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Russian Withdrawals Quantified As Cyprus Central Bank Set To Expand Emergency Credit By Up To €3 Billion

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When we reported yesterday that over the past week, the Russian depositors in Cypriot banks had managed to find loopholes through which to pull out billions in supposedly halted deposits (courtesy of bank shutdowns and capital controls) some, accurately, balked: if that were the case the Cyprus Centeral Bank would need a proportionate increase in emergency funding from the ECB (in the form of ELA) to make up for the deposit outflows. Which is why moments ago Welt reported precisely what we had been expecting to read all morning: the Cyprus Central Bank is about to demand even more cash from the ECB to plug the holes left from the stealthy Russian outflows.

  • CYPRUS CENTRAL BANK PLANS EXPANDING EMERGENCY CREDIT: WELT
  • CYPRUS PLANS EXPANDING EMERGENCY CREDIT BY EU2.5B-EU3B: WELT
  • DIE WELT CITES UNIDENTIFIED PERSONS FAMILIAR WITH THE MATTER

Remember: this is just a feeler by the Cyprus Central Bank in direction Frankfurt - the last thing Cyprus wants is to expose just how big the full liquidity hole is resulting from the stealthy Russian deposit outflows. We expect when all is said and done, the full incremental bailout needs to rise in the double digits.

 

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Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376660 MsCreant
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There can be no bailout big enough to cover the hole in these balance sheets and in this story.

Give it up you fuckers!

Lying sacks of shit.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376669 whotookmyalias
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Please be patient while we make up more lies to cover the truth.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376678 camaro68ss
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The Bernake can print that in less then an hour. He's got this.

Continue the rally people, the voice is on tonight!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:39 | 3376695 Stoploss
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Uhh, yeah, Angie, we're going to need about another 30B to cover the ruskies departure.

Will update you later on ebbody else..

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:41 | 3376716 toys for tits
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That'll leave a welt.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:45 | 3376749 camaro68ss
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This bitch is going to be a slow bleeder

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:51 | 3376766 flacon
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Money money, money, muss lustig sein, in eines reichen Mannes Welt.

(Money money, money, must be funny, in a rich man's world.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:51 | 3376804 HoofHearted
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Nobody could have seen this coming. Nobody among TPTB at least.

We here at ZH know this stuff days in advance. Now we just have to figure out how to make a little fiat off of each piece of knowledge and then we can own all the PMs!!!

Hey TPTB, all your gold and silver are belong to ZH.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:14 | 3377006 gmrpeabody
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"Give it up you fuckers!

Lying sacks of shit."

Wow..., MsCreant, you've changed.  ;-)

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:38 | 3377200 Cognitive Dissonance
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Even those of us who claim to have our eyes wide open have clung to some small hope that the insanity would abate and the worst of our fears would not be realized.

That hope is beginning to fade fast.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:40 | 3377223 gmrpeabody
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Amen, brother!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:47 | 3377246 Cognitive Dissonance
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I have bouts of primal anger that sits deep in my stomach. It is a bitter pill to swallow........let alone digest. Sometimes I must force myself to be calm, to understand that there are some things I cannot control.

However I do not need to be a victim and that understanding begins deep within. I just need to remind myself of this.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:53 | 3377610 Big Slick
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Gold busts through 1599.  I KEEP STACKING!

THANK YOU MR. BERNANKE!!!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:41 | 3376718 Pladizow
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I wanna see the fireworks already!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:08 | 3377388 boogerbently
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I keep wondering why serial killers don't make more productive use of their homocidal tendencies than killing innocent strangers in malls and theatres.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:59 | 3377905 Kirk2NCC1701
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You mean, why they don't "up" their skill level and go after less innocent and more challenging targets in finance and politics? 

Note that even Hanibal Lecter did not go after the innocents, but went after the truly depraved and debauched.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:41 | 3376719 krispkritter
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I'm thinking this is the start of the Black Hole of Banking. It will eventually collapse in on itself in order to 'plug the hole' but the size and speed of the collapse will create the Event Horizon from which no deposits can escape...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:46 | 3376760 camaro68ss
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I disagree, break some windows, save the world

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:58 | 3376874 forrestdweller
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a warhole

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:00 | 3377653 deKevelioc
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EUR30 at a time.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:44 | 3376737 redpill
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I like how they continue to pretend that there will be anything left of any of these banks by the time this is done. Everyone is going to pull their shit out as fast as possible, insured or not. How does a bank pay back billions in "emergency liquidity" when they have no depositors left?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:54 | 3376827 camaro68ss
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cyprus is F***ed. the moment those doors open the accounts will empty. Bank Runs dont end after you take 40% of the peoples money. The people will want to pullout the last 60% and hide it in a tin can in the backyard.

anyone who leaves any money in those banks after this are retarted and should starve to death

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:45 | 3377254 pods
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Yep, I dont care how many times they fuck, they ain't getting their virginity back.

pods

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 16:53 | 3378879 Mentaliusanything
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The internet is a wonderful thing. The transfer of money cannot be stopped for payment of things ordered over it. One genuine hand painted Russian Babushka doll cir 1870 was brought for an insane amount under auction. Now I have both the doll and the money. Go figure how completly stupid this thing is. Thank you Fleabay / paypal your fee was most laughable compaired to the real thiefs

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 14:14 | 3377989 Kirk2NCC1701
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Never  mind the Russian depositors' withdrawals... How about the UK depositors' withdrawal from Cyrpus Banks?  Recall from ZH article a couple/few days ago, showing the deposits and withdrawals in a plot.

So, since I don't easily distract with side-shows for the masses, can we shine the spot light on the "UK story" also?  Tyler?

/The rest of you, please feel free to return to Dr. Pavlov's Canine Show in progress. /s

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:40 | 3376705 MsCreant
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The Bernan Key = control P(rint)

Paper the lies with more paper lies! Quick! Let's all form a pyramid. It will look solid and they will either buy in or go away.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376768 zdk45
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there's something to that...The "Bernan Key"...or how about 'The Burnin' Key' ....ahhhh, I look forward to laughing about all of this after all the money is gone and wwIII is over...good times...good times...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:06 | 3376937 SubjectivObject
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This pyramid you speak of, .... Is it oriented .... point up, or point down????

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 20:30 | 3379636 StychoKiller
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Which direction hurtz the most?

Wed, 03/27/2013 - 00:36 | 3380223 Moonrajah
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Bernan Key?

 

Make that Bear Nun Key, and then you're on to something.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376686 knukles
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Not all peasants are equal

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:42 | 3376723 kliguy38
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Just make sure you don't invest in gold.......CNBS just did their morning hit piece on gold and let you know how stupid gold investors are.....hehehehe

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:24 | 3377107 BennyBoy
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The ECB is allowing the russian billionaire peasants to take their money out of Cyprus thru foreign branches so Mother Russia doesn't cut off oil and gas to Europe next winter.

Financial politics are fun for everyone!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 14:05 | 3377940 Kirk2NCC1701
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100% correct.  But you need to have a large enough account, to get that kind of access/services.  The common man needs to spread their wealth across various banks in various places/countries, and keep enough cash at home.  Which is totally foreign to Americans, who are brainwashed to use plastic and ATMs.  Like sheep to a slaughter...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:39 | 3376700 AlaricBalth
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The London branches of Laiki and Bank of Cyprus never closed. If fact they allowed unlimited withdrawals during the bank holiday.
From Reuters:
EU negotiators knew something was wrong when the Central Bank of Cyprus requested more banknotes from the European Central Bank than the withdrawals it was reporting to Frankfurt implied were needed, an EU source familiar with the process said. "The amount the Cypriots mentioned... on a daily basis was much less than it was in reality," the source said.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:40 | 3376710 fonzannoon
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Are they still open now? That would be hysterical.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:45 | 3376750 AlaricBalth
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This is on the front page of the Bank of Cyprus UK website:

There is no effect on deposits with Bank of Cyprus UK Limited which is a UK bank.

http://www.bankofcyprus.co.uk/

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376770 BurningFuld
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If they are still open I want to go and deposit some money and watch the tellers head explode.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:48 | 3376777 Gief Gold Plox
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I'd pay to see that.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:50 | 3376786 AlaricBalth
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That is funny. +1
And in more developments:

@BBCWorld : Bank of Cyprus employees outside own HQ - "We haven't got a clue what's going on. No one has told us anything" - via @_ChrisMorris 43 minutes ago

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:56 | 3376847 camaro68ss
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Ill give you a hint Mr. employee.... your out of a job in 1 week.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:46 | 3376758 Mercury
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How do you say:

Give me my money unless you want to glow in the dark as you slowly die!

in Russian?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:53 | 3376828 Shevva
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Why waste time just send a photo of the wife picking up the kids of a bwanker with a withdrawal slip to empty your account.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:48 | 3377271 pods
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I think that is why they left the back door open; probably sent them instructions on how to move it too.

pods

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:17 | 3377429 Urban Redneck
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I'm not so sure, if they knew where to watch then Schauble would have had a more realistic number over the weekend that reflected COB Friday balances...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:08 | 3377385 inevitablecollapse
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????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??? ?? ???????? ???????! ? ??????

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 20:31 | 3379649 StychoKiller
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No answers here, only questions! :>D

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:51 | 3376796 Disenchanted
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"From Reuters:"

 

No one knows exactly how much money has left Cyprus' banks, or where it has gone. The two banks at the centre of the crisis - Cyprus Popular Bank, also known as Laiki, and Bank of Cyprus - have units in London which remained open throughout the week and placed no limits on withdrawals. Bank of Cyprus also owns 80 percent of Russia's Uniastrum Bank, which put no restrictions on withdrawals in Russia. Russians were among Cypriot banks' largest depositors.

 

While ordinary Cypriots queued at ATM machines to withdraw a few hundred euros as credit card transactions stopped, other depositors used an array of techniques to access their money.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:54 | 3376838 HoofHearted
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Arb-i-fucking-trage, bitchez.

I hope many Cypriots had friends in London or in Moscow who could help them.

Fuck the banksters, fuck the Eurocrats.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:53 | 3376822 Bam_Man
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And there are more rich Russian gangsters - I mean oligarchs - in London than in Moscow. Makes sense...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:13 | 3377012 Cacete de Ouro
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"on a daily basis was much less than it was in reality."

Reminds me of when Jeff Christian at the CFTC hearing on PM manipulation said

"People say, and you heard it today, there is not that much physical metal out there, and there isn’t. But in the “physical market” as the market uses that term, there is much more metal than that…there is a hundred times what there is"

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:17 | 3377043 SpiceMustFlow
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"Shit you mean they had OTHER banks?!?!"

Another example of markets gaping retarded bureaucrats. Fuck the eurozone.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:30 | 3377159 chindit13
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The two things you note are unrelated.  Tyler's article yesterday probably confused you.  The London banks are subsidiaries, not branches.  They operate under UK law, and are capitalized completely separately from the Cyprus banks.  There is no crossover of deposits.  They operate under UK law and their deposits---which have nothing to do with deposits in Cyprus---are guaranteed under UK law.  Someone with an account in Cyprus has no account at the London sub, and would not be able to withdraw anything there (unless he had a completely different account).  He would be as likely to be able to withdraw funds from the London subsidiary as he would withdrawing from HSBC.  Totally separate entities. 

Let's say you have a bank account at Citibank in NY.  If you go to Hong Kong, where Citibank has a subsidiary, you cannot withdraw from your NY account in Hong Kong, because it is a separate entity.  You don't have an account at the HK subsidiary just because you bank with Citi in NYC.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:28 | 3377463 Urban Redneck
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US Banks have always been a bad service comp b/c of the BSA (and other) regs.  However, I do know some Asians who use Citibank precisely because they can go to a Citibank NA branch and have a free espresso and free long-distance telephone service back home when issues arise while they are in the US, even if the US teller idiots can't even see how much money they have in their Asian accounts.   The better question is- among the various transfer loopholes left open by the freeze order could the Cypress Bank move assets to the UK affiliate in circumvention of the freeze (and if so, with or without SWIFT)?  

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:32 | 3377465 Dr. Kananga
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The Bank of Cyprus UK operates as a subsidiary, but not Laiki Bank UK

 

LONDON | Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:11pm GMT

(Reuters) - The British arm of one of Cyprus's main banks said customers could continue to withdraw their cash but warned that deposits above 100,000 euros may not be safe.

 

Laiki Bank UK, owned by Popular Bank of Cyprus CPBC.CY - also known as Laiki - operates as a branch of its parent and gave clearer guidance on its website on Monday telling customers they are protected up to 100,000 euros by the Cyprus Deposit Protection Scheme and not the UK's compensation scheme.

 

"This means that if our bank is unable to meet its financial obligations, your eligible deposits are protected up to a total of 100,000 euros per depositor," the notice said. Britain's Financial Services Authority did not return calls for comment on whether it had forced the clearer guidance.

Ruth Harvey, a member of Laiki Bank UK's management team, said the bank was open as normal and there were no limits on withdrawals and no change to conditions. "We are waiting to hear the details out of Cyprus," she said when asked how savers with more than 100,000 euros might be affected.

Cyprus clinched a deal on Monday that will see Laiki shut down and heavy losses inflicted on uninsured depositors, aimed at averting a collapse of the banking system. Deposits above 100,000 euros will be frozen at Laiki and its bigger rival Bank of Cyprus BOC.CY.

Bank of Cyprus UK operates as a subsidiary, so has its own capital and is covered by the UK's deposit guarantee of up to 85,000 pounds.

Bank of Cyprus also owns 80 percent of Russia's Uniastrum Bank, which said it had not put any restrictions on withdrawals in Russia. It said no taxes or measures to bail out the Bank of Cyprus will be applied to Uniastrum.

"Even if after the events in Cyprus our partner, the Bank of Cyprus, will be forced to sell its stake in the Russian bank, this will not affect the financial condition and strategy of Uniastrum Bank," its president Gagik Zakarian said in a statement.

Cyprus has close links with Russia, and Laiki also has significant operations in eastern Europe, including about 140 branches across Ukraine, Russia, Serbia and Romania.

Its 2011 annual report showed it had 1.7 billion euros of customer deposits outside Cyprus and Greece, or 8 percent of the bank's deposits at the time.

(Reporting by Steve Slater; Additional reporting by Katya Golubkova; Editing by Louise Heavens)

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:44 | 3376736 sunnydays
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so how many billions were taken out that had been 40% of equalling 3 billion?   There was a huge run on the bank last week.  

Oh, but gold and silver have ignored it all.  They sure are working against gold and silver hard too.  I hope they lose their asses!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:15 | 3377703 phalfa5
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waiters set the table while the c(r)ooks make off with the feast

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376681 Gief Gold Plox
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This must be why Diesel-BOOM retracted his "template" statement.

Whoever is next in line for a Troika makeover will be dealt with properly, the first time around. None of this "just a bit more non-sense."

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:42 | 3376713 knukles
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Right
They're gonna get a whole boat load spilling over the gunwales, way too much information, gobbledegook fucking unintelligible unfair nonsense

Apocalypse Now

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:18 | 3377718 WallowaMountainMan
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disagree.

he only modified  the term 'template' because it was taken to refer to eu policy when it in fact that policy did not exist. policy statements are a process of any organization and decided within that processes. as yet, that has not happened.

not only has he not change the message of what he said in the transcript, he repeats it freely.

he is in no way inconsistent with regard to that.

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:40 | 3376707 Meat Hammer
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Wait a minute....and they pushed the re-opening of the banks from today to Thursday?  I'm sure it's just a coincidence.  They probably just want a couple extra days to count the people's money and make sure it's all there for them, and by them I don't mean the people.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:25 | 3377118 Wile-E-Coyote
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Wait for the correction, 80% deduction needed after the discovery the Russian money is gone.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376763 BlueStreet
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In other news Andreas Artemis was just seen boarding a plane for Moscow.  

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:49 | 3376781 TooBearish
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meanwhile - just hittin tape- EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT TO PUSH FOR DEPOSITORS WITH ABOVE 100,000  
EUROS TO FACE BAIL-IN UNDER NEW BANK RESOLUTION LAW - EU       
LAWMAKER                                                       

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:53 | 3376819 xtop23
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I wonder how much payola was tossed around to allow access during the bank holiday to the +100k accounts. If you have 500 million euro and you are looking at a 225+ million euro loss, throwing a 10 million euro "bonus" to a soon to be unemployed bank exec is simply smart business.

I don't blame them actually. I'd do it too.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:15 | 3377030 Buck Johnson
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I knew it, I knew it and the ECB should have known it.  As one commentor said that it would be impossible for the Russians and others to stealthly move much of their funds because it would have been tied up financial instruments that would be hard to liquidate.  I said no they would move the instruments OUT of the Cyprus control and then sell/liquidate them later in a better bank.  This is exactly a feeler, because they know that they will need 30 billion at least.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376661 Super Broccoli
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wow that was fast, at least the greeks were waiting to receive the money before asking for more !

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:40 | 3376708 machineh
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Yep, the second bailout of Cyprus is already beginning, just as disbursements under Bailout I commence.

Bailout III by summer ...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:45 | 3376751 Super Broccoli
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no bailout III is about ermmmmm... NOW

 

10 billions ? nah i ment 13. Wait i need 20 now !

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:49 | 3376778 camaro68ss
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Its called a bailin you silly sally

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:10 | 3376975 OldE_Ant
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lmao.  Bailout III.   More like Hangover IV, or Kick The Can XI.

How much do you need now?

10B.   Ring. 

Oh wait I have a correction. 13B. 

Ring.  Oh sorry 16B. 

Ring..  20B?!

Ring, Ring, Ring..

Well when you figure it out give us a call!   Until then how about a complimentary dish set just for playing!

What does one call removing funds when the bank is closed?

An END AROUND of course

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376663 spastic_colon
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Q: What do Krugman, most all of CNBC, Buffett, Fink and the likes of trolls like MDB have in common with the Grand Canyon filled with pickles?

 

A: They’re all giant dill-holes

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376665 Gene Parmesan
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And by double digits we mean hendeca digits.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376666 TrumpXVI
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I can't believe the Cypriot banks are giving the Russians their money....Oh wait.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:42 | 3376714 Flagit
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i cant believe an airline has the balls to charge $2800 to fly there from O'hare.

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:35 | 3376671 Darth Raider
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ooops

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:36 | 3376672 Sudden Debt
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As putin would say: FUCK THIS!! I'M OUT A HERE!!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:36 | 3376673 glenlloyd
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It will be much much worse...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:39 | 3376675 Cognitive Dissonance
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The 'have not's', both in Cyprus and around the world (and this includes many Cyprus bank depositors with fund deposit totals above the so called "insured limit") will finally begin to understand deep down in their gut just how 'have not' they are once it is fully understood how 'leaky' the supposedly closed Cyprus banks were for the 'haves'.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376761 TrumpXVI
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Okay, soooo, what's a bank run on a closed bank called?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:06 | 3376941 Cognitive Dissonance
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Bank 'trots'..........as in 'leaky' diarrhea.

<Something stinks in the wood pile Cyprus.>

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:37 | 3376679 Jason T
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open the banks so we can watch them meltdown.  

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:40 | 3376711 ghengis86
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They're melting down right in front of your eyes, in real time, right now

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:42 | 3376725 krispkritter
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Can't afford the popcorn...bring on the styrofoam peanuts!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:26 | 3377773 phalfa5
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drizzle a little (greek?) olive oil on them styronuts, helps them come out easier.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:37 | 3376680 fonzannoon
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somewhere out there the London whale is having a good laugh at this. Sounds familiar.

Crude is rapidly approaching $100 and all the economic data is a miss, yet we are going to rip through all time highs. fascinating.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:40 | 3376702 ekm
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Brent is $108

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:41 | 3376717 Temporalist
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It's the WTI to watch.  Creeping...creeping...creeping

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:43 | 3376729 ekm
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World buys at brent.

US and Canada base it on WTI, only because oil is flowing from Alberta, hence the Saudis could not control the flow and in 2009 switched to Brent, from WTI.

 

That's where most of manipulation occurs, Brent, where Saudis do their thing.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:50 | 3376788 Temporalist
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WTI has been suppressed below brent and the $100 mark so when it breaches the so called "psychological barrier" it's a problem imo.  Plus WTI brent spread seems to be recoupling slowly which is why I think it's something to watch.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:53 | 3376818 ekm
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WTI is in contango due to Cushing and other storage places. Everything is full as far as I know.

 

Brent is in backwardation since there's no major storage venue in Europe.

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:57 | 3376857 Temporalist
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All valid.  I think we are agreeing on differning points about the signal.  If gas goes over $4-5 in US people may actually think something is wrong.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:43 | 3376735 camaro68ss
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Brent over $108, bullish if you ask me. Means theres a demand right???? Right?..... anyone.....

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:48 | 3376771 ekm
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Crude oil is not like anything else. crude oil is like breathing air.

There is always demand for crude oil same as there is always demand for air to breathe.

 

Hence, different logic. Saudis are keeping crude oil price extremely high on purpose. Many reasons.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:44 | 3376744 fonzannoon
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Yes it is ekm. I know I quoted the less used one. But let's go with Brent. It is $108. It has been there for a long time. This Cyprus situation may be a huge deal to Cyprus but that may not spread anywhere else.

I know you are of the opinion that crude has to fall. But the stock market no longer gives a crap if 99% of the people are too broke to participate in it. Maybe oil does not care if people can no longer can afford it either? Maybe this is the new normal.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:56 | 3376802 ekm
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Nothing can normally fall at this point.

It can only collapse, when the support will be taken away, due energy starvation.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:45 | 3376720 ekm
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Cyprus is a CARBON COPY of MFG, but at a country scale.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:46 | 3376759 fonzannoon
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If it is a carbon copy of MFG then you won't see oil blink. MFG was nowhere near a Lehman. I am scared to think they accomplished what they needed to with Cyprus.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:50 | 3376783 ekm
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Incorrect.

Global bailout via FED swaps occured right after MFG. MFG crapped everything. Eurobanks ran out of dollars, LITERALLY.

 

Global bailout via swaps was a panic move. I think they would let it go, but decided at the last moment to cover then oil took off.

One reason: IRAN.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:55 | 3376844 fonzannoon
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The question on the table is, if those banks in Cyprus stay shuttered, or go bankrupt...will it have any impact on the equity markets or crude/brent markets.

I don't remember the dates that MFG went down. I do know that whatever impact it had on the markets were not long lasting or substantial.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:59 | 3376867 ekm
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Octobe 2011, World swaps occured in Nov 2011 because europe literally stopped banking. They had zero dollars.

 

I remember very well WSJ live broadcast online (not on TV).

The reporter was saying that in a scale between 1 to 10 where 1 is very good and 10 is collapse, she rated the situation as 9.

 

Hence nobody really knows yet the repurcussions of Cyprus banks shutting down, only the insiders do. We'll find out...........soon

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:01 | 3376897 fonzannoon
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is my impatience becoming obvious?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:02 | 3376911 ekm
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If you're not short (you shouldn't be), just enjoy the show.

It's quite entertaining.

 

Russians, mafia, Draghi, Benny, Iran, Syria, Diesel-boom, Zerohedge.

 

I'm telling you, stop watching TV. Real entertainment is here.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:07 | 3376948 Temporalist
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You left out Japan, North Korea and (according to some here) annunaki or something.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:30 | 3377793 phalfa5
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I'm not saying it was aliens ....    but it was aliens

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 00:55 | 3384337 MeelionDollerBogus
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MY LINE!

MY LINE!!

LOL :D well I'll see your Aliens and Raise you 1 MafiaWar!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:07 | 3376946 ekm
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I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that IRAN has been the key to continuing QE, believe it or not.


They can't decide when to attack. Nobody can attack if there is a global financial collapse. The public would be furious.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376765 Unprepared
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So who is the tentacle this time?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:54 | 3376791 ekm
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We are about to find out.

ZH will find out.

If I am to speculate: DEUTSCHEBANK

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:35 | 3377817 phalfa5
Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:37 | 3376682 Meat Hammer
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Moar haircuts!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:41 | 3376715 Mark Urbo
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I think they are already down to the "short hairs"...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:46 | 3376756 MsCreant
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Follicles.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:56 | 3376685 pashley1411
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Having poked a hole in the bank-deposit thingy, I mean, sooooo 20th century, we'll see how the ECB reacts to catching only the wealth of the average Joe Cypriot.   Probably declare victory and say the crisis is over. 

For a couple weeks.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376687 Joe Davola
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Well, those "Russian hackers", who we all have to fear stealing our identities, helped out their fellow countrymen.  Takes a lot more to trigger my shocked face these days.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376689 firstdivision
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"We will need an additional €10B" in 5....4...3....2....

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376691 death_to_fed_tyranny
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Let it burn. The whole fucking evil fiat system. Get angry people. Hang these banksters and their shills in the world goverments! MOLON LABE!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376692 Ban KKiller
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Yes...they did not heed the words of South Park.

Yes, the Russians did and took their money out first...but to where? Oh, right, the non corrupt Russian Banks. 

Does art imitate life or life imitate art? 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3376694 Temporalist
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But, but...gay marriage and stuff...

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:44 | 3376745 Meat Hammer
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Well played, Temporalist.  I almost spat out my coffee.  

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:52 | 3376809 Mark Urbo
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Me too, very timely...

Still laughing

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:52 | 3376816 Super Broccoli
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gay marriage ? well it's obvious mate : you got to get used to stick something in your azz ! watch out, banker behind you !

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:39 | 3376697 Herdee
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Canada just put a special 1% surcharge similar to a levy on the six biggest Canadian Banks.Money will go into a special fund for safety.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:39 | 3376698 The Invisible Foot
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Long Bail-Outs.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:43 | 3376712 virgilcaine
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These were Russian owned banks it's fair to say? When you have access to the Banks liquidity you own it. But the Banks had no money so where did the Russians get the cash from?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:42 | 3376722 Belrev
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How much of that is also due to people withdrawing cash all week from ATMs?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:43 | 3376727 beastie
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I think this qualifies as a bank run. I knew they were fucking idiots but this is unbelieably stupid. Any official statements on this?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:43 | 3376728 Dull Which
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Europe is fixed

 

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:24 | 3377112 Anglo Hondo
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Europe now, officially, has no balls.  Or much of anything else, including fiat.

Hey Bernank, can we borrow your printer?  For a fee of course.

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:43 | 3376734 bankonzhongguo
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The amazing thing is HOW the Russians got their money.

It all boils down to the SWIFT terminal inside the banks in Cyprus and the MT101 instructions.

But it still flows through the BIS SWIFT, so if Russians really did get their fund out they did it under the supervision and permission of the BIS -and hence the ECB/IMF hirer ups.

I think the extra week of chaos was on purpose - to give time for the banksters to move their money elsewhere while the little guy stands in line.

 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:45 | 3376754 Belrev
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They did it via MT543

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:44 | 3376741 toys for tits
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Usually when you get to the bottom of a hole you stop digging.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:58 | 3376875 Unprepared
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Yeah, easy for you to say. If you were the digger, how would you know you hit bottom exept by digging some more?

You dig me?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:44 | 3376746 Zer0head
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of course they let the Oligarchs get their loot - Cypriot politicians and their Eurocrat masters are many things but they are not stupid

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:48 | 3376747 falak pema
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lol, the russian mafia knows how to play houdini in 13th hour after the dictat !

Who said Ras-Putin was dead?

But the whole shooting match is 30 billion...Anyways, the Cypriots are going to scream to IMF/ECB for help...they don't want to sleep with the fish! 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376764 kito
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everybody CALM DOWN!!! the DOW is GREEN!!! i repeat, the DOW is GREEN!!!.........move along now..................

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:47 | 3376772 Iocosus
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I need a Bloomberg terminal

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:49 | 3376779 Unprepared
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Don't worry, he'll be terminated sooner or later.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:48 | 3376774 MyBrothersKeeper
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The IMF will just pick up the hotline to Uncle Ben

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:48 | 3376776 Unprepared
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Cyprus: Barber's Fat Finger Cut

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:50 | 3376782 ziggy59
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I wonder when it will be discovered that Uncle Ben was not only behind this, but us poor US citizens, soon to be poorer, are footing the bill?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:52 | 3376806 MrMorden
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The EU is gut shot and doing a lot of bleeding and thrashing about.  

Buy PMs to keep the arterial spray off of yourself.

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Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:54 | 3376832 toys for tits
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The Cyprus banking model will soon be emulated everywhere and banks will never open.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:56 | 3376854 d edwards
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How long before the Russians circle the island with warships and just SEIZE the natural gas reserves?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:57 | 3376861 yirgacheff
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Diesel Boom, Schäuble and Draghi got fist fucked till the glottis by the Russians! Ooohh those Russians 

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:24 | 3377751 Ropingdown
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Diesel Boom is now my hero.  I'm sorry to hear of his being discomfitted.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 10:58 | 3376871 Rathmullan
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Based on the "feeler" amount it sounds like the russians were able to "leak out" 7.5 to 15 billion euros. Nice job! Single digit billion bailouts happen on a weekly basis in the eu so consider the matter under rug swept. All is well. Ramp on to Dow 15000.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 13:22 | 3377747 Ropingdown
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Big deal.  They've got nothing on Madoff.  Small potatoes.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:00 | 3376894 NEOSERF
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Oligarchs threatening my family's health and I work for one of these banks...they will open the vault (computers) and find nothing...

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