money printing without bankster interference. The original video ultimately suggests that sound money is bad from what I get. The government will never do what is suggested in "burning" money when it is too plentiful. Whatever, all fiat will fail no matter the ass it is shit out of.
I fundamentally disagree with you that "government" will overthrow the bankers. The bankers run the government and have put people in place that will do their bidding.
The government is not sovereign... period.
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
If the government were sovereign, they wouldn't let private interests control its funding. The government plays the role of the broke, powerless child while the bankers play the role of the the wealthy parents. Isn't this obvious? The mega banksters are sovereign, NOT THEIR PUPPETS IN GOVERNMENT... BY DEFINITION! Debt Money Tyrants http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=... If you are waiting for the puppets who pretend to represent the citizens to stand up to the bankers, you are betting against 100+ years of history. Good luck with that.- Napoleon Bonaparte
The possible absence of a solution doesn't have to stand in the way of getting rid of the problem.
Brilliant! +1
just for the record.
Nigek Farage had a private dinner at Rupert Murdochs residence.
The future will show if he can withstand the devil.
Nigel Farage is very much the voice of a certain segment of the press in the UK, said segment being mostly the Daily Mail and Murdoch's newspapers. He has never said a single word against the City of London, the current economic model or Financial institutions in the UK and he's actually the son of a City stockbroker.
He blames the EU for everything, just like said newspapers have been doing for 20 years. He never blames the snakes in his own country, certainly never the ones in finance.
Grillo is genuine.
Nigel Farage is a hypocrit in the pocked of the pupetters in the UK who control what the UK government does, but found it impossible to control the EU and want the UK out of it to regain whatever power they have lost to it.
Farage is a banker. He's the best we have as an alternative to the establishment but he's not a Grillo, at least according to the videdo anyway. For any new English comedian to get heard they have to get on the BBC - no chance if you aren't socialist.
which establishment? the one building the EU or the one that is busy proposing a new transatlantic trade treaty between the US and the EU? the one that curbs bonuses for bankers or the one that supports the hyperhypothecating megabank branches in the City?
It takes a comedian to scratch the tip of the fraudberg in an era of Orwellian surreality. Grillo is commenting on "that which not be spoken of" as, consequently, will be labeled a "conspiracy theorist," "whacko," and assorted other pejoratives by the "real economists" (all of members of The University/Church of Dogmatism & [Non] Critical Thinking.
Also, I'm not of Italian ancestry (not that I know of, at any rate), but if I were, I'd feel quite "proud" (not to be confused with nationalistic) that there's an Italian who speaks (and did speak to this issue back in 1998, which Haager in the very first comment rightfully emphasized, in terms of a litmus test of his Grillo's sincerity) so forcefully, passionately, and, in my opinion, very much more correctly than not, about the core fraud that is at the center of modern finance/banking system of axiomatic fraud, which currently props up the entire Pyramid/Ponzi scheme, to the detriment of the overwhelming mega-majority of the world's population.
And even though Barry "I'm Pining for More Guest Appearances on CNBS & Bloomberg" Ritholtz has had recently seen the light of the status quo, and will vehemently object, fiat still is what fiat still does:
Fiat = Fractional Reserve Seed Planted Allowing For Regular & Frequent Harvest
Finally, because I'M NOT DOGMATIC, here's some good stuff from the late James Goldsmith, much of which the peeps at LearnLiberty would take exception to, espousing some things that can't be squeezed, pushed or stuffed into any narrow intellectual framework, paradigm or "school of thought," where he essentially states, as one who had a direct role in creating what is called our modern day "free trade" system, that it was all designed and has been used to NOT INCREASE THE WEALTH OF NATIONS, but rather, HAS BEEN USED TO FURTHER CONCENTRATE WEALTH BY ARTIFICIALLY "FIXING" THE PRICE OF LABOR:
Too bad George Carlin isn't still alive.
I hope the world will learn more about the real Beppe Grillo in the months and years that follow (maybe; is there a true free media anywhere, though?)...
...my comments were addressing this speech by him, in which he identified one of the primary cancers in the current Crony Capitalist System (aka just another form of Economic Match Fixing, dressed in the grandfatherly garments of Warren Buffett).
the "real Beppe Grillo" is irrelevant, by design... of Beppe Grillo
he spent consideral effort in building a movement that does not need a leader and that is not supposed to become an established party
point in case: he wasn't even a candidate, and so was not elected
and the main drive of this movement is corruption, and their 120 points in their program
More philosopher, than a comedian.
"Always question the received reality" - George Carlin
Mort Sahl and Johnanthn Winters would have a field day with these clowns now. Milestones
Better to have a laugh than a cry.
“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.”
“I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, …The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.”
- Rothschild
That from the guy who names himself after the greatest jester of them all.
Name me one politician who is not a complete clown.
Ron Paul
try again. ron paul is just as much a clown as any other politician. i don't give a shit what he's for or against, what he talks about, what his platform is or anything else. he's still a politician that hasn't done anything meaningful against the bigger interests behind the green curtain. he's still on the payroll, he still works for the same left-right paradigm, he still wears a little flag pin on his lapel like most of the other nazis. i don't give a shit which part of the right wing he is, he's still a part of it.
you people fall for words all the time, every election cycle it comes around, and you stubbornly cling to the bullshit as though it were what's going to save everything. it's really funny. if ron paul isn't a clown, why is he not in the white house? why is this man of elevated conscience and morals NOT in the president's chair?
go ahead and tout the clown ron paul. he's done absolutely nothing but spout words.
when ron paul can look 9-11 dead in the gob and be 100% on board for uncovering that shithole of lies, i'll then consider that he might not be a clown. until then, pass the popcorn. there are no politicians worth their salt. fuck voting for any of them, the system is broken.
ron paul is a clown, period.
say...how's the audit the fed movement going?
It is doing far better than it was say, 30 years ago. Ron Paul planted the seeds.
Don't blame Dr. Paul because he was not able to single handedly able to uncover the truth behind your personal crusade. He must convince 500+ other reptards who are, by the way, the voice of the people that elected them. It is up to the people to change...not the politicians.
You don't turn a ship this big, in a span of two election cycles. Even Dr. Paul reconizes this.
Then why does every asshole here criticize Occupy for not having accomplished anything within the nanosecond of its existence? Lunacy and Hypocrisy. They don't like the message they think they hear, so they go apeshit lunatic ballistic, not making any sense, because hypocrisy is transparent. If it's OK to give certain issues time to take hold, then that same accommodation has to be uniformly applied, or it's disingenuous, which is also transparent.
Just look at who is making these criticisms and who is repeating what they hear. People just do not think and repeat what they have been fed. That fact that you are here posting puts you somewhere in the thinking class.
I would never dream of criticizing Occupy for doing jack and shit... I thank them for it!
Occupy didn't directly accomplish their stated goals because they were drawn into a covert extermination (war would imply both sides had an army) by our police state. Their effort, and their demise, certainly opened my eyes to how any organized movement against the system will be systematically snuffed out by propaganda, disinformation, and our militarized police force. All the while our nations sheeple will be mind washed into believing that their government is saving them from the next big threat.
It took the fact that our banking system brought the world to near financial collapse to spark Occupy. What is it going to take before the next movement springs up?
At least those kids tried something, what have you done to try and change the status quo?
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Occupy isn't dead, and it didn't disappear. In fact, Occupy is the same multinational movement that is still protesting across the globe. It should be clarified that Occupy is not the only group obviously participating or staging these protests, but it's an integral part. The movement in the US is working on behinds the scenes issues, and I suspect will appear more publicly when the right situation surfaces, which could garner more public support. The only thing Occupy offered was protection in numbers, and an open forum for discussion of ideas and grievances. The discussion was driven by those who were there. Lots of people also showed up that didn't have strong opinions except that something had to be done by somebody.
Look for the movement to likely resurface in the next few months... it's not up to me, but if it was, we'd be marching through the streets every month to show people they don't need to be afraid to dissent, they can come out and join the conversation / debate / hit list.
Since the world situation is not improving, I think it's safe to say Occupy will resurface shortly. Don't hate us, we're actually here to make life better for people. We are not the oligarchs.
By the way, there are many people there who are not even remotely kids. There are some young people there, but Occupy has people ranging from 18 to 80, and average might be well past 30. I'm 49. Lots of educators, professionals too.
Indeed. I hope your right and their is a resurgence, but i don't see anything coming comparable to 2011 unless their is another significant event.
Forgive my succinct and bereft language on this site, as I'm guilty of speaking in Crayola on these forums. I traveled halfway across the country to visit Zuccotti at it's height, and lets say I haven't been carded for my bourbon in some time.
I just wish they'd meet with other groups against the status quo and find common ground. Like the Tea Party, "fringe" leftist Democrats, Libertarian-leaning Repubs, etc. Find common areas of agreement, prune some of the non-starters and move forward as a unified movement with limited goals.
For instance Occupy, please punch that idiot woman with the "my education shoud be free" sign after she said she went to NYU for a Womens' Studies major and racket up $100K in student loans and is shocked she can't find a triple-figure job. T-party, punch that idiot guy yelling at John Lewis with alleged racial slures. Repubs and Dems, throw Feinstein, Maxine Waters, Grahama and McShame into an active volcano. No need to form a lasting "super party" that becomes over time a corrupt institution like the existing Duopoly. Just fix the current problem and then go back to sniping each other over lesser problems.
Co-oopting of both movements is not reason for one to criticize another. Unless you are a tool of The Fucking POWERS that FUCKING BE (TFPTFB).
Well???? To quote the Who, "Who the fuck are you?"
Ron Paul had how many decades to expose this Federal Reserve black letter law criminal behavior?
Weapons of Mass Debt
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
The Fed has criminally and knowingly broken section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act and Paul runs around pretending these criminals are "misguided" and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER calls them out for their obvious criminal behavior.
Now, is Paul a whole lot better than eveyrone else? Sure.
But he's still blocking for the money power behind the Fed, just not nearly as much as his fellow "linemen."
Where was Paul's initiative to put an "or else 20 years in jail" clause in the Federal Reserve Act to keep those criminals honest with the threat of punishment?
Oh, it doesn't exist, so the Fed can keep on doing its criminal behavior with no remedy in law.
BTW, when has paul ever shown people a chart similar to the one posted above?
When has Paul ever informed people that a debt based monetary system is a fraud from the foundation up?
What leads to his conclusion Bernanke and crew are "misguided" instead of criminal in nature? His ignorance? Or his flavor of blocking technique?
Why isn't Paul telling everyone that the mega corporations are owned/financed by the very same money power that controls the Fed and the government?
Paul is not the Messiah. Again, he's excellent on a relative basis, but don't expect the full story from Paul.
Ron's problem is the country he is trying to save has too many over grown little boys such as yourself.
Retired. Try again.
How it is different from what we've got now?
That's ok Paul,you're running for execution.I'm sure you will win. Krugamn is so smart that he's fucking stupid.
The Nobel Price to Krugman - brilliant.
The Nobel committee must have a sense of humor.
I think the Peace Prize to that Kenyan guy made that clear.
Sense of humor nothing, the Nobel Committee has an agenda.
With QE4EVA, (printing at $85bn a month) and debt at the ceiling and all you've got for it is 12m unemployed, 48 million on foodstamps and China's trade surplus glaringly re-emerging, "the jesters" are already IN office, (at The Fed!) Only that bunch of clowns ain't funny.
Boiled rope is appropriate for the Central bankster installed technocrats.
you mad!
He understands money more than you do! Your honor Sir Dr. Krugman, Paul
>>The jesters for office - brilliant.<<
Says the deceptive sophist spewing ad hominem logical fallacy attacks while adding nothing contrary to the actual points made by Beppe.
Oh, that's right, your paycheck is paid by the criminals running Debt Money Tyranny - so the logical fallacy pays well.
If you aren't Krugman, you impersonate him quite well.
Court jesters have become kings.
"The jesters for office - brilliant."
You shouldn't be surprised as the tradition of 'jesters for office' has it's deep roots in the double-jester American voting system. The difference is that the European jesters can laugh at their king whereas the American ones must lick his ass.
Holy Smokes..
This was just before the Euro was imposed on them.
Whoda’ thunk that Italian for “exogenous” would be spelled G R I L L O.
Shooting people is so passe. Now they give them cancer.
REAL REPORTING from this link:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/10/292776/united-states-of-murder-c...
"When the most powerful empire on earth insists on resolving disputes through murder, rather than reasoned dialogue, that empire has become a cancer on the world."
It is beyond sadness and some sort of melancholy cognitive dissonance when this is more than likely happening in the face of a world that is supposedly built on the finer morals and ethics of a civilized society. We are approaching a whole new paradigm where the babylonians have finally almost convinced everyone that yes, black is white, and 2+2=5. The set up to make the USA look like the modern nazi germany has gone well as planned. When this nation of lemmings falls, crashes, and burns, thus taking most of the world down with it, many of the other nations of people will cheer and be glad that those mean ol wicked over consuming seditious warmongering socialist/fascist/communist/capitalist all the same puppet Americans, and their well supported babylonian govt of the evil satan's god money is gone. After that, the modern version of the Nuremberg war criminal trials will take place for the next decade, as each and every one of those responsible for this crash and burn are properly and forthrightly brought to the Scales of Justice. The public hangings will be record breaking pay-per view as all the world watches them banksters hang in the gallows swing.
Yep, this guy is a dead man walking. Of course we're all just conspiracy theorists... now... and after he dies. And the "officials" who deem his death natural or a suicide will still be "officials" afterward.
Why? Because officialdom has nothing to do with credibility and everything to do with power. Have a nice day and enjoy your servitude.
Yeah... I hope he is sweating so much because he is wearing a heavy bullet proof vest.
The 'GOOD' die young.
The new era corporate facists will see to that.
Beppe no long annoys them. He has now become a threat.
my sentiments exactly. do WE really think/believe/hope this spark of TRUTH is going to be let to shine light on the EVIL EMPIRE? I'M HOPING/PRAYING/TELEPATHING MY OPTIMISM TO YA BEPPE. TAKE THE BASTARDS DOWN!
And WHERE are all the Beppes in AMERIKA? SCUMBAG POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES!
If there's a good definition of plan is that things never go according to it.
I like this guy!
They call him a clown but he has clearly more brains than all the politicians in my country COMBINED!!
I wish I had a president like him....
I told you: we will realize your dreams
Evelyn de Reuters says
Most of the strategy is decided by Gianroberto Casaleggio, an Internet expert who seldom appears in public .., and his Milan-based firm Casaleggio Associates whose business is to create websites and web-based marketing campaigns for clients.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-italy-vote-grillo-insight-i...
and casaleggio Has A Dream to share with you. global government. brought to you by the InterMatrikz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCbjA-yVsRc
it *has* to be good if it elected bill and barry.
the numbnutz in this country elected bill and barry
in defense of the numbnutz, they were/are ignorant of their alternatives outside the 2 big control parties...
This 'Gaia' business... Sounds alluring, but tell me: Who controls the money supply?
Good links SG. So what is Grillo's movement then? Controlled opposition? Or a new front in a push toward global government?
In the Reuters article, the main media channel of Tavistock appears to be throwing dirt on a most inconvenient populist eruption.
Yet the "Gaia cult" is the motive force behind "sustainability" which represents a major justification of the elites in their push toward global government. At least the video contains one bit of good news: they've now doubled the surviving population estimate to 1 billion from 500 million! Sustainable redefined.
They should have kept it at 500m... If francis_sawyer makes it in, I'm just to piss in their soup...
Wake up and smell the air:
I think you will find out that to achieve their aims the elites have used everything they could, including the idea of Free Markets (how do you think global free trade was justified).
I wouldn't tar the entire concept of sustainability just because some might have piggy-backed on it to push their own agendas.
In the expectation that you can understand mathematics and Game Theory, I suggest you read all about "Negative externalities" and "Tragedy of the Commons" if you want to understand the need of Sustainability.
I am familiar with the the concepts you mention. And you are correct that there are other facets to the elite agenda. The problem with the video we see linked above (and those whose truly horrific agenda it thinly veils) is the direct link between an openly communicated number for global population that is billions lower than current level, the use of term Gaia (signifying earth goddess worship), and the vagueness about the path from current population levels back to 1 billion. Sustainability is a code word for this line of thinking in certain circles. The term has been the subject of a concerted propaganda programming campaign to make it a positive one in the public mind.
I'd call what I believe you are speaking of responsible environmental stewardship because of the real dual nature of the term "sustainable". Agree that it is very important.
Pertinent question: If the elite's sustainability plans are carried out are you and your family members in the 6 billion+ who will die or the 1 billion (-) who will survive?
The fact that this is even a question seems a most relevant point to mention in light of all of the quite favorable talk about Grillo on this thread.
The impression I have is almost the opposite.
The term Gaia is far older than anything you see out there (there are religious associations to it, I believe) but there doesn't seem there is all that much going about Gaia in the mainstream and certainly the science-trained amongst those with echological concerns don't seem to subscribe to any Gaia pseudo-religiosity about our planet (it's more of a fashionable meme amongst the hippy crowd).
As for the propaganda about sustainability in general, it seems to me the it's overwelmingly against it rather than for it.
This is all consistent if you "follow the money":
- While there might or not be new businesses, markets and money to make from being "green" there are already a lot of people doing a lot of money from activities that have negative externalities (such as polution, overfishing, destructive mining and others) which they don't have to pay for. Said people will naturally deploy part of that money to protect the status quo and avoid or delay anything that might force them to pay for the negative externalities of their activities. PR, Marketting, Lobbying and all sorts of propaganda activities will be amongst the ways they will use their money to try and influence legislators and the population in general. Meanwhile on the side of the "green" industries, there is still far less money to use for that purpose, which is why it took many decades just to address the most visible things such as air polution (ending smog) and water polution (cleaning and restoring dead, poluted rivers), and many of the least visible ones have barelly been touched.
Look beyond the surface. You live in Portugul, correct? What I am talking about has been on the move in the US for some time now, especially targeted at the younger population. It is also in part what was behind some of the global warming BS in past years. It is the use of an environmental scare justification to exert influence that motivates progress toward global government. It is not any real Gaia religiousity nor is it grounded in any genuine environmental concern. It is purely a means to an end using power dynamics by a very sick group of puppies.
Agriculture and sustainability is as oxymoronic as consumerism and sustainability or statism and sustainability. History knows of no exception this rule.
From the linked video:
"1954: First world elections... every human can become president"
really? still "One to rule them all"?
Casaleggio Ass. is part of the Aspen Institute (2012 head of the italian branch: former italian finance minister Giulio Tremonti). The Aspen Institute is financed by the Carnegie Trust, Rockefeller Foundation and so on.
One of the five founding members of Casaleggio Associati is this guy:
Enrico Sassoon
Managing director of Harvard Business Review Italia (published by StrategiQs Edizioni, of which he is co-founder and managing director), President of Leading Events (The Ruling Companies Association) and President of Global Trends. He is further Board Member e Presidente del Comitato Affari Economici of the American Chamber of Commerce in Italy and Board Member of Aspen Institute Italia. From 1998 to 2006 he was at the head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Italy. From 1977 to 2003 he had several positions in the Il Sole 24 Ore (important italian business daily, like WSJ or FT), first as Special Envoy, then as managing director of the publications Mondo Economico, L’Impresa and Impresa Ambiente. From 2005 to 2008 he has been managing director of the online publication Affari Internazionali.Dal sito (International Affairs)
When the system is so corrupt that clowns entertainers and actors start appealing to voters, we are doomed. Clowns entertainers and actors make great politicians… until they get in office and have to run the freak circus. Then these same clueless aspirants get owned by the corrupt banks, MIC and multinational corporations. Same as it ever was. Witness Ronald Reagun, Al Franken, Jesse Ventura.
Pubic Education system of America dooms the USA to the same tripe. Headline the names for the free show and the assclownerate will follow and get their asses fleeced just like in a Las Vegas casino.
FORWARD SOVIET!!!
Just curious: how exactly is it that Jesse Ventura is "owned by the corrupt banks, MIC and multinational corporations?
Don't take the bait.
Thanks for the warning.
So you think I'm trolling? Not at all. I stand by what I said. But I did leave out Arnie, tjhe biggest con-man of them all.
Jesse Ventura's antics are well known. He pushes a lot of libertarian buttons and that makes him like some kind of hero. It's just marketing, folks. He sells a particular brand. If it says politician on the label, it stinks, that's all you need to know.
Ventura learned his grandstanding trade well while color commentator at WWF and used it to good effect in his politicking. Donald Trump backs the man, FFS.
'Nough said.
Trump and Ventura maverick heroes who are going to tear the house down? Please. This is all just a show. The banks, MIC and multinationals are creaming themselves just thinking about somebody like Ventura anywhere near the White House or US Congress.
Don't believe you're right about Jesse. End of conversation.
Alright by me. I was simply responding to your question.
Public education is incarceration of the innocent, prison for the youth and the enslavement of children.
PROSECUTE THE WAR CRIMINALS!
Another Zeitgeist-like con? lol...
Mamma Mia, thatsa one spicy meatball!
I hate to be a negative nattering nay bob, but I doubt it. We have seen this shining hope candidate in 20 countries during the last 4 years and nothing ever changes. How is that extreme socialist in France workin' out? How bout the story about the Germans not allowing money printing because of the deep scars of the 20's? What about the Greek candidates who swore to leave the Euro? I do believe it was the great poet Earthquake that said so eloquently "Hammmmmbbuuuurga!"
First they will do anything to discredit him. ANYTHING. And then plan B.
or just cut straight to the chase and Breitbart him . . . . . .
Plan B:
polonium 210: Hard to detect and decays naturally over time...
"Polonium makes a good weapon. Its large alpha particles of radiation do not penetrate the skin and don't set off radiation detectors
http://news.yahoo.com/polonium-210-kill-150704498.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
We have Rompuy, Barroso & Draghi . That's the real comedy .
Can we play Bohemian Park with them ... ?
Huh, what to do with his paranoid hogwash about the Illuminati, the wonders of Islamic banking and so on?
How is this not just another sign of delusional Europe's knee-jerk reversion to nationalism with fascist characteristics?
I like him too. Im not ashamed to say that watching this has given me an erection.
Chris Matthews wants to 'friend' you on his fecesbook page.
He clearly understands money and credit creation.
The ruthless and evil central planners have their central planners have their own hit squads. Banksters have unlimited funds make the people that foul their plans disappear. This guy and their party better watch their backs.
Strange accidents occur.
The only way the central planners are defeated are by overwhelming force by many.
Every fascist TSTBD ( too shitty to burn down ) company has some kind of Blackwater on the payrole ...
In case of doubt, some poor mofo who plucked an Monsanto Frankenflower gets bullet in the head, and Mr. Policeman who doesn't give unlimited assistance to the hitman with american diplomatic passport could land on some call-a-drone list ....
The human monkey is slowly, but surely, waking up.
"Struggles for power within a group sometimes culminate in a revolution, in which all members of the most dominant family are suddenly attacked by entire families of subordinates. These revolutions result in drastic changes in the structure of power within rhesus societies, not unlike those occurring following human revolutions."
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-10/uoc-ham102407.php
SO the theory is this guy is going to change everything? and when was the last guy that was good or changed anything for the common man?
Didn't old man Greenspan have something to say about gold back when he started his career? how did that go?
See it for what it is, a placed distraction- this guy will not change anything.
Greenspan was always on a leash. "Irrational Exuberance". I poured booze down everyone's throat and they are drunk ? The only one irrational was Greenspan.
The only thing that is changing is the number of people who understand what Grillo was saying ... whether that can change anything else remains to be seen. However, after a movement gets to the point where 5% of the people are committed, and another 20% support them ... then that becomes something with significant potential.
However, like many other comments posted above, that also means that the banksters may change gears back to assassinations again, which is what they do with movements that depend on leaders. The only way that such a movement could continue its momentum is it was supported by people who expected that their leaders would be attacked by the banksters, and did not let that stop them???
No army can stop an idea whose time has come.
Leaders are not necessary at all.
Leaders are to the people what central planners are to the economy.
What we need are people who question every form of authority. Especially the one coming from government leaders.
Agreed. Well said too.