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40% Of Germans 40-49 Just Say "Nein" To Euro

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In news that is hardly welcome to Chancellor Merkel and her September reelection hopes, German Focus magazine revealed that a substantial 26% of all Germans would back a party that wants to quit the euro. Even more disturbing is that a whopping 40% of all Germans in the prime 40-49 age group are tired of supporting a failed monetary regime and will just say "nein" to the European globalist experiment at preserving the status quo if just given the opportunity. The Italian virus is spreading: the question is which "clown" will show up on the cover of the Economist in six short months, when at least one person will appear on the political scene to take advantage of the populist protest at endless German-backed bail outs, and what as Dylan Grice so eloquently explained earlier, is merely a reaction to central banker central planning manifesting itself in ongoing social breakdown.

From Reuters:

One in four Germans would be ready to vote in September's federal election for a party that wants to quit the euro, according to an opinion poll published on Monday that highlights German unease over the costs of the euro zone crisis.

 

Germany's mainstream parties remain solidly pro-euro despite grumbling over bailouts of countries such as Greece. A German taboo on nationalism, rooted in atonement for the crimes of the Nazi era, has helped to muffle eurosceptic voices.

 

But the poll conducted by TNS-Emnid for the weekly Focus magazine showed 26 percent of Germans would consider backing a party that wanted to take Germany out of the euro and as many as four in 10 Germans in the 40-49 age bracket would do so.

 

"This suggests there may be potential here for a new protest party," Emnid chief Klaus Peter Schoeppner told Focus.

 

The survey canvassed the views of a representative sample of 1,007 people on March 6-7.

Who will be the new German leader to appear from the ashes of populist anger? For now the answer is unclear:

A new eurosceptic movement called 'Alternative for Germany' (AfD) comprising mostly academics and business people is due to hold its first meeting later on Monday in a northern suburb of Frankfurt.

 

One of its founders, economics professor Bernd Lucke, told Focus he had no concern that it would be able to raise the required 2,000 signatures in each German region to take part in September's federal election.

 

AfD's website www.alternativefuer.de has been live since late last week and its Twitter account (@wahlalternativ1) counts 690 followers.

 

"Let's put an end to this euro!" is the message on the front page of its website.

 

"The Federal Republic of Germany is in the deepest crisis in its history. The introduction of the euro was a fatal mistake that is threatening our prosperity. The old parties are grizzled and worn out. They are stubbornly refusing to admit their mistake and correct it," it said.

And while it is unknown if Bernd Lucke or any of his peers will be the new "face" of German populist anger, one thing is certain: in Germany someone always appears in key historic moments to provide the angry masses just the conduit they desire. Whether it will also lead to preserving the European peace, the European welfare state, and preserving a banker oligarchy-enriching status quo, that we sadly can not say.

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Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:06 | 3319408 Dr. Engali
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TPTB don't give shit what the majority thinks..they sure aren't going to give a second thought to people in the minority.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:10 | 3319417 Buckaroo Banzai
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In fact, this is exactly where they want to be. Divide and conquer. Split the people 50/50 (or 60/40, that's close enough), turn them against each other, and addle them with propaganda, drugs (both legal and illegal) and sex. Hope that they figure out a way to either kill each other, or kill themselves. And most importantly, remain hidden in plain sight, as all the wealth in the world falls into your lap.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:22 | 3319446 spastic_colon
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and then elect who the TPTB want anyway

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:30 | 3319472 Bicycle Repairman
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It's just not a "democracy thing."

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:33 | 3319478 Stuck on Zero
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40% Of Germans 40-49 Just Say "Nein" To Euro

... and the others work for the government.

 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:58 | 3319540 kaiserhoff
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You can get any answer you want from a poll.

So much depends on how you ask the question. 

Wait until the pain becomes a little more obvious.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 18:12 | 3320820 earleflorida
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'a poll has many benchmarks, but the floodzone-peak is always the last to be breached... and always without warning-- for a tsunami's under-current wades in still waters?'

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:06 | 3320061 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Nein = 9:1

As in 1 Neu Merkel Mark equal 9 Euro

They are setting the exchange rate

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:38 | 3319487 Ghordius
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sure. as in "40% of a very specific age-group" is "a majority" - am I the only one that asks why this biased piece from Reuters picks only one age group? and is not even able to produce a result above 50%?

knowing the Germans if you would ask the same question about the West-Mark and the Ost-Mark you would get a similar answer

and if you'd ask them if they would prefer one currency per German Federal State the result would be similar, too, with a resounding 80% for the Bavarian Free State (home of two private currencies, btw)

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 06:51 | 3321767 Tapeworm
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A “Politically Explosive” Secret: Italians Are Over Twice As Wealthy As Germans Friday, March 8, 2013 at 6:02PM

The ECB and the national central banks of the Eurozone set out to collect “micro-level information” on household wealth. A massive bureaucratic undertaking. Surveys went out in 2010. Results are now ready. No one in Europe had ever done a survey on that scale before. And no one might ever do it again. Because, in the era of bailouts, the results are so explosive that the Bundesbank is keeping its report secret—and word has leaked out why.

Click to read more ...

http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2013/3/8/a-politically-explosive-sec...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:39 | 3319492 Ghordius
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I remember when consensus was that Germany is "reaping profits" from the EUR - what happened with that?

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 01:58 | 3321616 All Risk No Reward
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Ghordius, what happened is that the Germans thought they were building and selling things to Greece and others with the money held by the other countries.

Now it is revealed that the German pension funds are liable for the inextinguishable debts the bankers loaned from thin air to the Greeks!

In short, the Germans are now realizing that they built stuff and sold it to people who were effectively spending their pension funds to buy it!!!

That's the short version reality, the longer version of this international banking cartel Art of War financial war strategy works like this:

1. Private international banking cartel corporate banking fronts loan money to Greece they know they can't pay

Debt Money Tyranny

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

2. Greece takes the money and buys lots of goods built in Germany.  Germans are happy at this point.

3. It becomes obvious Greece is going to default on private banks, so the the ECB, controlled by the very same interests that run the private banking cartel and the state governments that borrow money from said cartel, loans the money to Greece so they can pay back the private banking institutions in full.

“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
~Napoleon Bonaparte

4. ECB, working as a front for the international banking cartel, demands colalteral for the money loaned to Greece and become determined to use German funded pension funds as collateral.

5. When the Greeks default on their unpayable debt, the German pension funds will be looted.

6. The international banking cartel financed bankster Vichy "media" will blame Greece for stealing German pension funds.

7. The schooled, instead of Trivium liberating arts educated, in Germany will suck their thumbs and blame the Greeks while the international banking cartel gets a pass - even though they are the demons orchestrating this colamity through a fraudlent debt based monetary Trojan Horse.

http://www.unpluggedmom.com/category/blog/education-transformation/edu-m...

(Start listening from the bottom up)

8. (speculation begins here) The banksters try and start up a war that will be so expensive that only a BANK OF THE WORLD (FOR THE CHILDREN!) will be able to issue debt, out of thin air, in which to finance the war.  Of course, the international banking cartel that fraudulently created the problem will orchestrate it such that they end up on top ruling everyone else.  They will be the supranational "world institution" with immunity from the laws that apply to the serfs working for the international banker multi-national corporate fronts or their subsidiaries.  The latter isn't speculation - we will almost all end up working for their version of the "company store' if they have their way.

The goal of the international banking cartel is to accumulate all the asset money they can while obligating society to pay all the liabilities that were created in tandem with the asset money.

For every dollar of asset money (a physical bill or bank credit), there is an outstanding mortgage, car loan, credit card loan, bond, bill, whatever that was used to create the dollar.

The banksters want the dollars and they want everyone else holding the obligations to pay the debt paper.  Of course, they want society to be on the hook for the toxic trash debt paper as well.

“In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
? Ezra Pound

How to be a Crook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHbwdNcHbc

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:11 | 3321685 Non Passaran
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There was never such concensus.
There's no such thing as "Germany".
The capital, exporters and political class benefited, others less so.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:38 | 3319477 hedgeless_horseman
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...one thing is certain: in Germany someone always appears in key historic moments to provide the angry masses just the conduit they desire.

Read the excellent book, They Thought They Were Free, by Milton Mayer.

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

 

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

 

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

 

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:26 | 3319905 aerojet
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I'm pretty sure they figured it all out when they were being lined up to be shot; or hung, or killed by one of any number of other awful fates, including medical experimentation. 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:26 | 3319459 SheepDog-One
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Who needs Euro's when we've got POMO's!

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:12 | 3319424 Cognitive Dissonance
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We don't really think the Ponzi takes their marching orders from "We the People" (German or otherwise) .........do we?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:22 | 3319448 Stoploss
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They're finally figuring out the Euro is the problem.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:52 | 3319527 Ghordius
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sure. come on, spill your beans, enlighten us on why the EUR "is the problem". I just hope your aswer has some serious critical thought in it, like some reference to what has happened to the global reserve currency since 1971 or why the Danes and the Swiss currently peg their currency to the EUR

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:29 | 3319640 walküre
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The Danes and the Swiss? Nice one. Denmark had their Krone pegged to the DM for as long as I can remember and the Swiss are fighting a currency war - Swiss style.

What's Ghordius background and why is he so sure that the EUR is a good thing?

 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:23 | 3320131 Ghordius
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what is walküre's background and why is he so sure that the EUR is a bad thing?

aha! see: "Denmark had their Krone pegged to the DM for as long as I can remember" why?

and what is the EUR if not a gigantic peg to the DM? or more properly speaking a currency grid?

and why do we have an history of currency grids in europe?

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:09 | 3321682 Non Passaran
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Wth is that, a bunch of questions that are supposed to mean what exactly?

People who don't want the euro - and there's a lot of them - have every right to be against it and protect themselves from it by all means necessary.
I don't *care* about answers to your fancy questions, do you understand?

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:05 | 3321676 Non Passaran
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Because it can't work without a socialist redistributionist government.
I thought ZH explained this a number of times.

Since 1971.: who said anything about the US dollar? Can the Euro suck on its own?

Why do Denmark and Swiss peg against the euro? Because most of their trade and investment is to/from eurozone.

The euro still sucks, and I hope it dies a very agonizing death :-)

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:18 | 3319425 JustObserving
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You can always count on the German public to be well informed.

According to a survey conducted by TNS Emnid, one of the largest polling institutes in Germany, nearly 90 percent of Germans do not believe the U.S. government explanation of what happened on September 11, 2001.

I will drink a German beer to that.  And another one if you insist on getting all your gold back - after all, it takes only 3 Lufthansa flights to get all your gold back.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:21 | 3319444 Dr. Engali
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I wonder what percentage of Americans still believe the official story.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:25 | 3319453 Jack Sheet
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The same percentage who believe that the Apollo moon landings took place !

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:34 | 3319480 ubjay
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You can´t get back what has gone elsewhere.

That´s why they made up the story of 7 years.

Everyone will have forgotten by then.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:16 | 3319430 dirtbagger
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This is a bit odd, as Germany with its merchantilist policies, has been the primary beneficiary of the Euro Monetary Union.  Whether much of this money from German export surpluses trickled down to the line workers is another issue. 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:23 | 3319450 Jack Sheet
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If with "Germany" you mean the big corporations; the politicians and their bureaucratic monstrosities in Brussels, all with cast-iron inflation-proofed tax-free salaries; and the bankers, I suppose one could speak in terms of a beneficiary.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:25 | 3319454 ubjay
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That´s not beneficiary when you get paid with a promise of an IOU.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:32 | 3319654 walküre
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How many oranges do you want in exchange for that new Beemer?

Apparently Germany is owed a trillion EUR for products it sold within the Eurozone from the ECB.

How stupid can those in charge be not to understand the game they've been played?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:42 | 3320533 Carl Spackler
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Schoen gemacht! (cannot type an umlaut on my American PC keyboard - without going into special characters)

This is the quiet theft from the German people.  It is history (Weimar) repeating itself. 

Real value, industriously built up and honestly saved over decades, is what is being lost here via a hidden wealth transfer to the deadbeats (PIIGS).  At some point, people in the Federal Republic might just look around and say, "Our standard of living has just dropped. What is going on here, and who is responsible? This was not supposed to happen."

The political class is playing the same charade of hiding reality from the German people via "socialization of the problem" as a false case to mask en masse value destruction.

Draghi is the modern day Havenstein.

And, German politicians and central bankers are letting Draghi quietly destroy their accumulated value to protect themselves (the political class) from looking responsible to the German people.

The longer the goes, the ever deeper the future pain for German middle class. Time to cut the losses and move on.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 17:16 | 3320587 Marco
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Savings aren't real value in a fiat system.

The real value which was stolen from the German people was their productive output and it wasn't stolen by the PIGS ... it was stolen by the forces in Germany which surpressed German wages and bought up worthless PIGS debt and then handed the output to the PIGS on a silver platter, to the ultimate detriment of normal people in all countries.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:17 | 3320106 Ion the Ion
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yep, it's all down to the currency. before it was introduced they were suffering great deficits with other european countries.

marks were so over-valued that a bmw cost 20-times a ferrari back then.

/sarcasm

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 17:13 | 3320623 Marco
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Before the Euro was introduced you basically knew that eventually the southern countries would devalue at some point ... this knowledge kept everyone slightly honest. Afterwards the markets thought EU countries were basically all too big to fail and debt got out of control.

I see an inflection point at 1999 :

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/current-account

 

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:40 | 3321701 dunce
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I was in Germany from 57 to 64 and i can tell you that since then massive amounts of wealth was spread to across the the entire population. They have came a very long way. Some became much richer than others but that is a sign of a healthy economy. East Germany had lots of economic equality and little or no progress until the Russians left. The side by side  disparity between the two sides of the border helped bring down the iron curtain. I really do not like Germans but i am compelled to admire their resilience.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:22 | 3319449 ubjay
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More and more Germans begin to realize that the next poll could be the last one for decades.

The suckers in Bruxelles have never been elected nor has anyone ever been asked if they want the Euro.

They just recently produced a ridiculous propaganda video for 700 K €.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7FMzwoRzotw

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:25 | 3319455 SheepDog-One
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Aaaaand they're OFF to the races AGAIN! DOW up another +50, where it will no doubt stay all day...same with the rest of the week they have no other option than to PUMP PUMP PUMP until retail sheeple buy the bubble, which unfortunately for them will never happen because even if they wanted to, everyones broke.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:36 | 3319483 BeaverFever
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I'm long on Swastkas

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:00 | 3321673 Non Passaran
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... and short on brainpower.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:25 | 3319456 SillySalesmanQu...
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Silly German forty-somethings. They are not done looting you of ALL your money...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:29 | 3319462 gabeh73
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Co-opting one of these parties is so easy. Just get one of the prominent leaders stuck in a honeypot and then he will start to comprimise with the "serious" leaders....while bringing his flock along with him. Nobody will want to point out that a "co-opting" has occurred, because then they are paranoid conspiracy nuts.

 

Half of the 26% will be battling the other half of the 26% about whether or not they were co-opted.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:38 | 3319488 SheepDog-One
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I'm a bit confused, couldn't the headline just as easily have stated '60% of Germans SUPPORT the Euro'?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:41 | 3319496 Ghordius
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nah, don't spoil the party, you clearly aren't thinking straight ;-)

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:18 | 3319601 hooligan2009
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i think you will find that 60% of germans think that the euro is the same as the deutschemark, just on funny paper. sheeple exist everywhere. only 40% of any country give a shit about politics..i just wish it could justifiably be 100%

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:36 | 3319669 walküre
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before 2007 that number was closer to 80% in support of the Euro and the EU.

cracks weren't showing then and the people thought it worked.

it's not working - clearly.

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:50 | 3321711 dunce
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You should skeptical of any poll. I believe a good rule of thumb is that about 5% of the responders answer to any question is what, duh, wake me when it is over. Another 5% do not trust any pollster and do not want to be part of a fraud. Another 20% have strong opinions about every thing and are almost always wrong. Many polls have bias loaded questions designed to elicit a predetrmined answer. The purpose of some polls is to mold public opinion,not rflect it.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:42 | 3319498 epi_tis_thalassis
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It seems only us Greeks want to remain in euro... and that's most probably because we feel we cannot leave by ourselves.

 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:47 | 3319512 Ghordius
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Germans like to grumble, huff and puff - makes their day, in the same way as moaning is the British past-time nr. 1

nevertheless they won't leave the eurozone, not at this stage, not the way it is now

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:19 | 3319867 Brit_Abroad
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I have to agree. The conditions are simply not bad enough yet.

It remains to be seen wether they get bad enough and wether it is then too late to save much from the ruins.

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