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An Orwellian America

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Via Gordon T Long (pdf)
 
An Orwellian America

As a young man, I voraciously read George Orwell’s “1984”,  Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” and Alvin Toffler's trilogy which included "Future Shock"', "The Third Wave" and "Power Shift". During the era of the Vietnam War, I wondered seriously about the future and how it was destined to unfold. Now being considerably older, I have the vantage point to reflect back on my early ruminations and expectations. Unfortunately, I am too old to alter the lessons that are now so painfully obvious. Instead, I pass the gauntlet to those who can understand and take action on what I have unavoidably come to expect for America.

A FRAMEWORK OF UNDERSTANDING

THE 'HUXLEY-ORWELL' TRANSITION

I recently read a perceptive paper by Chris Hedges that would have made any English Professor envious, powerfully philosophical but not something an Economics department would pay much attention to. I found it both intriguing and enlightening.

I have borrowed so heavily from it, that I am unsure where the lines diverge. Therefore, below I give full credit to Chris Hedges and take full credit for all the bad ideas.

Chris Hedges of TruthDig.com wrote 2011: A Brave New Dystopia, from which the following evolved.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

 

We have been gradually disempowered by a corporate state that, as Huxley foresaw, seduced and manipulated us through:

•    Sensual gratification,
•    Cheap mass-produced goods,
•    Boundless credit,
•    Political theater and
•    Amusement.

While we were entertained,

•    The regulations that once kept predatory corporate power in check were dismantled,
•    The laws that once protected us were rewritten and
•    We were impoverished.

Now that:

•    Credit is drying up,
•    Good jobs for the working class are gone forever and
•    Mass-produced goods are unaffordable,

            .... we find ourselves transported from “Brave New World” to “1984.”

The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

It is time for Big Brother to take over from Huxley’s feelies, the orgy-porgy and the centrifugal bumble-puppy.

We are transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled.

Huxley, we are discovering, was merely the prelude to Orwell.

Now that the corporate coup is over, we stand naked and defenseless. We are beginning to understand, as Karl Marx knew:

Unfettered and unregulated capitalism is a brutal and revolutionary force that exploits human beings and the natural world until exhaustion or collapse.

UNSOUND MONEY LEADS TO STATISM

With this as a backdrop let's explore how Unsound Money in concert with the Huxley-Orwell Transition leads to Statism, the path which I believe we are presently on.

THE CATALYSTS BEHIND THE "TRANSITION"

1- UNSOUND MONEY

•    Removal from Gold Standard and adoption of Fiat Currency regime (in August 1971 during the winding down of the Vietnam War; the first War ever fought without tax increases to pay for it; the beginning of endless 'conflicts' and the War on "Terror").
•    Creation and Fostering of a $67 Trillion Shadow Banking Credit Growth,
•    Massive Securitization & Off Balance Sheet Contingent Liability Debt Growth.

2- POLICY FAILURES

•    Failed Monetary Policy & Monetary Malpractice,
•    Moral Malady,
•    Failed Fiscal Policy,
•    Failed Public Policy,
•    Growth of Political Polarization,
•    Entrenched 'Left-Right' Factions,
•    An Un-Governable Democracy.

3- CRISIS OF TRUST

•    Lost Respect & Confidence
•    A Doomed Middle Class
•    A Broken Social Contract

4- AUTHORITARIAN ACCEPTANCE

•    Central Planning
•    Growth in Regulations & Control
•    Crony Capitalism & Corporatocracy
•    Big Government
•    The Huxley - Orwell Transition

CRUMBLING BARRIERS

•    The Great Huxley-Orwell Transition
•    From Manipulative to Repressive

ROADBLOCKS
•    Financial Security through Sound Money            REMOVED
•    Reduced Personal Freedoms through a Crisis         PENDING
•    Reduced Personal Security through a Constitutional Crisis    FUTURE   

DRIVERS
•    Globalization & Complexity
o    Fragile versus Robust Systems
o    Interconnectivity and Counter Party Dependency

•    The Productivity Paradox
o    Creative Destruction & Job Creation

Let's shift gears and consider what "greases the skids" in enabling this transition in our society to occur.  

COLLECTIVISM

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

The degree of socialism in the United States increased substantially after the establishment of the Federal Reserve System (1913) and the measures taken during the Great Depression (1929-46) which it created. Ever since the early 1900's the United States has had a two-party system dominated by 'socialists'. The Republican Party has always advocated conservative socialism. The Democratic Party, which in the 19th century favored libertarianism, advocates social-democratic socialism. So long as people are divided by Left and Right, Democratic and Republican, the US is prone to being influenced by factions who transcend party politics and from behind the scenes could possible exert strong control over the United States. They could do this by maintaining power over public opinion and hence over the course of government. Steadily, the United States has been travelling down the road to totalitarianism, and many people have not noticed, possibly because they are only looking at the position on the Left-Right paradigm.

Upon further analysis, it is clear that Left, Right and Centre, are all forms of socialism. In particular, we may call them "social-democratic socialism" (the Left) and "conservative socialism" (the Right). They are both socialism because they both share the principle that the government should "run" and "mold" society, by using legal force and intervention to transfer property and personal wealth as part of the political scientists' process of 'redistribution of wealth'.

The differences are only in the particular ways the government should run society - the methods it should use, and who, exactly, should be the recipients of government wealth transfers and who should pay. In particular:
•    Social democrats tend to prefer heavy taxation, large wealth transfers to the poor, and nationalized industries, and oppose price controls, regulations and behavioral controls.
•    Conservatives tend to prefer lower taxation, a smaller welfare state, regulated (cartelized) industries, price controls, product  and behavioral controls.

Nolan Charts: Personal Freedom versus Economic Freedom

The modern Republican Party is Center-Right on the Left-Right paradigm. As with the Democratic Party, this obscures the huge range of views Republicans hold on how powerful and how much control the State should be allowed. Their 2008 presidential nominee John McCain, like Barack Obama, strongly favored socialism, though with a Right-wing flavor. Barack Obama (blue circle) and John McCain (red circle) are positioned in the accompanying graphic. Thus, the two main candidates at the 2008 Presidential election represented a false choice - really no choice at all. One candidate, Ron Paul (yellow circle), stood in stark contrast to the candidates, favored by the mainstream media and political establishment. As would be expected, he was neutralized by the mainstream media outlets as a zealot with an unsound political view of America.

THE POLITICAL CONTINUUM

THE EMERGING ROADMAP TO STATISM

Let me now develop and explore the roadmap that outlines the path leading from Policy Failures and Monetary Malpractice, stemming from Unsound Money, to STATISM.
First we will build the outline for the basis of a roadmap on a number of observable continuums.

The more complex that issues become, the more collectivism will dominate and individual needs will be repressed. In turn governments will be forced to be more repressive to maintain control over increasing polarization and diverse views and opinions.

EVOLVING STAGES
When we arrange our various continuums we arrive at the representative grid model shown below.

We will quickly acknowledge it is not ideal, but it allows many concepts currently at play to be shown in relationship to others.

This grid is best described as the social forces at play within Globalization - Financial, Economic and Political.

DRIVER$ - VISIBLE & INVISIBLE
There are both visible and less visible forces at play that are forcing 'greasing' the skids in the movement towards Statism.

The roadmap integrates well into our roadmap from our THESIS 2011: Beggar-Thy-Neighbor / Currency Wars and 2012 Thesis: Financial Repression papers. ()

ORWELL'S 1984 IS HAPPENING

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

 


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Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:31 | Link to Comment Mr.Sono
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Sweet taste of boots.......nooooooo

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Shocker
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Interesting times for sure

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:06 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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The First American Republic is dead. Efforts to resuscitate will, at this point, only serve to edify the Empire that replaced it. Time to fight for the future, for the coming birth of the Second Republic, not for the past.

"They" (the Powers that Be, the Establishment, the International Banking Cartel, the Monopolists, the Financiers, the Imperialists, the New World Order, the Police State ... call them what you will, these are all overlapping circles) are hellbent on destroying all local political authority and rolling us all into an ever more centalized, ever more federalized, ever more bureacratic world of unelected supra-national political bodies.

Their vision is hellish ... A political, economic, media, environmental (agricultural) monoculture that not only stifles freedom but is full of inefficiencies and illogic so enormous it threatens the world with catastrophe. 

And if they don't get their way peacefully ... They'll either spark World War III, or spark a Civil War in the US ... Collapse the system and consolidate it while it is at a weak point. 

We have to fight for political devolution. Local power. Decentralization. De-federalization. National sovereignty, not supra-national mega-states like the EU. Local heritage, not corporate media "culture". 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:16 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Personally I think a nudge of that red "We Are Here" arrow a tad to the right under the 'O' of 'Orwell' would be in  order...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:15 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The POSITIVE 'FLIPSIDE' of all of this nonsense is... That a 'CONTROLLED SOCIETY' [with the likes of Obama at the wheel], will last all of about 10 minutes...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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As I've been pointing out for so very long, America is suffering from collective insanity:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/Thesis/Intro

As for statism, that will come swiftly and unstoppably:

http://www.secondkoreanwar.com

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html

Then you'll have the pure form of an Orwellian global society....for those who are left.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:58 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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The article is spot on.

How do you then explain and spread the word to the ill-informed? Unless you have a true independent mass media both the war and the battle are lost.

We need to stop phony attacks on political correctness, accusations of racism, anti-Semitism, sexual conduct and other ad hominem which attempt to destroy the messengers instead of debating the issue at hand.

That of course is very difficult, if not impossible, without violence.

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Chartopia. <3

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:39 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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What we need is a fast talking progressive. Sporting the first name Adolf would be a plus.

 

The first thing we need to do is ban guns, otherwise the public just might kill us.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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The source of the coming global Orwellian society is already clear to be seen:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/05/great-transformation-of-wor...

This is the ultimate threat to humanity IMHO....right before our eyes.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Flammonde
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I think the future is a blending of Brave New World and 1984.  1984 was after all simply 1948 England coupled with what Orwell knew about totalitarianism.

It is simply easier to allow repressive tolerance and if that fails the iron fist is used.

The USA police sate apparatus is a mixture of graft and control made possible by the technology of the hour.  It hopes to be a bit like the Chinese Communist Party in power-a hybrid Sate Capitist/Crony Capitalist police state.

It will also need bread and circuses for the masses.  Even China has bread and circuses for the masses, as did the USSR and Eastern Europe. 

Men do not want freedom, they want recreation.

You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power - he's free again.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Borrow Owl
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Unless I'm mistaken, 'Barack' is Kenyan for 'Adolf'.

Coincidence?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:24 | Link to Comment machineh
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We have always been at war with the MSM.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment mind_imminst
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A bigger problem is spreading the word to the well-informed and intelligent. I can't believe how many people I know who seem to be rational in many matters of life and science, yet are huge apologists for tyranny. Maybe secretly, or unconsciously, they are supporters of tyranny because they are (or at least think they are) part of the privileged class, and wil never suffer like the common folk.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment akarc
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It's like the driver that uses a cell phone. Despite the evidenced they are four time more likely to be involved in a crash they operate from the mindset, that happens to other people. It won't happen to me. I am in control.

A friend ran a red light while on a cell phone smashed a truck and fractured vertabrae in his neck. He still uses a cell phone while driving. Because afterall, he will be more vigilant this time and it won't happen to him again.

I don't think the irrationality is limited to apologist for trynanny. 

In a world of two minute sound bytes by experts capitalyzing on confirmation bias everyone now has the opportunity to be an intellectual giant or expert, i.e. someone no longer capable of learning.

YOu hit the nail on the head when you say they support tryanny. As long as it benefits them. Priciples, ethics, tradition, respect are so yesterday and stupid is now epidemic.

 

 

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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Tis a matter of flawed "collective intelligence", and this is the suicidal trait of modern "Western Civilization". 

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-idiocy-of-us-intelligen...

The upset of irrational mass beliefs and expectations will come suddenly and catastrophically.  This is the "Grand Supercycle collapse" the Elliott Wave Principle is projecting:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2013/02/dow-14000-world-war-three.html

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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"There's nothing wrong with a dictatorship as long as I'm the dictator"- George W Bush.

They all think their guy is going to be the dictator.

They never think their worst enemy will be the dictator.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Professor Fate
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Difficult?  Yes...but can be done.  Have you ever seen a great television  ad created, sponsored, and run by the TEA?  Why not?  The TEA can be the messenger of the TRUTH.  But, it needs a face and a platform.  If I received a call from our local Tea Party requesting a $100 donation so that an ad campaign could be run in our area, I'd be the first to donate.  It is clear the liberal media fears the TEA Party.  Otherwise, why would they attack it so vociferously?  The TEA is comprised of small business people and ex-small business people..or...in other words...the true TAX Payers.  The TEA has the power of the purse.  It has the access to the money to mount the attack.  Unfortunately, it has not done so.  With so much ammunition simply laying around, why doesn't the TEA load the damn gun?  Because it still needs the face.  Perhaps Rand. 

Fate the Magnificent

"Push the Button, Max"

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment akarc
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The Tea Party is one of the most egregious hoaxes played on an electorate. If you are a working man. Wake up! 

http://www.bigbendbikersforfreedom.com/2011/03/governor-walker-koch-brothers-and-you.html

posted 2011

And if infografics are more your style 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jeetJTfzUoU/TM9zijCjXAI/AAAAAAAAJ5w/8CN3psHiWx...

and posted in 2010

http://www.bigbendbikersforfreedom.com/2010/10/idiocy-of-christine-odonn...

The idocy of Christine O'Odonnell reveals the truth of the Tea Party.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment northerngirl
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The problem is a large portion of American's would not be able to function in a society in which the government did not provide. In my family alone I have relatives that are in their 4th generation of being, "Welfare Babies", they have no idea of how to provide for themselves.  They do not care what the government is doing or not doing because the money arrives every month and therefore, they have food, shelter and medical care.  The government taking care of them is all they know, and anything beyond that is a foreign concept.  When we get together for family functions and talk about events in our country it is like being at the Tower of Babel.  I just shake my head and walk away.  To turn this country around from this Orwellian road we are on will take generations, and more than Rand Paul. 

Water flows via the path of least resistance, and people will always take the perceived easy way out. 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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Not everyone, you don't appear to be taking the easy way out.

Some of my family refuse to talk about what's going on out of fear.

Many people don't change until they're forced to. Some can't change until something in their environment changes first. Very few can look ahead and attempt to change in advance.

More and more people are waking up all the time. How many local stories have we heard that would gave been unthinkable just a couple of years ago?

It will be a long uphill battle. It will get worse. Who said I am surrounded, situation excellent, I can attack from all sides? The best thing about the current situation is that it is so bad. If it wasn't many that had woken up would gave gone right back to sleep.

If we can find ways to keep sharing / trading time, ideas, work, and things - then we will make it through.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Unfortunately the Tea Party and Fox News and Republicans are also afraid of TPTB. Just look at their failure regarding the 9-11 false flag attack, discussed in another of today's ZH posting, from George Washington.

Republicans and Democrats both afraid of TPTB.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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The Tea Party was hijacked and neurtalized within months of being founded.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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How? Take away everyone's anti-depressant, anti-anxiety medications and let them experience the pain that the fiat State is creating. Convince people to turn off the TV. Convince people to socialize in person.

No pain, no gain.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:05 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Cutting the DC beltway off Prozac cold turkey would be an interesting test case before we forced it on the whole country.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:09 | Link to Comment nothing can go wrogn
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Exactly.

The system is played out. There's not enough fuel in the tank to sustain some mega police state for the next several decades. There's just a last ditch attempt for control as the system spins out of control.

The future belongs not to Orwell or Huxley but Mad Max.

My life fades. The vision dims. All that remains are memories. I remember a time of chaos. Ruined dreams. This wasted land. But most of all, I remember The Road Warrior. The man we called "Max". To understand who he was, you have to go back to another time. When the world was powered by the black fuel. And the desert sprouted great cities of pipe and steel. Gone now, swept away. For reasons long forgotten, two mighty warrior tribes went to war and touched off a blaze which engulfed them all. Without fuel, they were nothing. They built a house of straw. The thundering machines sputtered and stopped. Their leaders talked and talked and talked. But nothing could stem the avalanche. Their world crumbled. The cities exploded. A whirlwind of looting, a firestorm of fear. Men began to feed on men.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:10 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Long nitrous oxide.....just in case we need to get the hell out of dodge really quickly.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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There is plenty of fuel if enough people support it. People are what fuels society. Oil, etc is secondary.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:07 | Link to Comment fudge
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maybe just a tad  ..   http://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/ 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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"We have to fight for devolution. For local power."

So... for Local Feudalism instead of National Feudalism!?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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Thank you ChrisFromMorningside - very well said and unfortunately true

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:15 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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To quote the intergalactic sage: "Screwed we are."

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:41 | Link to Comment tickhound
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To quote an actual digital HIGHWAY ROAD SIGN that is STILL there justifying some sheriff's budget... (Rt.5 South to PAX naval Air Station, MD)

"A GOOD NEIGHBOR,

IS A NOSY NEIGHBOR!

Report supicious activity.

Call Sheriff"

Yes, bitchez, NOSY is in italics... even on the sign.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Tick, I work with a Persian women whom I kid often being so paranoidal and suspicious about every person. She finally cornered me and said you have never lived in a regime where your best friend or neighbor children can turn you over to the state for what they perceive as being in opposition to the state. In this environment you live in perpetual fear, suspicion and perhaps paranoia. And I had no idea remotely what she meant at that time. She is right and that sign you site is a shade of things to come. I may be learning a hard lesson at some point.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:59 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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once you are at peace with Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death you will have no masters and no fear

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:59 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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you might find the book Wild Swans, author Jung Chang, of interest - tells the true story of three generations in China, including the Cultural Revolution, a time where the young were encouraged to turn in the elders, including parents, and were revered by the "leaders" - it's an amazing story of cultural manipulation towards an end, and just what can be accomplished by rewarding a group to spy on others, for the benefit of the government,

Jung Chang describes the life of her grandmother, a warlord's concubine; her mother's struggles as a young idealistic Communist; and her parents' experience as members of the Communist elite and their ordeal during the Cultural Revolution. Chang was a Red Guard briefly at the age of fourteen, then worked as a peasant, a "barefoot doctor," a steelworker, and an electrician.

rare perspective, eloquently told.  recommended to anyone who can see the divide and rule, tattle-tale, "see something say something" culture being pushed in amrka lately.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:24 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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He does have a point...  how about everyone meet up at the sheriff's home and watch to make sure he's not working with the mega banks and the federal government to arm the drug cartels, run the drugs and launder the drug money through the mega banks in order to fill those private, for profit prisons with the naive folks who fall prey to the narco bankster tax.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Borrow Owl
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@ All Risk, etc.:

Excellent idea...and by all means remember the Boy Scout Motto: ie, be sure to bring tar, feathers, hemp rope, torches, pitchforks and other potentially useful items.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Element
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A GOOD NEIGHBOR,

IS A NOSY NEIGHBOR!

 

Quiet a turn around; when I grew up everyone held to the maxim that you don't dob-in [rat on] your mates.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Must be (real or ideological) descendants of Commies or Nazis. Both totalitarian styles loved snoops and snitches.

When social cohesion along criteria of decency and respect are trashed like this, the public is weak and the rulers are (overtly) strong. Antidote: grass root contrarian movement, based on a different world view.

Freedom is not for the dumb, uninformed or lazy. But modern gadgets and lifestyle tend to makes us so.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:04 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Use the force, Coon ;-)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Just a stray thought........If just one percent of the aged became willing assasins................A Devine Wind smelling faintly of urine.......well, its a way to weed out the ungodly...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:51 | Link to Comment Longtermnotreally
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FUBAR

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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Of course after the nuclear war everything will be reset to zero. Then we can embark on the next twenty thousand years of human development (with some new genetic enhancements; two heads and bio lumenessence) to build the whole corporate construct up again, until another nucl............

Oh never mind, dancing on ice is on in a minute.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:40 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Yeah, there's lots of cuts going on out there and also salary reductions. My old office just cut all salaries 19% across the board....even the top. Not to mention many folks are losing their employee health care benefits with all these admin changes.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment lewy14
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Chris Hedges et al are wrong. It's not a shift.

Orwell's vision and Huxley's vision exist in superposition.

Both have been with us for some time. Both are evolving quickly. Both will remain with us.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:20 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Yeah, okay, alright.  You're just rearranging the deck chairs.  This sucker is goin' down whether TPTB like it or not.  There is no underestimation by the Powers of the sheeplishness of the majority of the citizenry, but they don't have a handle on a select group that will hang on and cause some disruption of any transition to full governmental oppression.  Things are gonna get very interesting.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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I am hoping for an implosion from within.

I am hoping for a general who sacrifices himself for his and our kids. Since we are becoming a banana republic, that general may be closer than we think.

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:05 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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"Hope" has been the DC elixir used by political puppets for a very long time.

It generally never pencils out into anything of substance, unless you are planning on crawling thru a very long sewage pipe filled with fecal matter.

Hope gives the sedentary people the rationalization to permit a stagnant existence without a need for purposeful motivation.

I rather prefer "Anger"....it does more to bring focus and avoid the laziness that hope engenders within people.

I doubt there are any generals left...that consider their oaths in times like these

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I am hoping for a general who sacrifices himself for his and our kids

 

General Boykin is the only one I see that would have the nuts to pull it off.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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>>>>>I rather prefer "Anger"....it does more to bring focus and avoid the laziness that hope engenders within people.

Anger being the absolute best negative emotion to bring about change.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment DosZap
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I doubt there are any generals left...that consider their oaths in times like these

Correct, O   is/has been replacing them as fast as he can.

Or making them retire out of disgust.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment akarc
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and what sacrifice are you willing to make or have made. I consider  waiting/hoping for a general to sacrifice himself for me not only selfish but just another way of looking for someone wlse to bail me out.

It's anagous to saying, since I have no balls I sure wish someone with balls would come along and fix it for me? 

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Dugald
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"It's anagous to saying, since I have no balls I sure wish someone with balls would come along and fix it for me?"

Them good ol boys they got plenty guns, ammo, silver and food in storage.....for um, errrr, oh, yeah, brag about, you know, huff n puff n stuff....

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:47 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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1984 v. Brave New World? Hobson's choice. I choose 'other'.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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In room 101 O'Brien asked Winston how many fingers he was holding up. Winston knew whattever answer he gave would be wrong.

Winston should have told O'Brien to go Fuck himself.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment kito
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sadly the predilection of the federal govt to control all things and all people have been with us since lincoln decided whats best for a large contingent of states that did not agree with his centralized agenda...........................

let us not forget that in the 20th century............ the federal govt forced americans to live with rations so that raw materials could be pumped into the war machine............the federal govt forced japanese AMERICANS into internment camps....................................the federal government banned the ownership of gold to protect its currency........................the federal government outlawed most production and consumption of alcohol...............................and on and on and on..................lewy14 is right................its not a shift........................

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:22 | Link to Comment duo
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A lot of these same things happened during the Civil War.  Had Lincoln knew anything about economics, he would have let the Confederacy go it alone, and within a decade, maybe two, they would have been begging to be re-admitted to the Union as their fiat currency devalued to nothing.  But no, 600,000 people had to die, and rights of individual states to govern themselves disappeared forever.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 21:00 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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He did let them go it alone. No one stopped the south from seceding and forming the Confederacy.

The war only started when the Confederacy attacked the Union at Fort Sumpter.

Even then, the Confederacy had the upper hand for more than 2 years and could have ended the war any time.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Yep. There's nothing linear in this world, it's random dynamic. So many noisy distractions make it easy for the wolves to pick pockets and herd.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Both approaches are and will remain with us indeed. They are, in essence, the Carrot & Stick approach. The former is used tactically (for efficiency), the latter is used strategically (for policy).

I see the use of both approaches as part of something different, that is old and new at the same time: FEUDALISM 2.0. The Global version, with one Coin (currency) to rule them all. If the Rothschilds were certain (knew) that they could control any country by controlling the nation's money supply, then the same principles applies on a multi-nation and global scale. You see, the old feudal Lords never disappeared completely. They just went underground, re-grouped and re-invented themselves (in the elite and secret societies) in the last 100 year's.

This Global Reserve Note currency will come about when they make 'all' (95%) of us into "Walking Bitcoins", with the bio-chip implanted in our bodies (arm, forehead). The other 5% will live in small and harmless communities, but at a lower 'standard of living'... kind of like living in the 1800s. Prepper style.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:07 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Actually we are already here. The DHS and non-military cabinet departments have more Light Armored Fighting Vehicles (LAV) than Iran, Israel, North Korea, or South Korea in addition to over 200,000 mercenaries (now called "Private Security Contractors") under their command. Hell the United States Park Police has 80 LAV's I guess because they expect Yogi and Boo-Boo to riot some day.

 

The United States of Jail

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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If we were "already here" this would be your last post on a public forum.   There's a long way to go yet, but you're on "the list" for sure.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Most people in the old Nazi Germany thought things were okie-dokey until 1938. Then the military started to make their presence felt and thoes pesky Jews started to just vanish.

 

One thing for sure, if Americans are going camping, they've done a good job concealing it thus far.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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Nah, no need to conceal US camps.  I think the idea is to make US citizens crave the camps.

Stories about drones, military equipment, and hollow point rounds are everywhere....and, and George Carlin said, "Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care"

Hunger and dehydration are the ultimate motivators.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:37 | Link to Comment sunaJ
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I just saw an ad today from the local college: Get your degree in Homeland Security!  Now, do you need a two or four-year degree to learn how to push the "scan" button on a magnetometer?  I don't think so.  What a two-year degree from the state college does, aside from get you into debt, is get you used to the idea of compliance, central totalitarian administration and job expectation (studies show us that the person that pulls the lever in the gas chamber will quickly do it for a simple wage and no questions asked.  All it takes is modest psychological conditioning and they will tell themselves that they are even doing God's work).

 

Indeed, the machinations of the collectivist unconscious are rapidly coming into stark relief.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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no layoffs there anytime soon...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:56 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Must be willing to fondle little girls....for no good reason at all.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I googled the the "Homeland Security Degree" thing. The results were disturbing to say the least.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:03 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Stanley Milgram. Look that shit up.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Element
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Stanley Milgram was born in 1933 to a Jewish family in New York City,[2] the child of a Romanian-born mother, Adele (née Israel), and a Hungarian-born father, Samuel Milgram.[3][4]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Milgram

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You mean his heritage ... or his experiments ... or both?

Kind of explains a few things though, doesn't it.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:19 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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I told my old lady a few years back, that they'd use the NDAA and governement aggression against gangs first. It happened only a year later when the government said MS-13 was a terrorist organization.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I keep waiting for Waco 2.0.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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If only they would come for the public service unionists.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:45 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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Overseas, in occupied countries,

and dependent tyrannies which are US allies,

we are "there".

In the world's biggest prison system-industry,

we are "there".

In military and corporate organizations where one is not permitted to freely speak or organize, we are "there".

Do not be too complacent about having the less-than-effective freedoms one is allowed.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:09 | Link to Comment HROLLER
Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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The promise of science and progress, yeah right.

Here's the only speech humanity ever needs, a modernization of the Golden Rule:

MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS AND LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE.

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment rotagen
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Lots of swell charts to tell us the obvious.  I gotta cringe when I see someone putting Orwell and Huxley on opposite sides of anything.  Like they're mutually exclusive?  We got both living happily side by side, the non-duality of present day USSA.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment knukles
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Nah.
They just told me that everything's OK, to buy stocks and popcorn's in unlimited supply.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:11 | Link to Comment nmewn
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A unicorn in every pot, a green fairy in every tank, a watchful eye on every street corner.

Whats not to love? ;-)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:50 | Link to Comment cpzimmon
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Did they say we'll get an increase in the chocolate rations? I didn't hear, I was too busy talking on my Obamaphone and playing pattycake with my tu tu.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Gainesville(Ag), check. Cases: vino(4), one scotch, one bourbon, one beer, check. NV scope, check. 12ga.(slug &LTL), check. Paid for by CL and Ebay sales, check. Unleash the Kraken(rum)!, check...good start to a weekend. Now if the piggies show up tomorrow night it'll be a 'blast'...ever had pork butt in a slow cooker? Hmmm...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:15 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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+1 for the gnarled John Lee Hooker/George Thorogood reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNknFH6asAs

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Good to see you around krispy, I guess the spec-ops maneuvers from Gainesville missed us.

I was expecting something more dramatic like a Blackhawk crash & burn in the middle of South Pine Street, Ocala...lol.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Ever had carnitas .... it's a pig .... fried in it's own body fat .... in a copper kettle .... stirred with a wooden paddle !  You put the kettle on the fire, you add all the "bacon" parts and skin and fat of the fresh killed pig .... salt .... as the skin gets crisp .... you take it out (chicharron) .... then you add the pork, liver, kidneys, etc. .... remove as they are ready ! Save the grease to add to the refried beans !  

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment akak
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Sounds like some real health food.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:32 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Healthy demographically as in promoting population imperialism .... better than our tax genocide ? AKAK, did you see that CNN report on Americans adopting Ugandan orphans for $30K a pop ?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Monedas
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The pig's back bone can be hacked fresh with an axe into bits of bone and meat .... these pieces are packed with softened corn meal into corn husks and tied up with narrow strips of husk .... these "tamales" are steamed .... the corn meal sucks the marrow from the bones .... like a plaster .... unwrap and enjoy with hot sauce !

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Orwell was so 1984.  Now we are too Orwellian to know that we are Orwellian.

Keep drinking that kool-aid and fluoride.  Yes, we can.

1.6 billion hollow point bullets and 30,000 drones over America are there to protect you.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Desert Irish
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Will you guys pipe down I'm trying to watch American Idol...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:26 | Link to Comment toady
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I'm trying to watch the game!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:39 | Link to Comment Savyindallas
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and Dancing with the Retards is on next

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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A PBS travel show, over here. Same diff.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:08 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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Don't forget a few thousand DHS "Street sweeper" armored personnel carriers. 

Oh, and warrantless searches at TSA VIPR (Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response) checkpoints on federal highways. 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Central Planning development platforms meets brick wall.

 

Bwahahahaha

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:39 | Link to Comment muppet investor
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As Warren Buffett would say…”Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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This proves Buffett is a moron - everybody knows the correct way to phrase the above is, "Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching his or her head"

I knew there was a reason I hated Buffett....that is, beyond his rent-seeking ways.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:08 | Link to Comment ozzz169
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Amen, fuck that cronie bastard.  I use to have respect for him(buffet) till his true colors came out (or I woke up to them anyways)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:21 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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Buffet didnT have much of a choice.  If he hadnT invested like they told him to, then they woulda ruined him.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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BS. It is a deliberate thing he does, getting involved in politics that guarantee him outsize returns.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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what if Buff-it was successfully selected by those who pull strings, to manipulate public opinion(s) while the shell game continued to rob the pockets of the enthralled?

what if his BFF Bill-e-Gate, whose massive foundations were recipient of Buff-it gains, was also one of the select few, installing spy-ware in every home, while being compensated for same?

what if the other team, the i-team set up to win the minds of those who oppose the MS-Team, and put a sell-fone tracker in every paw, giving a Jobs icon status, was yet another selected One?

what if they, and Others, were simply Chosen to do their Work on behalf of the Great Corporate Banking Crew, and were hand-some-ly rewarded for their employ?

wouldn't that be. . . incredible.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:39 | Link to Comment NorthenSoul
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"We are one crisis away from a police state."

The crisis will be a water shortage starting in the SouthWest. Anyone who follows climate change w/o engaging in identity politics (meaning: looking at the facts and leaving his/her hormones at home) knows that.

It's only a matter of time.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment lewy14
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First time I ever saw a satelite map when I was a kid, I said to myself, "Self, when you grow up, live in a place that looks green from space."

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:24 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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At one time... The SAHARA DESERT looked 'green from space'

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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But there was no one there to see it.  So, was it really green?

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Someone said it was Solyndra Green, so it must have been.

So it is written, let it be so.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:28 | Link to Comment CharmaChameleon
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Or was it Soylent Green?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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It was green a mere 12k years ago, so genetically modern humans not only saw it but lived in it, and well probably. A green Sahara would be a minor upside of the current short interglacial period ending. Downside, masses ce extinctions, advance of the ice across a lot of the land mass.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Ha!  I had that same thought.  Now I live in a place that is all white...  Fucked that one up.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:25 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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.

 

when I was a kid, I said to myself, "Self, when you grow up, live in a place that looks green from space."

When i was a kid, and i heard about Agent Orange, ...

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:01 | Link to Comment LeisureSmith
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Doubt it. But, "we" are at war with words, substances and specific tactics and so on....so why not the weather. Bomb the clouds! 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment ChrisFromMorningside
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The water crisis is more of a slow burn. I don't see it reaching a point of acute crisis that could trigger a police state. Instead, 20 years down the road we'll just look around and say "Huh ... The Colorado River no longer reaches its terminus. The Oglalla aquifer is tapped out and will need a few thousand years to refill. Lake Mead is depleted .... Maybe we should've thought about this a few decades ago? Oh well, looks like a few tens of million of people will die ... Back to Real Housewives ..."

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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It will always reach its terminus.  That terminus will not always be the sea.  U c wut I did thr?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:09 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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if the ice caps melt maybe the sea will come looking for the river?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Or the ice age come back and ice will come fill the river a mile deep.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment Conax
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Some way to efficiently de-salinate salt water could make someone a gozillionaire, so I think it will be done somehow.  Solar stills might work.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:16 | Link to Comment NorthenSoul
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For a very enlightening discussion about how bad it'll be and how much sooner than anyone could've predicted, watch Gwynne Dyer's presentation to the PowerSmart 2011:

http://a4.g.akamai.net/f/4/79195/30s/smb2.download.akamai.com/79195/4000...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Maos Dog
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Police State? Yes, No, Maybe? 

Yes? We are kind of 99% already there, very close to a Huxlean police state, and demographics dooms the US to socialism? No iron glove needed?

No?  Because of all the guns? Becasue there is no way to afford the implementation of an Orwell police state?

Maybe? Some kind of Hybryd Huxlean / Orewllian "affordable" police state? What if the crash is sooo bad, the government can't feed the troops?

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:02 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Yeah, my neighbor has been acting strangely.  Can I get an increase on my choco ration for turning him in? 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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You get one extra fortified Soylent Green snack bar.  No more.  You greedy bastard.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:08 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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They can always pay the troops with Bitcoin................

 

All kidding aside, you are absolutly correct.....They cannot AFFORD A 'One World GOV'

The elites are just stealing everything before the shit blows up, and blow up she will.........

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Seer
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"They cannot AFFORD A 'One World GOV'"

Yes, there is insufficient resources available.  I'd been making this argument for MANY years.  Besides, BAD SYSTEMS FAIL: while there might be a chance to something akin to OWG it could only ever be temporary (the only real question would be about how long it could rule).

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:54 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Until the Second Coming...............

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:34 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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Yes, the Second Combing will be more thorough than the First.

 

When the DHS combs your neighorhood the second time around, they will find more terrists than they did the first time.

 

The Second DHS Combing will be the clincher.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment machineh
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They can always pay the troops with Bitcoin................

Why bother? They're already being paid with Bencoin.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:11 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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no need for a police state when we have a porn state..

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:38 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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modern porn requires vast amounts of electricity.  We will probably be forced to go back to paper porn.

 

Disclosure:  long old-fashioned paper porn

P.S. Keep those mags in the basement dry.  They will be worth their wieght in gold...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:16 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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I have real sex. 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:30 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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oh yeah? and you think wrestling is real too.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment akarc
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send porn  links to your legislators. Insure they are to busy to do harm

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:33 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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I hope the troops don't mind being paid in tungsten.

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:42 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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These troops donT need to be paid. They just need to be fed.  When the sheeple are hungry, the troops will be thankful for their meal.  Also, the troops will receive a "promise".  Many troops will remain loyalists.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment centerline
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Have to get much smaller - quickly - in order to make it work.  That would suggest abandoning territory - letting it become a wasteland of lawlessness.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:45 | Link to Comment skipjack
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About 300 million handguns, shotguns and rifles says this guy is totally wrong.

 

When the ballot box fails, it's time for the cartridge box.

 

We're almost there.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:03 | Link to Comment mumcard
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I hope a good portion of them will stand up at the right time.  I expect only about 1% to actually refuse to live on their knees.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:30 | Link to Comment Maos Dog
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25,000,000 people armed in the country.

1% is 250,000

That is a nice sized guerrilla army!!

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Blano
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I'd bet my kids there's more than 25 milliion.

I became armed for the first time last month.  I see the handwriting on the wall.  There's millions more just like me to add to the milliions who already own and carry.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment msmith9962
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Five years ago, I would have never considered it, that has changed.  Grandpa on the farm in ireland was a good shot.  One generation of "civilization" between him and me has bred farming and self reliance away.  I'm bringing it back as best I can.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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I never gave two shits about guns, until I heard they might take them away.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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but they'll make sure you'll have to use up all your ammo on the welfare needing zombies and then they'll clean up after you shot your load

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:46 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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The ZeroHeads are always bragging about their gun collections.  Hardly never read about a huge supply of ammo.  When these rebels run out of ammo, then they lose.  Losers.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:54 | Link to Comment howenlink
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What would you like to read about their supply of ammo?  I'm sure they'll be glad to tell you.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:30 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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I want to read that the Rebels have more ammo than the Feds.  But i donT Xpect to get what i want...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:25 | Link to Comment Ljoot
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Too many boating accidents. A shame lead sinks so fast...

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 05:06 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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I bet there are a lot of people like you and welcome aboard. Perhaps the DHS video showing their recommendation people defend themselves with scissors while they purchased 450 million hollow pts has shaken a few awake.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Biden says all you need is a shotgun [whereby you empty both barrels into the air ~ to scare away attackers]...

~~~

At that point, I suppose, you use the shotgun as a baseball bat...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment 10PastMidnight
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Indeed I wonder just how many people have woke up just in this past year, just look at gun sales and you have your answer.

I see criminals, who really do have no honor, attempting to scam each other for the last hoorah, as would any bank robber who thinks they could get away, if they sacrafice their accomplist's.

It won't be pretty, but it will be in our time i believe and it will be a mess that We the people, will be able to clean up and re-organize for the betterment of all.

Food, Shelter, Water and in some cases Medicine, when those become less available to the masses, look for it to begin, because there will be no more lies that can ease the contempt, of a starving human being.

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:53 | Link to Comment indygo55
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And soooo many are seasoned military vets. Of many ranks. 

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