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What Does A 'No' Vote Mean For Cyprus And The Eurozone?
Originally posted at Open Europe,
All at sea – what does the 'No' vote mean for Cyprus and the eurozone?
19 Mar 2013
The Cypriot parliament tonight voted against a bill to introduce a tax on bank deposits, in return for a €10bn bailout offered to the country by Germany and other eurozone governments. Not a single Cypriot MP voted for the deal. The structure of the tax in the bill is shown in the table below. The vote leaves Cyprus’ place in the eurozone hanging in the balance and threatens the escalation of the crisis to a new level, though the most likely outcome is that the Cypriot parliament votes a second time, on a revised deal.
Results of the vote
The governing party (DISY) abstained (with one member absent), while the junior coalition partner (DIKO) voted against – this signifies the huge political divisions at work in Cyprus. Even if a bailout deal is eventually approved the government’s position continues to look untenable.
What does the vote against the deposit levy mean?
As we have noted before, this has the potential to be a very serious twist in the eurozone crisis. Previously, Germany and the eurozone have stressed that Cyprus has no alternatives to the deposit levy. Now, all eurozone partners are forced back into difficult negotiations.
What timeline are Cyprus and the eurozone working on?
Cyprus will run out of cash on 3 June, when it has to repay a €1.4bn international bond. However, the decision will need to be taken long before that. Cypriot banks cannot stay closed for long but they cannot be reopened until a decision is taken, otherwise there will almost certainly be a deposit run. While people can reportedly withdraw up to €700 per day from ATMs, businesses, large and small, cannot function without banks being open. We would expect some decision would need to be taken by early next week before the lack of liquidity and lack of economic activity begins to severely harm the Cypriot economy.
What are the possible outcomes?
Both sides have some serious decisions to make. Below we outline the potential scenarios (as highlighted here):
1. Cyprus votes again and approves a revised tax: The governing party pushed for the vote to be delayed and hence abstained. This may be seen as delegitimising the result, not least because they hold 36% of the seats in the Cypriot parliament. The deal could see a few small tweaks along with some additional cash (either from the eurozone or Russia – see below), which would then be put to another vote in parliament – after all, being asked to vote twice is a common practice in the EU. But such a decision and vote must come quickly. In addition to running out of government cash, banks would have to remain closed during the interim period, meaning businesses and the wider economy could not practically function. The vote would therefore have to take place by the start of next week to avoid another escalation of the crisis. In our view, this remains the most likely option (possibly in combination with part of option 2).
2. The eurozone blinks: With the possibility of a country exiting the eurozone becoming very real and the “irreversibility” of the single currency coming under direct threat the eurozone may present Cyprus with a more palatable deal. After all the cash in question – €5.8bn – is only 0.06% of eurozone GDP. The real issue will be how to provide this cash while keeping Cypriot debt sustainable.
Options include:
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providing the full €17bn loan but with very long maturity and low rates;
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linking the repayment of the loan to future gas revenues;
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using the ESM or another vehicle to recapitalise banks directly;
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restructuring domestic bonds to extend maturity;
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accepting losses on some of the official loans.
None of these is perfect but if push came to shove, one or several could be moulded to make the deal look viable – at least on paper.
The main issue here remains political. It would be very tricky to push any increased bailout / relaxed conditions through the German, Finnish and Dutch parliaments, who don’t want to be seen to prop up a bloated Cypriot financial sector dominated by Russian interests. After all that is partly why we got here in the first place. Such a deal would be also reliant on the ECB agreeing to continue providing liquidity to Cypriot banks.
3. Cyprus looks to ‘other plans’ (i.e. Russia): Cypriot President Nicos Anastasiades suggested that Cyprus is considering “other plans” in case the parliament voted down the deposit levy and no new bailout deal was forthcoming. As of now, it is not clear exactly what these plans are, however, it is a decent bet that many, if not all, involve Russia in some way.
Cypriot Finance Minister Michalis Sarris will be in Moscow tomorrow to discuss the situation with his Russian counterpart. As we have argued before, Russia has significant self interest in helping Cyprus out – it could reduce the losses for the reported €20bn in Russian deposits held in Cyprus, it could gain favourable terms for future contracts on gas exploration in Cyprus (and therefore the future revenues) and it could also improve its geopolitical foothold in the region (as we have highlighted before, there is speculation that Russia has previously sought to move its naval base from Tartus, Syria to Cyprus).
Russia may therefore step up and provide additional financing, potentially to cover the circa €2bn which may have come from Russian depositors under the tax. Reports have also suggested that Sarris may propose a 20% tax on Russian deposits in Cyprus in exchange for a stake in a future Cypriot national gas company and board positions at Cypriot banks.
However, the EU will not want to see one of its members become so closely intertwined with Russia, so could actually strengthen Cyprus bargaining chip.
4. Cyprus exits the eurozone: No compromise can be found under any of the scenarios above (at least not within the necessary timeline – see above). With the largest Cypriot banks going without a recapitalisation, the ECB could be forced to follow through on its threat to withdraw liquidity from Cypriot banks – not just to reduce its risk exposure but also to ensure its threat of action remains credible to the rest of the eurozone and financial markets. If so, the ECB Governing Council would also probably promptly vote (a 2/3 majority is needed) to turn off the Emergency Liquidity Assistance to Cyprus leaving the banks illiquid and insolvent.
This combined with the previous threat of a deposit tax would likely lead to a deposit run on the banks and their likely collapse. In the face of all this, without an ECB or eurozone backstop, Cyprus would find it impossible to bail out its banks or support the guarantee of deposits – it would be forced to exit the eurozone and print its own currency.
The logistics are messy, but as we suggested with respect to Greece, some use of Article 50 in the EU Treaty to exit the EU would be the most likely option.
The new Cypriot currency would have little international trust, particularly in financial markets – not least because it would have just defaulted on a significant amount of its debt, particularly foreign-held debt. This would be worsened by the Cypriot Central Bank having to print massive amounts of liquidity to keep the banks afloat and backstop deposits. It would likely also have to monetise the government deficit, which is due to be 4.5% of GDP this year, or Cyprus would have to enforce massive austerity. In any case, this scenario has all the hallmarks of an inflation spiral and collapsing GDP.
This could be combined with option 3 to some extent. Russia could offer Cyprus a significant bailout, particularly of the banking sector. Alternatively some currency link could be envisaged. In either case this would help increase trust in the new currency and the Cypriot economy.
Would the ECB really pull the plug on liquidity to Cypriot banks?
The key turning point here will be whether the ECB cuts off Cypriot banks. It is to some extent the vital difference between option 2 and 4, while keeping liquidity on could help facilitate option 1. To pull the plug on ELA the ECB needs a 2/3 majority (15 out of 23 votes) at the ECB Governing Council. Although the Bundesbank and maybe the Dutch and Finnish central banks might vote to turn off the ELA a 2/3 majority is not certain. In fact since Mario Draghi took over the ECB it has not been particularly hawkish. Bloomberg reports that the ECB said after the vote: “The ECB reaffirms its commitment to provide liquidity as needed within the existing rules”. The crisis has shown so far that the rules of the ECB are incredibly malleable, so what exactly that statement means is unclear, but the vote could certainly go either way.
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ECB Nowotny: Cyprus Should Not Place Hopes On Presents
"I believe one must expect from the Cypriots a realistic position, otherwise there is only the hope that somebody makes them a present, be it the Russians, be it the EU," Nowotny said. "I would not place too much hope on that."
https://mninews.marketnews.com/content/ecb-nowotny-cyprus-should-not-place-hopes-presents
It doesnt mean shit! This game will go on and on and on until ...
... default and euro exit over the weekend.
Why did the IMF do this?
There is no way for them not to have known would happen - especially when you take on the KGB.
What exactly is the IMF trying to achieve?
War?
D.K.
But it seems bizarre.
The Euro is competition to the USD, and how is Europe helping the Global Debt Ponzi anyhow?
By creating the euro. It says "hey look! We can Ponzi too!" apparently this means something different over here because we're "we're issuing trillions of debt with little to no penalty" whereas in Europe "they're pissing off the Germans again." the only real solution is of course to stop paying that ridiculously high interest rate. Since that is not mentioned by the author "as the problem" (as it obviously is) then neither is "the solution" namely CYPRUS WILL BE EJECTED. (now insert nicey nicy propaganda statement here. And don't forget to read the confession live on the air.)
What about this:
1. Someone start a kickstarter type campaign
2. The campaign is to help support the Cyprus currency when they leave the Euro
3. Pledge a USD / EUR / GBP / Bitcoin (the most valuable!) to the campaign
4. When the Cypriot Lira is available, the pledges will be applied in a steady stream, proceeds shared equally across all accounts (takes some good programmers, but doable)
5. The Lira just might not collapse, especially if people buy BTC to pledge
6. Whoever starts this should give me 1% of transaction fee as a royalty for giving you the idea : )
Free market BITchez!
Anyone got a better plan?!
the analysis is incomplete: a bank run WILL occur in any case, no matter what kind of 'solution' will be agreed on. once you publicly discussed the levy tax, there is no putting the genie back into the bottle. So forget about the EUR 15 bn that WERE needed. You will now need probably at least 2-3 times that amount. well done, everybody. besdies the fact, that Cyprus' business model is now gone for good anyway. good luck, restarting that 'economy'.
None of the aforementioned (article) scenarios says anything about The People, as if they don't matter. Having my savings haircut-ed by a foreign foreign power, I'd just maybe be pissed of enough to force a referendum down the throat of the political elite on leaving the EU? Some fucking "UNION" this is turning out to be.
Anyways the precedent has been set and whatever the outcome is every poor prick in the EU should at the very least go to the bank and grab their savings from the clutches of these lunatics. That said, convert the paper to something thay can't print-devaluate away in a warehouse on late friday night.
They (IMF/eurocrats) want to kill Cyprus offshore banking and tax haven model. The only way to prevent this is for Cyprus to default and exit the euro.
A spokeswoman for the IMF had no immediate comment. European officials have repeated that the goal is to shrink the island's banking sector over time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323639604578370743677444984.html
European officials have repeated that the goal is to shrink the island's banking sector over time.
No shit?! Looking to steal money out of its banks wasn't enough of a clue?
I think that they need to aim that banking sector shrinker laser beam at their own banks, and when they are done maybe it can be imported to the US...
This looks more like a Samson option.
The EC is a Socialist system. That means that every member of it wants to get more out of it than they put in to it. Rots a ruck.
pinto,
i think they just got careless. the outcomes now in front of them are too horrific to suggests a bigger bluff was planned.
one of the outcomes not talked about yet, and i think an elephant in a room of elephants, is that the countries that already 'settled' will now know they can regain the hammer and force bettor deals if cyprus gets good terms. any country that needs 'help' in the immediate future now knows that the ones who have it all to lose are the ones with the 'money', not the ones 'asking' for help.
as mentioned as an outcome for the fed exit by those who know much more than i, debt 'cancellation' is the only outcome that 'balances' the books, after it is on boarded to whatever they name the usb stick.
much like they will have to do to those unregulated pieces of paper. even in quantum mechanics,there just aint enough worlds' with assets to to cover that crap.
The IMF essentially chose to take on Russia.
We will eventually know why - but it seems highly irresponsible that they would do so.
These morons think that the Soviets of 1990's are the Russians of today. A big miscalculations.
It looks like a JPM / Lehman Bros. moment.
Interesting. Maybe this was the move to retaliate against Russia for backing Assad and protecting Iran?
Pinto,
the ecb et al negotiators say they offered confiscation on over 100k and cyprius wanted no more than 10% on the over 100k. if accurate, i think the ecb et al could not force their position, shrugged, and walked away with the 'best' deal they could make.
their error was that there was no deal. the 'cypriots' could not deliver.
had the deal been done, some people in the world would squawk, but the story would go back page quickly.
why the politicals wanted the deal on limiting the over 100k seems obvious: they get contributions from the over 100k crowd. bought and paid are they, just like the rest. this provides continuity to the whole story, including the 'abstaining' by the guys who cut the deal. face saving, perhaps trying maintain influence over cypriot voters to pave the way for their contributors in the future.
much more likely than imf 'taking on' russia. makes no sense to me either.
long/short: i posted my guess for the outcome elsewhere, but it goes like this: central bank coordination behind the scenes as no central bank wants this to go further; i.e. no help from russia; cyprus settles for original over 100k with the ecb et all; story maintains legs longer than originally calculated, but goes 'away'.
consistent with that, ecb et all has as of today let it be known that confiscation has not been ruled out in the future. my hunch is that the future proposals will be framed as coming from the nation in trouble and the ecb et all will just 'agree' to those proposals, providing face saving cover.
thanks,
wmm
Their hubris has led them to take stupidity pills. There was no serf to run behind the annointed IMF princess reminding her that her glory is fleeting.
That is the stupidity answer.
But these people are dealing with nitroglycerine and they know it.
They ain't sloppy.
6. Someone repeatedly presses the print key. "Existing rules" are ignored. (Again)
Ummmmm....errrrrr....is this an error? I mean after that attempt to steal depositor cash for the purpose of bailing out some bad banks in Cyprus, are you sure you did not mean to say that the Euro dollar would have little international trust? Come on, man. The ECB just burst onto the world wide scene as an accounts grabber, lookin' for an easy roll in Cyprus...because their political clout has shrunk and they could not extend a measly ten billion to the island nation. Aren't they about 400 billion into Greece right now...with continuing liabilities in the form of garbage bonds posted as collateral?
And anyway, maybe what really matters is having a currency that works....in Cyprus! Maybe...just maybe those folks know that you will find value in work, and perhaps that is more important than trying to find it in a levered currency swap rate? Just thinkin' out loud here....you know...as a human being...not a large corporation.
The Euro, the Euro, the Euro's on Fire;
The Euro, The Euro, The Euro's on Fire......
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn,
Burn motherfucker, BURN.
I think I may steal this and post on my facebook wall to piss off all my globalist friends.
Why does it seem like the central banks are so afraid? Has the central banking system come to a point where if one country defaults than the whole house of cards comes down?
In a word: YES.
If everyone goes to get their money, the house of cards comes down. Even in "normal" times, banks don't have the money on hand to give to the depositors.
"Do you hear that, Mr. Draghi? That is the sound of inevitability.
That is the sound of euro death."
akak,
People are missing the reality that a yes or no vote is now moot. The Banks are roadkill and the deposits are destroyed if these banks can't reopen and trade normally. A vote does not change that.
If Jim Sinclair is right the Russian financial damage is huge, if not systemic, plus the Cypriot economy is also going to be completely trashed in coming weeks and months.
The big problem is it appears to have been a preconsidered action on the part of the German Finance Minister, who was acting under the orders of his Boss, PM Merkel. And the IMF and Legarde are deeply implicated in it too. They all knew what they were about to do. But even if they claimed it was completely accidental, and unintended, first the Russians will not believe that, and they will want to make proportionate reprisals - and they probably will.
Bottom-line, it has all the indications of a calculated hit on the banks, designed to take out the Russian money - and not just 10%, but possibly 100% of it. So apart from anything else, this is now quite a problem in its own right, and I suspect we don't fully appreciate how serious this may be.
You see, if this was a deliberate financial attack, it would explain why the ECB was doing nothing, because no one can explain why this occurred, why it was let to unnravel as the ECB sat back and did nothing, and said nothing, for days.
This is not a good look.
"deliberate financial attack"? it's now one bloody year that Cyprus is saying that their banks are in trouble. all that is happening is that several countries are debating who gives how much to bail them out - Germany, the Netherlands, Finnland et al - the eurozoners - are willing to chip in 10bn if Cyprus finds the other 7bn
I don't remember the eurozoners forcing Iceland or Cyprus to become great financial centers with dozens of millions of banking assets and liabilities per head of population, making them too big to bail out locally
Germany went in high and asked for 40% levy, fully knowing in advance that such a levy would have catastrophic implications, that would have destroyed the banks anyway. That it would not save the banks, but fully tip them over the edge. And it would cause a huge disturbance in the farce, sorry, the Eurozone.
The Cypriot PM abandoned talks and walked out, twice, in disgust at the suicidal offer Germany was proposing, because he knew 40% was impossible and obviously a disingenuous offer.
Several proposals later they propose ~10% and are told even this is very unlikely to pass a vote by Monday morning. Germany ignores that warning, fully understanding that if it doesn't pass that they'll have a situation as per now, and they did nothing.
So Germany was clearly not really interested in making this work, and was willing to take a very high risk of this spiralling into a significant crisis, and of the potential for Cyprus to leave the Eurozone in a disorderly way.
So the banks are now destroyed and the Russians will probably loose all of their deposits, or a major portion of them. Germany knew this was going to happen and they let it happen and the ECB did nothing. Their rough-house game of financial chicken failed. They still could have prevented a spiral degradation of the situation and a contagion-spread towards the core, but still, they have done nothing. Fine, that's their choice.
But it sure looks a lot like it was a calculated means to destroy these banks and their deposits, not a way to save them. Many people are saying this and wondering about why nothing was done when the vote had failed. So that angle is going to be explored in detail probably by thousands of people, so get adjusted to it.
At this point there's maybe too much personality, mistrust and pride involved for resolution, so an acrimonious divorce is looking likely. And "other plans" are being made. Frankly, it looks like this is exactly what Germany expected to occur, and they are certainly just letting it happen.
And that is a considered choice of the German Govt and ECB, and that is what Russia is going to be seeing. So even if Russia coughed up the money, the banks are still roadkill. And that looks a lot like a calculated outcome.
interesting - I get from some sources that the dynamics in those meetings was slightly different - including the Cypriot Finance Minister, the British Cypriot guy that just came back from Russia - walking out of the meeting because he felt that the big accounts were hit too hard, and was only willing to discuss further when they offered the scheme of hitting the accounts smaller than 100'000, too
only a Cypriot National Bank governor could have had the data to make such a calculation, I thought
now I hear they want to have a "Cypriot Solution" that includes the Cypriot Church. I miss the details of what they get for the money - I still understand that it's bank shares
a free alliance does mean that the members are free to leave it - it's a confederative principle - orderly or disorderly is after all a question of choice and moment
for me it looks increasingly unlikely that Cyprus will leave the eurozone. Just think what the Cypriot Pound would have done if still tradable, instead of being enbedded in the EUR
re "Germany went in high and asked for 40% levy" (on the over 100k accounts) meanwhile I hear this was the IMF's position
Contraction in a grow-or-die paradigm is deadly... Think of the leverage that's out there. Think of the nastly off-table bets (derivatives) that are propping everything up (and are MAD GROWTH-SEEKING MINES).
A no vote means vote again- N Sarkozy aka the angry dwarf.
Nein means Nein, herr Merkel!
There are translations of bitcoin information being disseminated to Cyprians as we speak. Spain citizens have spiked the hell out of popular bitcoin apps, and we've rallied $10 bucks since the Cyprus news has broken out.
Go ahead banksters, your move.
Rioting?!
This guy is on the right track!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFwP5JbCcAAtyJ5.jpg
Cyprus should send this guy to Russia to negotiate. Something tells me he will get along with Putin famously.
Tuesday Humor:
For all the players out there --
http://wallstreetfool.com/2013/03/19/financial-humor-for-all-the-players...
I told that philosophy to my two boys when they were teens. One took it to heart, the other not so much.
Me? Fuck no. You should see some of the girls my smart son disses. Damn.
What do you call the other son?
brings to mind the one about a Mexican fireman with 2 sons. What did he name them?
It means Goldman Sucks gets to override any Parliamentary votes and force a bailout through the barrel of a gun. Blankfein will just install himself as the new leader of Cyprus by banker decree.
Not sure if the Russians will sign on on this.
Oh well... we can always start project Venus I guess..
Happy to have you on board comrade!
moar clusterfuck
Silly humans
I think CD nailed this yesterday, when he said the root of the whole thing is panic, but why?
Why panic over a tiny debt in a GDP the size of Vermont?
In a word - derivatives.
They have to cover up any banking center, because once a few toxic derivatives see the light of day, the ponzi is dead.
They have learned nothing, and appear to be learning nothing. Have a nice day, Benny.
root of the whole thing is panic, but why?
Because Cyprus's central bank governor is named Panicos Demetriades.
What would a Russian ``deal`` with Cyprus means? Doom is what it would means.
Russia can just annex Cyprus, re-name it "Cyprussia."
you mean CypRus? there is a British military base there, remember?
Yeah, why would they do a "deal" with Russia when they can do a "deal" with the EU, which offers them SO MUCH MOAR- they can stay a member of the Mickey Mouse Club! Pay and you get to wear the stupid Mickey ears, if you go we're going to shoot ourselves- WE'RE SERIOUS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
Worst. Party. Names. Ever.
Combine em into one like the Democratic Progressive Ecological Conservative EuroPeon ItsAllTheFuckinSame Party. They ain't got shit on Golden Dawn or The Rent is Too Damn High Parties.
Well, at least some of them are partially honest --- the two that have the word "Movement" in their names.
My questions are:
1) What was the Goldman involvement the sale of Greek bonds to Cyprian banks? This deal seems like it has squid suction cup marks all over it.
2) Who are the counterparties on the "international" bond that Cyprus is to pay off in June ?
Excellent questions. Too bad we will never know. That is, until it all collapses.
The Russian navy is about as threatening as the French army.
You are incredibly naive.
Also Cyprus converts to the Rouble, Russian Hunter Killer subs stationed in Cyprus sink ships with US arms supplying Syrian rebels, station some Russian nukes on the island. Cypriots convince Greece to default on all their debts and to adopt the Rouble as well, Spain thinks why not? And repudiates debt and converts to the Rouble. Rest of the EU sinks without trace, Spain and Greece the only not failed states help Russia take over the rest of the EU. New Iron Curtain starts at the English Channel.
No sure that it could go this far, but I think that you're right that this will be the general direction. BUT... I think that the defaulting countries are just going to go with their own currencies.
With whose help? Even Iceland got the IMF loan.
USA buys Cyprus and gets British bases and Natural Gas rights.
just deafault and bring this fuckin dreamworld toits knees
I am so sick of extend and pretend
Plea to Polkiticains in Cyprus
be men and defaULT
I think extend-and-pretend is exactly what's gonna happen. First, some short-term fix to get past the June bond deadline, moving any serious payments until after the German elections. Then once past the elections, Germany will come thru with a bond purchase rescue plan that will be long forgotten next election cycle.
Extend-and-pretend has shown itself to "work", time after time. When the SHTF the current ruling crowd will be long gone. There's your cue: when Merkel leaves (or is thrown out) the end is near...but not before.
Right, but they can't keep the banks closed until June.
5.) Default triggers Derivatives as Jim Cramer and the other Cheerleaders try to contain contagion and the whole thing goes up in smoke in a few short months leading to a huge war. Get your caves ready!
What are the realistic implications for us here in the states? Seriously. Should we expect a bank run here?
think 2015
so still time to prepare and look for exit strategies.
Believe me, it's harder than it sounds.
yep 2015 says martin armstrong
You guys must be really fun at parties.
"For our own good", the Fed does not release details (or even broad, general figures) on how much money it has lent abroad, under what conditions, with what collateral.....
"Should we expect a bank run here?" Depends, how much do you trust our bankers / politicians / bureaucrats to defend YOUR interests intelligently?
Or you could cast it as a percentage: "I am willing to lose XX% of the money I have in the bank due to circumstances unforseen (or unforseeable, see Taleb) by my elected / unelected / unknown representatives".
Adjust the "money I have in the bank" term until you feel comfortable with whatever level you suspect "XX%" will be.
Did that help?
Yeah thanks. Just trying to put things into perspective. I try to diversify my tangibles into lead au and ag. Got a good supply of cash on hand too. I am short treasuries and its making me nervous as i have a good amount in scottrade :(
It's no good shorting treasuries, that means you are long USD. And the Fed controls both.
Maxing out my ATM withdrawals every day, started Sunday... it's not like my cash is earning anything, right uncle Shalom?
be careful with this approach, you could get flagged for "structuring", in which case you will be SWAT team'ed, and have your FRNs confiscated because you "might do something illegal with them". FYI - those green slips of paper, in fact, do not belong to you.
PLAN B
Google maps...
1 photoshop guy...
Erase cyprus of the maps...
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!
Hummm, that might just work. The only thing that matters in today's world is the virtual world anyways.
What's this "Cyprus" that everyone is talking about?
I hear it's a tree or something.
I think it's some hill somewhere in California, crappy stoner musicians live near it. It's in zip code 90420 I think.
Coup?
Cyprus has a choice. Where do you want to follow Iceland or Greece?
Just on BBC2 Newsnight a Cypriat MP says if they cant finnd the 5-6 billion in a few days they will leave the EU and go back to the Cypriat pound.
So these guys aren't bluffing
EU will blink and give em the money, they are too cowardice not to. German will be hit very hard when euro finally collapses and the bonds it holds of these countries turn up worthless and they have to adjust their balance sheet accordingly.
Iceland is the model. No one wanted Icelandic money - for a while. Now all is fine.
It would be the best thing to do for the Cypriot people therefore imo it probably will not happen.
I have a feeling the Euro zone will indeed blink.
Cyprus has options - that's more than can be said for the ECB.
In all of recorded history, is there any example of the euroclowns not blinking?
It's easy for them to blink when Uncle Bennie gives them our money to blink with.
Uncle Ben only swaps - and whatever is swapped has to be swapped back
ECB, European Council, European Parliament, European Commission, Council of Ministers
It was easier to deal with these Europeans when they were like two dozen countries.
this is an excellent point. why? because before their governments did not meet that often? Brussels is nothing else than a facility. a club house. or do you mean everything was easier when Uncle Sam had more clout, here, and told them what to do, usually as suggested by the UK government?
europeans still are lots of sovereign countries with their own parliaments, taxes and armies. and opinions
Yep, it's just like I posted the last few days, so many were buying the false paradigm that the bankers were selling that there were ONLY 2 options...Bad (-10%) or Worse (-100%). Of course these were dreamed up by the bankers for the bankers. I said if this was voted down, the other options that were killed in the smoke filled back room would magically surface. And what do we have in this article? About 6 different options now for Cyprus! And if there are 6 more options being floated now, you can bet there are at least 6 more options, that are being worked on in that same smoke filled back room. Cyprus is going to feel pain, there is no doubt about it. But they at least now have some control over that pain. It's the only way to beat the bankers. Don't play by their rules. Don't buy their solutions. Call the bluff and you will be stronger and they will be weaker. When the banks figure out they can't rape the people anymore, they will turn on themselves. They are by their nature cannibals.
What the author excludes I think is the religious fervour with which the EU leaders regard their creation, and the Euro is a key part of that. I cannot imagine that they will allow Cyprus to leave the Euro, because it would be tantamount to heresy. So the only real path left then is for them to print moar money.
i.e., 'blink'
More like if Cyprus leaves the Euro it is tantamount to some banks' loans not being paid back. That's the heresy.
And that "moar money" will mean "moar austerity" to those countries making the "loans." I'm thinking that at some point the regular people in the EU will have had enough (pretty much as Nigel Farage puts).
Figure also that this does NOTHING to correct the underlying problems.
Cyprus has what the EU wants/NEEDS, energy. It will make NO deal that doesn't contain some provisions for opening up the valves...
you think so? watch us saying "bye bye" to any country leaving the EUR - of course with an "you are welcome back anytime" - at the moment we are the bastards not chipping in the full 17bn necessary to bail out the Cypriot banks, remember? do you have spare change? 7bn, perhaps?
let's be realistic here. At the last second, they will come up with some scheme, possibly change the rules around or outright ignore them (not a crazy thought there), and provide the funds from somewhere. Those in power will not let something as tiny as Cyprus destablilize the system and therefore jeopardize their own power. Once an agreement is made, buy the fucking dip and short vxx with everything you got.
'provide the funds from somewhere'
Shit, it's free money.
Why would euroclowns 'stand on principle,' when they don't have any?
The underlying realities are NOT "tiny." People need to quit being distracted by this phony money shit.
The fight is for control of the NG fields. In essence, it's a fight to quit being bitches to Russia, though it is highly unlikely that development of these fields will really occur given that Russia might retaliate by turning down the valves a bit on supplies to Europe (and then you have even more internal unrest). It is ALL about pushing Russia out. The EU is going to fall apart regardless of the outcome here.
Will Russia turn off the Russian Natural Gas pipeline to Europe if the USA gets the Cyprus Natural Gas rights?
It's not like the fields can be developed in a month or two. This is going to take a LONG time. And in the meantime, as the EU is already crumbling, Russia can jack the rates up.
But to answer your question, NO. Russia needs revenues. They have to upper hand ONLY because the EU is WAY dependent on imported energy.
One interesting question/scenario might be (as I contemplate the idea of the "USA" getting rights) whether the Fed might perform the bailout by way of "investing" in the NG "assets."
A deal will be struck, no contagion, all back to normal middle of next week...move along nothing to see here. The Germans won't let a little blip like this threaten their plans.
Germany will pay. They have no choice. I am a bit puzzled why it hasnt happened yet but looming elections explain some of it and leave me still unsatisfied with that poor explanation. At this point however, given that they revealed quite clearly that deposits are a fair game, should Germany pay? a bit too late but they still will pay.
We know Germany pushed for the deposit raid idea
We know Merkel is pretty tight with Putin: ergo high probability he had advanced warning / opportunity to argue for another solution
We are told the numbers are tiny. But it only makes sense if Jim Sinclair is right and the amount needed and raid able is far bigger (10 times) than the alleged 8-10 billion.
the Germans Just could be happy to cut Cyprus adrift and get the Cain reaction started prior to a trade hook up with Russia.
No way do we really know who is playing what cards and why. The players are not behaving as if the pot is a measly 10 billion
"No way do we really know who is playing what cards and why."
I think I have a pretty good idea (it's not all that hard to figure out): I've commented plenty enough times already, so I'll spare repeating.
"The players are not behaving as if the pot is a measly 10 billion"
That observation right there should be the BIG TIP-OFF!
This has very little to do with some paltry numbers in some tiny country's banks. It's an STRATEGIC issue. Think Brzezinski (Grand Chess Board). Don't be distracted by all the puppets dancing around on stage.
Surround and Isolate the Enemy ...
It's not even that as much as it is about just having control of energy. The EU (big US market, which is why US interest is here) needs to diversify its energy dependencies*.
* But, really, when you're broke this seems near pointless.
Those scenarios make sense, but scenario 2 has around 0% probability, "the north" has had it... Scenario 1 and 4 are mutually exclusive, people should not underestimate Cypriotian stupidity. The guys in charge honestly think that a lower levy would prevent a bank run after the banks reopen and that this would leave their financial sector unharmed. LOL. They are willing to gamble. People should not be too critical of the "trojka" in this matter, Cyprus is a ticking time bomb that would have exploded long ago if the ECB had not enabled ELA. The whole business model of Cyprus is based upon fraud, but nobody there wants to admit that
The whole business model of the U.S. is based on fraud.
Don't you mean the whole US "banking" model is based in fraud?
I don't personally view fractional banking in this light -- although, maybe I should.
But, don't bring legitimate business into this stuff which looks more like cronyistic economic fascism (master-minded by the politicians, in large part).
'Or, "corporatism", if "fascism" is too strong for your liking.
Or croynism, which is basically fascism without the tang. Pick on, it's game over for freedom.
I like the party names. Seems they are trying to differentiate the socialists from the communists.
DICKO vs. DISNEY.
It's like Mickey Mouse with a hard-on.
Why not have Bernanke bail them out?
Since NATO is taking over those British bases, it's quite logical for Ben to chip in.
Freedumb ain't free, and neither are new satellite nations.
"Freedumb ain't free"
I'm stealing that one! :-)
I'm not sure if you're joking, but I failed to take note of the non-joke aspect of this (until I came back around here). I think that this question needs to be asked.
CAN the Fed invest in Cyprian "NG bonds?"
The EU is out of ammo. The EU and US clown show desperately don't want Russia's meat hooks sinking in any deeper (and would like to extricate them).
OT anyone use the new options on treasuries?
i did and it leads to vagina dryness...
but everyone said that the banking crisis was contained and behind us....even msnbc said so....what happened? could we please get dick bove to write a special zh op-ed explaining how this problem does not exist? or if he is not available, jon hilsenrath, or if he is not available jamie dimon or my all time favorite paul krugman?
hilsenwrath just said we're gonna get a green flag from the Fed tomorrow, I guess he's been hanging with the NASCAR crowd (and somehow not gotten his ass kicked?)
Maria told me today that there's nothing to worry about, that's good enough for me !
There were 36 nos and 19 abstentions, which means that only one person voted for the legislation.
http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/cyprus-roundup-march-19/
Nope, that 1 was not present :)
Was waiting in line at an ATM
Or simply fled
the cyprus thingie is a flea in the cupboard. The Eu showed its bureaucratic strong arm tactic and its an awesome botch up.
That is the bottom line; the internal division in the EU will get worse; north and south divide; unless they change their ways; if they can as this crisis is bigger than them.
The bail-in strategy of uber wealth has to be imposed by each country BY DUE PROCESS NOT BY STRoNG ARM COERCION.
If they don't have the balls to do it in each country then its game over for that country who doesn't do it; thats the way to go.
Thats the spirit of the Euro project as common currency; its confederal in each sovereign. The common bank bail out is now undoable on joint and several basis.
ONE THING IS VERY APPARENT THE VOICE OF FRANCE AS BALANCING COUNTRY IS TOTALLY ABSENT in EU, AS HOLLANDE AND MERKEL CANNOT WORK TOGETHER. SO HE LEAVES HER THE FLOOR, UNLIKE SARKO, WHO MADE HIS VOICE HEARD.
Maybe that is why we have the current German dumb bumbling, nobody there to present the south case with coherence.
GERMANY HAS OPTED OUT OF THE EURO CURRENCY. THE EUROPEAN UNION WILL REMAIN. IT HAS MANUFACTURED THIS CRISIS FOR THIS END RESULT.
OPTION 4 WILL ACHIEVE THIS END RESULT. THIS IS MY VOTE.
THE DEUTSCHE MARK IS IN PLACE. THEY HAVE THE LEGISLATION IN PLACE TO PROTECT THEIR OWN BANKING SYSTEM. AUSTRIA ET AL, WILL JOIN THE USE OF THE DM.
TARGET 2 BALANCES WILL REMAIN OUTSTANDING AND OWING TO GERMANY. IT WILL BE THE TOOL FOR GERMANY / BUNDESBANK TO CONTINUE FINANCIAL CONTROL OF THE REST OF THE EUROPEAN UNION NATION STATES.
AGREEMENTS/DISAGREEMENTS.......AND YOU SAY WHAT?
I say the use of Capitol letters is a bit much as your poignant statement got lost in SCREAMTEXTING. I could see this. Hard to bank with others if their banks are junk, however.
my apologies. objection to capitals noted. thank you.
My krass attitude should not deter from a sentient thought. I worry that letting the others fend for themselves would trigger a water fall of CDS'.
your attitde is and was delicate.
the world is manipulated by the eugenics loving few - the imaginary derivative giant was conjured up for this very reason - to manipulate. control and profits will be had in the upside of the conjuring as well as the downside collapse of that same conjuring.....
You know your stuff! +1
Yes he does. It was all planned from the beginning. What a riot.
AGREEMENTS/DISAGREEMENTS.......AND YOU SAY WHAT?
Molon labe.
Germany will have to 'seize the Rhinelands' of the debtor nations.
How many divisions does Merkel have?
molon labe - must be used in past tense. germany has already conquered.
the dissolution of the euro is with the support of the FED/USA.
it will extend/support the US$ reserve currency status. This status has been severely challenged by China et al.
Huh. Interesting idea. Might even want to go long FX Eu/USD?