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Argentina's Jorge Mario Bergoglio Elected As Pope Francis
A surprising pick for Pope, Argentina's 76 year old Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who was not among the front-runners, is now the Pope of the Catholic Church. His chosen name is Pope Francis. He is the first non-European pope since 741.
His biography via Wikipedia:
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, SJ (born December 17, 1936) is the current pope of the Roman Catholic Church, elected on March 13, 2013 and taking the regnal name of Francis. Prior to his election, he served as an Argentine cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church. He has served as the Archbishop of Buenos Aires since 1998. He was elevated to the cardinalate in 2001.
Early life
Jorge Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of an Italian railway worker and his wife. After studying at the seminary in Villa Devoto, he entered the Society of Jesus on March 11, 1958. Bergoglio obtained a licentiate in philosophy from the Colegio Máximo San José in San Miguel, and then taught literature and psychology at the Colegio de la Inmaculada in Santa Fe, and the Colegio del Salvador in Buenos Aires. He was ordained to the priesthood on December 13, 1969, by Archbishop Ramón José Castellano. He attended the Philosophical and Theological Faculty of San Miguel, a seminary in San Miguel. Bergoglio attained the position of novice master there and became professor of theology.
Impressed with his leadership skills, the Society of Jesus promoted Bergoglio and he served as provincial for Argentina from 1973 to 1979. He was transferred in 1980 to become the rector of the seminray in San Miguel where had had studied. He served in that capacity until 1986. He completed his doctoral dissertation in Germany and returned to his homeland to serve as confessor and spiritual director in Córdoba.
Bergoglio succeeded Cardinal Quarracino on February 28, 1998. He was concurrently named ordinary for Eastern Catholics in Argentina, who lacked their own prelate. Pope John Paul II summoned the newly named archbishop to the consistory of February 21, 2001 in Vatican City and elevated Bergoglio with the papal honors of a cardinal. He was named to the Cardinal-Priest of Saint Robert Bellarmino.
Cardinal
Jorge Cardinal Bergoglio greets President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, December, 2007.
As cardinal, Bergoglio was appointed to several administrative positions in the Roman Curia. He served on the Congregation of Clergy, Congregation of Divine Worship and Sacraments, Congregation of Institutes of Consecrated Life and the Congregation of Societies of Apostolic Life. Bergoglio became a member of the Commission on Latin American and the Family Council.
As Cardinal, Bergoglio became known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.
Upon the death of Pope John Paul II, Bergoglio, considered papabile himself, participated in the 2005 papal conclave as a cardinal elector, the conclave that selected Pope Benedict XVI. A widespread theory says that he was in a tight fight with Ratzinger until he himself adviced crying not to be voted. Earlier, he had participated in the funeral of Pope John Paul II and acted as a regent alongside the College of Cardinals, governing the Holy See and the Roman Catholic Church during the interregnum sede vacante period. Cardinal Bergoglio remains eligible to participate in conclaves that begin before his 80th birthday on December 17, 2016.
During the 2005 Synod of Bishops, he was elected a member of the Post-Synodal council. Catholic journalist John L. Allen, Jr. reported that Bergoglio was a frontrunner in the 2005 Conclave. An unauthorized diary of uncertain authenticity released in September 2005 confirmed that Bergogolio was the runner-up and main challenger of Cardinal Ratzinger at that conclave. The purported diary of the anonymous cardinal claimed Bergoglio received 40 votes in the third ballot, but fell back to 26 at the fourth and decisive ballot.
On November 8, 2005, Bergoglio was elected President of the Argentine Episcopal Conference for a three-year term (2005–2008) by a large majority of the Argentine bishops, which according to reports confirms his local leadership and the international prestige earned by his alleged performance in the conclave. He was reelected on November 11, 2008.
Views
Liberation theology
Bergoglio is an accomplished theologian who distanced himself from liberation theology early in his career. He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.
Abortion and euthanasia
Cardinal Bergoglio has invited his clergy and laity to oppose both abortion and euthanasia.
Homosexuality
He has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality, though he teaches the importance of respecting individuals who are gay. He strongly opposed legislation introduced in 2010 by the Argentine Government to allow same-sex marriage. In a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires, he wrote: "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." He has also insisted that adoption by gays and lesbians is a form of discrimination against children. This position received a rebuke from Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who said the church's tone was reminiscent of "medieval times and the Inquisition".
Church and AIDS
His doctrinal orthodoxy emphasizes Christ's mandate to love: he is well remembered for his 2001 visit to a hospice, in which he washed and kissed the feet of twelve AIDS patients.
Social justice
He consistently preaches a message of compassion towards the poor, but somewho? observers would like him to place a greater emphasis on issues of social justice. Rather than articulating positions on matters of political economy, Bergoglio prefers to emphasize spirituality and holiness, believing that this will naturally lead to greater concern for the suffering of the poor. He has, however, voiced support for social programs, and publicly challenged free-market policies.
Relations with the Argentine government
On April 15, 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the junta in 1976 to kidnap two Jesuit priests, whom he, as superior of the Society of Jesus of Argentina in 1976, had asked to leave their pastoral work following conflict within the Society over how to respond to the new military dictatorship, with some priests advocating a violent overthrow. Bergoglio's spokesman has flatly denied the allegations. No evidence was presented linking the cardinal to this crime.
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Sterling, I hope that you and Lana stop teasing us, and 'deliver' in tomorrow's episode. God, I hope you score!
What does he think of the Falklands? Should they be handed to Argentina? Or it is God's wish thet remain under the queen?
Finally, an infallible Argentinian.
Obviously god answers to the queen, so the islands stay with england.
The Annanuki Shape Shifting Freebasing Alcoholic Lizardry from the Sky.
Do not fuck with Her Royal Squamate Reptilian.
(Goerge Orwell left this chapter out on purpose.)
(Believe me)
A ringer for movie composer Ennio Morricone
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/22450/ennio_morricone_22450.jpg
He's a Jesuit? How can he be a Jesuit?
I thought they couldn't hold office.
I'll confess to not knowing a hell of a lot about the Jesuits but there's a lot of dodgy 'conspiracy' theories out there. Black Popes and all.
Well, we have a Black Pope after all.
No Jesuit has ever been elected before.
This is truly weird.
A Jesuit that takes the name of the originator of the Franciscan orders. Very intriguing.
Exactly what I was thinking...
Wikipedia even updated the 'Prophecy of the Popes' section already as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
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I like Tits thinking...maybe 'they' couldnt make it out right 'obvious.'
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The taking of the name Francis (1st)...South American (1st)....Jesuit (1st)...born of Italian parents = interesting indeed.
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Let the real digging of info/research begin...
The Southern Baptist Anti-Conspiracy Law Center gonna put you guys on their shit list for stuff like that....
No need for intrigue if you are informed: He's named after Francis Xavier -- the gutsy missionary -- not the 'nice' Francis of Assisi who spoke to birds and founded a monastic order. Got it? Stop listening to the MSM idiots who know jack, and have some non-Catholic assistant doing the background research.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican37.htm
Does this mean there will be latin music at the post pope party?
I hope there are empanadas. Papal empanadas, that is.
After John Paul II, they will be electing 70 and 80 year old popes for a long time. A natural term limit.
Yes, a young pope can eventually control the College of Cardinals through appointments....
JP II did exactly that and it resulted in a far more conservative church....
$50 says Kirchner tries to collateralize his holiness for future issuances.
Suggestions for pope names -
Pope Poop
Pope Pass the Collection Plate
Pope Pompus
Pope Allotta Vagina
Pope Fiat
Pope Colt 45
Pope Viagra
Pope Meta World Peace
Pope Olive Oil. My moms favorite back in the day, along with Caruso
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Pope Tyler Durden
Pope Prius
Pope James Brown
Pope Rope-a-Dope
Pope Kung Faux
Pope Diggler
Pope X
Pope Barrack
Pope Pedofile
Pope Nero
Pope James T. Kirk
Pope Caligula
Pope Lord Xenu
Hey man...like thats some really deep stuff man. Have you got any more of that man. Cause I really got off on that man and i could some more.............NOT!
Pope Muhammed gets my vote.
Pope Prius. Is that the hybrid Popemobile?
PopeMobile.jpg
Papa Messi
Insider betting anyone...
That gaucho hat is going to clash with those papal vestments.
Any of you calls me Francis, I'll excommunicate ya.
Any of you homos touches me, or my stuff, I'll excommunicate ya.
Lighten up, Francis.
Can we call him Frank?
Pope Frank the Tank
"Let's go streaking through the quad."
Pope Imp Pope Ussy
Pope Eeple
young and vibrant at 76
uhmm you should also include easily persuaded.
Would have been great if they picked some kid in his 20s named Cody, who calls everyone "Bro".
Pope Cody: "Feed the hungry, heal the sick and party down...gangnam style!" Pope Cody then busts a move.
You mean, calls everyone "Bra," right?
Like Burt Reynolds ? opps sorry he's 77. uh . like Jack Nicholson ?
Pat Buchanan predicted the next pope would come from Latin America or Africa in Suicide of a Superpower. Only parts of the world where the church is growing.
That's a prediction?
Yes, written two years ago or more. He also predicted that this past election was the Republicans' last chance at the White House given the replacement of European Americans by non-white immigrants. Whether this impresses you as predictive or not, the fact that he published these simple truths cost him his job at MSNBC.
Pat Buchanan working at MSNBC is an oxymoron.
Condensed version: Working at MSNBC is an oxymoron.
Another condensed version: Pat Buchanan working is an oxymoron.
They don't work. They make random shit up 24/7/365.
I should know
growing in Russia too... So much so, it's becoming much more religous than USSA...
Is Roman Catholicism growing in Russia? I thought they went for the Eastern variety?
church in general... christianity... religon...
Is that you glenn beck?
I used to be Roman Catholic... Now I just play one, for my family...
US elections are totally rigged. Obama stole 2012 qnd probably 2008 and teh Republicans said nothing.
China one day may be the largest Christian nation. Look at South Korea which has many faithful Christians. People can mock faith but doing good deeds and helping people are good things except when the govt is doing it.
It's been a while since I read the book, but Buchanan spends some time on the changing demographics of Russia. He claims that Muslims are expected to make up 20% of the country's population by 2020. He quotes Al Jazeera as projecting that half of the people living in Russia come 2040 will be muslims.
I'm just a pedestrian on the subject at best... Hope that's not the case though (muslim influx) as I was hoping my semi-distant russian herritage would entitle my family to a somewhat safer haven, if this country (USA) becomes the new communist stronghold of the world it's seemingly headed toward.
Seems like we're headed into a holy war, or several holy wars, at some point in the future... Christianity seems resigned to the inevitable...
We've never left that Holy War.
There is a fundamental reason the the Twin Towers fell on that specific day in September. In 1683 the Muslim horde was virtually poised to conclude its takeover of Europe, of Christendom. On September 11, at a battle referred to as the Siege of the Gates of Vienna, Islamic power was for a time, defeated and returned eastward to it's central, home lands. And indeed, the entire reason for the lack of possibly defeating the Invaders earlier was that Rome was having its hands full likewise dealing with a minor social disturbance referred to as the Reformation, in part brought about by a new information age driven the Gutenberg press...
We are simply in a new phase of a very old wars of religion and information, of the inequities of the selfish and the tyrannys of evil men, all over again, as if nothing had ever happened.
But for folks forgetting history.
9/11 happened on a date certain, as a reminder....
They got smashed at the Gates of Vienna by King Jan Sobieski and the Polish Hussars on that day.
Freddie, spot on and a Gold Star.
Very few people know that, let alone any of the important rich history of the period.
Was also a time when mercury was more expensive than gold or silver....
Why there were many institutions with the God, Mercury as a symbol
And during which time futures and options on gold and silver were traded....
When Kings and Countries went bankrupt for lack of specie...
I am meeting with a certain crime writer tomorrow who claims he is the King of Poland.
When he explained it to me years ago, it made good sense, but I was drinking back then and I think we were stoned.
Thirty years ago, he asked, "what's the big secret about Banksters controlling the world? I thought everybody knew that."
It's POWER that's pushing us headlong into war. War is ALWAYS about resources. Religion is only a prop in supporting it, kind of like the patriotic BS used to suck dumb Americans into dying in the ME wars (for control of oil).
Gott mit uns?
The Third Secret of Fatima specifically cites that the "Russia will spread her errors throughout the world". Certainly looks like the "errors" have taken root even here in these United States. Remember that the Secrets of Fatima were revealed in 1917, BEFORE Communism as a functioning political system got its start anywhere in the world.
Sister Lucia had already given an indication for interpreting the third part of the “secret” in a letter to the Holy Father, dated 12 May 1982:
“The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady's words: ‘If not [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated' (13-VII-1917).
The third part of the secret is a symbolic revelation, referring to this part of the Message, conditioned by whether we accept or not what the Message itself asks of us: ‘If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, etc.'.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_...
Do you think her requests were heeded?
That's what I was affraid of... Can see that train coming... It gets closer and larger every day...
Nope, clearly not yet. But there is still time to repent.
I have been seeing more regarding Putin and the strengthening of the Eastern Orthodox Church in Russia. While it is heartening, the results will speak for themselves (some figures have abortions at 7 per woman).
We all look for hope, but the signs are too obvious and there are simply too many self-absorbed morons occupying bodies here. We'll be dodging not only Stasi enforcers, the expansion of the beast system, and surviving, but also jumping out of the way of meteors, lightning, and the possessed.
Some secret, if the whole of the freakin catholic world knows it.
It remained a secret for almost a 100 years. Pope John Paul 2 only revealed it at the end of his papacy. Clearly he thought we needed to know.
since when did fatima become something other than a fraud?
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2013/03/13/13444731-testimonios-vincu...
remember that karl marx died in 1883, which is a lot earlier than 1917.
I think more importantly, "Demons" by Fyodor Dostoyevsky was published in 1872.
Ummm... that would be the "UNION of Soviet Socialist RepublicS"
He's probably relieved that he doesn't have to worry about the social misery caused by Argentianian hyperinflation anymore.
He's moving to Italy. This is an improvement?
he can pray for all the Italian housewives who lost everything in Argentine bonds
Elected on the 13th day of the 13th year, 13 days after Benedict left Rome. Bad omen.
And he was born on December 13th.
Lucky for China?
Bad is good now. Just like bad news is bullish for the markets.
News said he was born on December 13th, but Wikipedia says December 17th.
Hey, that guy did my taxes for me last year!
Odd, he fixed my sink...
okay we have a Gypsy Pope, don't make a big deal out of it
Its good to be the Pope.
his first pronouncement is to actually follow the word of Jesus....the Church will give away all of its riches....all of its gold....all of its shares of stock............all of its real estate holdings...............the Church will do this so that all Catholics may find their way to heaven. then there will be peace in the world................
'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourself treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Excellent, Kito.
I love the new Pope! I won't hafta worry about my mortgage now... or my cellphurne payment...
Keep Jorge Mario Bergoglio in Pope!
The Economist estimates that the Catholic Church spends about $171,600,000,000 a year.
Not a typo – sweet mother of Jesus!
Bullet Proof Glass
And with totally secret, opaque accounting, everything will appear just fine until the weekend the church DEFAULTS.
the Church will give away all of its riches...
The Catholic Church has been giving away its riches, thanks to the sexual scandals.
All organized religions will be wiped out in the very near future and the governments and big businesses will mourn.
I just wish that Jesus Christ would come back for this very reason, and then arrive at the Vatican, see all of the gold, extravagance, etc.........just so we can hear him say, "You assholes really didn't pay attention and get it, did you?"
They will, if the Satan-worshiping wing of the NWO has its way. According to the folks who believe that the NWO is led by Satanists.
white smoke bitchez
if they used a vaporizor there would be no smoke, just the high
i'm not celebrating until i see some of that coming out of the stack on top of the White House
God Bless him and flock he now represents :-)
which god?
There is no other God but God.
And mohammed is the prophet of god.
Hey down arroweres, he posted the first line of the koran so i posted the second, get a clue.
Can I find that one on http://www.godchecker.com ?
Wow, I've never been to godchecker before. They have more gods than I could shake a stick at.
"There's never just one. . ."
You referring to my ashtray CA?
Amen.
Out of all the bad and evil things in the world it is good to see people of any denomination unite under God.
Indeed, the crusades went really well.
No, actually, they didn't go well at all. If they had gone well, they would have wiped the Muslims from the face of the earth.
THis is the price we paid for their failures. Funny how you didn't get to read any of this in your state-sanctioned history books.
Holy Warriors: Islam and the Demise of Classical Civilization"One of the most enduring problems of history is the decline of Classical Civilization. How was it that the civilization of Greece and Rome, which had endured almost a thousand years, a civilization which prized learning, science and reason, gave way to the world of the Medieval; an age which saw, for a while, the almost complete disappearance of the rationalist spirit of Greece and Rome? The traditional view was that after their seizure of Italy in the fifth century, the Barbarian tribes of Germany and Scythia had reduced Europe to an economic and cultural wasteland, initiating a Dark Age, which was to last half a millennium. After the Reformation, another suspect was added to the list: Christianity, or, more accurately, Catholic Christianity. In this view Christianity was corrupted beyond recognition after the time of Constantine and from the fourth century onwards a power-hungry Church hierarchy, in cahoots with the Imperial authorities, kept the population of Europe in subservience and ignorance, effectively completing the destructive work of the Barbarians.
In this ground-breaking work, historian John J. O'Neill examines a great variety of evidence from many specialties and reaches an astonishing and novel conclusion: Classical Civilization was not destroyed by Barbarians or by Christians. It survived intact into the early seventh century. The Vandals and Goths who seized the Western Empire in the fifth century had become completely romanized by the start of the sixth century. Artistic and intellectual life flourished, as did the economy and the cities built earlier under the Empire. Yet sometime in the middle of the seventh century everything changed. Cities were abandoned, literacy plummeted, royal authority declined and local strongmen, or "barons", seized control of the provinces. The Middle Ages had begun.
Who or what had caused this? As O'Neill notes, by the 1920s Belgian historian Henri Pirenne had located the proverbial "smoking gun"; but it was not in the hands of the Barbarians or the Christians: it was held by those who, even then, it had become fashionable to credit with saving, rather than destroying, Classical Civilization: the Arabs. In a conclusion that will have resonance for the modern world, O'Neill argues convincingly that all we regard as "Medieval" had its origin in Islam, and that the Muslims terminated Classical Civilization in Europe just as surely as they did in the Middle East. O'Neill shows how the sudden relapse of Europe in the seventh century was due entirely to the economic blockade imposed by Islam's war against Christendom. The Mediterranean, which had previously been a cultural highway, now became a frontier, and a very dangerous frontier at it. Prompted by Islam's doctrine of perpetual war against nonbelievers, Muslim pirates scoured the Mediterranean, effectively ending all trade between Europe and the great centers of civilization in the Near East. The flow of gold ended, as did the supply of all luxury items. And so too did the supply of papyrus from Egypt, without which Europeans were forced to rely on expensive parchment. Not surprisingly, literacy plummeted. Worst of all, the great cities of the West, which depended upon the trade in luxury items from the East, began to decline.
As the dominant power of the time, ideas originating in the Islamic world now began to penetrate Europe. From their Muslim foes Christian Europeans began to think in terms that would have been unimaginable a century earlier. The idea of "Holy War" entered the mindset of Christians, and, under the influence of Islam, the rationalism of Greece and Rome began to be replaced by a literal and intolerant interpretation of "The Book." Classical civilization was dead."
http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Warriors-Classical-Civilization-ebook/dp/B007...
My friend J.L. White wrote a book that included references of the corruption of the catholic church during that time... Books called "The Tree of Life, an Atomic Alternative" and was self published in 1989... Just pulled it off the shelf, and read the last paragraph...
"In Jerusalem flows the river of the Water of Life, bright as crystal, pouring out from the throne of God and of the Lamb, right down the middle of the street. On either side of the river is the Tree of Life producing twelve different kinds of fruit and giving new fruit every month. The leaves from the Tree of Life were used to heal the nations. No longer will they suffer from the curse of the religon of church and state because God's throne and the Lamb's throne are in Jerusalem. God's servants will worship Him and see Him face to face. No longer will there be night. There will be no need for a sun; even the need for a lamp will be nonexistent because the Lord God will shine on them and they will be kings forever."
referring of course to the corruption of the catholic church...
"referring of course to the corruption of the catholic church..."
No way! Power doesn't corrupt! Um, well... never mind!
My understanding is that is how the stories of dragons and monsters were created.
To protect the egos of the "christians" who git their asses kicked all the way back to where they came from by a bunch of Asians riding smaller horses.
one and the same
the islamic connection to rome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDBRPF9uCYk
I will never forget the /Sarc tag again.
Apologies,
stalemate or new game?
meet the new boss, same as the old boss, won't get fooled again
Yes, you will.
Definitely a new game.
First Jesuit.
New name.
Spreading the word of Love.
Defintiely not the same.
:D
Another old man dressed as a Wizard? It's like fucking Hogwarts around here...
Pope Affirmative Action I
He is a Jesuit. I went to a Jesuit HS & a Jesuit college.... most Jesuits not all, are Marxists that put social justice above all. I'm not terribly surprised by this move.
Francis just told the people that we're "all in this together".
Remind you of anyone?
Francis of Sinatra
Francis of Sawyer
Frankie Baggadonuts, teamster union rep local 219. Now cough up da money.
What has been hidden shall be shouted from the rooftops.
Frankie Frisch, one of the 2 Cardinals to go to Hofstra.
(Is that too much of a reach?)
Hitler?
very well done. look at the statistics and growth. south america is huge catholic population. they had to do it.
i was suprised by the german choice, but they did that first to mitigate the wwii thing and now common sense is
simply south america. had to be done.
Yep, the game plan is crystal clear, but they have to ease into the Third World pope --- first a couple of non-Italian Europeans, then a South American, then maybe an Indian or a Philipino, then finally an African.
After that, maybe they will chose a cardinal from Egypt or Syria, just for the fun of it.
I'm holding out for one from Chechnya. That will be a hell of a party.
Replacing the shitty wine with vodka could get a few more butts in the seats at Church on Sundays.
Smirnoff Blood of Christ......
''The permanent instruction of the alta vendita''
And how will Skeeter handle the competition?
Skeeter does not play well with others.
Great. Is everything fixed now? Before the news broke, I had just started to write some of my usual trash, this one entitled "Multiple Breeds of Bull(shit)". Does this mean I don't have to finish it? I had better keep going on the keyboard just in case.
disclosure: agnostic and libertarian.
Apparently he placed second on all 5 ballots in the 2005 conclave....
so we have a POPE who is familiar with financial chaos, currency collapse, idiotic wars over sheep covered islands, more financial chaos, larger than life political leaders, more currency collapse, bond defaults, hubris in all its forms, and deeply concerned with the plight of the poor. He's not an American, but he could be.
For people living on other continents, he is an American...not of the citizenism variety, but nonetheless a Pope from the New World.
"His doctrinal orthodoxy emphasizes Christ's mandate to love: he is well remembered for his 2001 visit to a hospice, in which he washed and kissed the feet of twelve AIDS patients."
Oh my, how holly. Did he spend a tiny fraction of the church's billions on antiviral drugs for the AIDS patients before he left, or was the feet washing good enough?
So Okay we know how he feels about gay marriage.
What's his position on the retention/protection of pedophile priests?
Praise Pope Francis. Bless us all.
Lord knows we need it.
Bad.
We Catholics are hoping for the best. I get your humor, folks, but give the guy a chance. The church does a lot of good for a lot of people worldwide everyday.
a jesuit? they elected a bankster. monti's revenge
Maybe they felt in need of protection.
The Vatican Rag (Tom Lehrer)
First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
Do whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.
Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!
So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman,
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag!
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion". Sir Francis Bacon
Well, at least they got the youth factor in there. Also the Fascist-family-flees-Itlay-for-Argentina-demo. That's huge.
Another Pope Thread??? Let me repost my Irish Poem from the other thread:
Pax Caramella
The Catholics have a new Pope,
Who will prosecute bad priests, we hope.
And put them in jail
Without any bail,
And make them bend over for soap!
Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter
First Jewish Pope
Wouldn't that be the apostle Peter?
Oh! They love puffin Peter!
Some interesting history revisions done on wikipedia the minute he was announced which was Jore Mario Bergoglio's theological leanings. Reason is they give insight into the upcoming elections or coalition formation for an existing government.
Here is what was scrubbed off wikipedia.
Jorge originally was an adherent to a movement called liberation theology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
This is basically the equivalent to Christian marxism.
At some point he changed his position (allegedly) and embraced what is called Communion and Liberation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunione_e_Liberazione
So the question is, is Jorge just a "unchanged christian marxist" who joined a "Catholic integralist and anti-Marxist political organization" for political favor since Communion and Liberation was openly supported by Pope John Paul II or not?
The implication here is that the movement is tied to the old Christian Democratic Party which in turn became part of Silvio Bersculoni's coalition in later incarnations including the current election. Socalist wolf in sheep's clothing is the question to ask now.
I'm kicking myself in the ass for not taking a screenshot since I had wikipedia queued up and ready for the announcement. I'm surprised how fast the information was edited (scrubbed clean).
Looks like the Guardian picked up on it also before it was scrubbed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/13/jorge-mario-bergoglio-pope-p...
Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who has become the Catholic church's 266th pope, is the choice of humility, a Jesuit intellectual who travels by bus and has a practical approach to poverty: when he was appointed a cardinal, Bergoglio persuaded hundreds of Argentinians not to fly to Rome to celebrate with him but instead to give the money they would have spent on plane tickets to the poor.
Something of a surprise choice – he was quoted as a 30/1 outsider going into the conclave – the archbishop of Buenos Aires was one of the leading challengers to Joseph Ratzinger during the 2005 conclave that elected the latter as Benedict XVI.
A champion of liberation theology which some thought might have been too much for conservatives in the Vatican, he nonetheless is considered a candidate that everyone in the higher echelons of the church respects. He becomes the church's first Latin American pope.
Much is made of his humility: he gave up the grandiose setting of the cardinal's residence in the Argentine capital for the trappings of a small apartment, and rejected the notion of a chauffeur driven car for public transport.
Bergoglio, who will take the name Francis as pope, was born in December 1936, one of five children of an Italian railway worker. He reportedly had a lung removed while a teenager, due to an infection. He taught literature and psychology in Argentina before being ordained in 1969. He was created a cardinal by John Paul II on 21 February 2001.
Unlike other cardinals, he has been untarnished by the various scandals rocking the Catholic church, and is thought to want to make reform of the Curia a priority. He was a fierce opponent of Argentina's decision to legalise gay marriage in 2010, arguing children need to have the right to be raised and educated by a father and a mother. But he takes a slightly more pragmatic view on contraception, believing that it can be permissible to prevent the spread of disease. He is ecumenical, believing in interfaith dialogue.
In 2009 Bergoglio made headlines when he criticised the government of Ernesto Kirchner, husband of current Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, claiming it was "immoral, illegitimate and unjust" to allow inequality in the country to grow. "Rather than preventing that, it seems they have opted for making inequalities even greater," he said. "Human rights are not only violated by terrorism, repression or assassination, but also by unfair economic structures that creates huge inequalities," he said at the time.
Here is the unscrubbed wikipedia page prior to election.
http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio
ViewsEdit Liberation theologyEditBergoglio is an accomplished theologian who distanced himself from liberation theology early in his career. He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.
Abortion and euthanasiaEditCardinal Bergoglio has invited his clergy and laity to support the culture of life, in which human life is recognized and respected from its conception to its natural end. [1]
HomosexualityEditHe has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality, though he teaches the importance of respecting individuals who are gay.
Church and AIDSEdit Main article: Roman Catholic Church and AIDSHis doctrinal conservatism is tempered with compassion: he is well remembered for his 2001 visit to a hospice, in which he washed and kissed the feet of twelve AIDS patients.
Social justiceEditHe consistently preaches a message of compassion towards the poor, but some observers would like him to place a greater emphasis on issues of social justice. Rather than articulating positions on matters of political economy, Bergoglio prefers to emphasize spirituality and holiness, believing that this will naturally lead to greater concern for the suffering of the poor. He has, however, voiced support for social programs, and publicly challenged free-market policies.
Relations with the Argentine governmentEdit See also: Dirty WarOn April 15, 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Argentine cardinal Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the junta in 1976 to kidnap two Jesuit priests, whom he, as superior of the Society of Jesus of Argentina in 1976 had asked to leave their pastoral work following conflict within the Society over how to respond to the new military dictatorship, with some priests advocating a violent overthrow. Bergoglio's spokesman has flatly denied the allegations. No hard evidence was presented linking the cardinal to this crime.[1]
I screenshoted the page for archival purposes. Will also upload the offline html page somewhere later on too for archival purposes. I like wikipedia but everyone just got a textbook lesson in history revision via the democratic editing process on wikipedia.
The last paragraph could be very badass if he were measured by the same standards with which Cardinal Ratzinger was 'cough'
Seriously?
Don't you think that if anyone in the world should be a Marxist it should be the Pope?
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