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Guest Post: A Roadmap For American Grand Strategy Part 3 (Of 3)

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Following Part 1's discussion of America's Dangerous Drift, and Part 2's succincy summation of why America needs a Grand Strategy, today's Part 3 concludes with a discussion of the 'choice' American leaders have: "A decline in America’s leadership role and the emergence of a highly unstable world is a serious possibility. In reality, decline is not a foregone conclusion but a deliberate political choice that builds from a failure to define what matters most to the nation." When we step back from the language and imperatives of grand strategy, the case for the United States to rethink its grand strategy is fundamentally simple. It is designed to meet serious threats while creating and taking advantage of strategic opportunities. To continue on the present course of "drifting" from crisis to crisis effectively invites powers to believe that America is in decline. Worse, Americans, too, might believe wrongly that the nation’s decline is inevitable. If we are to assure America’s future security and prosperity, we need a new national grand strategy that harnesses America’s spirit, sense of optimism, and perseverance to help the nation meet the challenges and grasp the opportunities of this era. When we think about the alternatives, the United States simply has no choice.


Submitted by William C. Martel of The Diplomat,

For America, Decline Is A Choice

A decline in America’s leadership role and the emergence of a highly unstable world is a serious possibility. In reality, decline is not a foregone conclusion but a deliberate political choice that builds from a failure to define what matters most to the nation.

It is imperative for the United States to articulate principles to guide its foreign policy. This is precisely what grand strategy does. The challenges are too great, and the stakes too high, for the United States to fail to articulate and pursue its core foreign policy objectives.

A number of challenges around the world pose serious risks for the United States, its allies, and partners. The goal for American grand strategy is to outline principles that guide U.S. policies, as a way to help policymakers reestablish the balance between the ends and means.

The United States has no practical choice but to align the necessity for strong leadership in foreign policy with an equally strong need for leadership at home, in order to rebuild the national foundations of power. A crucial element of America’s actions abroad will be working more with others and having a clearer sense of policies the American public will support. To implement grand strategy, the United States must carry out policies that align with the three principles outlined in my earlier essay.

Sadly, however, the disorganized approach to grand strategy is emblematic of the episodic and uneven quality of how American foreign policy operates. What the United States needs is a strategy for implementing its foreign policy in ways that respond to the sources of disorder examined earlier and help prepare the nation to confront future challenges and opportunities. The failure to advance a positive agenda for America’s role in the world will promote the belief that the nation is in decline.

Implementation at Home

A fundamental source of American influence in the world derives directly from the free-market economic underpinnings of U.S. national power. In reality, America, first and foremost, must devote greater time, attention, and resources to rebuilding the domestic foundations of its economy and power. This is the starting point to rebuilding America’s global influence.

To put this principle into practice, the United States will need to take several steps. If we consider the work conducted from the 1930s to the 1960s, the United States built a model for national success. Consider what America accomplished during those decades: a world-class infrastructure of roads, bridges, electric power grids, communications, and so forth. The result was to modernize the nation, build first-class industries, and create a more promising future for all Americans.

Meanwhile, the nation developed a world-class public education system, which gave the American people the skills to be competitive and productive members of society. Armed with these tools, the United States for decades was an uncontested economic superpower. America used to produce a higher percentage of college graduates than anywhere in the world. Now, America ranks 14th. To put it succinctly, the “American dream” looks much different than it used to. 

Today, the United States has an extraordinary and long-neglected need to rebuild our economic and social infrastructure. In truth, America's once robust system of roads, bridges, electric power grids, and mass transit systems are falling apart. To travel in the Northeast is to see a transportation infrastructure in utter disrepair. In 2012, the World Economic Forum ranked the United States’ infrastructure 25th in the world – hardly superpower status.

To implement American grand strategy, policymakers must rebuild more than the infrastructure and educational foundations of national power. Just as important is fixing the health care and retirement systems that provide a social safety net and help to ensure broad opportunities for all Americans.

Currently, annual expenditures for Social Security and Medicare exceed $1 trillion. Ominously, there are 4.6 persons for every retiree, while within 25 years, this ratio could drop to 2.7. The system, which as currently structured is not sustainable, requires immediate attention from policymakers if future generations are to be productive knowing that they will share in the benefits from economic prosperity.

The nation, furthermore, cannot afford to lose power, heat, and electricity for weeks in some of its major cities after every hurricane and snowstorm. But this is precisely what happens. When Hurricane Sandy grazed the state of New Hampshire in 2012, it left approximately 15 percent of its residents without electric power. While some consequences of natural disasters are inevitable, America’s declining infrastructure and technological capabilities must be reversed.

Another item critical to American power is advanced communications and internet systems. Just as a national telephone grid was critical to building American power in the 20th century, so too is national broadband essential to reinforcing U.S. power and influence.

Before seeking to implement principles of grand strategy that guide America’s foreign engagements, Americans need to understand that rebuilding the national foundations of power will allow the U.S. to take a much stronger international leadership role. Being strong at home will allow America to work more effectively and credibly with alliances and partners to address the world’s greatest challenges.

The next several sections detail how American foreign policy should implement its grand strategy through principles and policies that respond effectively to these challenges, or sources of disorder. As outlined in earlier articles, these sources of disorder are the product of actions by great powers, destabilizing middle powers, the rising authoritarian axis, and unexpected sources of instability and chaos.  

Engaging Great Powers

The United States should pursue a two-pronged strategy for countering the challenges posed by great powers.

Foremost, policymakers must reinforce American and democratic principles in dealing with sources of instability, chaos, and war. An important first principle is that Washington should work to dissuade China from using its growing military power to intimidate and bully states in Asia. Similarly, American policymakers need to address China’s increasingly strong relations with Russia as both states seek to exercise their influence as a counter-weight to Washington.

One primary way to use American leadership effectively is for Washington to pressure Russia to refrain from using its oil and natural gas as a weapon against its neighbors, including Ukraine and Georgia. Forming and bolstering alliances and partnerships with states along Russia’s border effectively signals to Moscow that Washington will exercise leadership when Russian behavior pushes beyond the “limits of good taste.” Another way to effectively pressure Russia is to explore potential export markets in Eastern Europe for America’s own increasing domestic sources of energy.

In parallel, Washington should work to dissuade China from using its growing military power to intimidate its neighbors in Asia. America already has developed strong alliances, both economic and political, with many states in the Asia-Pacific. We see clear signs throughout Asia that our partners increasingly fear China’s military and economic rise, which many states fear might be used by Beijing’s to pressure and coerce them.

In dealing with China, Washington should pursue a multi-dimensional strategy. China provides a great example of why America needs to balance exercising strong American leadership with working among partners and alliances. As tensions between the Japanese and the Chinese escalate over the Senkaku Islands, America needs to reinforce its alliance with Japan to show that it will lend its political, and if necessary military, support to its close ally.

Hedging China is going to involve working with close American allies in the region, including ASEAN nations, Australia, Japan, and South Korea. The essence of American grand strategy is to demonstrate that China's aggressive military and economic posturing in Asia will only help organize opposition.

Reinforcing our alliances with these nations also needs to be accompanied by stronger efforts to integrate China into the international system so that it can play a stronger and more responsible leadership role. This is going to require American policymakers to exercise effective leadership, which should begin with increased engagement with their Chinese counterparts.

A primary task for Secretary of State John Kerry is to accelerate diplomatic and political engagement with the Chinese leadership. While new to his office, Secretary Kerry has yet to travel to Asia, while he devotes much of his initial attention to America’s trans-Atlantic partnerships.

Restraining Destabilizing Powers

The United States also should pursue a multi-faceted strategy for dealing with the destabilizing actions of such middle powers as Iran, North Korea, and Pakistan. Current policies toward Syria and Iran do not provide positive evidence that American strategy is succeeding. To the contrary, these policies appear to be failing.

One strategy for the United States is to lead a coalition of allies and partners who strongly oppose the nuclear ambitions of states such as Iran. In line with reinforcing American leadership, American policymakers must restrain Iran from developing and deploying nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. America still has a number of capabilities at hand, including using already strong pressure from the international community, while leaving the military option on the table.

The situation has the potential to escalate at any moment in view of unexpected advances in Iranian nuclear capabilities and counter-moves by Israeli forces.

In the case of North Korea, it recently threatened to launch long-range rockets armed with nuclear weapons against the United States. The regime emphasizes the nation’s nuclear capabilities and ambitions, while committing atrocious human rights violations and ignoring North Korea’s already moribund economy. U.S. and U.N.-led sanctions do little to deter the provocative actions of North Korea’s leadership.

America might need a stronger approach sooner than we think. North Korea’s neighbors are central to this strategy, and the U.S. needs to persuade China to exercise stronger leadership.

As an ally of the United States, Pakistan presents a different challenge. Facing increasing civilian-military tension and the ever-present fear of terrorist attacks, Washington rightly fears the leakage of nuclear weapons and materials from Pakistan. The U.S. must use its influence to persuade Islamabad that its highest priority is secure control over nuclear weapons even in the face of convulsive political forces in the nation.

Geopolitically, Pakistan is an important nation with which the United States must build a stronger basis for engagement. As the U.S. winds down in Afghanistan, this presents serious implications for Pakistan. Furthermore, as mentioned previously with Russia, the U.S. has a strong interest in Central Asia because of the region’s oil and natural gas reserves. Both of these realities call for creative and pragmatic thinking about U.S. policy towards Pakistan, which must engage all levels of its government and civil society.

Managing the Authoritarian Axis

The American strategy for managing the various challenges that states in the authoritarian axis pose for the West rests on two core elements.

The first is to exercise American leadership to confront and restrain the growing degree of policy coordination between the authoritarian states. The problem for the United States is that it must deal with increasingly assertive authoritarian states, including Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and Syria.

Today, American grand strategy for managing the authoritarian axis is largely weak, reactive, and ineffective. The axis states coordinate their policies precisely to keep the West on the defensive. In the end, while most authoritarian societies cannot compete effectively with the West in economic terms, for now the cohesion and increasing coordination among states in the axis is moving in a worrying direction.

The second element of America’s strategy derives from the principle that calls for greater alignment with partner states and institutions to manage the authoritarian axis. The West’s grand strategy should be to identify the challenges posed by the axis, while counteracting its policies in thoughtful and deliberate ways. The West’s resources, despite current economic difficulties, so vastly outstrip that of the Axis states that their strategic position is in doubt.

The West’s countervailing strategy rests on three tactics. First, identify regularly what the authoritarian states do, say, and stand for. Transparency is a powerful antidote to authoritarianism. Second, emphasize that the values of democracy, freedom and free markets, and human rights provide the only basis for real prosperity and power. Third, be prepared to engage the authoritarian states on the “playing fields” of democracy, freedom, and economic prosperity.

Confronting the Unexpected

The United States and its allies must be prepared to deal with unexpected sources of disorder. To confront instability and anticipate problems yet to emerge, America should pursue a parallel strategy.

The first is to address the Arab Spring and the challenges posed by democratization in Egypt and Libya, extreme violence, and displacement in Syria. When dictatorial regimes lose their grip on power, America must stand firmly on the side of democracy. This calls for more than rhetoric and recognition, while recognizing that armed support can be messy.

Egypt’s experiment in democracy keeps the nation hovering on the brink of chaos and civil war. President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood struggle to legitimize their power while the constitution rolls back civil liberties and human rights. America must apply pressure by calling for democratic progress while allowing these states in transition to determine their own futures. Economic aid provides a powerful instrument to signal American interests.

America also must contend with non-state actors, such as Al Qaeda, whose ideology permits them to wage a global struggle. It has often been stated that America struggles to dominate the battle of ideas against organizations such as Al Qaeda. While we have made great progress in diminishing their power over the last decade, the U.S. can never cease to move forward on communicating its ideals, values, and principles.

If America uses its “soft power” to build with non-governmental and civil-society actors a world based on shared interests, values, and ideals, Washington can more effectively communicate and implement the foreign policy it seeks to achieve.                                     

The forces of rapid technological change and globalization effectively flatten power relationships between individuals, firms, and states. Consider cyber warfare in the hands of individuals and groups. Never before have non-state actors possessed an instrument that could, in theory, bring states to their knees.

The second element of confronting unexpected sources of disorder derives from the principle of building strong alliances and partnerships. Engagement and collaboration provide a powerful instrument for combating the corruption, poverty, and lack of hope that fuel extremism.

Consider the resurgence of extremists in Afghanistan’s impending political collapse. While the Taliban, Haqqani network, and Al Qaeda work to undermine the Afghanistan and Pakistan governments, NATO actively uses military force and works with international agencies and nongovernmental organizations to defeat the insurgency and improve the nation’s infrastructure and economy.

The consensus since 9/11—no state by itself can effectively restrain the forces that fuel extremism—compels states to work cooperatively to defeat extremism.


To be successful, American grand strategy must embody positive principles that match the circumstances of the moment, build a world based on peace and security, and are guided by the consent of the people. But simply having the right principles is only part of the equation. As most observers would expect, society and its policymakers must carefully balance how they put those principles into practice.

The first challenge involves rebuilding the domestic foundations of American power. This is the right moment for the United States to focus its efforts on domestic priorities. However, if the United States puts most of its emphasis on domestic concerns, it may appear to ignore its international leadership responsibilities. This is a prescription for self-imposed isolationism and decline.

While in an earlier era the United States could afford to disregard foreign problems, it no longer has this option. States in Asia, for example, tremble at the thought of America’s withdrawal from the Pacific, particularly with China’s increasingly assertive and aggressive actions in the near seas. A domestically oriented U.S. would signal to the world that Washington is less interested in foreign policy, which Beijing, Moscow, Tehran, and Pyongyang likely would interpret as an invitation to take aggressive action and expand their reach.

However, if the United States fails to devote significant political and economic attention and resources to rebuilding the foundations of its national power, it will find that it is increasingly unable to compete in the world.

The greater risk is an erosion of the willingness of the American people to support a leadership role for the U.S. We already are seeing deepening weariness on the part of the American people to support the costs and burdens of global leadership.

This balance applies with equal force to the principle of reinforcing America’s leadership role abroad. To build a secure and peaceful world, it is essential for the United States to play a leadership role. No other state can fill this role, since a world without leadership is fraught with perils. Getting this principle right requires a particularly delicate balancing act.

If the United States pursues a leadership role with too much involvement and reach, it will antagonize other states, which rightly believe that America does not have the right or authority to dominate the globe. For some observers, the last decade suggested that the United States exerted too much interference – that Washington overplayed its leadership role.

The principle of American grand strategy that calls for working more cooperatively and collaboratively with other states and institutions raises similar challenges. To ignore or merely pay lip service to this principle will suggest that the United States wants to “go it alone.” States will respond by isolating the United States or limiting their support for solving problems that require collective action.

What emerges is a cautionary note. The unbalanced application of any one of these principles alone will inflict significant harm on U.S. priorities and those of its friends and allies.

Worse, to put too much emphasis on any two principles also will undermine America’s grand strategy. For example, policies that emphasize rebuilding the domestic foundations of power and relying heavily on the role of cooperation will reinforce the impression that the United States is unwilling to lead in the current and future international system. States will see this as a strategy for gradually disengaging from the world – until the next crisis occurs.

A strategy that deemphasizes American global leadership and promotes cooperation will weaken the ability of the United States to foster global stability. Strictly speaking, this describes the state of American policy today.

The inherent trap with all grand strategies lies in how effectively it is implemented. Policymakers simply cannot pursue any or several principles to the exclusion of the others. To do so will be completely self-defeating.

The only path to success is to implement these principles of grand strategy in a balanced and purposeful fashion. Any other approach will weaken the United States, embolden its adversaries, demoralize friends and allies, and eviscerate the world that America seeks to build.


When we step back from the language and imperatives of grand strategy, the case for the United States to rethink its grand strategy is fundamentally simple. It is designed to meet serious threats while creating and taking advantage of strategic opportunities. To continue on the present course of "drifting" from crisis to crisis effectively invites powers to believe that America is in decline. Worse, Americans, too, might believe wrongly that the nation’s decline is inevitable.

A strategic weakness with American foreign policy is the deep and enduring political polarization in Washington that complicates, and often paralyzes, U.S. policymaking. While the United States once conducted its foreign policy on a bipartisan basis, we now see divisions on virtually all issues. Washington’s failure to move beyond this polarized environment puts at risk its ability to act with one voice on foreign policy. Essentially, it puts at risk the entire enterprise of grand strategy because a deeply divided nation cannot implement its resources and interests effectively.

By definition, American grand strategy demands that policymakers and politicians take the long view. While it is an enduring challenge for policymakers in Washington to look beyond the next election, the nation has no choice. It must build a grand strategy that addresses how the United States deals with the future that extends beyond the coming months or years. Abroad, the nation must work with other states and institutions to shape the secure international order that all states desperately need. The alternative is a world marked by uncertainty, fear, and strife.

Such a strategy must evoke a positive vision of the peace, security, and prosperity to which American policymakers should aspire and the public energetically endorses. It should express, perhaps more than any other idea, the principles that Americans are more likely to embrace, which rest on democratic and shared values that are not unique to the United States.

To be successful, America’s grand strategy should demonstrate a sense of optimism that this state, while working with others, can build a more secure, peaceful, and prosperous world. This optimism is based on the simple, yet powerful, principle that all states need to work together to confront dangers in this world. These dangers call for reinforcing the foundations of American power, strengthening American leadership, and building strong and lasting alliances that can work cooperatively in promoting a better world.

A grand strategy must cultivate the resources, ingenuity, and tools of our irrepressibly innovative and dynamic society. As importantly, it gives policymakers and the public a positive notion of what American foreign policy seeks to accomplish.

It articulates a vision of the world we want to build and the risks we confront, while reassuring the American people that their nation’s foreign policy is organized on the basis of prudent principles. With such principles, the nation can avoid the dual perils of drift and overreach or fixating on tired arguments about the nation’s inevitable decline.

If we are to assure America’s future security and prosperity, we need a new national grand strategy that harnesses America’s spirit, sense of optimism, and perseverance to help the nation meet the challenges and grasp the opportunities of this era.

When we think about the alternatives, the United States simply has no choice.


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Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:29 | 3334185 AGuy
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Consider that America leads the world. If the US does become a Police state a large majority of other nations will follow. Note that the US Led the world into a stock bubble, then a housing bubble. The only option out of this is the Divided states of America. Centralization removes freedoms and liberty. Only decentralization can return them.



Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:07 | 3334404 Bananamerican
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"harnesses America’s spirit, sense of optimism, and perseverance to help the nation meet the challenges and grasp the opportunities of this era...."


blah blah blah blah fucking blah....

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:43 | 3334472 nightshiftsucks
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And I thought i was the only one.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:16 | 3334674 TwoShortPlanks
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"There's still time; are there any ship builders here?" is a completely meaningless concept when you're here......

PS. this statement, "It is imperative for the United States to articulate principles to guide its foreign policy", should read more like this, "It is imperative for the United States to articulate principles of guided munitions as a grand strategy of foreign policy"....that's the only business case America has left.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 06:45 | 3334806 negative rates
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There are too many musts in this article that inevitably lead to all out war. Around here, if you must too much, you don't make to many birthdays.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:00 | 3334889 GetZeeGold
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How I pine for the malaise daze of Jimmy Carter....alas Jimmy we hardly knew ye. Probably because this didn't become public knowledge.

Where did this Bronco Bama guy come from again?

Does this sound familer? "With this man Jimmy Carter I don't know whether the country is having a presidential election or a religious revival."

Repeat after me.....yes we can....again.


Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:18 | 3334923 negative rates
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He was a nuclear engineer who could make gasoline from his peanut farm. Which begs the question once again, are yeast smarter than humans? Answer is, a resounding yes!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:36 | 3334942 GetZeeGold
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To bad the press never told us about the peanut farmer's ties the CFR.


Didn't Timmy Geithner just go to work for them? He wanted a gig with the BIS....but turned out he sucks at math.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 17:50 | 3335121 Muppet Pimp
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Regarding the infrastructure falling apart in the NE, that will not be fixed until the unions and their crony politician friends are busted up.  In that part of the world there is no such thing as on time and under budget.  That is by design.  Bust up the unions before we spend any money trying to repair their infrastructure.  Reference the big dig for an example of what these goons are capable of.  The highest cost overruns of any job, any where, ever.  And the workmanship so shoddy that motorists were killed when the ceiling began collapsing less than a decade out. 

A good option for NE infrastructure improvements might be to contract with Chinese companies that provide the workers.  There are plenty of chinese co's that do this, they build stuff all over the world and supply the labor.  Trying to do any major infrastructure improvements up their under the current system is the equivelant to just setting cash on fire. Maybe the liberals are right for the NE, it is easiest and cheapest to just provide these guys their welfare and foodstamps and be done with it.  The cost to pay unemployment to the union goons while having the chinese come in and do the actual work is probably 20-50% cheaper doing anything under the current system.  The difference is the chinese want a days work for a days pay, the NE unions primary interest is in extortion, something for nothing, and 2 days worth of work for a weeks pay.  Something has got to give.

The infrastructure work could be estimated two ways:

1) Using union labor and include estimated cost overruns, frivelous lawsuits and all the other garbage they blow the taxpayers money on up there

2) With an additional line items to pay unemployment for the union goons and maybe some security to keep them away from the jobsite where people are actually working and then bid it out using international or southern US labor including expenses to build or lease temporary housing. 

(#2 method will be far cheaper & better product)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3335472 negative rates
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I know about that BIS thingy. Between the math and the time police, it's situation normal, all messed up.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:40 | 3334950 NotApplicable
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It's hard to imagine the level of self delusion required to write all of this statist garbage. The truly sad thing? It's an attempt to help. Childhood is obviously no longer connected to age, as childish beliefs are held by all ages.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:56 | 3334957 CH1
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If I could save the US government, I wouldn't. It is a beast that enslaves humans.

All the other guvs are beasts, too - we're just talking about the biggest one today.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:44 | 3335348 thewhitelion
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So many words, and so little worth saying.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:50 | 3334480 Rogue Trooper
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Submitted by William C. Martel of The Diplomat,

... it's not a slow news day so is this a 'humorous' interlude from a Tyler to keep us amused with neo-con sarcasm/crapisim/moronism while we wait for the Jamie Dimon execution 'live' on C-SPAN?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:23 | 3334927 TooBearish
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ya Tyler Pllllllease stop the neo con propaganda....reading this, its like waterboarding

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 06:30 | 3334799 StychoKiller
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Only one question springs to mind:  WHO's gonna pay for all this?!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:39 | 3334944 GetZeeGold
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Someone's grandkids that you'll never have to meet.


Pillage with a clear conscience.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:53 | 3334554 prains
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Pleeeeease Tyler be there NO part 4 (ever)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:35 | 3335009 GetZeeGold
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Ohh....there's MOAR!

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:33 | 3334195 francis_sawyer
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 "If we are to assure America’s future security and prosperity, we need a new national grand strategy that harnesses America’s spirit"


A 'VIRUS', in the end... must CONSUME the host...

That's the END ~ whether you like it or not...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:09 | 3335083 Kayman
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"harnesses America’s spirit"

Didn't the Washington/New York criminals "harness" the American Middle Class into building the nations infastructure ? Unfortunately for the criminals, today the middle class has no income to feed any more "harnessing".

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:36 | 3334200 lolmao500
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Grand strategy : put fingers in ears and sing LA LA LA LA LA EVERYTHING IS FINE!! LA LA LA LA LA!!

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:38 | 3334203 ZerOhead
Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:05 | 3334703 e-recep
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actually china has been a defensive nation throughout the history. not an offensive one. the real offenders are lying again, as usual.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:50 | 3334963 CH1
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china has been a defensive nation throughout the history


All state are offensive against their own populace. "Obey us or be caged/killed."

ALL states are immoral beasts.

No exceptions. Ever.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:16 | 3334993 e-recep
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in an anarchic milieu you would see who the real beast is. besides, nations with governments exist because they have overwhelming advantages over ungoverned ones. evolution 101.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:56 | 3335055 Mr. Magniloquent
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Guns, communications technology, and industrialization have changed that. When factoring one's life as an expense that could be paid, production is far less expensive and more benefitial than plunder today. The State is outmoded.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:45 | 3334219 disabledvet
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wow...and there i was thinking the only thing America was lacking was an updated "cool national anthem." Here's my vote for that... since we're moving into the realm of philosophy now's my vote for that one:

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:12 | 3334504 Rogue Trooper
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Awesome!...  speaking of Rush (much material!)

This one seems appropriate?

Or perhaps this?

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:48 | 3334226 A Lunatic
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I long for the day when Iceland Liberates the oppressed American people..........

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:28 | 3334519 Rogue Trooper
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Who knows they certainly have a stronger balance sheet.

Perhaps they could bring Bob Geldof out from retirement and hold a "Live Aid" concert in Iceland.... it all helps.

"Feed the Amerikan's....... let them know it's Christmas time..."

You all remember the lyrics :P

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:55 | 3334248 gwiss
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Blah de same blah de blah blah same bah.  Good lord.  Couldn't even make it through that whole thing.  What kind of reality do these people live in, anyway?  All I hear is "we must intervene in all things.  Why?  Because we're America, that's why."

These folks are going to continue scratching their asses and attending their same meetings and proposing their same bullshit while the country disintegrates around them.  They are the old generation, who doesn't see reality clearly any more.

I was watching some male ducks chase each other around the pond the other day, and thinking about how nature has a good plan to keep homosexuality to a minimum.  Now, I have no problem with homosexuality -- shoot, I think they're witty and fun to be around, but a tad shallow because they have no real sense of why the future generation might be important.  But, as far as nature is concerned, homosexuality is a problem, because without future generations, the whole cycle of life comes crashing down.  So, nature lets them freely pair up with each other, and thus they are like matter/antimatter -- they annhilate each other's genes.  The end.

And I realized that homosesxuality is a trait that cannot exist in isolation.  It can only exist as a parasite gene, playing around the edges of an otherwise functionally reproducing pool.

And then I realized that interventionism is just like homosexuality.  It cannot function on its own. It can only exist as a parasite, tiptoeing around the edges of an otherwise functional capitalist system.  If it begins to represent too large a proportion of the economy, the economy collapses.

That's how Atlas Shrugged works.  The solution of Atlas Shrugged is to say "Fine, I have no issue with Interventionism.  You guys go ahead and be Interventionist together."  The result, of course, is that the system is very quickly incapable of perpetuating itself.  So, thankfully, we won't have to listen to this kind of blather for that much longer.


Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:02 | 3334268 francis_sawyer
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If, as we speak, EVERY SINGLE American citizen were a 'HOMOSEXUAL'... This country would probably have about the same 'LONG TERM' survival rate as it does now...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:46 | 3334356 Broomer
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Discarding the possibility of convergent evolution for homosexuality, we can assume that it is at least as old as the latter common ancestor between birds and mammals. From Wikipedia:

"Mammals are the only living synapsids. The synapsid lineage became distinct from the sauropsid lineage in the late Carboniferous period, between 320 and 315 million years ago. The sauropsids are today's reptiles and birds along with all the extinct animals more closely related to them than to mammals."

I'm guessing that the parasites will be with us for quite a long time.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:01 | 3334900 TPTB_r_TBTF
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so the amniotes were homos? 

who woulda thunk that.


Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:29 | 3334440 Seer
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"I was watching some male ducks chase each other around the pond the other day, and thinking about how nature has a good plan to keep homosexuality to a minimum."

Are these YOUR ducks?  How do you know if they're male?

I have some ducks, and only someone who knows this breed could identify males from females (though there's a bit of difference in size).

My ducks ALL run around.  The males don't run around after each other.

I guess I'm not getting what you're getting at, unless you're trying to push some religious PLAN thing past us.

To those that think that folks DECIDE to be homosexual I have one question: at what point did YOU DECIDE to be HETEROSEXUAL?

Based on the FACT that the world's population will collapse due to extremely high populations I cannot agree that homosexuality is in any way a problem.  And, really, what the hell about hermaphrodites (that's a pretty sick "plan" don't ya think?)?

You're trying to smuggle in your homophobia with economics, pretty cute.  BUT... don't ya think that perpetual growth on a finite planet is a BAD "plan?"  Interventionists might be looking to take over the planet, but never have I heard any such plot by homosexuals.

Good fucking god... ducks, homosexuals and Ayn Rand.  As a good friend of mine says: People are funny.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:33 | 3334601 gwiss
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Decent size chip on your shoulder, buddy.


Male and female ducks are usually different colors, with the male the more colorful of the two.  Sorry, never even occured to me that to the nature illiterate that wouldn't make sense.


Homosexuality is genetic.  Thus the crime is to pretend that you are something you are not, and the sick society is the one that pretends that it is a choice.  So let's not cheapen the whole thing by making them out to be planet saving philanthropists, ok?  They are people who finally have risen above what society told them to do to walk their own path.  That's why I like them.


Not sure why you are having a hard time getting the point.  It's about the mechanics, not about saying the word homosexual out loud, which to some people violates their sense of PC.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 20:56 | 3336763 Seer
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I have a chip on my shoulder over ignorance and poor logic.

"Male and female ducks are usually different colors, with the male the more colorful of the two. "

I specifically stated that it matters based on breed.  I have Indian Runner ducks, sexing by color doesn't work: a curled tail feather and vocalizations are the only way to determine [the curled feather, however, goes away after a couple of years, you you're down to only vocalization for really identifying them w/o actually picking them up and checking]).

Sorry, tossing ducks, homosexuality and Ayn Rand into one hopper just is one big pile of goo, bound to go wrong.

And no, I have no issue with homosexuality, I don't believe that homosexuals can save the planet.  I was only offering a rebuttal to those who believe that it's some sort of downfall of humankind (it is, as you correctly note, genetic [in much the same way that hermaphroditism is, which is why I mentioned it]).

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 00:46 | 3337261 gwiss
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hmmm... ignorance and poor logic....


So you mention your specific breed of duck, which unlike most ducks are hard to differentiate.  But I didn't say I was looking at Indian Runners, now did I?  So what type of duck did I say I was looking at? Oh that's right --  I didn't.  Yet instead of presuming that I could be looking at something common, like Mallards that are easy to differentiate, you instead chose to go off on a tangent about some obscure duck breed which has nothing to do with the point.  At least, it had nothing to do with my point.  The tangent, however, did advance your point, which was to happen across a post that mentioned the word homosexual, and instead of trying to understand what I was saying, you promptly climbed up on your soapbox because, how's this logic go again?  Indian Runner ducks can't be differentiated, therefore I must be making it up?  Isn't that essentially the logic of why you brought up your ducks?  Otherwise, what does the fact that your ducks are hard to differentiate have to do with my post?

I only mentioned the ducks I saw because that's when the thought struck me, because the males were chasing each other around like they were arguing over territory, and I had been reading about how homosexuality shows up in animals quite frequently, even in ducks, who will bond for life with same sex pairs, and was wondering what that behavior would look like in ducks.  And it was then that the thought struck me that homosexuality for creatures who reproduce sexually is a dead end.  This is in no way a criticism of homosexuality.  It only seems like a criticism to those who are so politically correct that they feel they have to protect the pretense that homosexuality is a completely viable alternative lifestye, completely oblivious to the fact that as soon as homosexuality is no longer repressed, it breeds itself out of existence.  Which is why it is just like interventionism, which only works as long as it is repressed or resisted.  As soon as it is allowed free reign, it breeds itself out of existence. 

Now, I can see how this could be "insulting" to homosexuals, but only to homosexuals who are immersed in their own religion, which is the religion of the Progressives.  The Right believes that their God has told them that homosexuality cannot be tolerated, and won't listen to logic.  Similarly, the Progressives believe that any chosen lifestyle can be functional because they are under the sway of the religion of Cultural Relativism, and to them, suggesting that homosexuality is genetic actually somehow undermines the legitimacy of their belief, which is that we can all choose to define our existence in any way we want and have these imagined worlds be just as functional and legitimate as any other.  To them, homosexuality being genetic seems equivalent to saying it is inferior, because if it is a genetic anomoly then it just becomes an aberrancy, which undercuts their argument that they can choose to be whoever they want.

It's difficult sometimes to walk the logical line between the two parties, because either side can end up taking potshots at you, as your post demonstrates.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:06 | 3334907 TPTB_r_TBTF
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at what point did YOU DECIDE to be HETEROSEXUAL?


I remember that moment well.  It was the 1st day of school, in the 1st grade, immediately following a quick glance in Angela's direction.


Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:03 | 3336790 Seer
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Angela Merkel?

No, one's brain didn't ponder it*, it was reflexive.  It's not like you went, "hm, do I like That or do I like boys?" (bisexuals are more of a mystery, more along the "choice" category, but this is too confusing for the homophobic types to deal with so they go straight for "homos")

* Other than perhaps concerns over any negative consequences of one's urges (getting caught or whatever).

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:08 | 3336798 WmMcK
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"I was watching some male ducks ..."

They now prefer to be called "drakes", you know.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:42 | 3334261 pashley1411
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I despise this article, and its two predecesors.    The song is the same, "Give the center more power".    Power in this country used to be tempered by some notion of the common good.    That was then.

Now our political class is all about chasing unicorns.   Climate control, income leveling, rebuilding global competitiveness, fighting barbarians, changing the conduct of countries on the other side of the world.    The war on communism was bad enough, dragged in every lefty-leaning politician on the planet; now everyone has to be for us or against us, foreign or domestic, and if the wind changes, god help you, ask Mr. Qadaffi.  

Everyone has a cause that they want to spend your last gd devalued nickel on, for your own good.  Its mile-deep in wishful thinking and even deeper in bullshit.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:47 | 3334548 Anusocracy
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World-fixers - fixing the world until it's completely broken.

In case the author of this screed reads the comments, this is for him:

"Whether the mask is labelled Fascism, Democracy, or Dictatorship of the Proletariat, our great adversary remains the Apparatus—the bureaucracy, the police, the military. Not the one facing us across the frontier or the battlelines, which is not so much our enemy as our brother's enemy, but the one that calls itself our protector and makes us its slaves. No matter what the circumstances, the worst betrayal will always be to subordinate ourselves to this Apparatus, and to trample underfoot, in its service, all human values in ourselves and in others."
— Simone Weil, Politics, Spring 1945

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:02 | 3334266 Manthong
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In order to do all that grand vision stuff, wouldn’t it help to have a legitimate commander-in-chief, and constitutionally oriented government, first?

I should think some degree of moral authority would be appropriate.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:49 | 3334361 nmewn
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Moral authority? (we've got bureaucrats to tell us whats moral, righteous & virtuous)...constitutional governance? (we've got people in black robes who have never worked for an honest dollar in their life interpreting law)...commander-in-thief? (he has a kill list handed to him every Tuesday morning).

Demonocracy, lets all enjoy the ride ;-)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:57 | 3335195 Kayman
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 I love how "Moral Hazard" has replaced Criminal Actions. What bullshit we are fed...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:04 | 3334271 Tinky
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Roadmap? Who needs one? I've got GPS.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:12 | 3334286 Room 101
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Darn!  I misssed being the first to give this less than a piece of shit a 1 vote. 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:15 | 3334295 Atomizer
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Even Grandpa Buffet is getting the willies. While reading the Pet Goat to me last night, a tear ran down his cheek. I asked, why are you crying Grandpa? He said, he worries for my future generation.


You Are A Slave

Slave to the System

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:27 | 3334315 Bicycle Repairman
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"Currently, annual expenditures for Social Security and Medicare exceed $1 trillion. Ominously, there are 4.6 persons for every retiree, while within 25 years, this ratio could drop to 2.7. The system, which as currently structured is not sustainable, requires immediate attention from policymakers if future generations are to be productive knowing that they will share in the benefits from economic prosperity."

A little tinkering with the retirement age would fix SSI immediately and permanently.  Medicare can't be fixed without a real overhaul of the healthcare system.  But that is not what this guy is after.  He wants that 15% of your wages for the MIC.  700+ bases and $trillions in foreign aid are not enough for this guy.

Also no mention of the growing police state at home.  Who would be enthusiastic about spreading that around the world?

I gave this article a score of '1'.  I'd have given it a score of  '-1000000000', if possible.  These three articles have been among the most repugnant ever posted on ZH.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:36 | 3334458 Seer
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"A little tinkering with the retirement age would fix SSI immediately and permanently. "

Permanently?  With massive debt, changing demographics and collapsing economies?

No, and this is EXACTLY why we're having problems with any "solution"- it's because we think that there is such a thing as "permanence" (other than in death).

The bottom of the boat is GONE.  Bailing is meaningless.  The ONLY reason why we haven't sunk to the very bottom is because we're high-speeding it on top of a bunch of other hulless boats.  The water is deep and the other boats are losing speed...  No, we're NOT "special."

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 06:34 | 3334801 Bicycle Repairman
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If you feel that way then perhaps you'd like to address the "grand strategy"?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:22 | 3334926 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Back to Nature.  Start over.  Reconsider what we teach our children.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:03 | 3335215 Kayman
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If you take financialization out, human beings will survive nicely. Malthus was wrong. The Rate of population growth is declining and population will peak and then start declining too.

And in any event, even if Malthus was right, starvation will always limit population. I take it you have a garden.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:25 | 3336839 Seer
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"If you take financialization out, human beings will survive nicely. Malthus was wrong."

You can make that statement but there is no concrete reasoning behind it.

"Financialization" is (supposed to be) about accounting for resources.  In theory I see no problem with this.  No matter, however, whether it works well or not, there are still limits to resources and the number of people that they can sustain.

The basic gist of Malthus was that there are limits to human population sizes.  That's pretty much it.  We live on a sphere, and spheres ARE finite (measurable).  The logic is 100% sound.  And what once was a localized issue of overshoot has become more global in nature now that our trade has gone totally global: we have agricultural countries exporting non-native foodstuffs to other countries while importing yet other foodstuffs (or being forced to buy their non-native foodstuffs)- and then there's the Green Revolution, it's one big cocktail for disaster.  No, Malthus was 100% right.

"And in any event, even if Malthus was right, starvation will always limit population."

That's pretty much what he was implying!  That there are limits to population sizes.  Our mantra of "growth" tends to discount this, and This is very dangerous.

I hope that you're not doing what others do and associate this as some master plan of killing off the majority of us.  And even IF Malthus was "in on it" that still doesn't invalidate the logic.

"I take it you have a garden."

As much as can be had during a waning winter: garlic planted.  Compost ready to be applied.  Seeds on the ready.  Just planted a couple of semi-dwarf cherry trees today.  Wife got to chase around some of our escaped ducks.  Chickens (as well as the ducks) have picked up the laying pace (were having problems with meeting demand).  Not a day goes by I don't give thanks... only hope is that I can keep going and help feed as many people as I can...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 06:37 | 3334804 StychoKiller
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It's advisable to know what the opposition is thinking...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:28 | 3336844 Seer
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Not sure that one can truly "know" what's in the mind of others.  I'd say that it's better to be doing what one knows to be right, focus on one's own thinking, than to spend too much energy on what others "think."  Just my two cents...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:26 | 3334319 michigan independant
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And then what since, they have all ben recently dismissed who asked this very question. This time you assholes up front and center to volunteer. In Iraq 200000 iraq troops got the boot since the computer said we can do it all since the computer said it would. Guess who runs the show now. The same asshole that fired 200,000 trained troops in Iraq who hated Hussein and had to watch there own country decimated by us, and the so called goat farmers. Face it your to arrogant to say you fucked up and still are. The first time all of them pointed to Bagdad and we got turned away from assholes like you . Second time we went all there arms were crossed in contempt. You people are assholes.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:37 | 3334461 Seer
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What the FUCK are you talking about?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:25 | 3334931 TPTB_r_TBTF
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i read his post twice.  i think he called you an asshole.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:30 | 3336853 Seer
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Thanks for the interp.  It's a dialect that I'm not familiar with.

Anyway, I'm flattered!


Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:34 | 3334335 Sean7k
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Every house the Rothschilds builds, with the exception of their inbred one, is a house of cards. Ready to be blown over when convenient. Articles like this are curious, they are meant for the mainstream, but the mainstream is so dumbed down, they could never get through it.

Here, it will be maligned and cursed, as it should be, Take your Elite MSM crap and suffocate on the pages.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:41 | 3334349 tony bonn
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thank you for this malodorous triple helping of goat shit.....i would rather snort a bottle of vomit than read any of this drivel...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:39 | 3334464 Seer
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Don't demean goat shit!  I recently picked up a couple of truck loads for compost!

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:59 | 3334382 Broomer
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"Average: 1.4 (9 votes)"
Who did vote five for this thing?

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:02 | 3334393 Bicycle Repairman
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The author's mommy.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:40 | 3334467 Seer
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Obviously it was someone who took a really WRONG turn (on the Internet).

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:05 | 3334400 Radical Marijuana
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Like most of the other comments, above, I could not bother reading the whole thing.

The international banksters HAVE a "grand strategy:" destroy America, to prepare the way for their complete global triumph of being able to continue  to make money out of nothing, in ways that nobody else can oppose.

The only saner "grand strategy" is practically impossible, since the sheeple that are being set up to be slaughtered would have to be able to stop that from happening.

In THEORY, everything that has been set up to operate a runaway police state could be retooled to become creative ways we integrated creative alternatives. However, since the vast majority of people are already Zombie Sheeple, that seems to be nothing but my vainglorious political fantasies.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:04 | 3334483 Seer
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I think that I only read the tease paragraph (and then opted to not go farther).  Figured I'd go right to the comments to make sure that people were doing the right thing: utterly trashing it!

I don't believe, RM, that we could assume any saner position because that would require some sort of means of regulating population sizes.  (NOTE: for all those ready to pounce on me for wanting population control- I am NOT advocating any such thing, nor have I ever, as I hardly ever offer up anything as any sort of "solution" [because most don't even know what the fucking problems are]).  I won't dismiss your assessment that there's a grand strategy, but I don't believe that it's the only possible driving force.  Instead, I tend to believe that it's mostly about self-reinforcing bad behavior/deception, that fundamental human traits such as greed and compassion are the drivers: greed part is obvious; compassion, on the other hand, is really about attempting to do good by really ending up making things worse.

The "runaway" part is coded in via the "perpetual growth on a finite planet" directive.  Doesn't matter how good a society could be, as long as they're operating on this premise it is a certainty that more and more controls start slipping in (Huxley noted this quite well in his bathroom metaphor).

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:55 | 3334487 Manipuflation
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"I could not bother reading the whole thing."

Getting to be more and more articles like this on ZH and some censorship to boot of late aren't there?

WTF is this WB7 visual assault on the left ad banner? with a tagline "Date older women!"?  Holy fuck.  I clear my browser often.(and am going to clear it again after this post)  If the Tylers are going to generate click revenue on shit like that than that might be the sign.  Horrible.  No thanks.  Good god.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:33 | 3334938 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The Tylers canT help that.  You need to clear your cookies after you visit those old-women, alternative porn sites.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:12 | 3335089 Atomizer
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+100. LOL.

Could of been worst, gay midgets seeking horse sex beastitity ads

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:23 | 3334431 IridiumRebel
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This shit again? War. That's the "roadmap".

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:39 | 3334465 Manipuflation
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IR, I hear you loud an clear.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:54 | 3334485 Seer
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Sadly, yes.  All wars are about resources.  As much as we try and paint over this it's the fundamental driver...  We're running out of resources to keep the Ponzi going.  Reality dead ahead.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:45 | 3334474 akak
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I never thought I would ever say this ....

... but after reading the above article, I miss Leo.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:56 | 3334488 Seer
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Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:02 | 3334492 Seer
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Since I only read the first paragraph I can only really comment on That part.  So...

"In reality, decline is not a foregone conclusion but a deliberate political choice that builds from a failure to define what matters most to the nation."

BS!  ALL EMPIRES END.  Reason?  Because they fail to keep expanding.  Reason?  Cannot have perpetual growth on a finite planet.  This FUNDAMENTAL FACT trashes your premise.

Clearly, people get paid to write propaganda.  There's little money in logic...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:32 | 3334518 sitenine
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"MOVING FORWARD"   Are you fucking serious?

So... Sputnik moment then? /sarc ...I want my 10 minutes back.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:29 | 3334594 q99x2
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The first step to Implementation at Home is to take the banking system from the Federal Reserve and return it to the Bank of the United States of America. The power must be returned to the nation from the globalists. Same as it ever was--restore the constitution, bill of rights and monetary system. If you don't take the power of the nation back from the central bankers you are drunk staggering around wondering why your foot is getting wet as you piss in the wind.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:24 | 3334687 ebworthen
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You have good itentions, and are thinking positively, but America is becoming one of those authoritarin powers you speak of.

The most likely course is increasing fascism at home, restrictions, controls; and we may get the roads and bridges and other infrastructure improvements we need but only due to a world war.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:29 | 3334690 bunnyswanson
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Musing - a video for the victorious.  Local level, anti-agenda 21 movement is taking place.  This has to be at the local level, go to COC meetings, join the discussion.  Believe me, the people who are behind globalization, can't take a face-to-face meeting with Americans...they just fold.

Agenda 21, Rosa Koire - google it, she is working tiredlessly trying to stop it.  Join her.  She has retired and is dedicated ~her life~ to this.


Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:37 | 3336876 Seer
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Any OWG is dead in the water.  This should be more than obvious given the events unfolding in Europe.

There is WAY too much overhead in trying to administer any OWG, not to mention coordinate it all across such diverse cultures on the planet.

Having said this, this doesn't mean that I don't believe people are trying to push it.  For me I just see any counter energy being better applied to being independent/non-reliant upon these globalist structures.  Create the world you want: fighting against what you don't want leaves you with no time or energy to make the one you do want.

Best wishes for success to those with warm hearts...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 05:45 | 3334778 grid-b-gone
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For 230 years we had a plan. Anymore, we just have a scheme.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:41 | 3336894 Seer
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Amazing that it was all working up until Obama was elected (1776 + 230 = 2006).  I smell a Party Pussy...

The "plan" was just as much as it ever was- consume and expand, only it had a smiley all over it (we pretended that the "average" person mattered, when in fact it was still about what it was always about- ensuing a structure that allowed a handful of wealthy, white men to control things) and there were plenty of scraps from the spoils of war to toss at all the little people (WAY more than were tossed in the old countries).

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:12 | 3334916 orez65
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The only worthwhile part of this posting are the advertising for women.

The only comforting part is that the inbreds running this country are incompetents that will self destruct.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:48 | 3336917 Seer
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Right and wrong...

Right in that things will "self destruct"- BAD SYSTEMS FAIL.

Wrong in that they're somehow incompetent.  The ONLY thing they are incompetent about is in generating sufficient resources to keep us all quiet: and Mother Nature, as keeper of these treasures, is locking down.  I'd think it in people's interest to not see these folks as incompetent as that would suggest that others are even worse, as there is a clear inability to remove/replace the incompetents.  You see, "their" system is quite brilliant, "they" have tuned it to keep themselves in power.  Calling them names and such is next to childish behavior.  If you don't understand your opponent, if you underestimate your opponent, you're quite certain to lose...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:40 | 3334949 blindman
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Thomas Drake, a former senior executive at the National Security Agency (NSA) who was charged under the espionage act after he highlighted waste, fraud and illegal activity at the intelligence agency, spoke at a National Press ..
Chill With Dave

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:28 | 3335003 adr
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Hey, North Korea is fine. Dennis Rodman said so. I think he came back and gave Obama pointers on what we could do to improve our country.


Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:34 | 3335146 Monedas
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Did he get laid ?  He would have to go back to a Capitalist country to get laid and get a good Porterhouse steak !

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:41 | 3335023 Brit_Abroad
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And there was me thinking they had cancelled the last (hopefully) episode.

But no, it wasn't to be.

Drivel, pure reality denying drivel, from beginning to end.

Let's face it, America is toast. They are the proverbial dead man standing. The only question which remains to be answered is, how many of us do they take with them ?

I kind of feel sorry for all those people who think they can somehow turn it around. Misguided ? Deluded ?

Who knows.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:22 | 3335095 Monedas
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"Reports of my demise .... were slightly exagerated !" .... Mark Twain !    British socialists have been warning of an American collapse for well over 200 years !  In the last thirty years or so .... we have assimilated a population of refugees equal to the population of Britain .... what socialist workers paradise can match us ?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:42 | 3335027 world_debt_slave
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The Fed gov is a corrupt, bully of the world. It goes after weak nations for it's resources and turns a blind eye to it's so-called concern for human rights by not going after nations like China and North Korea for it's slavery and cruelty to it's citizens.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:52 | 3336926 Seer
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It's not the job of governments to project morality.

US uses "human rights" issues to engage in exploitation and or war.

No, I do not support "human rights abuses," but I'm a realist who understands that governments cannot really give humans rights... (without signing a contract that then means the govt can take away those rights)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:18 | 3335082 Monedas
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Long manifesto documents are generally written by socialists trying to defend the superiority of central planning .... freedom doesn't need a convoluted explanation .... living under each system seems to alway convert people to freedom ?  Refugees from North Korea would beat socialist apologists to death with their rice hoes !

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:56 | 3336934 Seer
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I'm sure that you would have been loads of fun back in the days of J Edgar Hoover, but your constant itch to find socialists under ever rock starts to get a bit old...

Sometimes longer explanations are required.  Yeah, it sucks if you end up wasting time reading a long piece of shit, but that's not the writers fault (no one forced you to read it- in this case I didn't even bother [yeah, I think I'm smarter than that]).  Easier to lash out at others than to accept responsibility...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:24 | 3335122 rtalcott
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(Otto von) Bismarck  Bitchez

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:38 | 3335152 Monedas
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German soldiers were fed a large greasy meal for dinner .... Bismarck knew that soldiers who slept well and had a good bowel movement in the morning .... fought better !

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:55 | 3335191 Monedas
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In a libertarian world there would be no pornographic public education which is essentially child abuse .... parents could choose from the best on line courses and professors .... and have a right to decide what kind of education their children received .... even a libertarian education ?  The world socialists must complete their take over before the cat is out of the bag !

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 21:58 | 3336939 Seer
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Great!  Let's all sign up for one big solution!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:20 | 3335262 Stuck on Zero
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Tell me the truth. Did Dick Cheney write this?  More intervention, more alliances, more government.


Sat, 03/16/2013 - 17:44 | 3336206 Creepy Lurker
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Exactly! About the second paragraph I went back to the beginning to see if this article was published by PNAC.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:41 | 3335335 Quinvarius
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Since we have been doing this for 40 years, I doubt more of it is going to work.  Basicly, STFU.  We need less people who think there is some kind of grand government plan that is going to do anything but make things worse.  We need less collectivism.  We need another 1776.  And due to assaults on the Constitution and well as government support of banking crimes, Americans are morally and legally fully justified in doing whatever it takes to fix this mess.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 22:02 | 3336948 Seer
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"We need another 1776. "  And then Manifest Destiny... poor natives are going to get hacked again...

1776 was also about lopping off the British from having control over resources in the "new world."  The next revolution is going to do what?  Anyone stating that we're going to get back from the banksters or whomever best be prepared for the slippery slope, as this is wealth confiscation.  Just saying...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:08 | 3335554 rsnoble
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I still think all these issues and ideas are getting way too far ahead based on the fact of exactly who is running the gov't and who is behind 9-11.  Some are getting tired of hearing about 9-11 im going to pound the issue everyday.  How can anyone possible, even remotely, plan for the future when we have a gov't behind such acts?  Everything you do is for nothing in my mind until that issue is resolved and the poeple behind it are hanging from trees.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 22:07 | 3336958 Seer
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Problem is, most of US society is so steeped on the very thing that allowed 9/11 that to uncover it completely would mean a kind of self-indictment and result in social collapse (the really violent ones won't accept it, they'll blame failures on hippies/commies/left/right/hobgoblins).

Sad as it may sound, the BEST that we could do is to just walk away from it all and let what will be be (let the bastards live without their system).

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:01 | 3335719 daedon
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"America" must do this, "America" must do that, what if it is "America" having things "done  to it" ?  What if,  all these decisions we are attributing to "America" are actually being taken, not by a democratically elected government, but by a ruling class that keeps conveniently and quietly out of the public eye ? What if all these decisions we consider detrimental to "America" are actually just fine for this ruling class ?  

What if, hypothetically, America is just a Slave colony and its population doesn't even realize it ?  After all, isn't Slavery the process of securing the cheapest possible labor?  Traditionally, there were costs associated to owning Slaves: thay had to be hunted down, captured, bound with iron chains, they had to be nourished, given a place to sleep and it was often necessary to pay guards to police them.  Moreover, the fact that these Slaves knew what they were created an additional problem, the likelihood of a Revolt, which more often than not had unfortunate consequences for the Masters. 

Today, by working for Dollars, Americans effectively trade their "Hours of Labor" for Dollars. Hence the Dollars equates to Labor and the Dollar can be viewed as a store of Labor.  If you can lure a human being into Perpetual Debt, a lifetime of Debt, you have effectively secured their Dollars, which equates to their Labor, for the remainder of their life. Iron Chains are replaced by Debt, less all the other undesirable attributes of traditional Slavery.  This alternate form of Slavery is as ingenious as it is insidious, because the slaves are oblivious to their predicament. In fact they don't even need to be captured, these Slaves willingly submit themselves to a life of servitude, all on their own.  

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 22:20 | 3337007 Seer
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And what it you find/discover that you're begging to get back (control of) a Ponzi?

What if it's all only a natural consequence of a long traveled road of perpetual growth?

The basis of debt has meaning.  I don't think that it is necessarily bad, nor that one should not commit to repaying one's debts.  The problem has been that "Americans' became addicted and have essentially plied its government to keep the crack bar open even though it has had to kill and steal in order to do so.

The system is working as designed.  What's not working is Mother Nature, Mother Nature didn't read the contract that says "she" is supposed to supply unlimited resources (such as existed back in the good old days of the old "true" patriots [with many thanks to the natives for "willingly" giving up any claims]).  I contend that if the system were working without meddlings (which would pretty much mean that humans couldn't be involved in the decision-making because of, well because of human nature being what it is) that we'd be lucky to be operating with anything more than about 20% of what we're currently operating with.

I refuse to play victim.  And I also refuse to pretend that I didn't partake in the party: I have a conscience, and it tells me that the only real way I can assuage my conscience is to produce food- I suppose that's my "repentance," though I don't partake in any religion.

When things get tough/tight it's time to get back to basics.  And I think that we'll be doing so for a VERY LONG TIME from here on out- no "taking back this or that" is going to mean squat when the REAL issue is how we view our place on the planet.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:00 | 3335788 spooz
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This reads like a saber rattling plea to increase the US military budget, or at least make sure austerity is confined to the sheeple. Fuck the military industial complex and its propaganda.  First it feeds you a few paragraphs about how we can have this shining future and in the next breath it implies that feeding the military industrial complex must be part of the equation.

Too much to respond to, so I'll pick out one bit.  The author's use of the term "authoritarian axis" seems like a nice little sound bite for the MIC propagandists.  Brings back memories of fearmongers talking about weapons of mass destruction in the Axis of Evil. It just got a little update, huh? Here is somebody else's opinion:

"The so-called “axis” states aren’t pursuing a common grand strategy, and they aren’t “on the offensive.” On the whole, the foreign policy of most of these states tends to be reactive, defensive, and preoccupied with what they see as external threats to regime stability and their respective security interests. The “authoritarian axis” is a fantasy, and to the extent that anyone in Western governments takes the fantasy seriously it is a dangerous one."

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 17:59 | 3336246 Creepy Lurker
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The biggest "Authoritarian" on the planet is the US Government.

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