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The Great British Cash EUxodus Begins
UK's deVere advisory group reports, "more and more expats in Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece are now not unreasonably worried for their deposits in these countries," and are seeing a "surge" in the number of British expats seeking advice about moving funds out of eurozone's most troubled economies. As EUBusiness reports, "Whether the institutions like it and accept it or not, there is a real risk of a major deposit flight from these countries as people feel their accounts could be plundered next." It is hardly surprising obviously (as we noted earlier the bid in German bunds) but we fear this escalation in cash exodus from the periphery will increase the need for a broader EU capital control scheme sooner rather than later.
Via EUBusiness,
Independent financial advisory company deVere Group on Tuesday reported a "surge" in the number of British expats seeking advice about moving funds out of some of the eurozone's most troubled economies following the Cyprus bailout deal.
According to deVere Group chief executive Nigel Green, "more and more expats in Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece are now not unreasonably worried for their deposits in these countries."
He added: "Over the last week, since the messy deal to bailout Cypriot banks began, our financial advisers in these areas have reported a significant surge in enquiries from expats who are looking to safeguard their funds in other jurisdictions which are perceived to be safer.
"Whether the institutions like it and accept it or not, there is a real risk of a major deposit flight from these countries as people feel their accounts could be plundered next."
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Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who heads the Eurogroup of finance ministers, said the costs of bank recapitalisations should not fall on tax payers, but on bondholders, shareholders and, if necessary, uninsured deposit holders.
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Giant sucking sound...
.here is where the law of unintended consequences has boxed them into a corner. Without "capital controls" like yours the money will flow OUT of the peripherals like spain and italy etc into Swiss and German banks.....BUT With capital controls the "EURO ZONE" cannot function without capital freely moving across borders....CAPITAL CONTROLS MUST BE IMPLEMENTED but at the same time Captital controls will destroy the the Euro economy growth....checkmate......They are between a rock and a hard place.....
So this is how 'The End Of The World' begins...
Not with a 'Bang' or a 'Whimper'...
but a terminal case of 'the runs'...
Dow will be 15000 and spx will be 1600 by the end of the week and all will be well. Stop worrying so much. Do you understand that their are genius's like Bernake and krugman who know how to resolve these issues. They are experts and have got our backs.
Sincerely,
Sheep # 86868531
"now not unreasonably worried"
This quote hurts my head. (sarc)
That '86868531' is tattooed on your forearm, right.
Got it at his local FEMA camp
Governments can never outgun free markets forever.
There may be light at the end of the tunnel
"Governments can never outgun free markets forever."
I know I may be partially retarded, but personally I haven't seen anything remotely resembling a 'free market' anywhere in years. Now they are coming up with brilliant ideas like 'depositor haircuts' and 'capital controls'...
And as for 'The light at the end of the tunnel'?
I've got a bad feeling as to what that is too...
You all need protected for your own good. Resistance is futile.
Sincerely Sheep #35867423
Best to get off the tracks.
I'm almost a mile in by boat Kiddo...
"To the extent that there is a central bank governing the amount of money in the system, that is not a free market" -Alan Greenspan
Watch Jon Stewart's brain explode, and then implode simultaneously (US Only):
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-18-2007/alan-greenspan
For those outside US, found a transcript of the exchange:
http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/004047.php
Flamethrower?
Dieselbomb.
pods
those free markets then change into black markets
Since Cypriot capital controls will be the de facto model, they have to be drafted carefully. It might take longer than Thursday.
Advisors from the IMF, the Federal Reserve, FinCen, the Bank of England, the Argentine government, and the Church of Satan are offering technical assistance.
CAPITAL CONTROLS, bItCHez. When you can't (or won't) fix the structural problem, fight the symptoms! (and punish the victims).
"...fight the symptoms and punish the victims." Is that like "punish the monkey and let the organ grinder go?"
hujel
Who could have guessed that this would happen, eh? LOL! Unfortunately, the masses keep thinking they're securing their wealth when they move funds from one country to the next, when it's all relative, because the same "illness" can (and probably will) befall all countries that have embarked on broad currency devaluation policies. Quit playing THEIR games (the banksters) and play YOURS. BUY PM's.
I have the solution, reverse capital controls and debt forgivness.
Forgive all debts
Raise Depositor Interest Rates to the effected areas
Sit back and drink lemonaid while the economy recovers and the people adore you.
O wait, they dont want a recovery, they want despotism... in that case, they can just steal everyones money and shoot the protestors.
Capital controls on a little jerkwater like Cyprus might work but once you write a generic capital controls law between Euro members then it really isn't a common currency union anymore.
Problem is unintended consequences don't stop there: flight of uninsured capitals will just put extra strain on banks, and insurance funds are dimensioned to save depositors of maybe one bank, not of every bank. That is the situation "insured" depositors have to face.
Capital controls on a little jerkwater like Cyprus might work but once you write a generic capital controls law between Euro members then it really isn't a common currency union anymore.
Bingo, the money is moving and it's going to safe areas regardless of the interest payout. When you start to steal the money from deposits, it's officially at the end.
Europeans should just convert their Euro fiat trash into physical PMs or bitcoins.
I love the smell of bank runs in the morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m5cjhwh1vA - Rothbard on Fractional Reserve Banking, Bank Runs, and FDIC
That's right. How did these fools come into money in the first place? Keeping money in a bank? Needing advice on what to do? Morons! Hahaha.....
Yeah, it's not like governments have ever confiscated, er bought, PM's from their citizenry at advantageous (for the gov) values before.
If you subscribe to that defeatist mindset, then why own PMs at all?
On a daily basis there are plenty of articles here detailing the size of liabilities worldwide, as we continually see nothing will stand in the way of using other people's assets to cover these shortfalls - law be damned.
As Elvis advised: I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused - just not feeling the amusement today.
Hell yeah bitcoin.. a real safe haven for your wealth..
smear that with a shitload of sark
Hey, I'm not a huge supporter of bitcoin myself. But at least bitcoin isn't centrally controlled/manipulated. Better to own fiat that isn't owned by the CBs (yes, yes I know bitcoin isn't "technically" fiat to all you bitcoin fanatics that were ready to pounce).
Where the hell are they going to go? I cannot believe, for example, that the UK Government would not (be pressured to) do a Cyprus even though it's not a Euro country.
Hey, we have lots of houses here in the US. And, they all have marble countertops on the kitchen islands. That's right, all of them.
You Brits like marble countertops, yes?
We even speak English.
It's never been a better time.
I think you are right parkave and so is the main article linked to ZH. This whole thing could be one giant plan to get people to spend.
Thanks for the endorsement Fonz. Probably good for 15-20 uparrows in itself. Gotta monetize those...
My thesis from the "Euro bond" thread:
The scenario I'm tossing around is this. Key assumption is that Ben prints but the Euro committees do not:
1) Big depositors in Euro zone go into hiding. Euros go under mattresses, into hoards, out of circulation. Euro scarcer, therefore stronger. Demand is inertial.
2) Some big depositors exchange to dollars, because Ben would never bail in. Ben is your friend. Euros are exchanged, handed in, and return home. If they are not recirculated, Euro scarcer, therefore stronger. Demand for it is still inertial.
3) US economy keeps jackknifing left-to-right, Ben hits the gas. All that converted wealth becomes diluted by sudden dollar weakness. Now the big depositor would be doubly screwed to reconvert back to the Euro which the big depositor was a party to making strong on that initial conversion. Euro still scarce, therefore stronger. Demand for it accelerates.
4) What we are looking at is a rotating pan-Atlantic di-polarity savings trap. There is certainly collusion between banks in the US and Europe. Bernanke sucks, Brussels blows. Or vice versa, depending on conditions. Whatever configuration necessitates the earner/saver at the fulcrum of their teeter-totter is what will be. It's really very simple, just massive in scale and elaborate up close.
...so we have capital flight from one region meets waiting market in another. Substitute "new US bank deposits" in point number 3 for "down or cash payments on real estate" in this latest scenario. Either/or. Rinse, repeat.
It's a fucking multi-continent wealth-shearing dynamo.
Good news for US homeowners is, there's a whole continent full of "bigger suckers" about to wash in on the tide of European deflation.
It is an interesting theory man. There is something big afoot. I tend to fall in line with the thinking on here that they are purposefully cracking down on safe havens to flush that money out into the economy. They may truly be at that desperation point. I mentioned elsewhere I was at one of the largest chain restaurants in America this am across from a huge shopping center and they were not accepting anything above $20.
That blew me away. If I was a big cash guy I would see that sign and freak the hell out. I'd start spending those big bills as fast as humanly possible. The writing is on the wall.
I can't wrap my head fully around the multi continent aspect of it but I step back and see this being globally coordinated to flush cash of any currency out into the open.
Right, at least in the US, they'll make up a lie or objectify a dastardly scarecrow enemy ... in our case I'll say, "Counterfeiters are ruining the economy! No more $100 bills! They might be poisonous!" which is of course DE FACTO CAPITAL CONTROL.
The multi-continent aspect can be imagined like the mechanical pumps of a dialysis machine:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/3581629812_87ce3fa4b0.jpg
The pump is a single arm on an axis. One side goes up, the other down, in reality they are moving clockwise in tandem and are a whole, single mechanism.
I'm no Tyler, I'm no Jim Willie, I'm just saying, I can see it happening in slow motion.
I tend to agree - adding in the geopolitical pressure. A big, ugly chess game. Fiat/debt is the weapon of war.
Simply amazing to watch... even if it is impossible to figure out exactly who is pulling what string. As an example, it is quite clear that no one (even politicians) are stupid enough to simply grab deposits. And if they tried, EU leaders would have slammed it immediately. That leaves us with the only logical conclusion that it is absolutely on purpose and part of a much larger play. The risks are high here, so it is a very big play. The chips have been pushed to the middle of the table. My jaw is on the floor at this point.
I hear you. I would say scenario's like these are so incredibly accurate someone somewhere just fell off their chair in Utah reading your post....or we have overestimated these assclowns so much it's amazing.
It's a big club, but were not in it! lol. I think most politicians make perfect "tools" due to the predictability of greed. The system policing itself now like most other parts of society.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_monkey_banana_and_water_spray_experime...
No, we haven't overestimated the damage they could do. I don't believe so. And to Centerline's point, they have to make changes in tiny increments and in perfect sequence. I think you can look at it like defusing a bomb, or even like assembling one. Baby steps.
I wonder how your observation in the restaurant correlates to the ZH article (weeks ago)about how the Treasury has been reducing the production of every bill except for the hundred? Now capital controls on depositors. This is all choreographed.
hurry up before blackrock buys all of the foreclosed ex-meth houses in Phoenix and New Mexico to rent to illegals
I fucking hate marble countertops.
And what is American's problem with modern house? You drive by any American neighborhood and 99% of the houses are built like they were 50 years ago.
Actually 50 years ago there were at least something called the mid-century moderns. Now all house builders go backward.
How's that Mediterrenean villa working out for ya, mate?
Now sign right here, and ... here, and one more right here.
The time to buy these is when there's blood in the streets. Remember? E.g. my sister bought a nice house and land in Croatia (with amazing view of the Adriatic), when they were fighting the Serbs in the 90's. For what you pay for a car. Don't know about your car, but her place is now even more amazing with each year.
I'd target Spain, Portugal, Italy right after they collapse. Better recovery prospects than South Chicago.
I imagine that her success is driven by doing her homework, paying cash, having an existing income spoken for or a very solid, good plan for new income, and beating the crowd - which implies beating the profiteers who would feed the crowd when the crowd can't help themselves.
You imagine correctly.
Sorry you can keep your Meth Labs, I prefer boating trips ;)
More Miami condo buyers!
Yes!! MOAR English lobsters cruising around Miami Beach looking for empanadas!
I just can't see how this can go ahead for longer than few weeks.
Pre-planned collapse. Obama must have refused to provide more money to europe.
As if Obama could make such a decision.
Regardless of who commands him, LEGALLY, only the president can make such a decision.
"Legally"... ROFLMAO *snicker* LOL *giggle*
It may sound funny, but I'm being quite serious.
Yes, and Congress *must* authorize war, which also sounds funny.
Incorrect.
The president can authorize war. Congress must only FUND war.
How did Vietnam end? Congress defunded it, hence withdrawal.
And every last one of those "leaders" will do what their handlers tell them to do.
You sound like a puppet-show addict.
It has been, it is and it always be a puppet show.
If you read history, you'd easily understand this.
I'm referring to formal declarations of war, which are circumvented, of course.
Correct
By constitution, Boehner is way more powerful than Obama since he's got the purse.
Republicans can decide to fund or defund. Only that they are not republican. Most of the repubs would easily be dems.
I always suspected that Boner carried a purse.
They prefer the term "man bag."
I'm working and blogging simultaneously.
You know what I mean.
They do whatever the fuck they want when they want...there is no real rule of law..
Except when its time to pay taxes, then the law stands firm
Uncle Jamie Dimon welcomes you with open arms.
I thought those were tentacles? Or are those testicles?
Tentacles. N-T.
Ooooohhhhhh. . . . . . . tentacle porn!
Tentacles = Lloyd = Goldman Sachs
Testicles = Man Sack
Ball-less needle dick = Jamie Die Man
I hope this helps.
Hey lady... easy on us 'needle dicks'...
And the balls are there if you look real closely... :)
Bank-on you crazy Dimon...
Of course he welcomes you with open arms. Chase charges higher fees than any of these EU banks I know of (or deal with). Maybe that's why he's richer... Americans will take the fees up their... all year long.
Duh!
Continent wide capital controls and deposit confiscation schemes/taxes/raids/heists will work...only if they are enacted very quickly. Ask Cyprus.
They will work until there is no food on the shelves and riots in the streets.
A lot of the English can and do grow their own food.
Even I had an allotment, and grew veggies when I was there at one point.
If the UK domino falls the US won't be far behind.The UK is still by far the
biggest investor in the states ,and vice versa.
If you're not growing at least some of your food right now, you're nuts. I've got 14 rows planted and coming up nicely (along with 2 cross-pollinating apple trees).
Victory garden, bitchez!
An apple a day will keep you sick and tired of apples after about two weeks.
I hope they can keep that stiff upper lip when the banks tell them, "What money?"
Tradition is important.
And where are they going to flee to? Back to the pound? They'll get at least as fleeced there too, only through inflation instead. Somehow, confiscation is actually a more honest way of doing it.
Yeah, where indeed.
Just spit-balling here...going out on a limb... taking a shot in the dark... how about precious metals?
Yeah, I know, you put your money in a gold or silver ETF, and then if the financial system holds together, your investment never grows. And if the financial system collapses, you can't collect. So what to do? What to do?
Hmmm, hey wait a minute! What about physical precious metals? You know, actually taking physical delivery of the physical metal? Sure, you've got to find a secure place to store your PMs. A bank vault might be problematic, because if the bank closes, you don't have access to your PMs any more. Or the bank might sell your gold to someone else without your knowledge. But what about a private vault or your own safe? Hmmm.
Oh, I know, people who would put their wealth in precious metals that way are nut cases. I mean, there is no way that today's financial system will ever actually collapse! Let's not get crazy!
So, I guess stocks must be the way to go. Afterall, that is what our central bank masters would like us to do, so stocks must be ok. Party on!
The socialist snowball gathers speed, flee the village!!
There are plenty tarp-bailed out, insolvent, mark to fastasy banks right in the 'city of london'..............right Nigel?
"sooner rather than later"
Can you spot the understatement of the decade?
Think large multinational corporate deposits! Annnnd......we're gone.
I would suggest that gone means to the Rockefeller Group. Give them a call to ask about your money - 212-282-2000
Teller at ScotiaMocatta said today they were out of gold Kruggerands, Pandas, Eagles, Buffalos. Gold Maples in stock and 1/4 oz Sovereigns still present in the vault.
Banks are paying only a tiny bit more in interest than you earn on your PMs, but PMs give you inflation protection and if you own physical, you make it harder for the thieves to take it away from you.
That giant sucking sound is Jim Carry in Bloomberg's office.
BitCoin at new all time high: Last price::$79.72001
except the volume is quite low; and, counter-intuitively, all the action appears to be in the usd as opposed to the euro where one would expect most of the action would be after cyprus
Bitcoin up 64% since Cyprus crisis. Silver down a bit. Silver would be over $47 an ounce if it had replicated bitcoin's gain.
It is a bizarro world where real money gets hammered while fiat currency is imploding.
There will be a day when the supply of physical becomes so tight that it cannot be ignored anymore. That'll be the moment when the real price of physical recouples. Until then, BTFD.
If I were a UK or Russian person trying to find a new home for my paper/fiat money, I'd buy up PM by the fucking TON, and keep it under armed guard at my Mediterranean villa that the desperate Spaniards, Portuguese, Greeks, Italians or Cypriot sold me.
I'd thus precipitate a bank plus PM run, by drying up the supply for PM billion. If the BRIC+ CB's aren't doing the same thing already.
Damn those fiat-CBs' to hell! Every last one of them.
Yes, several of us have noted this, PM price moves are in lockdown. I think one of bitcoin's move valuable aspects right now is that it's laregely immune from manipulation, so it's one of the few barometers TPTB can't tamper with.
Look at the gold COMEX inventory here (select 1M): http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COMXGOLD:IND
The market is behaving rationally (sucking up AU) even if the prices aren't (flat on increased demand, really?!) 12% decline in inventory in one month, with a 1% price move in the same time frame.
i dont pretend to be an expert on btc, but i disagree w/ this
the behaviour of btc reminds me of penny stock moves. it would not be inconceivable for a number of large btc holders, each with multiple wallets of btc, just to shuffle btc around on low volume and driving prices up at the margin. sure it would require some marginal capital but at this point it would appear that the greater fools from general public are ready to jump in while the pump and dump promoters bail out. but hey, dont beat me up over this. that's just what i think is happening. this parabolic rise is not organically natural
This rise is too strongly correlated with the financial stress in Europe, and the major exchanges have waiting lists of people waiting for their documents to be processed (aka know your customer BS). Mt. Gox currently has about 6,000 waiting.
I think the rise actually is organic -- it's from a combination of panic and a rush to speculate, but it really doesn't look to me like it's traders gaming the value, just intense demand. I'm not saying it's not a bubble, just that the forces behind it are real rather than manipulation. The tricks we see with gold (short sales, forcing settlement in dollars, rehypothecation) can't be done in BTC, so it's comparatively immune to manipulation at the level we see in gold.
why is the volume in usd so much higher than in euro? would you not expect europeans and others (iran, argentina, russia) panic into btc? the usd is relatively "safe" today. imo, there is no fundamental reason why usd holders would be motivated to panic (at this time) and sell usd for btc. one explanation is the one i gave above. there could be 6000 waiting but are these new entrants or is most of the price generated by churn that attracts a dozen new btc buyers here and there?
Someone name me a country where if you have money in an uninsured account you get to keep the money if the bank fails. Even in USA if you have more than 100000(250000 for a while) it vanishes.
Not like they didn't know, there is a sign on the front door telling you this???
If you have more than 100000 and your not deversified across accounts and countries you do it to yourself.
Shaten, it's is STILL 250k per depositor................where are you getting they went back to 100k?.
According to my Bank, it's still 250k.
it's still 250k thus why I put that number in parenthesis.
It was suppose to drop on December 31, 2013, though that may get extended.
And tell me how are they going to pay for all these 250Ks? With more printed money? Weimar knows all about wheelbarrows
Keep an eye on eur/gbp. I doubt that there will be huge flows back into GB.(jumping from one frying pan into another)
Probably into Aus, Cad, US. Germany is buying Aus. dollar and bonds like crazy right now.
For sure they won't be moving their money into RBS, they've already had (liquidity problems) computer problems that have frozen accounts for days.
Reminds me of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Merkel and company just had to see what was in the box. I guess they are finding out.
Close your eyes...don't look.
You mean wearing those Nazi uniforms and everything?
I'm not so sure about the Nazi uniforms, but the melting faces definitely look the same.
Another homage to jews and Rabbinical Talmudism: Is there any popular mythology in the west concerning Germans in which Germans do not symbolize murder, rape, pillaging, and holocaustianity of Jews? Especially myths created by Hollywood and even more so Jewish scum bags like Steven "The Rabbi" Spielberg.
All the west kissed jewman Spielberg's ugly Rabbi ass for his "great" line from the Talmud in Schindler's List: "If you save one life, you save the whole world." One little Talmudic Jewish problem with this line. It's a lie. The actual Talmudic line is: "If you save one Jewish life, you save the whole world." Sorry, you stupid, gullible, idiotic goyim. Your jewish masters love passing you from jew to jew master by the ring in your nose.
I will pay money for any example in Western mythology with an image of WW2 era Germans where they do not appear as Hitlerian causers of holocaustianity.
How can you not laugh in any jews face for claiming they descend from Abraham the Palestinian when their very genetic DNA proves they came from NW Turkey/Khazaria, a war loving blood thirsty group of scum bags if ever such people existed.
Spielberg. Appropriate name for a bullshitter.
spiel (speel, shpeel) Informal n.
A lengthy or extravagant speech or argument usually intended to persuade. intr. & tr.v. spieled, spiel·ing, spiels
To talk or say (something) at length or extravagantly.
Example: I listened to the salesman's spiel but still refused to buy anything."I will pay money for any example"
Das Boot
Now give 10 bucks to the first passerby you meet.
Forgive my ethnic ignorance here, and sorry ZH'ers for digressing from the main topic, but are you saying that the ppl we know as 'Jews' are not the same ones from the Bible? Or are you referring to a subset (from parts of Central Europe)?
And, BTW, "Spiel berg" = 'Play hill' translated from German, which seems perfect for 80% of translation from Yiddish.
Ok so depositors over 100k lose in a bank failure. Does that mean they need to contribute to a bank rescue?
Ok so depositors over 100k lose in a bank failure. Does that mean they need to contribute to a bank rescue?
Not in the US.Each depositor is insure to 250k the only thing that REVERTED back to 100k were non interest bearing Unlimited business accounts.
I cannot believe that this will be limited to UK investors, and deposit flight is certain to spread to every shaky EU country. Way to go ECB, IMF and EU!
dollar rips and ben shalom shits himself
You have been warned by the world banksters/Money changers they will take money from accounts.
It destroys all trust from the financial system.
It's everyone for themselves now.
maybe this is their wicked plan.. capital flees EUR..to UK insolvent banks... then haircuts there as well.. it truely is a shell game, with a touch of musical chairs.. bank to bank to bank.. where it stops.. no body knows.. except for this one rule.. no bank is safe.. anywhere .. at any time.. PERIOD
Now there's no chance that Mr Green is talking his book, is there?
This exactly.
Who is Mr. Green?
With a 12 handle on the VIX, the U.S. market is hardly giving any credence to a European bank run. Our market, of course, was "wrong" prior to the 2008 meltdown, wrong in the beginning of Year 2000, etc., but "right" about 90% of the time.
So, only buy you puts, and your UVXY calls after the SPX has a big >2% down day.
Run, Forex, Run...... Diesel Bomb is coming.....
Well played.
I always thought fractional reserve banking could not exist without depositor insurance.
I never thought I would be proved correct and incorrect at the same time.
I agree that capital controls will not work in a free market (tee hee) system.
There must be a lot of European bankers looking over their shoulders these days.
Bullish for polonium rehab centers,and charter aircraft for stranded,broke hookers.
thinking that like the Asian crisis in 1998 gave markets a beating, this euro crisis will give markets a beating, but the dow and S&P will soar to new highs in 2015 before peaking and then crashing into the US's turn on this sovereign debt crisis.
Your crystal ball see's calm and ever increasing markets through 2015?
I better go all in then (sarc/)...
CNBS is providing comic relief currently with their "expert analysis" via The All-American Economic Survey...
BAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
CNBC UK/Europe lateley seems especially keen to talk about the "coming soon" normalization of interest rates, I often wonder who their target audience is , Traders know this is bollocks, they i know its bollocks, I know its bollocks anybody who may believe it is watching Judge Judy...very odd
That pompous, self-righteous, know-it-all Judge Judy makes >$50M per year! Why? Good question. Probably 'tithes' tons of it to good causes, so it's network-sponsered tithing in a way. ;-)
Get out of the Fiat Ponzi, buy physical shining yellow stuff and stick it in a vault. Never declare it and leave them to screw the fools who keep their money in bank accounts.
Last month I had dinner with 3 guys in San Fran (on biz trip). One guy told us that when his father died, the lawyer called him with directions to hidden safe in the house. Told him to get all its shiny contents and 'paper' out, w/o saying a word to anyone. Contents now in new location of unspecified location.
Remember: In a court of law, it matters not what you (or the other side) believe, but what you can prove. No proof, no case. Case closed.
Wow ! An honest lawyer, he was so lucky !
The Bank Robbers own the Banks...Trojan Horse
So the guy told you this fact. He shouldn't have to.
Gold should be much higher right now.This reminds me of the diamond cartel where they control this huge supply in Antwerp and Amsterdam,locked away,to support the price.
Besides Gold I wonder if I was the China Bank,I would slowly begin to dump T-bills on the market,grab the cash,buy physical. In time of war you can get whatever you require with physical. This is probably happening through off-shore chinese hedge funds as we speak.
This is the canary in the coal mine. Also,Bullish for pipeline disasters in southeastern Europe.
[sigh] Who really gives a damn about the gold price "should be much higher"? You sound like just another speculator, looking to make a quick fiat-buck. And then what!?
I am happy to keep it at affordable prices to keep stacking. When it goes up, it will simply explode in fiat-price and guys like you and me won't get one single ounze of it on the market.
I treat it as a non-taxable, non-traceable, non-confiscatable, non-printable, non-inflationary asset. That is also quite portable and fungible. It's the ultimate private store of value. And please don't bore us with ROI, when we are now more concerned with Return OF Investments, not Return ON Investments.
BTDF and keep stacking. Along with other "stuff of life" that you'll need first.
deVere's are the biggest commission sharks in the 'independent financial advice' game! They'll be happy as a pig in shit helping all those worried expats shift their funds into one of their recommended 25 year savings plans......of course that'll be for a 10% upfront fee, plenty of trail commission and massive penalties for early redemptions! Searching 'deVere scam' brings up some cracking stories from the clients they've taken to the cleaners, these swines prey on anything with a pulse.
Switzerland is still the place to deposit. I don't think Switzerland will ever implement wealth tax. There's a reason why Switzerland is Switzerland.
Offshore Banking Guise: Swissquote Bank
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByzM9UpynQjPakVPQzVKWG9RRVU
They have had one for ages.
Contagion alert! Zound da alahm!!! STABILITEE NAOW!!!!!
that's it, tomorrow i'm opening an account in the cayman islands ... wait, what's their leverage ? what have they been investing on ? greek bonds, bank of cyprus shares, spanish real estate, american subprimes, CDS ?????
Go for Belize. Some of their banks are leveraged less than 4:1. They are required, I believe, to be leveraged less than 12:1.
Of course, you must decide who to trust. You can meet the Belize bankers if you travel there. It is a nice vacation spot.
"D_Boombloem, who heads the Eurogroup of finance ministers, said the costs of bank recapitalisations should not fall on tax payers, but on bondholders, shareholders and, if necessary, uninsured deposit holders. "
I don't see anything about the burden falling on PM holders, even if stored at a bank.
" we fear this escalation in cash exodus from the periphery will increase the need for a broader EU capital control scheme sooner rather than later."
Get some current facts before sending pixels to screens.
Here in France, two weeks ago there was no problem withdrawing €1500. Last week, €500. Today €300. Tomorrow, who knows? It costs €150 to fill a car's tank. Perhaps we will feed the car on one day and feed ourselves, the next.
To transfer €10,000 from Switzerland to France costs €8. To transfer €10,000 from France to Switzerland costs €1300.
Is this sooner?
The European Single Market Treaty specifically prohibits any restriction on the free movement of people/goods/capital between EU member states. This treaty is/was perhaps the only good thing about the EU as Margaret Thatcher said, (but of course it could easily have been implemented without an EU-cratocracy).
Sadly, we know this treaty has recently been violated by Diesel-BOOM's Cyprus solution (exchange controls) and there are other examples of it being violated going back a number of years, not least by Tony Blair's UK govt when his Chancellor at the time (a Marxist called Gordon Brown) imposed severe limits on the quantities of booze/cigarettes that Brits could bring home into the UK from Europe, thereby saving themselves a lot of govt tax. It took several years of legal threats by the EU-cratocracy to get Brown's illegal rule lifted. And he used Paul Boateng as a scapegoat, sacking him.
We now see Brits wanting to move their € cash out of troubled ClubMed countries due to genuine fears of having it plundered by those governments. If exchange controls are introduced to prevent it, it will -- or should -- be the final nail in the coffin of the EZ and the EU.
They will permit movement of capital under central bank supervision. The EU is currently dusting off a draft law to permit use of depositor funds in bailout situations