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Russia Launches Surprise Large-Scale, 36 Warship Military Exercise In The Black Sea

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Many were wondering what Russia's response to Germany's deposit confiscation drill in Cyprus would be. The confusion was moderated somewhat after it was uncovered that the very Russians who were supposed to be punished, have been able to withdraw some or most of their Cyprus-based cash either before the Cyprus D(eposit Confiscation)-Day or during the capital controlled blackout using various disclosed loopholes. Yet that doesn't mean that Putin would avoid this opportunity to give the "developed world" and his closest neighbors a quick lesson in realpolitik. After all, who better than a former KGB agent understands that one should never let a crisis go to waste. Sure enough, today at 4 am, in a very surprising move, Puitin ordered the launch of large-scale Russian military exercises in the Black Sea region in a move which according to Reuters "may create tensions with Russia's post-Soviet neighbors Ukraine and Georgia." Of course, it may create tensions with our island nations reachable by the Russian naval fleet, such as Cyprus, which would naturally mean tensions with the same European (read German) forces who structured the entire Cypriot bail in.

From Reuters:

Putin issued the order to start the previously unannounced maneuvers at 4 a.m. Moscow time (12.00 a.m. EDT) as he flew back from an international summit in South Africa, his spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters by telephone.

 

"These are large-scale unannounced test exercises," Peskov said, adding that 36 warships and an unspecified number of warplanes would take part. "The main goal is to check the readiness and cohesion of the various units."

 

He did not say how long the exercises would last.

 

Putin has stressed the importance of a strong and agile military since he returned to the presidency last May after four years as prime minister. In 13 years in power, he has often cited external threats when talking of the need for unity in Russia.

 

Russia's Black Sea fleet, whose main base is in the Ukrainian port of Sevastopol, was instrumental in a war with Georgia in 2008 over the Russian-backed breakaway Georgian regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

 

Disputes with Kiev over Moscow's continued lease of the Black Sea navy base have been a thorn in relations with its former Soviet neighbor.

 

Peskov said that Russia is under no obligation to warn neighbors ahead of time of plans to hold the air and sea military exercises as long as fewer than 7,000 servicemen participated in the maneuvers.

And while the proposed explanation may be valid, something tells us that in this specific case it was not the Ukraine or Georgia that were being contemplated, but the island nations in the Mediterranean, or rather nation, especially the one located in close proximity to Syria.

Keep a close eye on if and when news hits that some 36 Russian warships quietly passed through the Bosphorus in direction Nicosia. Perhaps if Cyprus was so quick to hand over its Russian economic interest, all that would be needed to make it flip on its dedication to the Eurozone would be a brief but insistent naval semi-blockade. After all, few things are quite as persuasive as 36 warships sitting idly by doing not much of anything.

 


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Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Another storm gathering in Europe with Germany at its center.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Who knew, that the Ruskies had 36 ships, that could avoid running aground or into each other with their WWII, analog navigation..., or maybe someone has a google.map.

<7,000 total servicemen..., as opposed to 5,000 on one US Carrier - more if things are...agitated.

Try not to compare museum pieces with modern warfare, but it would impress the locals.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Haven't been to Russia in a while have you?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Wake me when the Russians reclassify the Cypriots as terrorists.  Nothing happens anymore until the lawyers say so.  This is how you rattle a sabre in 2013...

The United States might be poised to ramp up its presence in Mali in the coming weeks following news Thursday that it has classified one of the militant groups fighting there as terrorists.

 

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/21/terrorist-classification-could-prompt-mali-drone-war

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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I like how the government can suddenly "classify" something and then it either becomes good or bad, kind of like how ketchup miraculously became a vegetable.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment blu
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1984

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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The constant seasonal adjustments and BLS revisions are the equivalent of saying the chocolate ration has been increased from 25 to 20 grams.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Chocolate ration is increase by decrease in rate of decrease. Cypriot bank customer is now to enjoy 40% increase of deposit because is not to lose 100% of deposit! Joyous rapture!

 

Russian is response to European Central Banking financial exercise with military exercise. This is must to end well.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Stand behind 'merica!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Name, shame, and blame.

That's how the USgov works.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 23:03 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it becomes "good" or "bad" or "dead" - based on one man's decision.

Just what the founders wanted

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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All your gold are belong to us (so we can ship it to Germany).

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Eeny, meeny, miny, terrorist. You're a terrorist, they're a terrorist, now we're all terrorists.

They should just label everyone terrorists and then release the short list of who they consider as not a terrorist. Would be easier and use less paper.              hujel

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Just taking a cue from the Russian (Soviet) playbook. Because it's all handled very legally, you just designate someone a "wrecker", "Trotskyite", "Bundist", "reactionary", "White Guard", or if nothing else will do, "enemy of the people" or "socially dangerous element", and voila, Article 58 that poor son of a bitch. Where do you think the Nazis learned their tricks? The labels may have changed but the game has not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58_(RSFSR_Penal_Code)

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 01:15 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Here they just Article-NDAA him and then drone him. Never mind the 15 neighbors killed in the strike.

hujel

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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No, I haven't, but I don't think the Sixth Fleet would have anything other than target practice.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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'cept when China plays its hand.

Hussein v. Putin and you're putting money on Hussein?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The US would be the targets.  US doctrine (and MIC pricetags) doesn't allow for the sacrifice of US capital ships, and the Russians are the one military in the world with comparable ATGM/SAM/TBM capabiities.  So it would be an ugly slug fest if it ever got started.  

The Russians also also have the capability to render useless a lot of the expensive guidance and control systems that the US loves to employ when doing battle with the evil bearded goat fuckers.  

The big unkown is what happens when contemporary Russian doctrine meets the road - do they ressurect Zhukov and a willingnes to sacrifice for victory that US hasn't seen, much less had to deliver, in 150 years, or have they turned into a bunch wanker-Montgomery's since they adopted that pre-emptive nuclear BS (which I rightly blame "pre-emptive war" Bushy for)... 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:26 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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The Russians also also have the capability to render useless a lot of the expensive guidance and control systems that the US loves to employ when doing battle with the evil bearded goat fuckers

The biatch of it being, we hardly make any of the stuff here. We'd have to ask our "pardners" if they could spare some electronics we so generously gave to them .... ugh, besides the ones they stole.

We are so fucked even bare footed illegals are thumbing their noses at us!

Having the shit is one thing, using it wisely is another. I am not dissing the military !!!!! Just the fuckers in Wash DC who like to fuck off.

Look at the french in Mali .... (and I am not a franco lover ... but fair is fair) .... in ~ a month they got a 'lead goat' while using a 'few good men'. We have to fuck around and make sure every company with a military contract makes a few bucks for a year or two to accomplish the same. Those thieves.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:13 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Since we were able to beat a bunch of peasants in Vietnam as well as lightly armed goatherders in Afghanastan, it follows that we can defeat Russia, China, North Korea and Iran - simultaneously if we have to.  You've heard of the paper tiger? How about a vapor tiger?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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The ruskies give a fuck less about human rights, or military discipline, or any other laws. They fight to win. Look what they did in Georgia .... sent a bunch of thugs. Afew short weeks of shit we'd send our boys to court for, they were done. FUCK THE WORLD !!!

WTF are we still doing in Iraq? Nation REbuilding ...? What a chock of caca. 6 months later should have made a U-turn and left the keys at the border. Got Oil, sell the shit and do what the fuck ever. C'ya ....Love Uncle Sam. THE END !!!

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Solarman
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LOL, like in Afghanistan, and they are still dicking around in Chenya and Dagestan.  I also beleive Georgia is still independent.

 

Do you think Obama wouldn't pull the trigger if he thought sacrificing our Navy over his indecision, would cost him the mid terms, think again.  This dude is ruthless in the pursuit of personal power.

 

As a retired Marine Officer, I am pretty comfortable matching up against the Russian Navy.  Israel shut down Russia's most sophisticated SAM system remotely, spoofed it.  Who do you think they collaborate with?

 

Remember the Aurora project is yet to be revealed.  That is a stand off hypersonic, stealth missle carrier.

 

I kinda want a bit of an incident so we can show the next set of cards, too much status quo going on.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment angel_of_joy
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That's BS cubed.

Russia controls Georgia, so it has no need to occupy it (ever heard of Abkhazia) ?

Things in Osetia, Chechnya and Dagestan are really quiet (compared to Eltsin times). The FSB is in charge there...

I was in diapers when I first heard of Aurora project (and I'm not so young anymore, unfortunately). This shit is getting old.

Otherwise, all is good (and US carriers are sitting ducks for what passes as modern hardware nowadays) ! Sleep well...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Maxter
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The russians have an Aurora equivalent.  It is called the "Ajax".

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 20:27 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Israel shut down Russia's most sophisticated SAM system remotely, spoofed it.

Russia is the sole supplier of oil to Israel.  If Russia wants to shut down Israel, they can do it in less than 3 days, by simply stopping delivery, because Israel only has a 3 day supply.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Apolitical Blues
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Russia is far from being the 'sole supplier' of oil to Israel. Caspian Sea oil is a major source but, south American nations and Egypt provide quite a lot. Also, Israel is believed to have the worlds second largest shale oil deposit. I say, let them have the shale oil, it's crap!

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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their water deposits are a whole other story

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 08:05 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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LOL, like in Afghanistan

how do you measure the "suckcess" there? By acreage of poppies our boys protect? By how many more tens of billions Obumer tanks this country by using that excuse? Those guys have survived long before us, and will, long after us. They are among a few left in the world who can live just dandy "off the grid".

In Afghanistan, we should have maintained the initial approach: our CIA operatives working with the Northern Alliance, and aidding those who wanted to rid A of the Talibs!!!!!!!! Now that was a win-win deal.

Do you think things will remain as we leave them? HA HA HA .... yeah right. On the other hand, they will be more democratic than us (!!!!) based on the path we are on!!!!!

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"they are still dicking around in Chenya and Dagestan."

They are not pushing it, but bet your ass, one or two more explossions cause by them, and Vlad will bitch slap them. He gives a shit less of what "public opinion" is.

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"Do you think Obama wouldn't pull the trigger if he thought sacrificing our Navy over his indecision, would cost him the mid terms, think again.  This dude is ruthless in the pursuit of personal power."

Obama could not give a rat's ass about his own grandmother who raised the bastard, or his half brother. It is a matter of time before he WILL fuck us all. Only idiots have failed to see his intentions. He is about as legitimate as a $3 bill !!!

He failed to keep virtuany every promisse he has made .... destroying this country notwithstanding!!!. He loves this nation about as much as "the other Hussein" ... the one we found in a foxhole!!! Both equally brave too!!!

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"As a retired Marine Officer"

A sincere: thanks for serving !!!! <tips hat>

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"I am pretty comfortable matching up against the Russian Navy."

I tried to make it clear: it is not a matter of our forces abilities but the leadership's willingness to just give you the goal/objective then just piss off and let you do your thing. No holds barred !!!!

After WW2, the civilian side fucked up all the military side did, and handicapped our own. While we were getting sucker punched, the liberals here insisted in "fair fight" ....

We spent trillions on a military, but turning it into a killer cat which is being declawed.

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"Israel shut down Russia's most sophisticated SAM system remotely, spoofed it.  Who do you think they collaborate with"

I suspect it is the other way. Israel took the Patriots and improved them. We managed to cause a great brain-drain due to our idiotic policies of the past 30 years. Many immigrants have left for greener pastures since Clinton begun the destruction of this nation. Under Obummer, we lost more wealthy and brainy that at any other time. Why do you think??? Me thinks it is the deliberate destruction of this nation. The disarming is the final phase !!!!! You know it as well as I do !!!!

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"I kinda want a bit of an incident so we can show the next set of cards, too much status quo going on"

I fear, that, will be right here, against us, Americans, not a foreign power. Why are all the patriots being pushed out, being replaced by those willing to kiss the ring, and NOT uphold the Constitution, the destroying of which is the final goal, and has been for a while. I fear, that great wise US Constitution as we know it, is in its last days. Perhaps the new one has already been printed!!!!!!

Anyways, nobody will be reading this anyways so why in hell am I writing it ?!?!

I think we agree on more than disagree on.

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Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Bamy spent a long time over there, doing what?

Treasury has been way too quiet lately, as well.  What's up with Lew?

Timmy used to pee his pants twice a week, so we knew he was only doing his own laundry.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:38 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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Planted a tree man!!! It took some hard labor with that shovel. ...... Now the tree is charcoal most likely. Photo-op and a few more millions to the debt load.

I did not look to see how many billions we promissed Jordan - at least they are decent (for now) .... Time to fuck them over too. They've been too loyal.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:10 | Link to Comment simon.dc3
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heheh, LoP, some just don't understand that FSU is the #2 energy producer on the planet. And Energy = Power.

Another good query is: How much did the Assad family lose in this squeezing of Cypriot bank accts?
With FSU doing this impromptu exercise, methinks this is something worth wondering.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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"modern warfare"
Like the 2 Gestapo helicopters that collided during riot control drills over Berlin?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment american eyedol
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yawn

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Belrev
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How is that war in Iraq and Afghanistan against AK wielding ragtags going for ya Jonny?

And don't forget that rusty fence on the Mexican border, pal.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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Hey now!!  That reached the point of excessive cruelty.  With that said, I am wondering what the picture is.  Looks like a fishing village - even the boats.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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The world is Baltimore and Putin is just a guy with a shotty. Yeah, I think Putin can mess with the game plenty.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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Wehrmacht had heavy modern panzer around Stalingrad: how did that work out for them against old Soviet tanks?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment agent default
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The T34 was not an old tank in WWII.  It was in fact the best in the field.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment EINSILVERGUY
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It was the best mass produced vehicle.  the Germans had superior technology but as they were prone to do, they over engineered the Tiger tanks. The T34 outnumbered the Germans around 8 or 10 to 1.   same with the ME262. produced late and used as an offensive fighter bomber. Had it been intrioduced a year earlier and as a bomber interceptor it would have recked havoc with the Allies bombers. 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment agent default
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Ease of mass production is a vital aspect of any weapon system. A point lost in today's Nintendo generation war planners. 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment optimator
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Also the best all-round design.  Nice running gear too.  Simple to repair.  It took a 37 mm wolfram from the rear, or an 88 to stop it. 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Mitzibitzi
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And just as importantly; it was cheap!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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More important, life of average Russian is cheap! Shoot in back if is must.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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The Russian beat the Germans though sheer attrition and would've won eventually even if Britain had faded and the US stayed out.  Most German casualties were cause dby Russians.   And as good as the Tiger and Panther were there wer never enough and they had reliability issues.  T-34's kicked butt - and were FAR superior to anything the US or 'western allies' came up with.  The Sherman was a coffin - you needed a dozen to take out a PzIV.    Luckily the US outproduced the Germans 20 to 1.  

The Russians are pragmatic - their tanks may not be high tech but are easy to build and maintain. Some of their jets had welded steel skins.  But they are far more cost effective than vastly overpriced and complex US weapons.  Their weappons survive a huge amount of abuse - the AK47 vs M16 for example.  They also designed logistics to be idiot proof - no confusing similar caliber shells.  We had US Marines refusing to embark for an early pacific invasion until issued the RIGHT .30 cal ammunition.  

Hi-tech can do a lot but look at the last decade.  Old artillery shells and home brewed explosives in IED's are still causing problems for the US.....  If we ever try to take Iran on full out, we may find out that low tech cruise millses and such are more than enough to cause serious US losses.  

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Prof. Auguste Balls
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Arrogance will get us nowhere.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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Wha'chu talking about? We used to be respected and feared world wide. Not no mo' !!! Today even a mexican woman hops the fence while people are watching .....

It sure got us ... just nowhere good .... got us to be a laughing stalk, but we got there and marching us further on down!!!! We'll show them what a REAL Banana Republic is like!!!!

Soon WE'll be jumping fences into mexico!!!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Carriers have a name among naval captains.TARGETS.

You may not be impressed with the Russian navy , but

you will be devastated with their missiles.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Agstacker
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I haven't watched 'The Hunt for Red October' in awhile...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment One Ton Lady
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Russia appears to be attempting to become the new 21th century Golem. Afterall , the jewish owned military industrial complex , has to have new enemies in order to make money and get the goy nations of the world to kill each other and destroy each other and it has been this way since the days of Napoleon and beyond.  The culling of the white western European peoples and its cultures are continuing unabated and the dumb stupid sheep go along with the program, never once stopping to ask why.  On this Easter, let us remember the Reason for the Season and give thanks for His Perfect Gift.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 20:27 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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At least you like one Jew.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Irelevant
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Whats with all the down arrowing? The comment is pretty much spot on, the Russian army is a joke. Exercises? Black sea? Thats like saying Canada is moving 30 ships around in the great lakes, everyone shit your pants. Those Russians better be looking at that long border with the Chinesse, soon to be very crowded.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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disagree, they ran over the US, NATO equipped and trained Georgian armed forces easily enough.

they have largely the same toys the US does and what is rated by many defense pubs as the best air defense system and surface to surface missile system in the world. despite what the heralds of the myth of American military superiority might bark about, Russia represents is considerable challenge in any theater they might choose to engage in. 

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment A. Magnus
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If the Russian army is a joke then how come they got Cheney to shit his pants and pull NATO troops from Georgia in 2008? Did the Russians make NATO laugh all the way back to Wiesbaden in your omnipotent estimation?

Nice way to spin when your heroes get shown to be punk asses...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Irelevant
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Are you high on meth? Google Russia-Georgia war and see what "advanced" weapons were used. That was not a war, it was a skirmish. Google carrier battle group, and stop wasting our time.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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i dont know what it is with everybody drooling over russians.  i guess they all forget that today's russia is a small fragment of the old soviet union with 15 republics that spread from poland to alaska, from arctic to china, etc.  now, russia is nothing more than a few jew oligarchs in possession of 75% of the russian economy and the rest are ex-kgb politicos and mafia ruling over drunken russian plebs.  and their stupid army is no better now than when their ass got kicked out of afganistan.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment angel_of_joy
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Well, Amerika has 50 states itself.

Just saying...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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You are probably an American that thinks that Russia is a shithole country.

Had you been born in Russia, you would likely consider the US a shithole country.

In both cases you would be correct, but your views do contribute to the US's shitholeyness.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 08:47 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment angel_of_joy
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Your nickname says it all...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 05:18 | Link to Comment I am from Mosco...
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When others underestimate us - it even better. 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Apolitical Blues
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You might want to check out just who developed the first scalar weapon and, who that weapon is pointed at. The U.S. won't fart in hostility toward Russia,knowing full well they would be toasted to a crispy state in a flash if they dared. To all of those here that want to rattle that cage, be very careful for what you wish for.

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Yep, take the k-705 Lira (Alfa) from the 60s, for instance - couldn't be more WWII... apart from being an all-titanium, highly-automated, highly-maneuverable, 41 knots (76km/h), 200knots/370km/h torpedo equipped, killing machine with (still) no remotely-comparable counterpart anywhere else in the world, obviously...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpXBGEwQ5qg

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Groundhog Day
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What...war games?  I should be buying stocks cuz destruction = growth.  My BFF PK told me

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Good for them.   One of these days someone is going to fuck up.   

 

Will WWIII  be on teevee?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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The next major war will be reported on the Internet.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Moving 36 warships doesn't constitute anything beyond moving 36 warships.

There are more drama queens here than an open casting call in Key West for a production of the Tommy Tune Story...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment RichardENixon
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When is that casting call, by the way?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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"more drama queens here than an open casting call in Key West for a production of the Tommy Tune Story"

That was classic!!! Will use that next time I drive down to the Keys. Full credit to Million Dollar Bogus, of course.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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Russia may entice Greece and get a tufer. Get out of the euro and we will allow Cyprus to merge with Greece, get the Turks out of the north of Cyprus and get out of NATO also. Just align with us, we need to breath beyond the black sea.

Is that possible?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Why stop there? Asia minor used to be all Greek.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:27 | Link to Comment MrSteve
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And then it was all Persian under Darius, or was he in charge before the Greeks and Alexander. Well the musselmen have it now, Suleiman the Magnificient, Komehni, et al. There may yet be one Christian newspaper left printing in Istanbul. The Muslims have enforced their PC and driven almost all non-Ms out of the area.

We don't ever suspect that Iran might be rat-effing in the Bosporus, using a false-flag tobacco or cotton hauler retro-fitted with a high-speed torpoedo launch tube... couldn't happen, no way, no can do, impossible.... neither would the Israelis ever falsely mirror an Iranian false-flag ops and plant Tehran movie receipts in the pocket of a sailor who never was... no worries, just 36 ships filling in the void left by Carnival Cruises cancellations, there being so many vacant berths in Med's vacation ports'o call. You know how them them Europeans like a MedSea vacation, well horny Rooskies ain't no slouch either when it comes to fun in the Sun and money on the run.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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Armenia extended from just south of today's Georgia all the way to Egypt, a portion of northern Iran, most of Turkey, to the Mediteranean.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment reload
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North Cyprus does need the freshwater pipeline from mainland Turkey to be completed and working - not much future for them without it.

But anyway, I still think this is all theatre and that Putin and Merkel remain best buddies behind the curtain.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Jorgen
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For the above scenario to play out, NATO would have to disintegrate first. Cyprus is not a NATO member but Greece is. Considering her strategic location, it is very unlikely the U.S. would ever allow Greece to leave the Alliance. It is worth mentioning here that during NATO war on Serbia, majority of Greeks were siding with their Christian Orthodox brethren (Serbs) up North but their government had no other choice but to fully support NATO.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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You have no idea what it takes to move Warships out of port and then support those ships and the crews serving on them. It's an extremely expensive thing to do, especially on short notice.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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But it is very cost effective if you want to get the sailors out of port for election day.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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It's not expensive if you paying for with your own oil.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:44 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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We sure do .... Just look at our taxes .... :-)

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment rodocostarica
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Hey MDB good to see they are having a free day to use internet over there at Oregon State Hospital J building. Say hi to Nurse ratched for me.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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When the thorozine haze wears off, then I post as Dr. Paul Krugman...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:04 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Silver bitches!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Angela of Troika...the face that launched 36 ships.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Maybe I can record it..., to watch later.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment blu
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It will be on Tee-Vee pay-per-view, pal. The media simply cannot wait for the day to come. Every soccor mom in the country will be watching and tweeting her thoughts about it while she's driving to WalMart in her Escalaide

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Groundhog Day
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Pay per view.  We'll charge all the lazy POS $100 a day to watch it on the idiot box.  If they can't pay the $100 we'll funnel the money through JPM to provide them the assistance to pay it for a small fee

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Absolutely, but you definitely going to want a newest gen 4k resolution set, in order to take full advantage of the enhanced 3D experience it'll be able to deliver to your home, and live it as if you were there - you know your family will thank you later!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment NoWayJose
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Once the depression hits Cyprus, the Russians will come in and lease naval bases on Cyprus so they can run their naval exercises in Nato waters. Way to go Merkel!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Lost Wages
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Oh, Putin!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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just remember that the russians always do a crazy Ivan at the bottom half of the hour. 

I would have liked to have seen Montana

How did you know our reactor incident was false?

Ok i'm done.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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War: the solution to all government problems.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Does this thread nullify the previous thread that said the Ruskies emptied their Cyprus bank accounts while nobody else could do the same..??

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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You have no idea how government works.

They convince you an injustice has been committed (while hiding the fact they escaped that injustice).

Then they tell you they must "punish" the injustice that was committed by going to war.

They profit from the war even if they lose it.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment caustixoid
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A pickpocket pinches your wallet. Just because you didn't have anything valuable in it doesn't mean you'e not pissed he did it.  No harm DOESN'T equal no foul

 

 

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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Do you mean like the multitude of anti-gun bills now pending, while using 20 innocent lives and one nut-job who fell through the cracks??

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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You must not watch movies.  Don't you know about the "pirate code"?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Does this thread nullify the previous thread that said the Ruskies emptied their Cyprus bank accounts while nobody else could do the same..??

MDM, you miss the point, Putin will now get for .10 on the 1.00 what he would have had any deal been struck.

Once the severe recession / depression hits Cypress, they will make any deal to survive.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment gould's fisker
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Putin is still unsure how much his associates were able to sneak out around Merkel, so he's doing the ambivalent military exercise sword rattling scheme--put to "sea" the Russian "fleet" in a land-locked big lake.  Mixed messaging.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment NoWayJose
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Maybe the 36 warships are there to help evacuate stranded Russians on Cyprus and to provide humanitarian aid to the suffering Cypriots? No wait - that's how America does its own stealth invasions...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I love the commercial of the humanitarian effort Marine. As if the culture of the Marines was founded on delivering groceries. Not sure why you need a carbine slung across your chest to give candy bars and Coke to 'fugees that are starving due to American exported inflation/empire building.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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"You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill."

—Colonel Walter E. Kurtz

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 10:48 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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3 beautiful comments

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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History repeats...and repeats...etc....

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment SpiceMustFlow
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Calling shenanigans. They already pulled their money out. Why blockade?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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Do you forgive an attempted robbery?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Just trying to remind the idiots running NATO that a superpower other than the US exists in the region.

Don't rattle Putin's cage, as large as it is, too much, they still have nuclear missiles pointed at the US.

In order to expand the war into IRAN the US would have to reinstate the draft. Women in combat won't even begin to dent the casualties expected.

Neither the Russians or the Chinese want to see the US take the war into Persia. Just like anyone else, they don't want to see that much instability on their frontiers.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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According to new U.S. rules of engagement, as put forth by Hilliary, in any ground war in Iran, women will be issued camo burkas.  Wouldn't want to piss off your enemies, you know.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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BRICS

Manpower - China & India

Materials - Brazil, India, South Africa

Muscle - Russia

USA

Manpower - lots of Art degrees

Materials - NIMBY!

Muscle - chicks with dicks

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 09:25 | Link to Comment DoneThis2Long
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We had no equal, but Clinton, Billy that is, begun the neutering. Bush allowed things to get out of hand and gave Rumsfeld too much power, while dissing Collin Powell instead of using him to balance Rummy, but the final blow was delivered by Obummer, who used it as a pretext so to further add to the debt load and build up the anti American sentiment.

Also, of huge importance is the loss of many many many formerly patriotic Americans who no longer feel so patriotic. This SOB has divided the nation instead of uniting it. America's biggest enemy resides in the White House. Respect is earned not demanded. We lost all respect while we had virtually the global respect during Reagan years.

During the last 30 years we fucked ourselves. We allowed greedy corporations and crooks in politics, to undo/destroy the work of hundreds of millions over the past 250 years in building what was, perhaps, the best nation ever.

Deep sigh ....

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Lots of "nuclear capable B2 bombing run practice" going on over the Korean Peninsula today, as well.  And with the things Kim Jung un's been saying lately, seems like the CIA has control of his twitter account, as well.  Chemical weapons being lobbed around in Syria.

Coincidence, I'm sure...calls of "tin hatters" all around then.  I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Ben f'n Bernanke has check'd into the f'n roach motel...and can't find his way out now.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Yes "chemical weapons" from the guys that brought WMD to a UN Meeting near you. Special Productions presents Colin Powell to reprise his old script and CIA Theatrical Agency hires Extras to stimulate interest in invasion

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 10:52 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it is funny. In court, that party would easily be "impeached" if they tried to make the same argument again

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Why does Bernanke check into a Roach Motel?

 

He can disappear among the other Roaches living there.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Debeachesand Je...
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A lot of unpleasant noise (military etc) bouncing around the news outlets today.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment valley chick
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BULLISH!!!!!!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Mordenkainen
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This should be good for another 100 points on the Dow.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment falak pema
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the big question facing DOW precious assets is the same facing Don Draper (John Hamm) :

Do you opt for Jockey or Fruit of the Loom ?

Jockey, Fruit Of The Loom Want Jon Hamm - Business Insider

Now you know how precious DOW assets are! 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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It will be interesting to see who Russia goes with on a hold backed currency agreement; tge EU or China, or alone, or a 4th entity. it appears Russia is likewarm to EU but stranger things have happened. Saudi and pals are part of BIS backed EU solution (which is gold backed). Would Saudis bauk and change sides now. Unsure. US dollar is toast due to lack of gold except coin bars, unless they can launder stolen Asian gold back into system, which they are trying to do since 1980s.
So it's open season. As Van Damme's nemisis asks, "Hpw does it feel to be hunted?".

Van Damme: "You tell me!"

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment NihilistZero
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Actually Van Damme says "How does it feel to be hunted?"

To which Lance Henricksen says "You tell me!"

Which prompts Van Damme to retort "YOU should know better!"

Hard Target 1993, John Woo's American Directorial Debut

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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The Russians know Akrotiri is a British Sovereign Base as is Dhekelia and would do nothing to upset that relationship. The Russian Navy is warning Turkey over Syria

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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There's more to this story, besides Turkey.

Putin knows that Erdogan is but a yankee puppet, so these exercises are an implicit warning and a Russian reaction to the military talks between UK and US commanders, first such since the 1940's.

It surely smells like something's afoot... there's a good chance a big black bird starts flapping it's wings as global economy goes down the crapper. 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Z'
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The pics in that link say it all... smug old clucks meet for plans to send eager young ducks to war on their Xbox-WWIIIs.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment kralizec
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So that's what that trail of rust and oil was!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment schatzi
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Yes people, this is it. Our wimmin are gonna get raped. Catching the last flight out. The Russian horde is coming to get some shitty paper from some shitty island. I hope the US prez has the finger on the button. We don't wanna go out without a bang!

 

Get a fucken grip. Fucking drama queens. Worse than a gay knitting circle.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment HastaLaVista
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23.07.2008 - Russian maneuvers "Caucasus-2008"

08.08.2008 - Georgia invaded South Ossetia

and then is the beginning of  first round global economical crisis.

 

28.03.2013 - Russian maneuvers in Black Sea

??.04.2013 - Ukraine invades ......

Waiting for the second round of global crisis... 

 

Let's forget about Cyprus - it's already just a small fact in the history of coming Greatest Crisis.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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What level of welding goggles are best for watching nukes explode on the horizon without burning my retina?

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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That is the one time it is wise to bury your head in the sand.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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HastaLaVista,

Ukraine leases the naval bases in Black sea to Russia. (25 year lease?).  Ukraine is quit aware where Russina ship are.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Five8Charlie
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I just thank God we have a competent, professional, smoothly functioning government here in the U.S. that can easily handle a real global crisis.

 

We are so fucked.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment ekm
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Be fearful when russians go quiet after money is taken away from them, be very fearful.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Yes, and the russkies (The crazy Ivan's) do not exactly play by queens-bury rules when their back is against the wall.  Recall their approach to dislodging some terrist(?) in some building in Chechnya? Here's a clue you will not be seeing fuckin drones, 'smart' JDMs or an assault on the buidling.

A: Old school.... Artillery, cluster bombs, you name it. Plus Putin was in charge the last time.... 2nd Chechen war.

Disclaimer: This was is no way some lame justification for the Axis of 'freedoms' approach.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Blano
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They got their money last week.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 17:37 | Link to Comment ekm
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Only few people know actually what they got and what they didn't.

It's not over yet.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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In the old days when the US took one, the Soviets took one.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Paracelsus
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Natural gas pipeline goes thru Ukraine to Western Europe.  Undercover spetznatz troops to blow pipeline in 1....2....3

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Did not know they had 36 ships that could all float at the same time ...

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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No one denies that the USN has some real clever 'kit'.  However, in the med it would be a close call for the Aegis system contain and knock out 30 SS-N-22 Sunburns coming into the defensive screen (with another 50+ decoys to contend with?) and whatever Russkie subs are still around doing Crazy Ivan's. Plus a couple of diesels all silent, laying low and waiting for any strays limping home after the 'event' or a lucky shot at the big prize! A CVN is "To Big To Loose" no way can the US deal with that kind of loss. A large cruiser / destroyer would be an outrage but a carrier would be unthinkable. 

Both sides have been practicing this for decades and should SHTF they would fight with the cards they have.  Outcome cannot be predicted.  This has always been the case for all military conflicts.

I cannot see this has both sides know the consequences of this going hot. However, we do live in such a fucked up world anything is possible.

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Ivan may be crazy, but he's definitely not insane.

No point in entering into a conflict here. Over what?

Just some good old cold war feel good moves.

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Totally agree with you Dollar. But crazy things have happened before when someones back is against the wall or a cunning geopolitical plan does not work out has the planners predicted.

I am not religious by let's pray that sanity will prevail.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Absolutely.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Crassus
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No one quietly passes through the Bosphorus. Not even "lumber boats" headed, once upon a time, for Cuba.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment SDRII
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Russia also fired off some rounds in the South China Sea as the US flexed the B-2s..

Russian ships conduct firing practice in South China Sea

 

Saudi Media reporting the Syrian mercs took out an iranian plane...

Syria rebels destroy plane carrying Iranian arms: activists

This after the Iranian general was taken out on a road in Lebanon last month...

 


 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Randy Goodnight
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who cares.  Very Old School.  Don't pull a weapon unless you intend to use it.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment tradertim
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perhaps those 36 warships should be heading to 'Merkel Island' for a show of force.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment optimator
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As long as they don't take the shortcut thru Tsushima Strait.

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Black Markets
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I laughed out loud when I read "German forces".

As if!

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Whattttt???

BMW, MB, AUDI , PORSCHE !!!

are you delusional with panzers like that! 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Actually, the German land units are still the best NATO has.  Zee germans really annoy the British, Canadian, and US units in the Nato land war exercises they run in in Canuck land.

Interestingly a retired Army mate of mine said the US Army is based on complete detailed planning (they are masters of logistics!) but the German General staff leave field commanders with considerable discretion.  They gave the overal objective yet allow them more freedom to make decisions and alter plans in the heat of battle.  This often wins the day has we all know that once the first shot is fired your planning goes out the window and out of your arse.  Having commmanders who can think on their feet and make decisions on the spot without having to go all the way back up the chain of command is an advantage and enables faster decision making. Interestingly the British and NZ Army have a similar philosophy to the Germans in their Military academies.  The French and I hear Australians are like the US.  This doctrine is founded in the French officer school. Arrrr! the US following the French school (I expect many down votes for stating this)

However, my friend did say that everyone was always envious of the US Armys logistical heavy lift support. Having 100 plus Blackhawks and Chinooks available to move an entire division plus artillery and supplies across the battlefield was humbling and scary.  Still you deal with the cards you have and look for weakness. When it comes to panzers its in the German blood.  They always win the 'Let's take Poland First' Contest do they not! So having all the cool toys and endless fiat reserve currency to back you up can, possibly, result in becoming complacent.

Let's play RISK Bitches!

 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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OK but armor and logistics really aren't my cup o' MOS  

Hope the Germans aren't betting the farm on their panzer prowess or collection of Leopard 2s.  For the longest time in peace-dividend kumbayah land everyone thought the Russian ATMs were shitty and decades behind their TBMs.  Then in 2006 a handful of Mekava's got mysteriously turned into Jew-confetti in mere minutes (and if they used Iranaian knock-offs it would only be that much worse).  

If both sides decided to field their mothballed armored divisions the Russians could still make up for the armor and technology deficit on volume (10:1 or so if they ignore their other neighbors).  So with almost 70 years to rethink the last German blunder against the Russians, have they found a way beat Zhukov yet? 

Thu, 03/28/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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+100 Urban...The peace time General's are always planning to fight and the last battle.

Add to that lesson's on assymetric approaches from Iraq, the 'stan and it would NOT go according to plan.  My point was that, other things being equal, I would back a German Field commander to use the current operational plan as 'Combat Sanitary Provisions', think for himself and make the best out of a bad situation.

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