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Authored by Charles Wyplosz, originally posted at VOXeu,

Cyprus: The Next Blunder

The Cyprus bailout package contains a tax on bank deposits. This column argues that the tax is a deeply dangerous policy that creates a new situation, more perilous than ever. It is a radical change that potentially undermines a perfectly reasonable deposit guarantee and the euro itself. Historians will one day explore the dark political motives behind this move. Meanwhile, we can only hope that the bad equilibrium that has just been created will not be chosen by anguished depositors in Spain and Italy.

The decision to tax all Cypriot bank deposits has attracted massive attention (Spiegel 2013) – and rightly so. It is a huge blunder:

  • In the unlikely event that all goes well, the government will receive a bit of cash – but not enough to cover the loan generously offered by its European partners – and the Cypriot banking system will be history.
  • The alternative is a massive bank crisis in many Eurozone countries – a huge blow to the euro, maybe even a fatal one.

Not an emergency measure

Policymakers have been debating the Cyprus bailout for nearly a year; this cannot be classified an 'emergency action'. They engaged in a lively debate whether Cyprus is 'systemic' or not, the answer to which can only be 'it depends'. It depends not on the size of Cypriot banks but on the way the Eurozone acts. They also debated the Russian deposits that apparently represent a sizeable proportion of bank liabilities. The debate turned around the issues of how dirty this money is and how to do the laundry. They also debated on the size of a possible loan to the Cypriot government. The government itself requested something to the tune of 100% of its GDP, why not? After all this amounts to 0.2% of Eurozone GDP.

Eurozone’s help: Suffocating solidarity

From what is known:

  • Cyprus will receive a loan of about half the requested size under the usual austerity conditions.
  • The gross public debt of Cyprus will rise from its current level of some 90% of GDP to about 140%, a level that is unsustainable and will eventually require some deep restructuring.

This debt trajectory is a forecast, of course, but well in line with experience.

The effects of this Eurozone austerity programme are now well known. Cyprus joins a distinguished list of countries that benefit from suffocating Eurozone solidarity (Wyplosz, 2011).

  • The programme will impose tough austerity;
  • Its public-debt-to-GDP ratio will grow because deficits will not go away and because GDP will decline.
  • There will the need for more loans as economic predictions will be found to be 'disappointing' over and over again.
  • Unemployment will skyrocket, spreading intense economic and social suffering.

Who knows, populist parties could well be on the rise, adding political drama to economic pain. This technology is now well oiled.

The bank deposit ‘confiscation’

What is new is that bank deposits will be 'taxed'. The proper term is 'confiscated'. Like everywhere in the EU, bank deposits in Cyprus are guaranteed up to €100,000. Depositors have arranged their wealth accordingly, only to be told that the guarantee has been changed ex post.

Taxing stocks is optimally time-inconsistent (Kydland and Prescott, 1977). It is a great way of raising money but it has deep incentive effects as it destroys property rights. What is at stake is the credibility of the bank deposit guarantee system throughout Europe.

The system was shaken in 2008 but in the opposite direction. Followed by all other countries, Ireland offered a full guarantee in a successful effort to stem an impending bank run. The cost to the government was such that it triggered a run on the public debt that led to the second bailout after the Greek 'unique and exceptional' one.

That move has now been recognised as a mistake, which may explain how Cyprus is now being treated.

The Eurozone’s ‘corralito’

Because it is time-inconsistent, the decision to tax deposits has been preceded by a freezing of bank deposits. This is remindful of the Argentinean corralito of 2001, which led to economic dislocation, immense suffering and such anger that two governments fell (Cavallo 2011). Hopefully, the Cypriot corralito will not last too long.

The question is: how bank depositors will react in Cyprus and elsewhere? The short answer is that we don’t know but we can build scenarios:

  • The benign scenario is that depositors in Cypriot banks will accept the tax and keep their remaining money where it is. Depositors in other troubled countries will accept that Cyprus is special and remain unmoved.
  • A less benign scenario is that depositors in Cypriot banks come to fear another round of optimal, time-inconsistent levies. This is what theory predicts. After all, if policymakers found it optimal once, why not twice, or more?

Under the less benign scenario:

  • We will have a full-fledged bank run as soon as the corralito is lifted. Since bank assets amount to some 900% of GDP, there is no hope of any bailout by the Cypriot government.
  • Any new European loan would immediately translate into a run on the public debt.

Enter ECB, stage right

At this point in the scenario script, the ECB enters the play. Being the only lender of last resort, the ECB will have to decide what to do.

  • In principle, it could stabilise the situation at little cost as total Cypriot bank assets represent less than 0.2% of Eurozone GDP or 0.5% of the central bank’s own balance sheet.
  • But this would involve the risk that it could suffer losses – especially if the banks are badly resolved, i.e. the bankruptcies are badly handled.

This is not unlikely since the ECB does not control Cypriot bank resolution.

Remember that the current version of the banking union explicitly leaves resolution authority in national hands. In Cyprus, as almost everywhere else, national authorities are deeply conflicted when it comes to their banking systems. Powerful special-interest groups become engaged when banks go bust and governments decide who pays the price. Thus, it is a good bet that Cyprus’s bank resolution will be deeply flawed. The risk to the ECB is real.

Proper resolution under European control could have been part of the conditions for the loan just agreed. But this does not seem be the case. The omission most likely reflects a belief by policymakers that the Cyprus crisis has been solved successfully. The problem is that this belief is false: Cyprus’s predicament remains even under the benign scenario.

All the conditions for a total disaster are in place

The really worrisome scenario is that the Cypriot bailout becomes euro-systemic – in which case the collapse of the Cypriot economy will be a sideshow. This will happen when and if depositors in troubled countries, say Italy or Spain, take notice of how fellow depositors were treated in Cyprus.

All the ingredients of a self-fulfilling crisis are now in place:

  • It will be individually rational to withdraw deposits from local banks to avoid the remote probability of a confiscatory tax.
  • As depositors learn what others do and proceed to withdraw funds, a bank run will occur.
  • The banking system will collapse, requiring a Cyprus-style programme that will tax whatever is left in deposits, thus justifying the withdrawals.

This would probably be the end of the euro.

Conclusions

The likelihoods of these three scenarios – benign, less benign, and total disaster – are difficult to assess.

  • What is clear is that the Cyprus bailout has created a new situation, more perilous than ever before.
  • Once more a deeply dangerous policy action is decided apparently without any awareness of its unintended consequences.

It is also another violation of sound existing arrangements. We have a no-bailout clause in the Maastricht Treaty – a clause that was essential to the Eurozone’s stability. Putting it aside in the case of Greece was the heart of the today’s problem – the reason the crisis spread (Wyplosz 2010). This no-bailout clause has once again been put aside summarily.

We are now witnessing another radical change as a perfectly reasonable deposit guarantee is being undermined. Historians will one day explore the dark political motives behind this move. Meanwhile, we can only hope that the bad equilibrium that has just been created will not be chosen by anguished depositors.

 


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Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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When fraud is the status, quo, possession is the law.  Some things never change, time to get your tribe in order folks.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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Fuck you Rothschilds!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Thanks for all the help CNBC.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Personally, I'm getting sick and tired telling people of the virtues of buying gold, only to get a blank stare in return. Anyone who's still in paper fiatsco, well, efff 'em.

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Wall Street Last Week: Jump in the water its piss warm and fine

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Wall Street This Week: Stay out of the water because its the piss and shit making it warm...

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~FUBAR~

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment ATM
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Nothing is fixed because nothing has been fixed. The sewers are still full of a tidal wave of more shit and piss and when that clog lets loose, look out below.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:16 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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That was a quick BTFD...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:32 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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where is simon black hiding his money in foreign banks?

 

awaiting his next article where he complains of theft of 13% of his hard won cash(spread across accounts in cyprus, greece, italy, spain, switzerland , hong kong and china, venezuela and argentina)

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Popo
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Oh please. He's a broke blogger. He's hiding his cash in the back pocket of his jeans and writing make-believe blog posts about being in the CIA.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Gordon Freeman
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@popo,

Thank you for the note of sanity

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Simon laid a few turds along the way (i.e. articles with bad premise) at which point I realized how useless his posts really are. Charles Hugh Smith is a giant. Bruce Krasting has very unique insights, opinion, and shares his experience.

Sometimes I click on a Simon post and then feel cheated when I realize it was his. I mean, it wasn't clear from the front page what I was going to get.

Sometimes I wonder if he actually pays to be on ZH. He catches almost as much flak as Leo got before he and his solar stocks left the pages of ZH for good.

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment CIABS
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If he could afford to pay zerohedge, he probably would.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment El Diablo Rojo
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Bruce and Simon are two peas in a pod. Read his at best remedial article about black accounts, and you will reconsider Bruce as credible.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"Charles Hugh Smith is a giant"

Please. A giant among midgets.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:41 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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opened stocks at LoD and killing the VIX - prolly gonna be an up day in Bernanke land - is there a POMO today?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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textbook manipulation of capital markets - spot VIX opened right at it's 50 DMA and they've been selling it ever since, aapl up, classic short squeeze coming in today compliments of the world's central banks

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Awakened Sheeple
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Noone was short before today, hence no short squeeze.

Patience...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment FrozenOut
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I disagree. The solution is real assets, that is true, but your gold can be stolen. I say consumable assets. Let's drink it all. Cheers ;)

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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Yup, as I sit there being a good sport and the butt of goldbug jokes (Scrooge McDuck is my favorite) I think "joke's on you, bitchez".

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:06 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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"benign" = asleep

"less benign" = less asleep

"total disaster" = fully awake

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Super Broccoli
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you retard, it's not the Rothchilds that are getting fucked here

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Really....the Russians let themselves get pushed around by that space rock, and now the horse is out of the fucking barn....

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment toys for tits
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Forget the ECB, this is the Fed's second Lehman Bros. moment.  If it doesn't totally fund Cyprus, then the Euro is done.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment ATM
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We might all be realizing that counterparties in a fiat scheme are all that matter. when we know they can't pay it's run for the hills.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:44 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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Fool me once, ...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Once you begin Soviet Central Planning, there is rarely a convenient off ramp.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment fightthepower
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Fuck you Rothschilds!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment kito
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they make wine now........its called the "fruits" of their labor..............

 

http://www.bpdr.com/

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Edward Fiatski
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It's a leisurey-cover operation. :)

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Tinky
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Finally we have a post on this topic written by someone with a European-sounding name.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment gratefultraveller
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Did you guys know this?

"Industrial Note" and "Equity Strategy Note" of Citigroup Corp., N.Y. (2006) "Plutonomy, Plutocracy, Plutocrats" http://cryptome.org/0005/rich-pander.pdf

 

btw, Citi has tried (invain) to keep this off the web with their lawyers ever since it was first leaked. that should tell you something

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:24 | Link to Comment swissaustrian
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Great stuff. Thanks for posting!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment i_fly_me
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20% control 80% ... old news and statistically inevitable. 

http://www.intuitor.com/statistics/Benford%27s%20Law2.html

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Charles Hugh Smith and the Pareto Economy (Zh guest post from back in Feb).

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment i_fly_me
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Good stuff, I missed that one.  Thanks.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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I wonder how HFT algos would react to being pounded with a rock, over and over and over again?  Maybe someone should find out.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:39 | Link to Comment q99x2
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I had one of those crawl out of the dvd drive slot one day. I ran outside and flipped the breaker. When I came back in it had disappeared. Got an algo problem; cut the power.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Hah! Didn't work for Knight Capital!

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Shorting some UNG now.  Natty seems to be in a whole other world today.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment swissaustrian
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Maybe some got a backdoor deal for all the NG off Cyprus' shores:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/world/middleeast/gas-field-off-of-cypr...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:33 | Link to Comment kito
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dig deep and think ahead, there is a tremendous amount of capital being pumped into nat gas transportation infrastructure.......

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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I have no money in this trade, but I am generally of the opinion that Nat Gas production based on shale fracturing is only floating because of all the free money. Further, I think the shale oil boom in the Dakota's also relies quite a bit on the "free money" as it is very capital intensive to keep production up.

Both are going to take a real turn when the free money is gone or inflation takes off. Both are *expensive* compared to conventional sources and that will shine through with time.

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment kito
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input costs are dropping. they are working on the demand side. within 10 years you will see a different world with nat gas and transportation. i would gather 40% of all commercial trucking will have switched.....

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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"Yes we can" just became "Because we can".

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:10 | Link to Comment post turtle saver
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Best post of the day, sums it up succinctly - I'd give you +1000 if I could.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment akak
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"Rape We Can Believe In"

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Truther
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The roosters are coming home....you know the rest, right?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:34 | Link to Comment kito
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...and the bankers get tarred and feathered?????????

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment kito
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double post

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:40 | Link to Comment swissaustrian
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"Once more a deeply dangerous policy action is decided apparently without any awareness of its unintended consequences."

I don't think they're that stupid. This has to be intentionally done to make the crisis worse. They know that they can't get away with all the reforms they want, so they're creating a crisis to offer a "solution":

problem -> reaction -> solution.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Transformer
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I think it is a test, at least partially.  In the same way that MFG was a test, to see what people will do in response.

 

http://www.infowars.com/after-the-banksters-steal-money-from-bank-accoun...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment magpie
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Since there were no bankruns they will probably stick to the original demands

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Yellowhoard
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When your country, or it's banks, are on the hook to the banksters, your country is no longer sovereign.

The vote of parliament is not relevant.

It's like voting for hanging or firing squad.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Unprepared
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The worse news in my opinion is if this doesn't turn out to be that of a bad news. If Sheepriots do not react aggressively to this measure, it will simply embolden the eurocrats and technocrats of the world to do it again, with harsher tax rates. "I told you folks, it wasn't a bad idea after all, and no single banker has been hurt in the process"

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Lets see what the historians write about when just enough folk have woken up and start fucking hanging bankers and politicians.

If we go down the shitter, which we will, and its not far off now folks, the fuckers are coming with us.  Take heed friends, this is gonna get downright dirty real fucking fast, keep calm and keep your wits about you.

Politicians and bankers who may read this, this is for you lot, there is nowhere you can run, and nowhere you can hide, dead men walking.  You started, caused, and screwed the rest of us.

You will be paid back in spades, take that to the fucking bank.

The rest of you lot, good luck, we is gonna need it.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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Lock them in their vaults with mountains of paper money to slowly starve.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Tango in the Blight
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The vaults are probably empty.

Like the one of that black guy in Game of Thrones who acted as if he had a vault full of gold but instead it was full of BS, he was locked in it and the key thrown away.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment farmerjohn2112
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'Keep your head down and your powder dry'?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment willyt2
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We do need more sheeple to wake up becasue we do need to hang the bankers and the politicians. This is a bunch of horse dung to say the least. This phoney propped up fiancilal system we live in is becoming more and more of an EFEN joke as each day passes by. Everything is manipulated nothing makes sense anymore none of it's real. Savers are getting penalized for what? It's not their money our money is owned by who ever can get theri hands on it when they need it. WTF

Tue, 03/19/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Anti Psychotic
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Inthemix96

 

Wish I could up arrow your post more than once.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Are some people slow to clue in, or do they like to run with other people's ideas? I've been saying repeatedly for some time that the Euro can and WILL be sacrificed if it'll save the USD, i.e. preserve its GRC status.

You think Cyprus was 'unique'? Try the US and its Fed/FRNs: they are so frikkin Special (Chosen!) that they can print at (divine) will.

The war between the US vs Russia & China is escalating.
Libya, Mali, Syria, Cyprus, Euro-trash are all Fed's Roadkill. WTFU (Wake the Fuck Up)!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Shooting Shark
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I don't follow this stuff all that closely.  I just skim life for the highlights, as it were.  But this is a clear signal because it is so reckless, so blatant.  This parry at seizing deposits is all the indicator I need to know that the EZ in in deep kimchee.  With typical Cypriot savings paying negligible rates, a 10% haircut is like being offered a negative rate of say 10% for just plain savings.  There's a reason nobody has tried that as a business model without using the word "tithe".  Also see "decimate", for another literal translation.

I am reminded of an observation somebody made that one proof of time travel's impossibility is non-zero interest rates--ever.  The fact that the EZ is trying this smash-and-grab expropriation of Cyriot deposits is also proof of what will not work--ever.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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Cyprus, the new economic ground zero. Who would have guessed.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:38 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Green by 10.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Jayda1850
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It's fucked up. Lose 10% of your deposits and not even a spiderman towel in return.

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:39 | Link to Comment Caracalla
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Looks like this is much ado about nothing.  After opening way down the markets are recovering.  People are BTFD.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:04 | Link to Comment ATM
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The Fed is not "people".

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:39 | Link to Comment Monkeyfister
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My advice-- invest in European Mattress Companies.

 

If I were living in Cyprus, Greece, Portugal, Spain, or Italy right now, I would be doing everything possible to get my cash out.

Europe-- RUN ON THOSE BANKS with everything you've got. Get ALL your money out of those criminally corrupt operations, and then torch the buildings and the Banksters.

The very best thing for a Failed Bank to do-- is FAIL! Sadly, it seems the system is set up so that the Failed Banks can only be FAILED.

Time to make that happen.

Time for the Banks to be left empty, smoldering shells.

We, down here, have already suffered, and paid enough at their expense.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Edward Fiatski
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We have a great mattress selection here - all those tanned MILFs need to be fucked on something, soft preferably.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:41 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Before you start blowing your head off in doom n gloom euro rants just keep in mind the power equation : 

Cyprus Bailout: 6 Lessons That Germany Just Sent To The Rest Of Europe - Business Insider

The Euro is as flawed as the USD today, its part of the same rotten construct. 

So don't jawbone about Cyprus until the cows come home.

Cyprus is nothing, the geoplolitics of financial war and reset vital to THREE generations of first world people IS the real agenda.

And that is more than some piddling principle on which people start frothing at the mouth.

HAIRCUTS ARE INEVITABLE AND THEY WILL BE PAINFUL FOR ALL.

So don't get finicky about principles. This is a malign fiat bubble tumor and it looks infected for ALL of FIRST world...Its not part of the real economy per se, but as the streets of Athens show those bankstas and their political friends have made it so; to protect uber-wealth. And this has to stop. The uber wealth must now square up. 

The current PTB have to understand where that trade off is : between kicking the can and getting fast resolution to the financial cum economic crisis beyond their current capablities or will.

And its not just Eurozone its Pax Americana zone.

Three generations of first world and third world await resolution of this crisis. PRONTO.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment magpie
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What haircut ? The market is rising

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment falak pema
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ya! like hairs on a billiard ball !

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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What in the fuck are you babbling about? You have redefined obtuse.

Arbitrarily taking x% of a bank depositors funds is theft, plain and simple. There is simply no justification for it, period.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment falak pema
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right! 

And there is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE FOR THREE GENERATIONS OF FIRST WORLD WHILE THESE ASS HOLES KICK THE CAN...thats reality and where we head in current limbo. 

Now you choose...

You're front line and you don't know it; unless you have your wealth in Caymanista land; otherwise the choice is very different! 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:06 | Link to Comment ATM
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They can take it by edict or they can take it by printing. What the fuck is the difference?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:10 | Link to Comment falak pema
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the first is MUCH faster than the other. Cut out the financial tumor fast, this thing is ruining the lives of the young and innocent and that is a multigenerational crime. 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:43 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Other than appearances (and perceptions), none.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:42 | Link to Comment PontifexMaximus
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who cares about the levy? the higher the levy, the better for stock markets.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:42 | Link to Comment grid-b-gone
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At the core of the worldwide central bank liquidity plan is the hope that, by keeping the banking and financial system looking somewhat normal, a real normal will emerge. Fake it until you make it.

This is like keeping an alcoholic half-drunk until he is cured because allowing him to hit bottom is so bad.

World economies need to hit bottom, a point at which everyone understands it can only get better.

Cyprus only reminds the world that the bottom we should have hit a couple years ago has not yet been reached.

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment proLiberty
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While I am as alarmed as anyone over the Cyprus banking sellement, the net effect of seizing 10% of deposits is the exact same as solving the crisis by creating new money out of thin air and diluting the value of those deposits by 10% by wage and price inflation.  In the world of Keynes, it is all theft.

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Not quite. 

Deflationary theft vs. Inflationary theft.

Look out below.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:09 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Perhaps you have been robbed the moment you agreed to payment in fiat currency.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment NEOSERF
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ZH, you need to start drinking your own Koolaid...do you really think this is anything but a BTFD opportunity.  A bunch of Russian money launderers lose some money (if they ever will as there will be death threats on Cyprus legislators voting on this which will fail today).  We close green by end of day on some sort of statement that creates a relief rally by noon.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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My understanding is that the largest banks would fail without the bail-in. The banking failure could freeze all assets and probably start a derivatives domino effect. I am not sure if the Russians prefer that scenario.. In any case, even with the bailout there would be a run on the banks which would start a follow on crises. After all who keeps their assets in a bank that just stole 10% of your funds?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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You don't know Cyprus. It is a major British base in the Middle East. Then again the USA spent $700 billion bailing out Oligarchs on Wall Street and saving Arab investors so Russians can think about those US Treasuries they hold and wonder about how many of those have just been expropriated in Cyprus

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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This development makes it obvious that the central banks want equity prices to decline.  Perhaps they want the banks to instead lend money to people like yourself, who unbeknownst to them would just invest it in equities!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment breakyoself
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Cramer said it's nothing. He compared it to the cut of the defense budget in sequester. Jim knows it all, folks.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Monkeyfister
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If Jim Cramer says it's no big deal, then that clearly means the entire gambit is about to fully go to shit in short order.

 

Invest in Mattress Futures!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment akak
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I can summarize "The Cramer Effect" in four succinct lines:

 

Buy buy buy!!!

(Down down down!!!)

Oh Shit shit shit!!!

Run run run!!!

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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Gold and silver should rocket higher. I can't think of a better investment vehicle to have when your currency and a lifetime of savings are at risk.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:45 | Link to Comment NoWayJose
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Cyprus should pull an Iceland and let the foreign bondholders and their iwn troubled banks fail. Anything else is death by a thousand cuts.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:46 | Link to Comment deerhunter
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In watching the History Channel new mini series on the Vikings a condemned man gets to choose his style of execution.  Seems fitting that one would choose beheading over say "please draw and quarter me".  If not just the Eurozone but the world does not realize that there is no longer rule of law or at least any enforcement of the rule of law when it comes to white collar crime then lets just say together,  "draw and quarter me please".  I honestly prefer facing a street thug with a knife in that at least he is honest enough to let you know what he is after.  Then at least your choice to comply or not leave the consequences in your own hands.  I have never been comfortable being referred to as a sheeple but when I look at the whole market and banking system I now understand that we will get exactly what is coming to us and as of now that appears to be ZERO.  BTFD  fellow sheeple.  Markets green by end of trade. 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment magpie
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Everyone can imagine Lenin and Stalin staying awake at night and thinking about how to expropriate the kulak best...but this is them staying awake to find out how to take Armand Hammer's and Henry Ford's money.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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I don't think they thought about it. They simply killed them and created mass-starvation in the Ukraine in the Holomidor killing 4 million

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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I don't think they thought about it. They simply killed them and created mass-starvation in the Ukraine in the Holomidor killing 4 million

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Monkeyfister
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I do wonder why these Bankster criminals, and their gubmint enablers are still allowed to walk the streets free and unmolested.

Never mind another "Lehman Moment." I am desperately awaiting a "Concord Moment" when we finally see the whites of those Bankster eyes.

Bring it!

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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Cyprus = Marshall Islands.  These fuckheads needed a place to test their evil bomb, and Cyprus happens to be a pretty convenient place.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Mario55
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Lots of reactions on this website and similar places keen on property rights, but let's face it, all in all this morning the market reaction is very tame in front of this very sad Cyprus situation.

Merkel, Barroso and cy seem to have won. 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Fund Managers churn Customer accounts to make money, this is just another invitation to dip into customer accounts. Why should "The Market" run by FIRE sector gangsters object...they have been given the green light to raid accounts

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:49 | Link to Comment The Heart
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“Barnier would like the one-off levy to be weighted so the burden is on large depositors,” said the source.

As commissioner for the single market, Mr Barnier is the watchdog over the EU’s “deposit guarantee scheme”, legislation which protects up to €100,000 of savings if a bank goes bust but in the Cyprus case, say sources close to him, it does not apply.

Officials are billing the Cypriot hit on savers as a “fiscal measure” rather than a bail-in, haircut or loss inflicted on depositors in order to wriggle around the EU deposit guarantee law.

The point is made that Cypriot banks are deposit based, meaning that depositors are the only people to go to for a cash raid, given that the sovereign state in Cyprus cannot underwrite its banks.

Cypriot banks account for 55 per cent of the economy, their debts run to 800 per cent of Cyprus’ GDP – this is a risk unlike any other eurozone country, officials argue.

If the two main banks in Cyprus go bust then the state goes bust too, meaning depositors would lose everything anyway is the case made in Brussels.

“This measure is not necessary for any other country, Cyprus is completely unique in this regard,” said the official."


Officials are billing the Cypriot hit on savers as a “fiscal measure” rather than a bail-in, haircut or loss inflicted on depositors in order to wriggle around the EU deposit guarantee law.

Or, how to explain a bank holiday, and the curency devaluation?


The point is made that Cypriot banks are deposit based, meaning that depositors are the only people to go to for a cash raid, given that the sovereign state in Cyprus cannot underwrite its banks.

Arggg matey...raid!


If the two main banks in Cyprus go bust then the state goes bust too, meaning depositors would lose everything anyway is the case made in Brussels.

Wanna bet it is the same in the USA?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-crisis-live/9936737/Cyprus-bailo...

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:49 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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I was driving by Liberty Precious Metals today in Del Mar and I swore I saw someone that looked like Charlie Munger by the door waiting for them to open. Probably just some other old guy with thick glasses.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment akak
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If he was wearing Depends, it was probably Charlie "Magoo" Munger.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Roandavid
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To quote Barry Ritholz, 

"This is not about punishing savers. It is about a 1 million person island that has become a tax haven for Russian oligarchs. It is not another MF Global. No one is confiscating."

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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How about a 10% levy on JP Morgan Customers to help foreclosure victims ?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Close.  Actually, with ZIRP, we already have the confiscation of deposits.  No one noticed because nominal amounts remained the same.  Also, the savers in US were many hats, so they probably are heavily invested in profitable stocks, like appl.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:56 | Link to Comment FrozenOut
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Then why not confiscate only foreign national accounts? Or non-eurozone national accounts, to be more PC about it, and let the Russki's go whistle?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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Good one Barry...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment GoldIsMoney
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It's not some years ago that I recommended all the greece banking customers to get their money out of the Euro zone. Till today they have not had to "pay". But Cypress is the blue copy of how things may come. And so I repeat myself. See that you get do not have all your money in but one country. What the EU can, other will be able to do also. 

And just see who will not have to suffer. Those having bought gold/silver etc those having their money at home, those having invested their money in different areas. It hits those which have done the least speculative of theem all, just keeping your money in a bank, has cost your dearly. Just imaging one day you own "100 000" € and the day after 10 000 € of it are gone, no action needed from your side. 

This is pure socialism and will be the start of the ending.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Deposit Insurance lowers the cost of capital for Banks. The simple fact that if Cyprus defaulted and its banks went belly up those with Deposits <€100,000 would be FULLY insured but those >€100,000 Euros would NOT.

So in whose interest is it to EXPROPRIATE those with Deposits <€100,000 in order to prevent a Default which would not affect smaller Depositors ?

It is evident that the EuroZone cannot permit an Iceland Default because it would be contagious and drive a coach and horses through the fictional Balance Sheets of global banks.

So now they have destroyed the notion of Deposit Insurance hoping those with <€100,000 will not notice. How stupid are politicians nowadays ?

The situation is much worse now because Default in Cyprus was more manageable with Russian help than a run on an Italian or Spanish bank

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:54 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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The Dow Jones is in a total collapse - down 0.43%.

 

I guess government confiscation of cash is almost bullish.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment ak_khanna
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Now the politicians are competing directly with the bank robbers who walk into a bank with guns demanding that the customers deposits be handed over to them. 

The world debt crises can be eased substantially by just cutting the salaries and perks drawn by the elected politicians and reducing their lavish lifestyles to one that is borne by the majority of the country's citizens.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article35345.html
www.letstalkmoney2012.in

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment falak pema
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agreed, we need to take steps to get resolution fast and stop the can kicking, one way or the other! 

These guys just have lost it completely.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Shooting Shark
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Interesting opportunity here for a Sino-Soviet split.  This Cypriot debacle would strengthen the Yen, and Russia opposes it.  China wants a stronger Yen, and Japan opposes it.  China will take crap from the US, but this reduces the amount of patience they have with deflated Japanese crap.

So where does China shake out on the EZ snagging a remium from depositors?  My guess is they'll stay silent as long as it looks like it's going to happen. 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:07 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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There will be NO Sino-Russian split. Soviets went out 24 years ago but probably the news hasn't reached you in your Cold war Bunker yet.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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Think about all of those Corporations with HUGE amounts of Money in overseas Banks.  10% hair cut would be devistating.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Johnson & Johnson apparently lost $100 million through a devaluation in Venezuela so go figure how much Apple etc could lose if their $40 billion offshore gets a haircut

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment NoWayJose
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It was interesting to see a German finance guy say how great this plan was. Northern European banks and politicians LOVE this, as it will trigger a flight from southern european bank deposits into the north - almost as if it were planned in order to help weak northern banks...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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I thought $109 billion of funk money went into Chinese banks - presumably Hong Kong in January......I don't think deposits will stay in Euros since the policy of depositor haircut is now EuroZone Policy

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:00 | Link to Comment GoldenGal
Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:01 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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What has been forgotten is that most governments around the world find it easy to change the rules, and can do so very quickly.  Mostly such rule changes only go one way.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment d edwards
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Seems like the perfect way to commit eurozone economic suicide, accidently on purpose.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:07 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Isn't it obvious that the Cypriot banking system will be dissolved and acquired by the ECB for Deutsche Bank and UBS at pennies on the dollar?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Largest Shareholder in Bank of Cyprus is RUSSIAN....he might not agree with you.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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@Wyplosz:

 

"It is also another violation of sound existing arrangements. We have a no-bailout clause in the Maastricht Treaty – a clause that was essential to the Eurozone’s stability. Putting it aside in the case of Greece was the heart of the today’s problem – the reason the crisis spread (Wyplosz 2010). This no-bailout clause has once again been put aside summarily."

 

Sound what, dude? There was nothing in Maastrich that prevented the banks from lending against collateral 30x or against capital 50x. There was nothing to prevent Northern European banks to pimp credit in the South w/ negative real interest rates.

 

There was nothing in Maastrich or in so-called 'prudent regulation' preventing asset price inflation or ballooning consumption. Maastrich sat back while the interests of German and other North European mercantilists were satisfied along with the Chinese.

 

Offering the bailout in the case of Greece is NOT the heart of today's problem. The heart of today's problem is the same as yesterday's and the days and years before, an economy that must borrow because its primary activity -- pointless consumption of capital and non-renewable resources -- does not offer any returns. Our modern, industrialized economy simply cannot pay for itself.

 

There is no way to jigger the banking system to engage in non-stop lending for more than the shortest period. The point is reached -- now -- when the banking system is overcommitted, there is no worthwhile collateral, when debt-service costs are greater than lending capacity ... when there is no real output, no real goods or services, nothing useful to do as 'shopping' does not provide any real utility ... there is nothing to repay the vast loans than settle over economies like dark clouds of mustard gas.

 

Bailout or no, the Greek banking system was bound to collapse, so is today's Cyprus banking system. Cyprus does not produce any goods or services, only access to some small beaches. It supposedly has some offshore natural gas but its Russian depositors offered proxy access to that country's 50 trillion cubic meters of gas -- more than the other major producers combined. Now ... that proxy access has been given an arbitrary 10% haircut and the fuel managers are painted as criminals! Currently, not ONE METER of Cyprus gas is flowing into European houses. Talk about counting your chickens!

 

If you are going to torment a lion you better be able to run away. The Europeans are dependent upon the Russians for motor fuel and heat, they are tied to the lion by a very short chain, they have pulled the lion's tail. What stupdiity!

 

Or is it desperation. The European managers have been trying to borrow short-lend long since the euro introduction, they try now to force lending when the system no longer is capable of it. The deposit levy is a form of negative real interest rates. The borrowing short tactic has failed, there is no more capital, even if the banks aren't emptied on Tuesday or Wednesday, there is nothing real in the banks anyway. All are the final claims against capital that went up the tailpipe a long time ago.

 

Europe is bankrupt, so is the rest of the world but Europe is more bankrupt than the others.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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You should read the Maastricht Treaty. It seems you do not know what is in it. It referred specifically to SOVEREIGN Debt Art 125 and Art 109 in the Amsterdam Treaty and Art 125 in the Lisbon Treaty and pooling of liabilities.

The destruction of the Deposit Insurance Scheme has blown up all the banks because now they will be forced to hold much more CASH reserves and become increasingly liquid to avoid bank runs.

Next stop CAPITAL CONTROLS....Easter would be a good time to introduce them

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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There is nothing about Maastrich about regulating banks, this was left to the sovereigns, the banking lobbyists wrote the treaty to benefit their clients, there never was any real oversight and the outcome was a massive credit bubble.

 

Only in the past year is the EU talking about a centralized banking regulator ... looking to close the barn door after the cows are long gone.

 

Capital controls: what is the point of the euro, again?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:05 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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"The heart of today's problem is ... an economy (based upon) -- pointless consumption of capital and non-renewable resources.

Thanks Steve in Virginia.

It's time to read Henry David Thoreau's chapter on economy from Walden and get our minds unscrewed.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Reefer
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They either take a 10% hit or...... It's back to the 'new' Cypriot Pound at around €0.40 for starters.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Order out of chaos, the game is getting old. *yawns*

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:31 | Link to Comment NoTTD
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Well, that all sounds correct - except for the part where the ECB enters from "stage right".   Clearly, the ECB will always enter from stage left.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:36 | Link to Comment s2man
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Charles, you left out the other disaster scenario; Don't bailout the banks, they fail, causing bank failures to cascade across Europe.

Of course, that is the least likely outcome since the bankers are the politicians best buddies. 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Vooter
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The people of Cyprus should respond by levying a 10% property-damage tax on the Cypriot government...

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Just like the American public sequestrated Wall Street assets as collateral for TARP

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment falak pema
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who r bankrupt...more so than the people. 

In any school they teach you to count. 

Cyprus govt. = 30 billion debt.

Cyprus people = 30 billion deposits.

The government is the people in name + Oligarchs who scam admittedly...but that part has zilch, (its all in Swiss land if they are like greek scammers), not so the private wealth which is sitting pretty in Nicosia.

If u want the EU to cough up 10 B somebody has to provide the 6B missing...and it wont be God! 

A sovereign state has to shape up or give up. And the people should beat the shit out of their elected; like every where else for being scammers!

In the end whether its the US or its Germany or its Cyprus, its the people who have ultimate responsibility, and no amount of libertarian anarchy knee jerk can change that reality, except to make it worse, IMO.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Longing for the...
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All the problems that brought down/will bring down these various entities were the size of their notional guarantees versus their actual ability to pay promised claims.

None of the issuing bodies was/is capable of paying off in the event of a castastrophe. The guarantees were illusions fostered by governments/companies.

They only work until they are actually needed.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Montezuma
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Greece has been a tax haven, money laundry and citizenship country for alot of Russian "business" men. Rest of the Eurozone shouldnt pay for shitty little Islands fucked up policy which was "lets buy loans from Greece, since we are basically the same people".

One thing I dont get why are they fucking their own people over? Taxing some 6.75% of grandmas pention?

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Greece is NOT an ISLAND

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Equites
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It's starting to get quite scary, all-in-all... Though I wonder how the 'Foreign' depositors are mainly Russians, as Israelis also tend to have huge sums with the Cypriots. It's extremely intriguing, as well, as Cyprus for years has been the last stop before traces were wiped (in anti-money laundering)... 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment supermaxedout
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Cyprus is since long a wooden stick in the flesh of Eurolands banking industry. A left over from UKs colonial past. A financial no mans land offiacially but controlled by the City of London.  The ideal place for the real dirty money.  The Russians, oh the pour pour Russian oligarchs. Uk has to protect them. Whether Euroland is paying or London. Its that simple.  Since Cyprus was since centuries the show from UK, why should Euroland pay now anything at all. Its clearly the UKs responsibility. They are in coalition with the US still the real master of this island.

As I wrote it was controlled till now by the UK and the US. What is happening now is a simple system change. Cyprus is moving away from the fraudulent Anglo-Saxon banking scheme and is becoming part of ECB controlled territory. hu, hu hu . Nothing to worry about the City of London has still many other places comparable to Cyprus.

But the UK wants to make this as hard as possible and tries to make it sour for Cyprus and Euroland.  But Euroland just said to the UK: We have enough of your games which are now already lasting years in Cyprus and do lead to nothing. Pack your things and take your black Russian money to London what is left. This is our offer, the rest is your problem. 

Anyhow no sane person was holding a savings account in a Cyprus bank. Only big time speculators holding wealth which is anyhow no wealth anymore its just numbers on toilet paper sheets.    Eurolands offer is now on the table. Take it or leave it. The next offer will be zero 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment JayKitsap
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So the banks asked their depositors to save with them for a paltry interest rate compared to other investments, but there is a no loss possible with the 100K insurance.  People put their day to day money as it is easy and safe.

Now it is paltry interest rates with the same risk of haircuts and other investments.  If one is paying attention to their accounts, typically you can move out before a 10% loss.  Now, come thick or thin the accounts carry a -10% tax. Just hold cash then or invest elsewhere.

 

Obama in the Chrysler bailout fixed the rules on bonds to take care of his friends.  Now, any buyer of bonds knows that he must follow the rules but the borrower doesn't.  We've done the same thing with all the housing foreclosures, these poor smucks bought 5 houses and are now defaulting, shouldn't the banks cut a deal.

We live in interesting times.

Mon, 03/18/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment StavropolJames
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Can anyone tell me the difference between a guaranteed bond and a non-guaranteed bond after this fiasco?  Aren't they both the same now? Aren't the ideas of collateral and guarantee moot now?

If I'm assured I can't lose on a purchase of a risky bond, which of course would have a higher rate of interest to reflect that risk, why wouldn't I take the risky bond and take a shot at getting the high interest rate?

Why would I buy a 10 year German bond and take 1.4% when I could get almost 5% for the same thing from Spain when in both cases, my money isn't at risk? 

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