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With Russia "Demanding Cyprus Out Of The Eurozone" Here Is A List Of Possible Russian Punitive Reprisals

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As has been made abundantly clear on these pages since the breakout of the latest Cyprus crisis, the Russian policy vis-a-vis its now former Mediterranean offshore deposit haven-cum-soon to be naval base, has been a simple one: let the country implode on the heels of the Eurozone's latest humiliating policy faux pas, so that Putin can swoop in, pick up assets (including those of a gaseous nature, much to Turkey's chagrin) for free, while being welcome like the victorious Russian red army saving Cyprus from its slavedriving European overlords (a strategy whose culmination Merkel has very generously assisted with).

Curiously there had been some confusion about Russia's "noble" motives in Cyprus (seemingly forgetting that in Realpolitik, as in love and war, all is fair). We hope all such confusion can now be put to rest following the clarification by Jorgo Hatzimarkakis, the German Euro deputy of Greek origin, who told Skai television on Sunday morning that Russia did not want Cyprus to stay in the eurozone.

From Kathimerini:

Jorgo Hatzimarkakis, the German Euro deputy of Greek origin told Skai television on Sunday morning that Russia did not want Cyprus to stay in the eurozone.

 

Cyprus’s alternative plan was only a half-plan that also relied on Moscow’s help. However Russia preferred a Cyprus outside the eurozone, but inside the European Union,” stated Hatzimarkakis.

 

Cypriot Finance Minister Michalis Sarris returned to Cyprus on Friday after his week-long effort to convince Russian authorities to lend some support to the Republic in the form of a new interstate loan, contribution to a bailout fund or even the extension of the 2.5-billion-euro loan from 2011, but to no avail.

At this point it bears (pun intended) pointing out that what Russia does as Cyprus situation devolves into utter ad hoc chaos, in both Cyprus and Europe, is the biggest and most important wildcard. So here, according to the Guardian, are some things a suddenly quite furious Russia can do (aside from watching quietly on the side as its billionaires are suicided):

Fears are growing of Russian reprisals against European businesses as EU authorities desperately seek a deal to save the Cypriot economy by imposing a 25% levy on bank deposits of more than €100,000.

 

As the island scrambled to put together a rescue programme, its finance minister, Michalis Sarris, said "significant progress" had been made on the latest levy plan in talks with officials from the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

 

The government in Nicosia faces a deadline of Monday to reach an agreement or the European Central Bank says it will cut off emergency cash to the island, spelling the likely financial collapse of its banking system and a potential exit from the European single currency.

 

However, with Russian investors having an estimated €30bn (£26bn) deposited in banks on the island, the growing optimism about a deal was accompanied by fears of retaliation from Moscow. Alexander Nekrassov, a former Kremlin adviser, said: "If it is the case that there will be a 25% levy on deposits greater than €100,000 then some Russians will suffer very badly.

 

"Then, of course, Moscow will be looking for ways to punish the EU. There are a number of large German companies operating in Russia. You could possibly look at freezing assets or taxing assets. The Kremlin is adopting a wait and see policy."

 

Nekrassov rejected suggestions that Russia might hit back by cutting off gas supplies, a tactic the country used in 2009 after the collapse of talks with Ukraine to end a row over unpaid bills and energy pricing.

 

"Gas is no longer a weapon," Nekrassov said. "When Russia did that before, it realised that the foreign energy lobby reacted and efforts to find alternative sources were increased. If Russia kept threatening, it knows that nobody would be buying its gas in 20 years' time."

 

Mike Ingram, an analyst at City broker BGC Partners, said: "In Russia, historically, if they want an asset they just grab it. If they want cash out of a [EU] business [in Russia] they just create a tax bill or raid offices and make your life unpleasant. They could also make life difficult diplomatically on issues such as Syria. They might also rattle a few sabres over deployment of the missile defence system."

Sadly, unlike the rest of the algorithmic world, Russia does not succumb to the idiotic policy of "if S&P is up, then all is well" and neither does it have an endogenous bent toward seeing everything in an optimistic light, unlike Mr. Ingram above. Which is why with the decision-making process in Europe in total disarray, keep a very close eye on Russia's next steps, as well as on any potential future suicides of Russian oligarch billionaires.

 


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Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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Do you take polonium with your tea?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Who Will Be Next To Come Down With Polonium Breath ???

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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MAVERofsky & GOOSovich... Soon to be patrolling the Mediterranean skies...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Ever been "water-boarded" with old caviar?  You will say anything.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment knukles
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See toldja....
The Ruskies want Cyprus out of the EU.... No more dumb ass shit from the crazies. He'll, nobody even knows who's in charge. Hands off MY fucking money. Ruskies have a better understanding of banks and capitalism than those EU idiots

Cyprus is not a NATO member

Ruskies bail out their own oligarch money with their own peasants money, own the banks, and get warm water port

Touché
Game set and match to the old commies

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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Still relevant today... Monty Python Always look on the Bright Side of Life. /s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Wx230gYJw

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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@ Ahmeexnal & “France dumps the eurozone”

VERY MISLEADING & not the case at all from the story Ahmeexnal links to.

The Pravda story describes the opinion of a French Nationalist that France should exit the EU.  Big deal.

A few more canards like that and people stop reading your links, Ahmeexnal.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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Nobody fucking leaves EU. Nobody! We'll raid your apartments, we'll poison your tea, we'll dig up the crimes you committed when you were a teen, we'll publish how you incestuously sucked your mother tit (when you were a toddler, which we will conveniently omit). Nobody fucking leaves!

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 01:49 | Link to Comment Moonrajah
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The RULES of EURO CLUB.

 

1st RULE: You do not talk about EURO EXIT.

2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about EURO EXIT.

3rd RULE: If bank liquidiy goes limp, taps out the BAILOUT is on .

4th RULE: Only two guys to a bailout - TROIKA and the dumb euromember.

5th RULE: One bailout at a time - the eurocrats have too much on their hand already, thank you very much.

6th RULE: No haircuts to Goldman Sachs, no real assets to Russians.

7th RULE: Bailouts will go on as long as they have to.

8th RULE: If this is your first bailout at EURO CLUB, you HAVE to fold.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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couldn't resist the reincarnated jesus blog re: astrology.

That the Kremlin is so audacious as to carry out its historical machinations according to astrology indicates of just how megalomaniacal Russia's ruling elite have become. Unfortunately for these tyrannical liars, however, God is watching...

a rather perfect example of the nonsense people can come up with when trying to "use" planetary archetypes to "explain" their belief systems - evol russky trying to dominate the world with devil star worshipping!!! - seriously, this shit belongs back in the 50's Cold War propaganda, back when you got the newsreels instead of a cartoon when you went to the Saturday picture shows. . .

RayGun and Nancy used astrologers, and!!

Fitzwater acknowledged that Reagan has a thing about lucky numbers--his is 33--and the ghost of Abraham Lincoln in the White House, but said he knew nothing of the President's own interest in astrology.

diabolical message????

lol.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 17:14 | Link to Comment IdiocracyIsAlre...
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No shit.  And how much paper and energy were wasted during the cold war era on the Soviet Union being the home of the "antichrist" and the bringer of "armageddon".  The whole concept of "prophecy", whether astrology or religion, is nothing but a clever ruse to dupe the masses from taking control of their own lives - "I can't create a better future -  the bible/the stars say its the end of days".  Fools.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment pkea
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can someone get this story straight? I was under impression that russia or to be more precise gazprom isn't bailing out cyprus anymore after turkey tensions? regardless in or out of the eu

 

berezovsky wasn't the billionaire as far as i know for a while, more like decade...his death is highly overrated in terms of conspiracies...more likely  just a conincidence

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Coincidence:

 

coincidence may be defined as the very tool used by Fate to shape the destiny of men and nations. Observe it now at work in the affairs of Captain Blood and of some others.” 
Rafael SabatiniCaptain Blood

 

Conicidence, my ass...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Doubled

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Alea Iactaest
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@ knuckles - dude ur so friggin' spot on! Let's review:

1. Russia wants a warm water port, among other things

2. Cyprus is part of the EU (and has said warm water port, in a decent neighborhood also!)

3. Germany is looking to cozy up with the Russians (and Chinese and others)

4. Southern EU hates Merkel

5. Euro can't be fixed, needs a scapegoat

Throw 'em all in the blender:

Cyprus leaves the EU "voluntarily" but widely seen as being pushed out by Germany. Club Med gets all pissy and creates some show of solidarity. They rebel against the northern EU, especially Germany.

After much gnashing of teeth and wailing and creation of a new Euro, Germany can no longer make an economic case to stay in the EU. It leaves as a free agent and looks east for the highest bidder.

Putin, who wants a blood oath of loyalty, already received tribute from Merkel: in the form of her help splitting Cyprus off from the EU -- something Russia would have had a hard time doing on its own (especially without use of force).

The new economic powerhouse: Germany, Russia, China, etc. controlling almost all oil energy for western Europe. Denominated in non-USD. With a warm water port.

Or not. Just putting puzzle pieces together.

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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Well if they rename Cyprus' capital to Moscosia I think that'll be a pretty good sign of Russia's intentions here.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Russians are not stupid. They understand it was the german imperial family behind the bolschevik revolution (it was gold confiscation on a massive scale and murdering a competing royal dinasty).
Fast forward a couple decades and once again the german plutocracy betrays the russians (now under Soviet rule) as the teutons tried to subjugate a clearly superior russian war machine.
Present day, Angela Merkel in a disastrous slip of the tongue proclaims that "Cyprus partners will lose" in a clear reference to Russia.
It will be only days for Merkel to eat her words. When hyperinflation engulfs central europe, the aryan pipedream of a thousand year reich will be reduced to a "quadrillionth of a femtosecond reich".

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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It resonates true, Ahmeexnal. There is a war being fought out there and we don't even know exactly who's on whose side. All we intuitively feel is that we (the savers) will somehow lose.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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And France will hold on to it's belief in the Euro to the bitter end, another Maginot Line mistake.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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The ECB is throttling the Golden Goose...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Exactly, Russia will get a warm water port essentially in the jmiddle of southern europe and be cornering the gas that Cyprus is on in the region.  Turkey will bow out because russia came into the gas fields, also it may curtail the gas line that was being pushed in the area to go around Russia and make the EU independent of Russian gas.  He most likely told Cyprus let yourself implode and if they give you the money anyway then don't do what they want and continue to siphon money.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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not enough of "them" from that tribe

Who Will Be Next To Come Down With Polonium Breath ???

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment caconhma
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ZeroHedge and its readers are utterly confused about Cyprus, Russia, Germany, and the Zionist-controlled US & British axis:

·        Late last year, the West tried to overthrow Putin. It did not work but Putin understood there is no way back. Syria is a good example as well as more close relationship with China. Putin will look for any opportunity to screw the West. Putin needs to have close relationship with Germany and to destroy EU to get rid from NATO threat.

·        The Zionist-controlled US & British axis is trying save, preserve, and extend its world financial, economic, and military geopolitical positions. For these purposes its tries to screw China, Russia, and Germany. The European crisis was manufacturing by this Zionist-controlled US & British axis to screw up and destroy Germany being forced to save and support endlessly failed EU countries. By getting rid of Euro, Germany will regain its independence and, using its industrial and technological might will start dominating the European continent.

·        Lastly Cyprus, it’s a good excuse to start the Euro zone destruction. Cyprus today is like Balkans just before the WW1.

The rest is just noise and destructions. Who gives a shit about useless Cyprus citizens or few bogus oligarchs? Nobody. Just ask Mr. Bernanke or Mr. Obama.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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yes, anyone seeing Russia & Germany on opposite sides in this "showdown" is not seeing the full picture.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Alea Iactaest
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Crash the Euro in the process, drive people into USD. Crash PMs and commodities (priced in USD) one more time to put more people into USD. Enact taxes and capital controls. Introduce new currency.

At least that's what I would do, but I'm not as devious as some.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment centerline
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Good stuff folks.  Just viewing this from a financial/banking perspective misses the point.  There is no doubt a bigger play at hand.  Extension of the same historical tensions/power play.  Each time the stakes get higher and higher.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Add China into that axis.

Nice little trding bloc, reserve currency area forming up.

Certainly would not be the first time in history that Germany did a

180 and surprised eveyone.Comintern pact, seperate WWI peace accord with

Russia.

Watch this space.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Omen IV
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Go Putin! Go east Cyprus, Go East!

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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You want geopolitical flow, let's start with oil, and then just move to human beings.

Putin and his staff were humiliated.  They watched the Soviet Union surrender and now, as the oil kahuna, they have a chance for revenge and a chance to elevate Russia to dominance.  Why would they not take it?

Cyprus is an offshore banking haven paying high interest and low taxes and TAKING MONEY FROM EU BANKS thereby.  The EU wants it stopped.  That money could be going to them instead of Cyprus.  So they want that business model destroyed.  Cyprus is not behaving like desperate cravens.  They don't really want their source of wealth destroyed.

If the EU had not insisted on haircutting all Greece bondholders, Cyprus would have no problems.  They held a lot of those Greek bonds and they went along with the EU plan of not declaring default for the swaps.  They probably thought there were promises involved, and now see there are not. 

Lastly, and important, the natgas thing is bullshit.  The big field offshore Israel and Lebanon doesn't extend north that far.  The Cypriots wanted to build an LNG plant and talk the Israelis into piping from the north edge of the field to Cyprus, rather than have a juicy LNG target for terrorists on the Israel coast.

There.  Geopolitics.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Alea Iactaest
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Cyprus, the divided Mediterranean island that announced its first offshore gas find last week, said revenues will benefit Greek and Turkish Cypriots because reunification will be achieved before the fuel is shipped.

“Revenues are not envisaged to start accruing before a number of years pass because we need a number of years to develop the necessary infrastructure,” Praxoula Antoniadou, minister for commerce, industry and tourism, said in an interview in Nicosia. “Our vision is that the Cyprus problem will be solved much sooner, within months.”

Cyprus’s Greek and Turkish-speaking communities have been divided since 1974, when Turkey invaded the north of the island. Exploration drilling last year by the U.S.’s Noble Energy Inc. (NBL) prompted Turkey, which doesn’t recognize the Greek Cypriot government, to send warships to the area. It has urged Cyprus to freeze oil exploration until a settlement is reached so that the Turkish Cypriot community can benefit from revenues.

Noble’s gas field, containing as much as 8 trillion cubic feet of fuel, “enhances the probability” that other sites off Cyprus may also hold hydrocarbons, Antoniadou said Jan. 4. The government announced a second oil and gas licensing round on Nov. 23, covering 12 of 13 blocks, and will invite expressions of interest “in about a month’s time,” the minister said.

Bloomberg - January 6, 2012

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment schatzi
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Christ, this place has its fair share of loony tin-foil hat wearers.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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are you for us or against us?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment akak
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"If he is not with us, he is with the enemy."

In other words, an "evildoer".

LOL

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 17:08 | Link to Comment NuckingFuts
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Christ, this place has its fair share of loony tin-foil hat wearers.

 

You are either on the bus or off the bus, choose.  Sure there are some wackjobs but they are OUR wackjobs.... so you want a ride?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 21:22 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

You are either on the bus or off the bus, choose.

The Eccentric Kook-Aid Acidizenism Test

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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Anybody who can buy into consumerism is by default a loony tin-foil hat wearer.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Cypriot MPs are soft targets.   If I were one I'd hop  the first flight to whateverland and maintain a low profile, literally...  Yuri, Andrei and the crew want you, dead.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Escapedgoat
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A lot of the Natives are wishing that too.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment sunnydays
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Cyprus was healthy and prosperous financially before joining the EU in 2008.  The EU cause them to become unhealthy and indebt.

 

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2013/03/cyprus-in-trouble-beca...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment AssFire
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Hey, I want to be a part of that Euro zone thing..

Oh wait,   I've  already got  my own government destroying half my wealth before I die and then taking half of whats left it when I die...

Think about that- these cocksuckers take 75%- not just 20%... If Cyprus leaves the Eurozone, I might just want to migrate there.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I was just thinking the same thing.

At least the Russians go about their thievery honestly ;-)

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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i'll bring the beer and chips...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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I'm down with you, especially if you forget the damn chips.

I'll bring the brandy chaser.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Currency Wars, Part 2013, Rule Number 1
Never Play Russian Roulette With Those That The Game is Named After. -They May Assist And Insist You Continue To Win, Until You Lose

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Bernanke: How about a nice game of poker? Texas Hold'em, anyone?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Master_Blaster
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No, the EU is a dump...fixed it for you

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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The EU is the classic bully.  They get away with a lot of shit until one day someone decides to punch them in the mouth and everyone finds out they have a glass jaw.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the quote was "wait and see" not "we're sending in Spetnasz." unilateralism doesn't work in situations like this. so i'm Cyprus and i'm overjoyed at Russians Marines suddenly appearing? Really? sorry but it bears repeating for all you Cypriots out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjkMh0tKCZo

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment the show
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We are at war with Russia. We've always been at war with Russia. We are friends with Russia. We've always been friends with Russia. Boy, 1984 sure is confusing me! Meanwhile, the NWO continues to raid the spoils.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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well the article is quite confusing - and confuses a few things - except for the gas situation

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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there is no "gas situation" outside of what the clowns in the media over there are reporting "to their wonderful people." you should see what it takes to rise above the bullshit over here...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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I'm talking about the Russian gas, not the Cypriot

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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If you want to understand human interaction just remember the famous Howard Stern quote, "I hate you because you're not exactly like me"  (The global version is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend")

And by the way, I'm guessing I might hate you for that reason.  (And I'm not too crazy about myself most of the time either)

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Salah
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Boy-oh-boy, is this shaping up like the original 'triggering event' of Fall 2008, i.e. the Russian invasion of Georgia, or what?

For all you doubters out there in rational-land, go look at the planetary lineup that September & October.  Dark matter & dark energy DOES affect human consciousness.

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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If you want to be froot loopy, get biblical, go for Revelations and the "Bear out of the North."

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Love these bible revelations...

~~~

They'd better make them all come true before the poles shift again...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment knukles
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Actually is probably part of it.
The folklore is there fora reason

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Kiss My Iceland...
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And don't Santy Claus and the Tooth Fairy have a role in all this ??

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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SANTA = SATAN.
Notice replacement for celebrating Jesus's birth with celebrating Consumerism. Coincidence? I think not!

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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even most "Bible Scholars" and religions acknowledge Jesus was born in what is now referred to as the month of March.

who decided that Jesus' birth would be celebrated on that date? The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesus' birth. It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

co-opting popular beliefs, re-branding them to suit the latest wannabe overlord's agenda, makes for ease of cultural transitions. . . most of the important "holy" days celebrated relate back to those pesky pagans. . . currently they promote the worship of consumerism, hence the endless loop of holi-day (holy-day) crap on display for purchase, each meme overlapping the next, Xmas lights the day after the All Hallows black crepe.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment toys for tits
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The problem with that belief is that Jesus lived to 33 1/2 years, which means an ~October birth.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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so you say.

the problem is all the made up shit attached to the story, and the way other beliefs were co-opted to promote the new(er) meme.

that's where the truth lies.

here's another Bible scholar using the "stars" and "planets" named by God to calculate the "birth" of Jesus.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment LuchadorChumba
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Cathartes, one of me estudiates asked me yesterday, what I meant when I said, “Expendable cucarachas, Gods who commit suicide for a more macho purpose…these are a means. Sandstorms of helplessness insure those cabróns remain our patsies.”

Es muy facil…

We took that Jeshua guy, and shut his mouth real good. Put the gnostics into a headlock, and kicked them in the huevos! We changed this message to mean something else, so we could reincarnate that ‘Zeus’ guy. We were so successful that everyone now calls Jeshua… ‘Zeus!’ Even my hermanos name is pronounced ‘eh…zeus’. Si, es verdad that a few things he said got through the filter, pero oye, we did an excellente job at the Council of Nicaea. At that time, we even set the date of ‘conception’ to be easter, ya know..to reflect our numerological creations, being exactly 9 lunar gestation cycles prior to ‘birth’ date. Subliminal stuff, we’re just talking to our audiences subconscious…they just don’t know it (ehheh, they think their conscious mind is doing their bidding!)

‘Christ’ means ‘cross’, and I am Chumba ‘Cruz’. How do I create a cross? How do I make cuatro (4) seasons? How do I assure distinctions? How do we force duality? What do you think the solstice y equinox do, huh? It’s the zeus cross. I’ve gone by many nombres paisano… and so have you! Who died on a ‘cross’? What really died so it could be reborn? Was it the sun or the son? When did the sun reach its deepest sleep and when did it ‘rise again’? Aye aye aye…it’s all in front of su ojos… Chinga!

We are going to have to ‘create’ again, soon, but this time we’re gonna wear our pretty-boy mask.

Ah, uno mas cosa… All of our desert religions are our patsies (we use the eastern ones for other goals). I’ll tell you more about that later.

http://askchumba.com/2013/03/05/patsies-and-expendable-cucarachas/

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"expendable cucarachas" - if only they realised. . . ahh, but then they'd be wising up, getting closer to a truth, and that's outside of the plot.

all you share is true, and more you haven't mentioned. . . such as what pre-dates "western" and then "eastern" religious stories?  and how, on earth, did humans get bamboozled into thinking a Man creates life, when it has always been Woman giving birth, a truth that stares them in the face, yet they cannot let go of their FatherFigures.

the worship of life, of seasons, of things that grow and sustain humanity, plants, animals, all inter-woven - none of this is given reverence in the FatherSkyGod stories, which make them seem so naive, so willfully ignorant - that FatherGod religions revere warriors and killing, vengeance is mine!, death over life, and are used to shame and punish humanity, none of this is ever men-shunned. . .

merely sitting and pondering Life, the webs of being, can be more enlightening than any memorised, redacted, revised and King's versions of some story could ever be.

here is a picture that predates the Fathers - she's been given the name "Venus of Willendorf" by men, and a silly backstory to go with it, viewed from the present mind-set. . .she must be "pregnant" - yet pregnancy doesn't happen to the whole body - the woman is FAT, a big round woman made into a statue that could be held in one's hand,

Several similar statuettes and other forms of art have been discovered, and they are collectively referred to as Venus figurines, although they pre-date the mythological figure of Venus by millennia.

because these scholars don't have anywhere else to go with their minds!  dead fucking end. . .  she also has a head covered in "knots" very similar to Buddha statues, yes?  and she predates him too!

so yes, plenty of subliminal stuffs out there confusing the truths that cannot even be image-in'd, the minds don't have the necessary synapses firing to keep the meme-ories alive. . .humans are in their own little personalised bubbles of storytelling now, and the past is yesterday, or last week at best.  soma-pharma helps keep this loop very small.

which is fine.  I like to think of time as an upward reaching spiral, rather than a line from here to there, with spaces marked out as event-full.  with the spiral one can revisit past notions or concepts, from a slightly elevated place that includes, and then adds to the whole.

nature will make a jungle of "civilisation" eventually, let it decay to provide for something new, a season within a season within. . . humans are but a blip on the timeline of All Life.  a not so very inclusive blip as well.  certainly not necessary at all.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Here is that Coincdence word again.

 

"Why is Santa an anagram for Satan? I mean, besides the fact that both have the same amounts of the same letters. Just consider the many other similarities between the two figures: both of them are red, both of them like to laugh, both of them give presents to children and both of them are kings of an ungodly underworld of unspeakable horror and suffering. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.” 
Sam Logan

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Satan is the "clause" in Santa.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment centerline
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cycles.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment IdiocracyIsAlre...
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"Revelation" and "prophecy" - a clever ruse to dupe the masses from taking control of their own lives.  Not a coincidence that this nonsense is most commonly spewed from the largest mega-churches.  TPTB love this stuff - to be distract the little people.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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looking back at history, the russians fucked up more often than not.  and how could they not?  3/4 of its population is pickled in sub-grade vodka.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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So 1/4 gets to drink the good stuff?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Rubicon
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And the dragon... ah hem!

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Indeed!

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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May be time to dig up some old Tom Clancy books to see how it ends.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Ugh but don't make it so boring, ever have to read through a Clancy forced rape montage?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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Georgia invaded South Ossetia, Russia than defended Ossetia you fucker.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment ekm
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South Osetia is still part of Georgia, legally.

De facto is it's over, but it's not internatinally recognized yet, but it is NOT, again it is NOT, part of Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:37 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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"Russian invasion of Georgia"...?? Interesting angle. Reminds me of a previous script I read in development...

Russia invades Afghanistan/NATO peackeepers deployed to help defuse tension. Come to think of it, that theme's been used in any number of Hollowwood spectacles...

those 'spectacles' are not 3-D...more like univision...not really useful for viewing places like Cyprus...and Russia. There's a bigger view of events available to those who wanna turn off the mindcontrol unit in their craniums and think...Cyprus is not even a snack. The conclusions of this article are not reflective of the fact that  Russia's been a 'great power' for some time. Great Powers tend to have big vision. We know that the failing Empire of Debt does: why not the Russkies and Chinese? Does the Berlin Wall only tumble one way?

It needs be understood...to the rest of the world, the Merikans and their ZATO campfollowers have become nothing more than pirates...whose time to live by the sword must fade to time to die by it. Perhaps it's Putin's martial arts training...who really knows...capture the intensity of your opponents' assault, then mark time while waiting for an opening to the special place in the belly where you will feed it all back into them in lethal dose...this will not be the first time a giant proves to have feet of clay. Or a Golem disobey it's master.

a tiring, flailing bull(y), the slim toreador, a watching crowd, the scent of death on a Leveche breeze. This one's not really reading like a Hollowwood script...could it be Buñuel?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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It's so easy to be confused by the push and pull of geopolitical bullshit, but I've rarely been so delighted by a fresh perspective that makes a unique contribution to understanding. Thanks mate.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment ekm
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So, where is Draghi? Again where is Draghi?

Are we all settled now?

 

Is it now fully accepted that central banks have never been independent, nor are and they will never be independent? They are simply order takers.

 

Let's use our imagination:

Urgent call to Washington and Berlin: Russians have confiscated US and German assets in Russia.

Then Merkel calls Obama: We agree, no problem. Let's tell Benny and Mario to buy Dow and Dax. Problem solved.

 

Are we all set now?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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it is actually news to me that private bankers take orders from "the Man." ditch the euro, Cyprus. Start sending us back pictures of all your hotties...that's all we ask for in return here at ZH.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Jamie: I wish we had time to bury [the EU] them fellas.

Josey Wales: To hell with [the EU] them fellas. [The Russians] Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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    The 'Dog & Pony" show is just getting started.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment ekm
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People always forget that Russia is a GLOBAL FORCE, Beijing is still a local force.

It was only few weeks ago that a NUCLEAR SUBMARINE entered Guam US waters.

 

Russia needs a base in the mediterranean to fuel and maintain warships. Either in Syria or in Cyprus, they won't give up for one, otherwise.................

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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this is so over-rated

People always forget that Russia is a GLOBAL FORCE,

russia is a bunch of criminals pretending to be politicians, protecting local oligarchs and exploiting the rest of the russian population that on any day of the week is more drunk than sober.  the lauded dexterity, competence and sophisticated diplomatic skills of the russian leaders is a myth.  russia is not a global force.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment ekm
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Ok, ok.

In your rant, just replace 'russia' with 'usa'. Does it make any difference?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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yes, if

just replace 'russia' with 'usa'. Does it make any difference?

it makes a diff.  the usa are gangsters that without having to ask anybody for permission or consent, invade countries, pillage their gold holdings, steal their natural resources, occupy their territories, replace local governments with puppets friendly to usa gangsterism, etc.and then......they give themselves a nobel peace prize.  now that's a global force.  let me ask you this, when was the last time putin got a nobel peace prize for bombing a country?  see what i mean?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment ekm
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Everything is perspective.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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indeed.

every   thing  is perspective.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Putin does not need to 'bomb countries'

~~~

Russia is not resource scarce & it's not smitten by Tel Aviv...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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see, this dynamic is not known and there is a lot of uncertainty

Russia is not ...........smitten by Tel Aviv...

a number of jew oligarchs stole russian national resources. a large % of these jew oligarch conspired against kremlin.  some, like khodorkovsky, went to jail.  many fled to britain and israel.  it is not inconceivable to think that the russian jew oligarchs continue to conspire against kremlin with the help of israel.   the question is then: (a) will putin bail out russian oligarchs (that conspire against kremlin) in cyprus?; (b) let cyprus go bk and then invade (militarily) cyprus?;  unlikely that putin will make a move to invade cyprus because russia  is not a global force.  kremlin's hands are full with trying to defend their natural resources from being stolen by the usual suspects, the jew oligarchs smitten by tel aviv

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 17:00 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Your response is a 'branch' to my statement, not a REPLY to it...

~~~

The avenue that I was pointed towards was something different...

Since Balfour [& probably before], it is clear [at least to me], that 'ISRAEL' wants all the land from the Tigris/Euphrates ~ to the Suez Canal... THAT is the 'slow cook roast' in all this bullshit... [which folds in everything from the Saudi Royal Family, to Iran, Hussein, Damascus, & all parts in between...

Russia is the most resource generous territory on the planet in aggregate [followed by the United States]... Next comes oil deposits & shipping lanes [see above]

It's not that complicated...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Sofa King Confused
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pseudo,

Unless I am looking at this the wrong way, I think Putin is the only major leader who is standing up to all this BS going on in the world, along with a few others like Assad, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jung Un and the recently departed gold bug from Venezuela.

 

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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i think putin is one of leaders that is

standing up to all this BS going on in the world, along with a few others like Assad, Ahmadinejad, Kim Jung Un and the recently departed gold bug from Venezuela

i am having difficulty reconciling the deep divisions of power struggle within russia. as i mentioned above, large portions of russian resources are still in the hands of jew oligarchs that fled russia for britain and israel.  putin did not seize their assets after they fled.   thus, these jew expats still control the local russian economy and at the same time they appear to symphatize with israel's agenda.  putin also appears to seek support of the local 'moscow' jew oligarchs whose loyalties are not clear.  so, imo, putin will look for solutions that help him domestically, and those solutions could be dictated to him by the moscow oligarchs who are only concerned with their own wealth as opposed to some strategic global play.  the unknown to you and i is to what extent are these jew oligarchs prepared to crash the russian economy if they dont get what they want.  and who knows what they want?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Sofa King Confused
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I believe Putin does have a spine unlike the leaders of most other nations.   If the oligarchs or whoever start pushing him around too much they will probably end up dead....... apparently by suicide.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Both of you are too complicated [see comment above]...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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Russia's got some big problems:

1)Most of their top scientists  have left the country for the US and Isreal-a scan of the faculty in physics and chemistry at US and Isreal universities will demonstrate this.  How long they can maintain somewhat outdated cold war technology is thus moot.  Most of their nuclear weapons are unlikely to be functional (also true of our nukes) due to lack of maintainence and more importantly underground testing.

2)They are surrounded by Islamic countries with birth rates several times that of Russia (which has negative population growth as no one is immigrating INTO russia.  Like Japan and China they are a stagnant society.  (Of course, the alcohol problem is also important)

As for China,

1)They have a huge asymmetry is male/female ratio.  This is a recipe for internal violence and revolution.  It is unlikely they can continue to grow enough food and they have major energy deficiites.

So, the US because we are still a magnet for the best scientists and engineers still has the best future prospects.  We are self sufficient in food and could easily be in energy by simply scaling up our fission power plant base.  Our key to success must be a vast scaling down in the size of the government and the welfare state and re-introduction of competition and creative destruction into the system by destroying cartels such as the FED and it stockhold banks.  Unfortunately, since we are unlikely to do so, we too are screwed.

My advice, don't worry, be happy.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment akak
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The 'Dog & Pony" show is just getting started.

Updated for the 21st century: "The banking system is a dog, so all depositors (But never, EVER any bondholders or shareholders) will have to pony up to save it."

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Putin on Jeopardy: 'Islands' For € 20 Billion, Please

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Lastovo would be a lot cheaper, but maybe not as strategic. But a nice secondary port. More private than one in Montenegro. Of course, they can still bid for a useful Greek island in this game of Fiscal Jeopardy.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Dooud
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That rug (Cyprus) really DID tie the room (EU) together!!,,,,,,Man.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment shinobi-7
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It will be very interesting to see how the banks reopen on Tuesday if they do. How can you run a bank with zero confidence or rather how long?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Pretorian
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They will microwave Europe ! 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Edward Fiatski
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Vperiod!! :)

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//Algo overload

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Jacque Itch
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ERROR = Buy Buy Buy

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment akak
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I want to know who the bastard is who keeps flipping that official risk switch --- it is really starting to piss me off!

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment unnamed enemy
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in Soviet EU, russian billionaires suicide you.

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Banksters
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So, what is the amplified derivative exposure?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment USisCorrupt
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Let the Dominos FALL ! The Euro this week and the US Next week. Who in their RIGHT Mind would still be in this Ponzi system?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment mkgone
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Now, the poland based NATO anti rocket shield makes sense. The global elite needs a hot war...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment magpie
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German tvs now running documentaries on war in Russia...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment mkgone
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Come here and u can watch 24/7 guilt cult :)

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment magpie
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The EU is itself an union of owe, as it becomes clearer daily.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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is that good or bad news?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment fudge
Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment stant
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i guess i am supposed to be patriotic and root for the usa. but all i see is criminals at war. our criminals are just as much a danger to me as the rest. but my obsevations so far are ours are playing checkers and russians play chess. thus why hillary got her ass handed to her in bengazi.but for now all i can do is stand on my little hill with a bowl of popcorn and watch the show

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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The Founding Fathers were The Original Patriots.
I dont know for sure, but I think they would disagree with most, if not all of the insane activities those that were 'passed the torch of Liberty' to.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Before you get too cozy, you better hope your need for the microwave to pop your corn, does not become unnecessary.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Bogdog
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My chief concern is, when all this shit finally blows up where the hell am I going to be able to get good sushi? One has to have a sense of priority.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Bring the Geiga Counter
Remember, Fresh Roadkill makes awesome eats!
--Wrapped in some sushi rice thats been seasoed oh so nicely with some rice wine vinegar, wrapped with some nori, and a wasabi drizzle...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment fudge
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 (including those of a gaseous nature, much to Turkey's chagrin)

 

Might want to add Israel in there , They just blew Turkey a kiss . A rather opportune time to get together with old friends against old enemies.

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment ekm
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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/03/23/Obama-back-in-DC-after-Middle-...

Ok, this is what really matters. Obama was back from the middle east vacation last night at 8pm.

As we all know, he gets up every day at 10am, has brunch with Biden at 11am and gets the first briefing at noon. Right now it's 12.50 pm.

 

Let's see what he's going to decide: TO BAIL OR NOT TO BAIL.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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I don't think the US is going to get involved, at least not directly

Israel fires into Syria (that's kinda interesting) I'm kinda puzzled about the timing here?

 

 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment ekm
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When it comes international interventions the best thing is have two or three engineered at the same time, so world media would be confused and not focused on one only.

 

Media war is as important if not more important than the real war.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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Most of it will probably be out next week

I bet there will be many surprises

               They do have some pretty big energy reserves right?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment ekm
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I do not believe anything official data says. It is all propaganda.

The official data is that there is gas between cyprus and israel waters. 

I DO NOT BELIEVE IT.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Bingfa
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Whole lot of hoopla about propaganda then....

It's getting harder and harder to sift through all the propaganda

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment ekm
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Correct.

You must read history in order to be able to sift through.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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excellent point below. but what's all this "basing" crap? i think the point is to have REGIMES that work with you or "are on your side." the model is the BRITISH Empire (deminimus military, gold standard, 400 years) and not the whole "bugle playing boy are you gonna love us when we're gone" routine seems to me. currency backed by North Dakota oil output SEEMS to be working...but paper money...let alone coinage..."does not exist solely to be debased." Isn't that the lesson of Response to 9/11? Hence "sudden appearance of not only sudden debt...but also this hilarious character called Sudden Debt. And THAT'S the problem! We needed GREATER control of online media!" (?)

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment ekm
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Great leaders are needed for these kind of situations. So far, the west has got none.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment ekm
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Israel's problem is that they're losing the world media war. The real war is a piece of cake for them.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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How went Lebanon 2006 for them?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment ekm
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You're still making my point.

They withdrew due to backlash in the world media.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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No I am not. Hezbollah is the better fighter. Just look at the battle for Bint Jbeil. Israeli's are not as good as their propaganda is claiming.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment ekm
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If there's a post for Israel we can debate on that.

I'd say let's focus on the topic at hand right now.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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agreed.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment nmewn
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The assumption here is, the briefing at noon is to have someone rational try and interpret what Biden was babbling about at eleven...lol.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment ekm
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more or less...

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment knukles
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And the Dems were worried about Palin

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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At the end of the day only 3 things matter..........OIL, GOLD AND CURRENCIES..........could it be that the Wall St/city of London/Nigel Farage axis wants the Euro to look bad so that the Dollar looks better? God forbid the Saudi's would want to replace the petro-dollar with the euro which does not have the legacy problems that the dollar has. I bet the Saudi's are screaming bloody murder about Ben's printaholic tendencies.

 

'Victor the Cleaner' suggests that the Dollar is 'cornered'............he maybe a European Central Banker....He certasinly has a "Euro-Centric POV'.....I dont know.....just trying to put the pieces together like everyone else....

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment sangell
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To be blunt, Cyprus has a 56 member legislature. The island is full of Russian nationals and influence. Why pour billions into a bailout when all you need is 29 legislators to block any deal. Say $10 million per vote or, if you can't buy the vote, a visit from some Russian 'gangsters'. 

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Escapedgoat
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You mean "Investors" riiight?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Monty Hall "Let's Make A Deal" players. Door 1, 2 or 3?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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It appears that Putin will prove to be the better chess player.

Sometimes the best move is to just step away and let chaos pave the way for you.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I wonder if Putin will get a Nobel Prize for saving Cyprus???

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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I believe that under the new rules of the Nobel committee, he'd have to bomb them first in order to be eligible for the "peace" prize.

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