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Guest Post: Time To Plan For The Worst Rather Than Hope For The Best

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Preparation for disaster, whether natural or man-made, should be as vital as any ideal found in the various practices of religion and spiritualism. Preparedness should be treated with reverence, discipline and duty. The drive for preparation should be seated in the very heart of humanity. As individuals and as a society, we should hold preparedness dear, for it is an expression of the desire for survival and the key to maintaining our inherent freedoms. Without self-sufficiency, we set ourselves up for endless failure and enslavement.

Preparedness must be approached with passionate resolve; otherwise, there is no point. Halfhearted survivalists are just as likely, if not more likely, to get themselves killed as the average oblivious urbanite and suburbanite. Unfortunately, even in the liberty movement, I have come across many halfhearted and lazy survivalists who would rather hope for the best than prepare for the worst.

The primary issue has always been one of “distraction.” Even those who are fully informed of the very real and immediate dangers to our economy and our Nation as a whole find it difficult not to get wrapped up in the concerns of the old America. Mind-numbing job environments, superficial family dramas, television hypnosis, Facebook narcissism, consumer addictions, improving one’s perceived social status: all of these things waste precious time in our daily lives, making us weak and sapping our resiliency. They encourage us toward apathy. Always, we are telling ourselves: “I did nothing today, but tomorrow will be different.”

I hear many excuses and conflicts in my work as an economic analyst and preparedness adviser. Some come from people who are already in the liberty movement and should know better. Others come from people who for one reason or another seek to dissuade us from personal preparation. Here are just a handful of the many irrational arguments against survival planning that I am confronted with on a daily basis.

"Prepping Is For Crazy People And Chicken Littles"

Catastrophes occur all the time. Sometimes they are regional, sometimes they are national, and sometimes they are global. Since the age of the baby boomer, America has been spared widespread disaster for the most part, and this has bred in us a deep-rooted normalcy bias. We wander about in ignorance, thinking that tomorrow will always be just as comfortable as today and that because we have never witnessed real pain and suffering, we likely never will. To me, this attitude is far more unbalanced and insane than the forward-thinking mindset of the average prepper.

Hilariously, survivalists are called “crazy” simply because they refuse to operate on foolish assumptions like the rest of society. We know from modern historical example — from the Great Depression to Weimar Germany to the collapse of the Soviet Union, Bosnia, Argentina, Greece, etc. — that the prepared and independent live, while the rest often die. We refuse to assume, especially in light of recent events, that such calamity will not occur in the United States.

"Survivalism Is Stigmatized By Unpleasant Associations"

It’s true, propaganda organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center have gone out of their way to attack and marginalize survival culture. They seek to draw false associations between us and racist, extremist domestic terrorist, blah, blah, blah. In the end, none of this matters. The SPLC is an irrelevant entity clamoring desperately for relevance, and America’s survival communities continue to grow despite their subversive activities. The truth, once recognized, has a way of steamrolling over groups of liars.

Individual preppers and potential preppers need to stop worrying about what everyone else thinks and do what they need to do to ensure the longevity of themselves and their families. Labels are only as powerful as the credence we give them.

"My Family Is Not On Board"

I hear this one all the time; and, really, it doesn’t matter. If you can’t take preparatory actions without constant approval from your family, then perhaps you need to examine your family dynamic rather than throwing away your survival plans. Doing the right thing is not reliant on the affirmations of a spouse or relative. Doing the right thing means taking action regardless of the obstacle, even if that obstacle is family.

It might not seem like it now, but survivalism is worth all those late-night quarrels, angry stares and sarcastic rolling eyes. If they can’t accept that preparedness is a part of your life, then that is ultimately their problem, not yours. You can continue in the knowledge that, one day, they will thank you for ignoring their ankle-biting and self-absorption.

"I’m Always Too Busy"

No one is too busy for preparedness. Much of what the average American does each day is designed to distract and entertain him, rather than enrich him in a useful way. The sad reality of the American lifestyle is that it revolves around the desire to avoid being alone with our own thoughts. In fact, the consumer ideology thrives on people’s need to fill the vacuum with incessant entertainment and diversion. Much of what we call being “busy” is actually a self-created matrix of illusory and shallow amusement designed to help us forget the more important and vexing matters of the world.

Turn off the TV, skip a few parties, rethink the career you hate, take your eyes off your damn iPhone for a day and consider what is really important. Stop worrying about what is comfortable and accept that very soon all the conveniences you now find yourself attached to may disappear anyway. Wean yourself off the teat of the establishment now or be forced to go cold turkey later. These are your options. Get used to it.

"I Can’t Afford To Prepare"

In some cases, I find this to be true. We are, after all, in the midst of an economic collapse, and many Americans are indeed falling into poverty. However, in at least half of the instances where I hear this excuse, it turns out not to be true.

Every survivalist starts out with nothing. He first builds a foundation, usually with a storage made up of essential bulk foods, and then expands. Food is the greatest Achilles’ heel of our culture. With the freight system our country has in place, grocery stores keep little to no real inventory and only a normal week’s worth of supplies on the shelf at any given time. During a crisis, this food disappears within hours, not days. Any imbalance in our freight system (like an explosion in gas prices) would result in a complete loss of national supply. A mere six weeks of disruption (as things stand today) would likely wipe out about 80 percent to 90 percent of the U.S. population through starvation.

Today, a single paycheck ($600 to $1,200) could be used to purchase enough dry bulk foods to last a family of four close to a year. Though variety may be lost, at least starvation is averted. Yet, many people, including those in the liberty movement, do not have even a year’s supply of basic staples, despite their low cost. If every family in the United States used one paycheck to purchase a food foundation, the effects of an economic collapse would be vastly minimized.

"I Like The Convenience Of The City, Even Though It Will Be Dangerous During Collapse"

The city is a distraction addict’s paradise. There is always something to mesmerize the senses at any given hour. On top of this, many cities are slathered with Federal funds, which the cities use to pour into beautification projects that give residents the illusion of economic improvement and progress. On a recent speaking tour in the Los Angeles area, I was reminded of the conundrum of the city environment. Millions of people on welfare and food stamps, exponential homelessness, massive potential for violence and destruction: yet they are surrounded by sharp, sleek, new shopping centers and refurbished business districts. The reality of many cities is that they are financially imploding, but on the surface everything glows like gold. This gives the average person and even some preppers a false sense of security.

If they refuse to move away from their beloved metropolis, preppers should at least have a retreat location relatively far from the area — at minimum, a day’s drive away and several days’ walking distance. If you do not have this, you are not prepared. The bottom line is: more people, more problems. Anyone who claims otherwise has never studied the collapse histories of other modernized nations.

"What’s The Point Of Preparing? You’re All Going To Die Anyway"

This is the nihilist argument, and it’s my favorite. Nihilists are weak-minded and weak-spirited people who realize, at least subconsciously, that they are incapable of struggle and survival. Deep down, they feel shame and self-loathing. But they would never admit to this openly. Instead, they project their weaknesses on the rest of humanity. In their mind, if they can’t survive, nobody can survive. By assuming that their weakness is everybody’s weakness, they protect their own fragile ego and avoid admitting that they are the only ones that have no chance of weathering a disaster.

"Stop Living In Fear: Humanity Is Adaptable, Technology Will Save Us"

This is probably the most idiotically pretentious philosophy being peddled around the liberty movement today, and it stems from what I call “delusional optimism.” You see, looking into the abyss and accepting the fact that you are about to be pushed over the edge is a difficult thing to do. Some people respond to the terror through fantasy. They imagine that the worst could not possibly happen, that there will be no consequences, that the pain of hitting the bottom will not be so bad, that in mid-drop someone will come along and teach them to fly. They search and search for that silver bullet solution that will save them from the wretched horror of full-blown social destruction.

This delusion manifests itself in many ways, but lately I have seen it coalesce in a movement toward technology worship.

Hell, I’m a fan of new technologies, too. And I certainly believe that many of them are suppressed by the establishment to keep the masses physically and psychologically dependent. That said, I am not foolhardy enough to believe that the mere presence of these technologies alone will save us from fiscal collapse and totalitarianism. Given time (lots of time), new technologies could help the masses break away from the mainstream system. This is time, I’m sorry to say, that we do not have. As I have discussed in recent articles on our economic situation, any tremor in the global system will be enough to send the entire edifice crashing down.

Hoping for a slow steady grind until we are able to adopt fantastic new tech is pushing the envelope of logic.

We already have the technological capability for the average person to live comfortably off the grid with electricity and other amenities we have grown fond of; yet the establishment elites are still in power, and they are still engineering numerous misfortunes. Until they are removed from power, no amount of invention is going to change a thing.  The technological fantasy is used by many people to avoid the reality that a very ugly fight is coming, and whether they like it or not, they may have to one day experience and perhaps even participate in that ugliness.

Finally, survivalists do not do what they do out of fear. We do what we do out of love. We love freedom. We love the principles of liberty that founded this country. We love our children and seek to secure their futures. We are not afraid of collapse, because we are ready for collapse. We do not need to con ourselves with false optimism and false hope, because we have already strengthened our souls with reason and courage. True survivalists are exactly what every American should be already; honorable individuals steeped in the confidence of their own ability to handle any adversity, no matter how monstrous it may be.


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Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:46 | 3363690 Fukushima Sam
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Lots of unknown unknowns out there, hard to get them all...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:49 | 3363692 Spirit Of Truth
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Just took out $5K in cash....just in case that the "flaw" in Greenspan's idiocy leads to a global contagion from the banking panic developing from Cyprus...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:53 | 3363712 TheFourthStooge-ing
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So Jesus doesn't even save anymore?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:59 | 3363731 MillionDollarBonus_
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Could somebody please explain to me exactly what is wrong with a FIXED rate levy on all bank deposits? I still don't understand.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:01 | 3363742 McMolotov
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It's fascist. Next question.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:10 | 3363788 MillionDollarBonus_
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Why? It makes sense. The government needs more money, and US bank deposits total 10 trillion dollars. If our government levies just 5% of this, that's 500 billion dollars that could go toward government spending.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:12 | 3363806 McMolotov
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Why? It makes sense.

Uh huh. So does killing the children of morons such as yourself to prevent further harm to the gene pool. Nonetheless, it's still wrong.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:28 | 3364328 Itch
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" So does killing the children of morons such as yourself to prevent further harm to the gene pool." ...It didnt stop Americans from trying it.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:48 | 3364383 BooMushroom
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...fifty million since Roe v Wade.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 01:38 | 3365003 ronaldawg
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I'm long canned sardines......

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:12 | 3365365 rajat_bhatia
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"collapse histories of other modernized nations." Do you have any list of such books?would really appreciate  

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 17:22 | 3366694 zipit
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"The Rise and Fall of ___," to be published later this century.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:16 | 3363815 Race Car Driver
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> The government needs more money ...

Then it can just have more printed out of thin fucking air if it needs it so damn badly.

And - 500B is chump change anyhow - not even half a year's budget, these days.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:35 | 3363936 MillionDollarBonus_
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It's still something. At least I'm trying to solve the problem. What are YOU doing to help?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:51 | 3364009 Race Car Driver
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The only thing I'm trying to help right now is myself go Galt. You should do the same. If everyone went Galt, a lot of problems would go away and solutions would come out of the woodwork.

Stop feeding this beast and it will die on it's own from starvation and lack of attention.


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:02 | 3364051 TheFourthStooge-ing
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MillionDollarBonus_ said:

It's still something. At least I'm trying to solve the problem.

You don't seem all that sincere about it. If you were really trying to help, you'd sign up the government into your program of selling Herbalife products.

Why don't you want to let them get in on that opportunity?

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 01:41 | 3365007 ronaldawg
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I'm starting to agree that MDB is just being sarcastic....  He must have a very lonely life.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:51 | 3364552 mick_richfield
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 What are YOU doing to help?

Preparing for the new world.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 02:59 | 3365050 ronaldawg
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I just had a scary thought - what about all those people that need medications to survive? - guess they are DEAD and fairly quickly too. 

Personally I haven't taken anything but a couple of aspirin in the past ten years.  The "herd" is going to thin out quickly if the SHTF.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 08:18 | 3365185 Tango in the Blight
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This is covered in the novel "One Second After" by William Forschten.There is a harrowing passage in it where the main character's daughter dies after he runs out of the last bottle of insuline (she was a type I diabetic). You survive as long as you have the medicine you need to survive. Then you die.








Sat, 03/23/2013 - 11:21 | 3365482 Punch Bag
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Mdb you really don't get it do you? It is too late.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:14 | 3363820 TeamDepends
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Stop!  You're killing us!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:33 | 3363921 enloe creek
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honestly a weath tax and especially an estate tax is going to be the answer. not because it is right, but because incomes won't be enough. so accross the board 40% one off tax on all wealth sounds good.


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:00 | 3364227 SilverDOG
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enloe creek,



Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:35 | 3363938 Dick Buttkiss
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You're a hoot, MDB. Can't believe how many don't get the sarcasm.

Keep it up.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:49 | 3364001 Van Halen
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I get the sarcasm but there are way too many people in this country who feel we don't do enough for the government and that the the governmnet is a benevolent body with the best of intentions. Remember in the early 1990's when the Clinton crowd were convincing people that we needed to "Donate to the debt" and school kids were collecting coins to send to the government? That's the kind of stupidity you're up against every day - and the kind that the 3000 of them use to control the 320 million of us.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:38 | 3364355 Chuck Walla
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"The government needs more money".

"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living."




Sat, 03/23/2013 - 09:57 | 3365328 GMadScientist
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Ketchup is a vegetable!

Here have some shoulder-mounted rockets and drones...pass em out to the boys.

$450M for the Afghan Airforce...None Fly Higher!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:54 | 3364022 Kirk2NCC1701
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"The government needs more money".

They always do, and one's ability to pay can never meet one's "wants" or proclaimed "needs". I always need more, you do we al do.  But w/o checks & balances, the thing metastasizes into a fiscal cancer.

Ever heard of the gold-digger chick, of whom they said:  She needs a donkey to carry her credit cards, and a millionaire/billionaire to pay them.  Well the "chick" is the Gov.  and the Millionaire/ Billionaire are the people of the country who can and still do carry the debt burden (via taxes paid).

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:03 | 3364053 css1971
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Man that's scary.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:33 | 3364342 howenlink
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The government is not entitled to one second of my life.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 02:09 | 3365011 ronaldawg
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I already spend my 3 years 9 months and 3 days in the Marines - I don't owe anymore - the gubermint can BLOW ME.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:38 | 3364812 WhackoWarner
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My dear heart. if you agree with having your labours stolen let me spare you the middle man. I will give you my address and every dollar you earn you can send me 5%. I Promise I will use it well.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:43 | 3364828 WhackoWarner
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Where do tou live? Is there a nearby tree of any size? Got a couple of minutes? I have a rope and a clear solution to your confusion.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:43 | 3364829 WhackoWarner
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Where do tou live? Is there a nearby tree of any size? Got a couple of minutes? I have a rope and a clear solution to your confusion.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:45 | 3364832 WhackoWarner
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See? I offered twice to solve your confusion for free.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:45 | 3364833 WhackoWarner
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See? I offered twice to solve your confusion for free.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 23:06 | 3364880 StychoKiller
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The Govt DOES NOT NEED more munny, we need LESS GOVT!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:03 | 3363758 Charles Nelson ...
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not understading that is the least of your worries, hoss.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:05 | 3363763 semperfi
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Please send me 10% of your bank account and I'll gladly answer that.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:08 | 3363792 ziggy59
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Ask your 5 yr old if you can take and give away 10% of her barbie dolls to her worst enemy...she'll lurn ya!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:09 | 3363795 clawsthatscratch
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Not a problem: just transfer all of your savings to a local bank in Cyprus and you will understand shortly

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:06 | 3364064 puskin
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No need to invest overseas to lose your cash to a bad haircut. Big Ben's about to be the biggest barber in the Western Hemisphere.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 00:38 | 3364959 logically possible
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Ben already has given us all a haircut, you just haven't realized the effects yet.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:12 | 3363814 harami
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It's not high enough, Uncle Sam needs moar.  After all, they know better what to do with our money.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:52 | 3364012 GeezerGeek
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I need moar too!

In the immortal words sung by Gracie Slick, "I'd rather have my country die for me."

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:32 | 3364503 Race Car Driver
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You dumbass Boomers - perpetual children - are gonna die brainwashed. You'll never wake up because you won't let go of your childhood.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:53 | 3364554 mick_richfield
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Somebody needs a hug.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 02:11 | 3365025 ronaldawg
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Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:46 | 3363987 Van Halen
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1. You put your money into a bank to either stay put or grow. Not to pay out to the government quarterly, annually, or anything else.

2. The government already taxes us way too much as it is already. The goods and services they provide do not match their overtaxation and misuse of funds. Name three government programs run efficiently at or below cost. 

3. The government does not need another penny. Not one more. Ask yourself where the last oh, sixty years of tax revenue went. It's all gone, and then the government ran up trillions in debt on top of that.

4. The idea that the government needs to get into bank deposits should be setting off alarm bells in your head. If your government has gotten to the point of having to reach into your bank account for yet more revenue, something has gone terribly wrong.


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:11 | 3364078 IridiumRebel
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Do private chat with me and I'll levy your shit personally. Just send it to me and skip the middle man. I got some fuckin bills, yo! SNAP shit ain't cutting it and I went over my shit on da Obamaphone minutes so PAY ME BITCH.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:58 | 3364224 PiratePawpaw
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Levy all you want. There is nothing left in accounts that I dont control that I cant afford to lose.

If it was something I couldnt afford to lose, I moved it to where it couldnt be found long ago.

Levy those naive enough to have anything levyable at 100%. It just buys me a little more time. :)

See you on the other side. (I'll be the guy NOT in rags eating dirt)

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:41 | 3364823 WhackoWarner
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Wonderful plan but; Where can you put assets out of reach if the whole world gets on board with this "test case" (test case the 2nd or 3rd) of outright theft.


I am unable to hide it all under my mattress.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 08:16 | 3365186 johnQpublic
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thats what i keep thinking

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:42 | 3364370 purplefrog
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You are so funny, oh thou chops buster, chain puller, red ass giver!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 23:41 | 3364920 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Could somebody please explain to me exactly what is wrong with a FIXED rate levy on all bank deposits? I still don't understand."

I'll tell you the problem MDB.  That won't be enough.  There is currently INFINTE demand for spending by our government.   The more they take, the more they will spend.  The more they spend, the more they will take.  No amount will EVER be enough.  You are just another brainwashed dupe believing that government is the most important thing in everyone's life and you must be willing to sacrifice above all else for that government.  I think you should kill yourself and give everything you have to the government.  That would be a good start.  You won't be around to be a burden to your beloved government.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 11:16 | 3365469 Punch Bag
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A bit rough bmus. He asked a question and you told him to top himself. Fair shake of the sav.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:51 | 3365431 stant
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its outright theft. and destroys wrol and property rights. corner stone of  our nation. once you do that theres no reason to strive for a better world as it will just be stolen from you.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:00 | 3363736 DJ Happy Ending
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I am hoarding K-Y and poppers.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:00 | 3365335 GMadScientist
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It's good to plan for a post-collapse "career".

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:01 | 3363745 toady
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Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:29 | 3363891 Theta_Burn
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As my avatar suggests, I'm with you Brandon....

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:08 | 3363783 clawsthatscratch
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only your soul....render unto Ceasar :)

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:17 | 3363834 francis_sawyer
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@4th Stooge ~ "So Jesus doesn't even save anymore?"



Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:57 | 3364031 TheFourthStooge-ing
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He's not called The Great One for nothing.

Incidentally, the "Jesus doesn't save" comment was in reference to Spirit of Truth pulling money from the bank. He's the reincarnation of Jesus. Ask him about it.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 09:54 | 3365317 millus
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God will protect his faithful.  But his faithful may/will lose alot of resources if they don't get their head out of the sand.  Even a christian will lose his 401k when the depression hits however, God will provide during the hard times.  The christian like myself, needs to position his 401k and other investments with the great economic storm in mind.  I thank God he allows me to see the storm coming.  Many chiristians may fall into the 80/10/10 break down of people.  80% of the American people do not have a clue that another great depression is coming.  They are too busy will the business of life.  They may rioti in the streets when the stock market crashes, the bank holidays kick in, and they lose their jobs.  10% will see it coming, however it will be too late.  The last 10% will be left standing and will be able to prosper in this tough economic climate.

The resources I have set aside is not necessarily for myself, but for my family and neighbors.  When the economic crash comes, I can help provide for them and share with them the love of Christ.  Remember, an economic depression is coming, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.  If you want to learn about that, read the last chapter in the Bible, the book of revelation according to John.  That,  I will not be around for.  lol



Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:03 | 3363754 semperfi
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I'm doing the 'bank jog' thing also - slowly so as not to arouse too much interest.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:31 | 3364500 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have been bank walking a long time myself.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:07 | 3363778 Bear
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Did you get $100's?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:31 | 3364338 howenlink
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I'm going to go read this article to my chickens.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:01 | 3364423 Meat Hammer
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We're considering cashing out the 401k's and buying 10 acres about 50 miles out of town, because let's face it, retirement accounts in digital format will not be there.  The goal is to have everything we need to be totally self sufficient, including a cow or two and some pigs.  We'll call it New Matrix Ranch.  

We might like it so much we won't come back.  

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:33 | 3364505 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 10

But remember that land can be encumbered in various ways.  

It's a big step.  Do make sure that you have PLENTY of liquidity to pay for property taxes and other levies by local .govs and gangsters.  

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:52 | 3364847 pods
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Wouldn't hurt to have the house on a raised elevation with some nice clear sight lines for a hundred yards or so.

One could also decide to employ a family loving, hands-down best guard dog you will ever see:

"What is a Fila Brasileiro? The Fila is a rare molosser breed that had it's origins in Brazil starting around 400 years ago, possibly from bloodhounds, Portuguese herding dogs, mastiffs and ancient bulldogs. The Fila Brasileiro is the National dog of Brazil, it's legendary loyalty expressed in a Brazilian saying: "Faithful as a Fila".

The Fila excels at family and estate protection as well as hunting, tracking, cattle herding and even carting. A large and powerful dog, but don't let that fool you: the Fila is also extremely agile and athletic, and it is not unheard of for a Fila to clear a six foot fence to defend his master."


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 23:37 | 3364916 howenlink
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Meat Hammer, I told that to my chickens.  They said, yes.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 23:17 | 3364894 Antifaschistische
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Re: Spirit of Truth $5k in argument.

Take out $5k in're double covered.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:47 | 3363691 TeamDepends
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Nope, several months ago was the time to start.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:26 | 3363884 Dr. Engali
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Months? Try years ... dollar cost averaging into ammo and precious metals for years.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:33 | 3363911 TeamDepends
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Please Doc, there are many impressionable newbies around today.  Don't want a stampede now, do we?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:48 | 3363989 Esso
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Chinese proverb:

The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The next best time is today.

I'm pretty sure I read that here at ZH the first time.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:59 | 3364042 francis_sawyer
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I hope they're not planning to plant today's tree in downtown Beijing...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:00 | 3364044 css1971
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And if you're going to plant a tree, plant one that bears fruit or will coppice.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:40 | 3364364 francis_sawyer
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In that case plant two, build a few apiaries, & hope for the best...


Sorry ~ these fucking bitcoin FARMVILLERS are starting to get on my nerves...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 23:21 | 3364900 StychoKiller
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Saw a collection of short-length bamboo tubes in a holder for solitary bees, which also do a lot of pollinating, just a thought to the wise.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 09:53 | 3365318 francis_sawyer
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I actually use some of those for 'borer bees' which are great pollinators, [but which otherwise can get to be a nusiance if you have a large wooden deck cause they'll bore holes for themselves in it]... It might take them awhile to get trained onto the bamboo tube concept though...

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 21:06 | 3367340 mkhs
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Do you think an ark will do?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 21:00 | 3364571 mick_richfield
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My birds agree with you. 

The last 10 years, I've been planting White Oak, American Chestnut (hybrid), Hickory, etc -- but the birds decided to plant Mulberry.  I have 50 or 60 of them now, all 4-8 feet tall, all sown by the birdies -- so I learned about them.

They bear fruit, you can make wine out of it, and they are excellent coppicing trees.

Smart birds.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:35 | 3364511 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ditto re reading that first here at ZH, it is a good proverb.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:49 | 3363702 Charles Nelson ...
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Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:55 | 3363716 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:10 | 3363804 ziggy59
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I accept the offer, but attractive blonde camel toes only..

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:26 | 3363880 Renfield
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With polish. By 3 o'clock please.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:50 | 3363704 CunnyFunt
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There's no need to prepare; bitcoin will save us.


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:50 | 3363705 Number 156
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When this fake recovery results in a full on economic collapse, Im sure there will be a few people who prepared themselves with crowbars and battering rams to raid Bernanke's retirement residence.


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:10 | 3363800 CH1
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Or DHS ammo bunkers.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:16 | 3363832 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Might as well, since we paid for everything there.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:33 | 3363916 XitSam
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Like the one in Artesia, New Mexico? While looking that up, this was also found. All the way back in 2003. New one on me.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:41 | 3364532 DaddyO
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Good Find, one of my instructors was out there(Playas) training last May!


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:00 | 3364046 Kirk2NCC1701
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Rhetorical Q:  Is there a list of people and their coordinates, should the situation and occasion present itself?  Anyone making it?  Just asking.

Hey, what's that banging on the door downstairs?  Wait a sec, be ri..

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:09 | 3364073 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You never know what a search for DHS and armory will turn up.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:24 | 3364116 Parrotile
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A visit from people who you'd prefer not to be visited by?

Or maybe a visitation from above (a la Hellfire or similar?)

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:24 | 3363873 CheapBastard
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Green shoots ?


Sprawling and struggling: Poverty hits America's suburbs Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:26 AM EDT The number of suburban residents living in poverty rose by nearly 64 percent between 2000 and 2011, to about 16.4 million people, according to a Brookings Institution analysis of 95 of the nation’s largest metropolitan areas. That’s more than double the rate of growth for urban poverty in those areas.
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:26 | 3364126 Parrotile
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The "green" on the shoots is actually mould - Penicillium species most likely.

"It's life, Jim (but not quite as we expected!!)"

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:53 | 3363711 tony bonn
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god help you if you do not have silver or gold...

metaphors abound on cyprus - pick your favorite - sarajevo, mrs o'leary, the titanic - but it is all down hill from here....and we were already quite low when it hit....

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:01 | 3363746 onewayticket2
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i know keeping it stored where i can actually touch it is best, but what is the thinking on third party custodians?  PM IRAs ?  i'm going all physical - sold the ETF, purchased some physical, but want to go much bigger with Physical.  need a safe place, but cant keep it in my home.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:04 | 3363761 ziggy59
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Uh, i can help...
I will secure a spot for you so awesome, so hidden, even YOU wont know where the stuff is!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:21 | 3363858 francis_sawyer
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Most ZH'ers hide their PM's at the bottom of lakes...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:33 | 3363920 Esso
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"Accidently" evidently.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:10 | 3364076 Kirk2NCC1701
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And some of these lakes are outside of their 'jurisdiction'.  Where it's safe(r) to go for a swim or dive.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:11 | 3363803 CH1
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Registered with the state = Stolen easily.

(That's the purpose of registration!)

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:20 | 3363852 francis_sawyer
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Eureka!... Finally the gorilla said something of value...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:39 | 3363897 Renfield
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Sorry, onewayticket, if you can't keep it in your home and you can't come up with anywhere else given your circumstances, then you better hope you get really lucky with whoever that third party is that you're going to rely on. And hoping for luck isn't a strategy.

I would think MF Global would have proven that NO third-party 'secured' gold is safe.

If it's that large an amount, the best advice you'll get here is to learn how to be creative. Read around, gradually learn to think like a survivalist, learn to think creatively and out of the government 'box'. Train your mind, change your thinking. That's the best training this site offers, and it's worth more than a uni degree.

Renting isn't an obstacle. We rent, and our gold is secure.

Think like this: You're from the government, and you're here to help. Where would YOU look? Where would you OVERlook, given your unique living situation? Given your unique situation, who can you REALLY trust to help you? That list had better be short.

I'm sorry if that sounds facile but it is true. You must learn how to hide your gold, YOURSELF, and you'll get no useful hiding places suggested here b/c as soon as a good hiding place is given away on a public message board, it is no longer safe.

Welcome to the world of Chicken Little.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:56 | 3364029 onewayticket2
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thx for the insights....


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:11 | 3364079 FeralSerf
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Just remember -- don't leave home without it!  It might not be there when you get back.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:58 | 3364035 XitSam
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Watch reality TV shows with the DEA. Watch where they search for drugs (they are pretty thorough). Don't keep any paper currency with the PMs, there are dogs trained to sniff FRNs.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 20:40 | 3364524 DoChenRollingBearing
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XitSam wrote:


"Watch where they search for drugs (they are pretty thorough). Don't keep any paper currency with the PMs, there are dogs trained to sniff FRNs."

Very good advice that I have not seen ANYWHERE else.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 22:13 | 3364764 CheapBastard
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..and don't get Alzheimers!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:12 | 3364083 TwoHoot
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Take lessons from a doper - they really  know how to stash their shit where even their buddies can't steal it.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 00:06 | 3364942 Axenolith
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Rent a concrete corer and core a 3-6 inch hole in the floor, remove some subgrade rock and put it there, placing the core back and camoflaging the cut line with a bit of weak mortar.

If you have a post tensioned slab, make SURE you are going to miss the cables or don't do it, or all hell will break loose...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:24 | 3364308 The Abstraction...
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Which is the bastard that marks all these comments down one.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 02:20 | 3365030 ronaldawg
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MDB_ - I think he is 14 years old sometimes.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:59 | 3363727 Dr. Engali
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Good luck getting any ammo. The only shit left is the stuff that wouldn't even kill a man when Dick Cheney shot him square in the face.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:02 | 3363752 ziggy59
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Cops cant get any ammo now either..

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:11 | 3363807 CH1
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Cops cant get any ammo now either..

For most of them, that's a good thing.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:20 | 3363848 Temporalist
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They can't shoot straight anyway

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:23 | 3363864 francis_sawyer
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It's hard... The donut glaze makes your finger slip on the trigger...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:28 | 3363889 Yamaha
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This is correct. Shot with a large department and close tp 50% are just damn dangerous with a gun. The good news if your a suspect is most shots will miss you - keep running!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:53 | 3364019 Temporalist
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That's why they need so many bullets...because they only hit about 1 out of 10 times.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:15 | 3364088 Kirk2NCC1701
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If their life depended on it, trust me, they can shoot. 

Paradigm Shift:  Have you ever considered the paper and admin nightmare for the cop who actually hit a Perp?  It's easier to participate in the shootout and hope your buddy get him and the paper-mill.  Some cops are smarter than they look.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 21:11 | 3367352 mkhs
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They also have IQ limits.  Some smart guy once sued because they would not hire him.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 23:22 | 3364901 Antifaschistische
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There's only one reason we can't get ammo.

White house instructions to every .gov agency to buy up all ammo is a not so clandestine assault on gun owners and ammo purchasers.

I hope this boomerangs as the ammo manufacturers increase production capacity with their windfalls, ultimately creating additional supply.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:44 | 3363973 XitSam
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Incorrect. Just not available at former prices

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 21:35 | 3364672 Bad Attitude
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Reasonably priced (i.e. not inflated by the panic buying) ammo is out there. Just got to think beyond 9 mm, .40, and 5.56.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 20:36 | 3367265 Axenolith
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Just in Big5 today, ammo shelve nearly bare.  Lady behind it said it comes in early Wednesday, gets stocked between 0900 and 1000 (Line out of door starts forming 0800 or earlier, they open at 1000) and is gone by about 1010...

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 16:59 | 3363732 Vegetius
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Energy and Land thats all that counts, forget anything else. Well OK, Guns help and food stocks but for the long haul Land and Energy.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:23 | 3364305 The Abstraction...
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Victorian peasants survives with layers of clothes. Energy not so important. Land can fail to produce crops now and again. If your resources are financial, you can simply buy what you fail to make yourself, and if the land ends up in a zombie warzone you just move to where you can survive.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 21:06 | 3364596 mick_richfield
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Buy from whom?

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 11:04 | 3365455 Punch Bag
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If preprs are right, the best advice I can think of is move out of the bigger cities.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:00 | 3363735 economessed
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I'm guessing that a significant proportion of ZH'ers have made some effort to deal with the possibility of a disaster, either on a personal scale or a societal scale.  You're doing reasonable and practical things, and wouldn't suffer terribly if you lost power for two weeks, had to piece your life back together after a fire, or found the grocery stores empty after the panic set in.

But for the other 99.96% of the population, it's going to be the scariest, most terrifying event of their life, and they won't act rationally.  Which is why it pays to be prepared!!!!

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:35 | 3364161 Parrotile
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If you have the resources to feed and water you and yours fully independently for just two months (60 days) you'll probably outlive well over 95% of the rest of the population.

When the real crisis does hit, there will be a lot of armed, hungry and dangerous people out there - many sporting the "I've got RIGHTS Mate" mindset.

Safe survival will entail a safe distance between you and them. Plan accordingly.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:20 | 3364297 The Abstraction...
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I just dont agree that 60 days is enough. The Greek preppers thought the same...then after three years...what has happened to thsoe two month reserves. Gone. Now they are in the same do-dos as the rest of their complacent tribe.


You need 2 years, better for 10. Things can drag out. You will be lucky if it is like a cliff.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:02 | 3363751 ramacers
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go w/dignity and take at least one of "them" with you.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:03 | 3363755 batz
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Prepping is not really that smart. Who do you think the forces of evil will come for first? It will be the "antisocials" who question authority,  especially the ones  holed up with food and weapons.

The only prepping you can do is have somewhere to escape to, otherwise you are part of a resistance militia that will be among the first to be hunted down and crushed. Your names will be taken from your Facebook groups, email, and phone call records and made available at every DHS roadside checkpoint. You will be detained and harassed until they can charge you with something and put you away.

A purge seems inevitable, it's just a matter of what side of it you will be on.


Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:13 | 3363816 CH1
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Who do you think the forces of evil will come for first?

They are predators - plain and simple - and predators go for easy targets first.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:20 | 3363850 ziggy59
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Im going to have a sign on my front lawn... "House behind sign is protected with lots of fun stuff, my neighbor who didnt prep has nothing..."

Got Kevlar?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:22 | 3363863 Awakened Sheeple
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"What’s The Point Of Preparing? You’re All Going To Die Anyway"


Read that section of the article. He was referring to people like you.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 17:27 | 3363885 TheFourthStooge-ing
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batz, in his own belfry, said:

Prepping is not really that smart.

Oh, well, thanks for clearing that up.

Who do you think the forces of evil will come for first?

The low hanging fruit.

You will be detained and harassed until they can charge you with something and put you away.

Excellent. Exactly the kind of unreal script outcomes Hollywood and US movie watchers are fond of.

A purge seems inevitable, it's just a matter of what side of it you will be on.

So tell us, why did you choose the underside of a boot?

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 18:47 | 3364190 Parrotile
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> Prepping is not really that smart. Who do you think the forces of evil will come for first? It will be the "antisocials" who question authority,  especially the ones  holed up with food and weapons.

THE weakness of having a fixed terrestrial hide-out.  Think like the Russians - MOBILITY. Make your "hide-out" mobile and you have an immediate advantage. The greater the range (and terrain-capability) of your "mobile home", the greater the advantage.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:18 | 3364293 The Abstraction...
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Well nice idea, but there will be 7 billion people all looking for signs of movement. Personally I recognize that zombies without food, as with all flesh and blood creatures, eventually run out of glucose.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 22:43 | 3375424 Manic by Proxy
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And in your superior mobility how long do you last w what you can carry with you? Are you welcomed by communities, neighborhoods or other similar nomads? Or are quickly rendered for your food, women, guns and ammo? Without a group, a powerful group, you won't survive.

Fri, 03/22/2013 - 19:16 | 3364280 The Abstraction...
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First you  need to get your stuff, then you need to defend it.


Prepping means you get your stuff without serious risk. The scavengers, who think they will improvise themselves out of any calamity, will be the first to fall, if not from the defeneder's hands, from each other's.


People in denial regarding prepping just cannot face life without being pampered by the State. Same people who tell you they do not buy silver or gold because they have nowhere to put it.

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