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Dylan Grice Explains How "Crackpot" Central Bankers Are Destroying Society

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From Dylan Grice of Edelweiss Holdings

Would the real Peter and Paul please stand up?

In a previous life as a London-based ‘global strategist’ (I was never sure what that was) I was known as someone who was worried by QE and more generally, about the willingness of our central bankers to play games with something which I didn’t think they fully understand: money. This may be a strange, even presumptuous thing to say. Surely of all people, one thing central bankers understand is money?

They certainly should understand money. They print it, lend it, borrow it, conjure it. They control the price of it… But so what? What should be true is not necessarily what is true, and in the topsy-turvy world of finance and economics, it rarely is. So file the following under “strange but true”: our best and brightest economists have very little understanding of economics. Take the current malaise as prima facie evidence.

Let me illustrate. Of the many elemental flaws in macroeconomic practice is the true observation that the economic variables in which we might be most interested happen to be those which lend themselves least to measurement. Thus, the statistics which we take for granted and band around freely with each other measuring such ostensibly simple concepts as inflation, wealth, capital and debt, in fact involve all sorts of hidden assumptions, short-cuts and qualifications. So many, indeed, as to render reliance on them without respect for their limitations a very dangerous thing to do. As an example, consider the damage caused by banks to themselves and others by mistaking price volatility (measurable) with risk (unmeasurable). Yet faith in false precision seems to us to be one of the many imperfections our species is cursed with.

One such ‘unmeasurable’ increasingly occupying us here at Edelweiss is that upon which all economic activity is based: trust. Trust between individuals, between strangers, between organisations… trust in what people read, and even people’s trust in themselves. Let’s spend a few moments elaborating on this.

First, we must understand the profound importance of exchange. To do this, simply look around you. You might see a computer monitor, a coffee mug, a telephone, a radio, an iPad, a magazine, whatever it is. Now ask yourself how much of that stuff you’d be able to make for yourself. The answer is almost certainly none. So where did it all come from? Strangers, basically. You don’t know them and they don’t know you. In fact virtually none of us know each other. Nevertheless, strangers somehow pooled their skills, their experience and their expertise so as to conceive, design, manufacture and distribute whatever you are looking at right now so that it could be right there right now. And what makes it possible for you to have it? Exchange. To be able to consume the skills of these strangers, you must sell yours. Everyone enters into the same bargain on some level and in fact, the whole economy is nothing more than an anonymous labor exchange. Beholding the rich tapestry this exchange weaves and its bounty of accumulated capital, prosperity and civilization is a marvelous thing.

But we must also understand that exchange is only possible to the extent that people trust each other: when eating in a restaurant we trust the chef not to put things in our food; when hiring a builder we trust him to build a wall which won’t fall down; when we book a flight we entrust our lives and the lives of our families to complete strangers. Trust is social bonding and societies without it are stalked by social unrest, upheaval or even war. Distrust is a brake on prosperity, because distrust is a brake on exchange.

But now let’s get back to thinking about money, and let’s note also that distrust isn’t the only possible brake on exchange. Money is required for exchange too. Without money we’d be restricted to barter one way or another. So money and trust are intimately connected. Indeed, the English word credit derives from the Latin word credere, which means to trust. Since money facilitates exchange, it facilitates trust and cooperation. So when central banks play the games with money of which they are so fond, we wonder if they realize that they are also playing games with social bonding. Do they realize that by devaluing money they are devaluing society?

To see the how, first understand how monetary policy works. Think about what happens in the very simple example of a central bank’s  expanding the monetary base by printing money to buy government bonds.

That by this transaction the government has raised revenue for the government is obvious. The government now has a greater command over the nation’s resources. But it is equally obvious that no one can raise revenue without someone else bearing the cost. To deny it would imply revenues could be raised for free, which would imply that wealth could be created by printing more money. True, some economists, it seems, would have the world believe there to be some validity to such thinking. But for those of us more concerned with correct logical practice, it begs a serious question. Who pays? We know that this monetary policy has redistributed money into the government’s coffers. But from whom has the redistribution been?

The simple answer is that we don’t and can’t know, at least not on an amount per person basis. This is unfortunate and unsatisfactory, but it also happens to be true. Had the extra money come from taxation, everyone would at least know where the burden had fallen and who had decreed it to fall there. True, the upper-rate tax payers might not like having a portion of their wealth redirected towards poorer members of society and they might not agree with it. Some might even feel robbed. But at least they know who the robber is.

When the government raises revenue by selling bonds to the central bank, which has financed its purchases with printed money, no one  knows who ultimately pays. In the abstract, we know that current holders of money pay since their cash holdings have been diluted. But the effects are more subtle. To see just how subtle, consider Cantillon’s 18th century analysis of the effects of a sudden increase in gold production:

If the increase of actual money comes from mines of gold or silver… the owner of these mines, the adventurers, the smelters, refiners, and all the other workers will increase their expenditures in proportion to their gains. … All this increase of expenditures in meat, wine, wool, etc. diminishes of necessity the share of the other inhabitants of the state who do not participate at first in the wealth of the mines in question. The altercations of the market, or the demand for meat, wine, wool, etc. being more intense than usual, will not fail to raise their prices. … Those then who will suffer from this dearness… will be first of all the landowners, during the term of their leases, then their domestic servants and all the workmen or fixed wage-earners ... All these must diminish their expenditure in proportion to the new consumption.

In Cantillon’s example, the gold mine owners, mine employees, manufacturers of the stuff miners buy and the merchants who trade in it all benefit handsomely. They are closest to the new money and they get to see their real purchasing powers rise.

But as they go out and spend, they bid up the prices of the stuff they purchase to a level which is higher than it would otherwise have been, making that stuff more expensive. For anyone not connected to the mining business (and especially those on fixed incomes: “the landowners, during the term of their leases”), real incomes haven’t risen to keep up with the higher prices. So the increase in the gold supply redistributes money towards those closest to the new money, and away from those furthest away.

Another way to think about this might be to think about Milton Friedman’s idea of dropping new money from a helicopter. He used this example to demonstrate how easy it would theoretically be for a government to create inflation. What he didn’t say was that such a drop would redistribute income in the same way more gold from Cantillon’s mines did, towards those standing underneath the helicopter and away from everyone else.

So now we know we have a slightly better understanding of who pays: whoever is furthest away from the newly created money. And we have a better understanding of how they pay: through a reduction in their own spending power. The problem is that while they will be acutely aware of the reduction in their own spending power, they will be less aware of why their spending power has declined. So if they find groceries becoming more expensive they blame the retailers for raising prices; if they find petrol unaffordable, they blame the oil companies; if they find rents too expensive they blame landlords, and so on. So now we see the mechanism by which debasing money debases trust. The unaware victims of this accidental redistribution don’t know who the enemy is, so they create an enemy.

Keynes was well aware of this insidious dynamic and articulated it beautifully in a 1919 essay:

By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. … Those to whom the system brings windfalls… become “profiteers” who are the object of the hatred…. the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.


Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.

Deliberately impoverishing one group in society is a bad thing to do. But impoverishing a group in such an opaque, clandestine and underhanded way is worse. It is not only unjust but dangerous and potentially destructive. A clear and transparent fiscal policy which openly redistributes from the rich to the poor can at least be argued on some level to be consistent with ‘social justice.’

Governments can at least claim to be playing Robin Hood. There is no such defense for a monetary driven redistribution towards recipients of the new money and away from everyone else because if the well-off are closest to the money, well, it will have the perverse effect of benefitting them at the expense of the poor.

Take the past few decades. Prior to the 2008 crash, central banks set interest rates according to what their crystal ball told them the future would be like. They were supposed to raise them when they thought the economy was growing too fast and cut them when they thought it was growing too slow.

They were supposed to be clever enough to banish the boom-bust cycle, and this was a nice idea. The problem was that it didn’t work. One reason was because central bankers weren’t as clever as they thought. Another was because they had a bias to lower rates during the bad times but not raise them adequately during the good times. On average therefore, credit tended to be too cheap and so the demand for debt was artificially high. Since that new debt was used to buy assets, the prices of assets rose in a series of asset bubbles around the world. And this unprecedented, secular and largely global credit inflation created an illusion of prosperity which was fun for most people while it lasted.

But beneath the surface, the redistributive mechanism upon which monetary policy relies was at work. Like Cantillon’s gold miners, those closest to the new credit (financial institutions and anyone working in finance industry) were the prime beneficiaries. In 2012 the top 50 names on the Forbes list of richest Americans included the fortunes of eleven investors, financiers or hedge fund managers. In 1982 the list had none.

Besides this redistribution of wealth towards the financial sector was a redistribution to those who were already asset-rich. Asset prices were inflated by cheap credit and the assets themselves could be used as collateral for it. The following chart suggests the size of this transfer from poor to rich might have been quite meaningful, with the top 1% of earners taking the biggest a share of the pie since the last great credit inflation, that of the 1920s.

Who paid? Those with no access to credit, those with no assets, or those who bought assets late in the asset inflations and which now nurse the problem balance sheets. They all paid. Worse still, future generations were victims too, since one way or another they’re on the hook for it.  

So with their crackpot monetary ideas, central banks have been robbing Peter to pay Paul without knowing which one was which. And a problem here is this thing behavioral psychologists call self-attribution bias. It describes how when good things happen to people they think it’s because of something they did, but when bad things happen to them they think it’s because of something someone else did. So although Peter doesn’t know why he’s suddenly poor, he knows it must be someone else’s fault. He also sees that Paul seems to be doing OK. So being human, he makes the obvious connection: it’s all Paul and people like Paul’s fault.

But Paul has a different way of looking at it. Also being human, he assumes he’s doing OK because he’s doing something right. He doesn’t  know what the problem is other than Peter’s bad attitude. Needless to say, he resents Peter for his bad attitude. So now Peter and Paul don’t trust each other. And this what happens when you play games with society’s bonding.

When we look around we can’t help feeling something similar is happening. The 99% blame the 1%; the 1% blame the 47%. In the aftermath of the Eurozone’s own credit bubbles, the Germans blame the Greeks. The Greeks round on the foreigners. The Catalans blame the Castilians. And as 25% of the Italian electorate vote for a professional comedian whose party slogan “vaff a” means roughly “f**k off ” (to everything it seems, including the common currency), the Germans are repatriating their gold from New York and Paris. Meanwhile in China, that centrally planned mother of all credit inflations, popular anger is being directed at Japan, and this is before its own credit bubble chapter has fully  played out. (The rising risk of war is something we are increasingly worried about…) Of course, everyone blames the bankers (“those to whom the system brings windfalls… become ‘profiteers’ who are the object of the hatred”).

But what does it mean for the owner of capital? If our thinking is correct, the solution would be less monetary experimentation. Yet we are likely to see more. Bernanke has monetized about a half of the federally guaranteed debt issued since 2009 (see chart below). The incoming Bank of England governor thinks the UK’s problem hasn’t been too much monetary experimentation but too little, and likes the idea of actively targeting nominal GDP. The PM in Tokyo thinks his country’s every ill is a lack of inflation, and his new guy at the Bank of Japan is revving up its printing presses to buy government bonds, corporate bonds and ETFs. China’s shadow banking credit bubble meanwhile continues to inflate…

For all we know there might be another round of illusory prosperity before our worst fears are realised. With any luck, our worst fears never will be. But if the overdose of monetary medicine made us ill, we don’t understand how more of the same medicine will make us better.

We do know that the financial market analogue to trust is yield. The less trustful lenders are of borrowers, the higher the yield they demand to compensate. But interest rates, or what’s left of them, are at historic lows. In other words, there is a glaring disconnect between the distrust central banks are fostering in the real world and the unprecedented trust lenders are signaling to borrowers in the financial world. Of course, there is no such thing as “risk-free” in the real world. Holders of UK cash have seen a cumulative real loss of around 10% since the crash of 2008. Holders of US cash haven’t done much better.

If we were to hope to find safety by lending to what many consider to be an excellent credit, Microsoft, by buying its bonds, we’d have to lend to them until 2021 to earn a gross return roughly the same as the current rate of US inflation. But then we’d have to pay taxes on the coupons. And we’d have to worry about whether or not the rate of inflation was going to rise meaningfully from here, because the 2021 maturity date is eight years away and eight years is a long time. And then we’d have to worry about where our bonds were held, and whether or not they were being lent out by our custodian. And of course, this would all be before we’d worried about whether Microsoft’s business was likely to remain safe over an eight year horizon.

We are happy to watch others play that game. There are some outstanding businesses and individuals with whom we are happy to invest. In an ideal world we would have neither Peters nor Pauls. In the imperfect one in which we live, we have to settle for trying hard to avoid the Pauls, who we fear mistake entrepreneurial competence for proximity to the money well. But when we find the real thing, the timeless ingenuity of the honest entrepreneurs, the modest craftsmen and craftswomen who humbly seek to improve the lot of their customers through their own enterprise, we find inspiration too, for as investors we try to model our own practice on theirs. It is no secret that our quest is to find scarcity.

But the scarce substance we prize above all else is trustworthiness. Aware that we worry too much in a world growing more wary and  distrustful, it is here we place an increasing premium, here that we seek refuge from financial folly and here that we expect the next bull market.


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Mon, 03/11/2013 - 10:58 | 3319233 CH1
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And yet, everyone keeps playing their game.

Why should they bother changing?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:15 | 3319269 BobPaulson
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People respond to rewards, and sometime smart people respond to penalties. Clearly not enough of either out there for the human race to change behaviour. Either that or the rewards aren't direct enough. If your dog is good and pees outdoors, you can't give him a biscuit an hour later or he won't know why you gave it to him. If he pisses on the floor and you hit him, he usually just thinks you're being mean.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:35 | 3319317 DoChenRollingBearing
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Since almost all of us are not one of them, it is our own responsability to inform ourselves and take care of our own.

Almost every ZH reader of more than 5 minutes knows, in general, who to blame.

But, it is our turn now.  Don´t play their game.  Save money.  Buy gold.  Be productive, be cautious...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:40 | 3319324 notbot
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Dylan Grice is one of the few really clear thinkers right now, and he communicates it so well. Anything he writes is worth reading, great post Tyler. He and Seth Klarman seem to capture it best.

Unfortunately, no one in power will listen, but i agree, our own responsibility to our family (and clients) is to understand and position accordingly.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:40 | 3319331 Manthong
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Do not presuppose good intent to those who repeatedly hurt you.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:44 | 3319345 indygo55
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They make it so obvious.


“The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from its profits or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.” – Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 21:10 | 3321291 mick_richfield
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I am coming for you, Mayer.

I am the little mammal, and you are the dinosaur, with your eggs in the nest.

It's a new world, and it's not yours.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:26 | 3319460 Half_A_Billion_...
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I wish we had more Dylan Grice material.  

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 17:37 | 3320718 Antifaschistische
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Nailed it Dylan...

When trust breaks down then TPTB force you to buy the insurance.   Insurance that is 3 times as expensive as it has to be beacuse of all the insurance fraud.

I can't even return a cable to Best Buy, because I bought it 32 days ago...even though they still sell the identical item on the shelf....all the stupid rules because of retail fraud and return scams by scum who can't make money in any other fashion.

When trust breaks down...society moves to the "every man for himself" mentality very quickly.  And it only takes a small minority of "untrustworthy" to take us there.  Example:  One robbery in the entire neighborhood and 20 people get alarms installed, 15 families buy a dog, 12 dads buy their first gun and locksmiths install 40 new deadbolts.

Trust is the key economic engine.  Without it, there would be no accounts payable or receivables..because everything would be done in cash only.

It's ironic, that the moral fabric of society is being trashed daily and yet, it is a key component to any economic engine.   Creativity, Work Ethic & Trust.   America used to have all three.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 18:28 | 3320862 toys for tits
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All of Dylan's writings when he was with Societe Generale.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:14 | 3319420 rogeliokh
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"-According to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than 146 million Americans are either “poor” or “low income” at this point."

The Chart That Proves That The Mainstream Media Is Lying To You About Unemployment

"a lil over 130mil men living in the usa, only 58mil are hard at work, and 20mil are working under the table. the rest are not working at all. (approximate estimations according to the us census)

yea, the unemployment rate of 18% is total BS. I didn’t even count adult women. the real rate is about 45% unemployment."


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:58 | 3319541 Freddie
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the Italian electorate vote for a professional comedian whose party slogan “vaff a” means roughly “f**k off ”

Hey Krugman and Bernake - F Off!

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:01 | 3319754 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL!  Beppe and his "grilli" would likely do a better job than all the other pols in Italy since WWII.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:25 | 3319241 CaptainSpaulding
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Voll voll voll in the hay Bitchez

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:06 | 3319247 JustObserving
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Calling them "Crackpot" absolves them of criminality and corruption.  Grow a pair and call them what they are -  criminals who steal from the poor to give to the rich.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:38 | 3319325 SheepDog-One
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Yea really, 'crackpots' gives them a free pass, as if they're just well meaning but wrong-headed crazy professors or something.....they're criminal maniacs worse than any James Bond villain ever.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:55 | 3319378 McMolotov
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"Crackpot" implies they're off their rocker, as though they did a bunch of looney shit and lucked into all this fabulous wealth and power they (and their well-connected friends) enjoy.

I call bullshit. If they're bumbling "crackpots," so was Capone and so are the largest drug cartels.*



* For whom, incidentally, they launder money...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:03 | 3319404 DOT
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Should be "crack pipe", no?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:27 | 3319463 Lordflin
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This was ground to be my point. While there is much in the article that would be useful to those new to an understanding of our monetary system... The implication of innocence on the part of the perpetrators is exceedingly misleading.

This brings up another subject... There are times when it seems ZH is wasting my time addressing concepts that I would suspect most of the readership already understands... these interspersed midst articles of a more sophisticated nature. And yet, I refer newbies to this site all the time. Perhaps a separate section could be maintained where articles of a more fundamental and educational value could be maintained for folks attempting to master the basics. Just a thought...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:17 | 3319248 francis_sawyer
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all is proceeding according to plan...


- Now either you're going to believe that is TRUE [which, by nature, allows for the concept of 'evil masterminded tribesman' at the controls ~ because all you need to determine that is to observe where benefts accrue & who gets the shaft]...

- Or, that there is no, nor ever has been, some organized or masterminded conspiracy... Which draws the conclusion that the overwhelming & almost mathematically unattainable presence of tribesmen [which constitute TODAY'S structure], are, [across the board], just a bunch of greedy blithering hacks suffering from a severe bout of nepotism...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:20 | 3319440 spastic_colon
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PS - the potential gold "conspiracy" regarding repatriation has as much to do with Germany repaying us from WWI as anything, they just want their collateral back.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:07 | 3319249 Ident 7777 economy
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Shucks ... I was looking forward to a video to go with the story ...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:09 | 3319252 Sandmann
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When the government raises revenue by selling bonds to the central bank, which has financed its purchases with printed money, no one  knows who ultimately pays.

Which rather undermines the whole principle of Democratic Accountability as our Western political model is predicated upon the Legislature being Elected and Representative of Taxpayers to control The Executive and its Spending.  Charles I was executed in 1649 as the end-result of his attempts to raise money and impose taxes without approval of the Legislature.

It has been remarkably easy for the Executive to work with the Central Bank to undermine the whole notion ogf Accountability. It is simply unbelievable that Voters and Taxpayers have been herded into pens to be shorn, sheared and fleeced, quite so easily and with so little resistance

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:03 | 3319401 slightlyskeptical
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Bank leverage has come down significantly according to the latest reports. This reduces money supply. Since we are in an employment and wage recession, less money is not what is needed. So I agree the fed needs to print. However, unless that printing offers relief to those that really need it, it is doomed to fail. Part time jobs simply replace welfare, so ultimately no more gets spent by consumers, though Govt spends less. Biz to biz is said to make up for it, but ultimately these businesses will need consumers to buy in order to continue investment. Quite simply there needs to be a redistribution of wealth if we ever want to get a better economy. If the elite have all the money how can the consumer spend it?

I think we need to gear all the printing to relieve consumer debt. Improved cash flow for the consumer will mean more spending, more jobs, higher wages, more taxes paid and less Govt debt. Kick it off by buying all outstanding mortgages and refinance them at a near break even level. This should give all households an extra couple hundred dollars each month.

Fed is currently buying newly originated mortgages instead. This allows the banks to earn a risk free profit off the backs of all Americans. We need to take the new mortgage finance market away from the banks and investors. We need to let the American Dream fund Americans and not private money creating enterprises. Have Social Security and Govt pension plans fund this market. The risk is way overstated as a 4% mortgage pays back 170% of principal over 30 years. Thus you could have 40% non-performing mortgages and the program at worse would have profits equal to the market value of the non-performing collateral. You also have social security benefits as leverage for collections thus the default rate would be extremely low over time. Add certain provisions and your bases would covered very adequately. So instead of us paying taxes to fund interest on Treasuries that SS, etc. hold we would instead be funding them directly through the interest on our mortgage payments.

The added benefit of doing this is that the funds printed all get paid back. So the inflationary effects will decline as time passed. At the same time bank leverage would shrink enough to offset the above inflationary effects. It could all be out into effect painlessly, except to the banks who are swimming naked.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 18:48 | 3320926 toys for tits
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The government shouldn't be in the home lending business in any manner, whether through originating or guaranteeing loans.  One reason is because the government is an inefficient monopoly and the costs of these programs would be diluted among all taxpayers.

The other thing you're wrong about is the FED printing money.  As Dylan points out, it is a temporary fix and debases society.  It's like putting guaze on someone with a cut major artery, it'll look like the bleeding slowed but is still dangerous.

The only way to fix this crap, which will never happen, is to allow the crash of 2008 to heal itself without this massive monetary intervention.  The destruction we're now facing is much more devestating and severe.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:41 | 3320525 StychoKiller
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I blame the skools for discouraging independent thinking over the decades of public edukation.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:11 | 3319255 duo
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Robbing Peter (Schiff) to pay (Hank) Paulson?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:11 | 3319256 ziggy59
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Yes all are to blame and no one will pay except the masses, in more than one way in this global clusterfuck of corruption

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:12 | 3319257 falak pema
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they are not destroying society they are saving the world from depression and armageddon by spreading out the pain over all of first world and over multi generations; doing <God's work!

Penitence from overconsumption is future salavation; so you do penitence for your souls while we continue to consume...

"Its to save western civilization fellas! Our way of life, over the long haul."

Will you believe them now? Whats a few trillion here or there from YOUR pockets, when THEY ensure that the movers and shakers can start the gravy train again and perform "trickle down economics" as before! 

We defend the free market like nobody else does! 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:35 | 3319315 Shizzmoney
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We defend the free market like nobody else does!

Their version of "the free market" is an open invitation to freely rape our economical asses.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:18 | 3319275 realtick
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Gold & Silver Bugs - The 50 Day Moving Average Is Kicking Your Asses

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:22 | 3319292 Jack Sheet
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spare us your bullshit, if you please.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:27 | 3319306 ebworthen
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So what.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:41 | 3319495 Half_A_Billion_...
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The price will stay low until the day spot goes to zero and comex defaults.  Then we'll have a big party after a traditional process known as price discovery.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:57 | 3319765 DoChenRollingBearing
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(at) ebworthen and Half_

Yes and yes!  Many of us are waiting for that day...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:14 | 3320094 ebworthen
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FedEx man came today with a rather heavy bar that was so very tangible.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:28 | 3319464 orez65
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Yep, and 9% US Dollar inflation and 15% unemployment is kicking yours. 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:16 | 3319593 Meat Hammer
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You must be new here.  We don't look to gold as an investment; we wear gold underwear to keep from losing our asses.  

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:13 | 3319829 Imminent Crucible
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Realprick uses the term "goldbug" without knowing what it means. He apparently thinks it's someone who daytrades gold futures around Nymex access open.

Gold bugs and gold hedgers don't care about 200 DMAs, let alone the 50 DMA. They don't trade. They just stack, and wait. Stack, and wait. Because they know, no matter how hot and bright the day, no matter how blue the sky, eventually the sun will go down and night will come.

I notice that, now that he's no longer with Societe Generale, Grice speaks his mind a little more freely and clearly.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:19 | 3319276 ebworthen
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Yes, debasing society.

The monsters are back on the T.V. today.

There are also new bright shiny shapes on your computer (and sometimes in the mail) to display what you think is there.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:21 | 3319279 Hedgetard55
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Bernanke knows EXACTLY what he is doing and it's effects. He doesn't care. All the "unemployment mandate" bullshit is mere smoke for the sheep and cover for the politicians who allow it to continue.

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 04:02 | 3319474 Anasteus
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Agree. It's virtually impossible for the Fed et al to not know what they are doing. Nothing of what's happening is being done by chance, mistake, or missing knowledge. They are actually damn smart, they know very well what they are doing and all is being accomplished consistently with expected outcome (until it's not). It's just our limited and naive point of view that makes us see 'inconsistencies', 'errors' and blame them for 'inability' to support and boost real economy.

It's the same trick all over again. If you briefly look at history you'll find that bankers have never been interested in economy. Their only interest was to deliberately create money at their sole discretion, blowing up and popping bubbles while making money out of the difference while, at the same time, forcing people into loans and hard work for less and less wages so that the money produced and grabbed was exchangeable for as much real products as possible. Bernanke is doing exactly the same thing his predecessors had been doing for centuries. The crucial thing to accomplish by every new descendant in this position is to trick people into trivializing and consequent forgetting this fact. Once achieved the whole game can be restarted once again and kept it running as long as it takes. There is no progress in here; it's always the same game being played upon the everlasting stupidity and unlearnability of mankind.

Our biggest problem is to accept the fact that such activity could be intentionally malevolent despite many indications we have at our disposal. Instead we tend to downplay the problem to something more acceptable for our mentality that we are able to cope with, such as mistake or missing competence. I think it's fully understandable but inaccurate.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:20 | 3319281 flacorps
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Blaming bankers is easy. Neutralizing them is another thing altogether: it requires scoffing at conventionality, tax dodging and shifting one's wealth into physical precious metals.

All of these sound easy too. Until you try them.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:20 | 3319282 Bastiat
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Interesting: it was recently reported here that the Fed purchased more than 100% of the debt issued last year, IIRC. Was it 50% or 100%?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:43 | 3319341 SheepDog-One
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Isn't all they really need a 'controlling interest' of 51%?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:48 | 3319357 Bastiat
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Oh Sorry I mis-read.  I was thinking of new debt issued in 2012, the chart is looking at all debt outstanding. 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:20 | 3319285 Jack Sheet
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Check out the Edelweiss web site. Bermuda incorporated. You can chip in 500 000 USD "subscription" and they will put your money where their mouth is. Still 59% precious metals (not stated paper or physical). 1.4% USD asset allocation. Annual percent change in NAV is given (amongst others) in Ethiopian Birr. One of the directors is Greek. Couldn't find how much total AUM.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:21 | 3319286 Haager
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Trust is actually in a bearmarket, some (Europeans) are trying to put up a (fake?) trustbubble. Economies there use helicopters and vacuum-cleaners - and the situation isn't improving.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:22 | 3319289 jimijon
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Commerce == Trust and Cooperation.

Government == Trust and Coercsion.

Making everyone a Terrorist != Trust.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:23 | 3319294 The Invisible Foot
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Vaff A Ben

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:23 | 3319295 Stuck on Zero
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Go long on helicopters.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:25 | 3319298 eddiebe
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It really pisses me off how so many journalists and economists call these criminal public officials and central bank crooks crackpots. As if their actions were simply mistakes rather than calculated actions that enrich their masters.

This kind of softball serves these bastards playbook very well and completely misses the mark. Stupid fucking assholes!!

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:27 | 3319303 RougeUnderwriter
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It's legalized gamblig whose lobby buys Washington, and tax base supports our revenue stream. Good luck getting anyone in power to agree with you. Want more structure and rules, go to Vegas.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:27 | 3319305 Quinvarius
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Keynesianism is a political theory with political methods and political goals.  That is why it doesn't actually work in economics. 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:28 | 3319307 Antifederalist
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Bravo to Dylan Grice.  This is one finely written article.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:49 | 3319361 JustObserving
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If Dylan had borrowed Matt Tiabbi's balls for 10 minutes, the article would be much better.  No balls, no glory.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:44 | 3319982 Liquid Courage
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I agree. Not enough "Fire & Brimstone" for much of the audience here, but this is just the sort of thing that makes a good "intro" to pass along to those whose eyes have not yet begun to open.

Come at them with a wild tales of monetary machinations and nefarious "conspiracy theories" and you'll lose them faster than boiled asparagus (as Augustus used to say).

Education is a series of lies each of which approaches the Truth more and more closely ... asymptotically, as it were.

I'm going to pass this on to a few friends and family ... can't hurt.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:29 | 3319308 forrestdweller
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they are in power. there is only one way to stop them.

read Hobbes; when the ruler acts against the interests of the poeple, the people are allowed to take back the power power of the rulers and use violence to do this. the political system has become a small group that only acts in its own interest and can't be stoppen bij democratic ways. They have stopped the democratic proces with the 2 party systems in which in doesn't matter who wins. they are in reality one group of corporate rulers.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:35 | 3319318 CH1
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read Hobbes; when the ruler acts against the interests of the poeple, the people are allowed to take back the power power of the rulers and use violence to do this.

FYI: That was actually Locke, not Hobbes. The 2nd Treatise on Government.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 17:03 | 3320601 forrestdweller
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 believe hobbes said about the same, if the souvereign turn to despotism, the people have the right to throw him of the throne, even by the use of violence.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:40 | 3319332 PeeramidIdeologies
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That is a good point. But direct violence would be tough going in a time of drones and near complete media control.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:46 | 3319352 yogibear
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We have seen what the central banks think of democracy. They installed technocrats without an election to run the countries.

People should be outraged with anger, but their not.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:59 | 3319773 PeeramidIdeologies
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Most people can't grasp the the meaning of the events unfolding. Of those that do, the majority of them feel powerless to incite change, and oped to prepare the best they can on their own. The remainer come to bitch at ZH lol

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:30 | 3319309 Shizzmoney
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It is funny how we assess the blame game in the MSM to all sides BUT the central bankers.

It's like as if you were to blame last season's Red Sox debacle on the players (who were drunk, coddled, or overweight) or the manager (who was old, out of touch, and wierd).

Well, who fucking hired 'em?  The owners, who like the central bankers....still have a job.

Remember the Golden Rule: He who has the printing presses, make the rules

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:40 | 3319329 Marco
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He who has the guns makes the rules ... FDR took the gold from the Fed and all the Fed could do was being a whiny little bitch about it.

What power they have is the power being allowed them.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:55 | 3319749 moonstears
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Some people think FDR took the gold from the PEOPLE and gave it to the FED. Reading's your friend. "What power they have is the GOLD being allowed them". Note to self: get some power.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:58 | 3320283 Marco
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Some people should read history books ...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 18:57 | 3320952 toys for tits
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Rereading Orwell's "Animal Farm" will work to.  Especially with the descriptions of the different population groups.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:32 | 3319312 ebworthen
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The society has gone mad, completely mad.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:40 | 3319330 SheepDog-One
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'Society' is really just a big herd of Neandersheeple who go along with any amount of getting screwed over as long as they're still getting some 'instant gratification'.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:15 | 3319371 ebworthen
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"What We Do":

"Feedin' and breedin' and pumpin' gas - cheesburger, cheeseburger - do it again."

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:48 | 3319995 Liquid Courage
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"Society" is just three square meals away from chaos. Always.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:38 | 3319323 Marco
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All the central bankers at the moment are doing is kicking the can ... Greenspan can be accussed of kicking the can way harder than necessary and bringing us to the abyss a decade or so before it was necessary, but other central bankers are being mostly mechanical in the way they are operating though. Few surprises in what they do, what they do is what they must to keep everything from collapsing.

In the end it's governments and their puppetmasters which create deficits.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:41 | 3319333 SheepDog-One
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'Keep everything from collapsing'?

They designed the collapse.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:50 | 3319364 Marco
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I don't see any of the trillionaire family members on the Fed board (or any central bank boards for that matter). They know better than to get that close to the fire.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:43 | 3319340 yogibear
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Go long boiled rope.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:43 | 3319344 10PastMidnight
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has this story changed at all in the last 500 years or so?  nah, same shit different day is all we see any longer, when it comes to the economy, wealth and the lack there of.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:47 | 3319355 SheepDog-One
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They're not 'Crackpot bankers' who just have 'mistaken ideas' about what they do, they're maniacal monetizers and murderers who start and control every war, they've killed billions of people and will kill most of us as well pretty soon.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 11:53 | 3319373 PeeramidIdeologies
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I always took this as a sort of high stakes chess match amongst the central banks. The times and cultural divides between nations makes if very difficult to work in cohesion, which leads to more embattled commerce. To them, in my opinion, it is a delicate game of control the chips, and it seems like many have chosen their positions and they are digging in. To those walking around on the street this has huge implications, but as individuals we don't count for much...

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:07 | 3319411 Curt W
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What is so strange about voting for a comedian?

We have elected several actors, a professional wrestler, and a variety show host, not to mention convicted crackheads.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:28 | 3319466 McMolotov
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When they can't attack the message, they attack the messenger. Look at what was done to Ron Paul. Ridicule is a simple way to marginalize one's opponent.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:08 | 3319413 Atticus Finch
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"Trust is social bonding and societies without it are stalked by social unrest, upheaval or even war."

It occurs to me that the same can be said of violating ten little commandments. Their violation tears apart the glue holding society together.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:10 | 3319419 mick_richfield
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I have to keep saying this - it's a very hard idea to accept.  Which is interesting in itself.

The men who control fiat money in this world are not 'crackpots'.  They are not 'idiots'.

They are the enemy.  They know what they are doing. 

When you find yourself constantly saying "These guys are such freaking morons!" -- and you've been saying it for years -- you really have to stop and examine your assumptions. 

Their goals are not necessarily what they say they are, nor what you think they are.  If their actions are pointed unerringly and over a long period of time toward an obvious result, the simplest assumption is that that result is their intention.

Fiat currency is not a tool of well-meaning but misguided technocrats.  It is the slave's yoke around your neck.  The use of fiat currency is directly related to why your politics also seems 'stupid' and 'dysfunctional'.

They know this perfectly well.  It is deliberate, and intelligent. 

Don't persist in thinking 'These guys are idiots!' as they march you into the abattoir.



Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:02 | 3320034 Ckierst1
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And this is part of the reason why  their crime is so great, treasonous in fact.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:16 | 3319429 SillySalesmanQu...
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I think Peter is tired of being robbed and wants Paul to return his money.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:19 | 3319436 uno
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In case you missed it, interesting series of tweets from Jane Wells (I assume she is still on CNBS) over the weekend:

Day off. In Coronado shaking off depression from DOUR global econ forecast at last night's CFA dinner. Again, all 3 forecasters said (cont.)

Wow. Just attended forecast dinner for San Diego CFA. Bottom line, central banks are literally papering over everything and it's all a lie

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:46 | 3319509 Clint Liquor
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But it is a lie well told:

"Year to date through end of February 2013, ETFs and ETPs have seen net inflows of $49.1 billion.  Equity ETFs and ETPs gathered the largest net inflows year to date with $45.1 billion, followed by fixed income ETFs and ETPs with $2.8 billion, and leveraged inverse ETFs and ETPs with $2.5 billion, while commodity ETFs/ETPs had net outflows of US$5.3 billion."

Read more: They are sucking 'THE RETAIL INVESTOR' back into the market just in time for some serious sodomy.
Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:37 | 3319486 orez65
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This is a way to gradually stop the fiat money FRAUD.

Exchange all the US Dollars you can into gold and silver coins.

Keep only as many US Dollars as you need to pay monthly expenses.

Sell any bonds that you have and exchange them for gold and silver coins.

Gresham's law will take care of it: 'bad money drives out good money'

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:45 | 3319506 tarsubil
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"So now we know we have a slightly better understanding of who pays: whoever is furthest away from the newly created money. And we have a better understanding of how they pay: through a reduction in their own spending power."

At the top you have financiers getting printed money and at the bottom you get unproductive unemployed getting handouts. The people furthest away from the money creation are the middle class. The productive middle is being bled dry. You see it everyday. It will end one day though and thank Goodness for that.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:52 | 3319528 GreatUncle
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Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.

Think Lenin was wrong myself and the solution.

When you catch a thief and jail them the theiving it stops. Throwing a retailer in jail the prices keep rising implies the person responsible is still out and about. Rinse repeat and all thieves end up in jail and ordinary people, retailers included can sleep soundly.

Hmmmm, not stopping anytime soon as I see no central bankers awaiting trial.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:53 | 3320010 Ckierst1
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The logic of all this pap and drivel escapes me.  The old Soviet Union was a hell hole of shared (unequally, cuz they had elites), crude, brutish misery ("They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work").  Lenin was wrong but he is our idol???  Let's jail everyone who might be successful and/or a shopkeeper cuz they might be a thief?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:52 | 3319531 thruid
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Competitive currency devaluation or currency wars are heating up. Currency debasement leads to impoverishment of many and the enrichment of a few. According to  Keynes, ' currency debasement is the stealth confiscation by governments of the wealth of its people.' The political consequences have historically proven to be revolution and the fall of empires usually leading to some form of totalitarian oligarchy. A constant is the creation of scapegoats. In Rome it was the Christians, in France the nobility, in post WW1 Germany it was the Jews.  The author of the following article sums it up nicely.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:07 | 3319569 Colonial Intent
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We the People, initially using all non-violent means, must ourselves rise up! But if in the end it means following the lead of our First Imam, Patrick Henry, we reserve our Allah-given rights to defend ourselves and to restore liberty to our shores.

As in ancient times leading to the birth of a free country, we will never surrender! Instead, must be prepared to use all legally righteous means to restore the country to greatness!

Give us liberty or give us death! Allah did not forsake our Prophets, and He will not forsake us!

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:29 | 3319643 razorthin
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I love how the official assholes play the semantics game.  They will acknowledge the steeply declining purchasing power over time but, in the same breath, say that there was little inflation over that period.  But think for a moment.  Even if they put forth their typical lie that inflation averages 2% a year, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that, with compounding, cumulative inflation has been massive even taking their fraudulent admissions at face value.  Then compare that if you will to the personal or family income run chart.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:33 | 3319659 post turtle saver
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Best. ZH Article. EVER. Hits the nail on the head.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:57 | 3319764 GrinandBearit
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Look at that first chart.  It was the creation of 401k/IRA's in 1978 that really enabled/enriched these greedy banksters.  They really all need to be hanged.

Tue, 03/12/2013 - 12:02 | 3322645 1eyedman
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also a redistribution of risk, from pension fund to individuals, and at higher costs.  even today after dramatic reduction in trading costs, large funds manage money for uner .5%, regular people pay 3-4x that all in.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:40 | 3319968 Westcoastliberal
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Great article, Dylan and well put.

As an observer of all things economic and political it seems to me the U.S. has been taken over by a cabal, stretching way back to the Reagan years and greatly accelerating with Bush/Cheney.

A handful of people in control of our nation's wealth, government, and military-marching straight toward the fascist state with little regard for Human values.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 19:05 | 3320980 toys for tits
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Dude, or dudette, it's both political sides.  

Hang around ZH long enough and the distracting partisian mud will be wiped away from your eyes.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:20 | 3320398 resurger
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Dylan Grice is one of my favourites on ZH ..

So now hes with Edelweiss, i thought he quit SG and retiring for good.


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:48 | 3320500 dolph9
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The best way to protect yourself against the system is in fact to exit it.

There are those who make fun of this..."they cling to guns and God because they don't have trust in the system."

But think about it...common sense and game theory suggests this should be the case.  If you can't trust the system, then it follows as day follows night that you should fall back on people and things that you do trust, or at least that you know better.

This is the basic reason why you need to exit the financial markets.  You cannot trust them!  This above all needs to be the message.

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:40 | 3320508 Shigure
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Loss of trust in:

the currency

the politicians/government

the food

the MSM

big corporations


Mon, 03/11/2013 - 17:29 | 3320691 Crtrvlt
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"The unaware victims of this accidental redistribution don’t know who the enemy is"

this is not accidental 

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 19:33 | 3321036 blindman
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very well done, thanks for saying it!
@"..Those to whom the system brings windfalls… become “profiteers” who are the object of the hatred…. the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery."
i suppose the fed members are familiar with the keynes quote and they certainly
know they are intimately associated with the "money" and the wealth-getting dynamic/
key word: lottery (they even have a prohibition against it. see below)
Federal Reserve Act

Section 9A. Participation in Lotteries Prohibited
(a) A State member bank may not-- in lottery tickets; in bets used as a means or substitute for participation in a lottery;
3.announce, advertise, or publicize the existence of any lottery;
4.announce, advertise, or publicize the existence or identity of any participant or winner, as such, in a lottery.

(b) A State member bank may not permit-- 1.the use of any part of any of its banking offices by any person for any purpose forbidden to the bank under subsection (a), or access by the public from any of its banking offices to any premises used by any person for any purpose forbidden to the bank under subsection (a).

(c) As used in this section-- 1.The term "deal in" includes making, taking, buying, selling, redeeming, or collecting.
2.The term "lottery" includes any arrangement whereby three or more persons (the "participants") advance money or credit to another in exchange for the possibility or expectation that one or more but not all of the participants (the "winners") will receive by reason of their advances more than the amounts they have advanced, the identity of the winners being determined by any means which includes--
A.a random selection;
B.a game, race, or contest; or
C.any record or tabulation of the result of one or more events in which any participant has no interest except for its bearing upon the possibility that he may become a winner.

3.The term "lottery ticket" includes any right, privilege, or possibility (and any ticket, receipt, record, or other evidence of any such right, privilege, or possibility) of becoming a winner in a lottery.

(d) Nothing contained in this section prohibits a State member bank from accepting deposits or cashing or otherwise handling checks or other negotiable instruments, or performing other lawful banking services for a State operating a lottery, or for an officer or employee of that State who is charged with the administration of the lottery.

(e) The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System shall issue such regulations as may be necessary to the strict enforcement of this section and the prevention of evasions thereof.
[12 USC 339. As added by act of Dec. 15, 1967 (81 Stat. 609) effective April 1, 1968. Corresponding prohibitions are contained in section 5136B of the Revised Statutes, section 20 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act, and section 410 of the National Housing Act with respect to national banks, nonmember insured banks, and institutions insured by the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, respectively.]
so how is this accurate..
"..So with their crackpot monetary ideas, central banks have been robbing Peter to pay Paul without knowing which one was which." ..d.g.
i would bet! that they know peter from paul as well as peter and paul do
and actually i think the name peter paul, as in first and middle or first
and last, is quite common. interesting
lottery (n.) 1560s, "arrangement for a distribution of prizes by chance," from Italian lotteria, from lotto "lot, portion, share," from same root as Old English hlot (see lot). Cf. Middle French loterie, from Middle Dutch loterje, from lot (n.).
question, is a derivative a lottery (ticket)?
is the dollar, federal reserve note, a lottery (ticket)?
or the bonds? or the mbss?

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 19:43 | 3321064 blindman
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Peter Tosh - Equal Rights

Mon, 03/11/2013 - 20:07 | 3321138 blindman
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ok, so i'm trying to walk across the street and
it is the lunch hour and to my surprise the intersection
i have to cross is being blocked and guarded by law
enforcement personnel, employees, whatever ....
because Barnum and Bailey railroad cars are being
pulled along the tracks, blocking the intersection from
traffic and pedestrians, that is us on the street, ....
anyway ...
so we wait there for all these cars to go by, about
15 minutes, and i realize ! !!! the circus is in town !
when that is over i walk into a shop and start a conversation
with a perfect stranger, almost, and he tells me ..
and i let us say paraphrase.. " there is a cap at $1585 top
and $1560 bottom. the bottom can't be breached, if you will,
and the cap can't last. it is being held to give certain
countries time to buy cheap so that when the world currency is
rolled out these countries will have the necessary gold to
justify their standing in the global financial markets "allowing"
them to extend domestic credit."
of course i am shocked as if having been stung by a taser.
i make some ridiculous remark about him being a student of
economists as he is married to an economist and then i walk out.
jeez, back to the train tracks.

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