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ECB Backs Dijsselbloem's Liquidation Policy "Template"

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It appears the European Central Bank is having trouble keeping its lies straight. When Jeroen Dijsselbloem ("Diesel-BOOM", "D-Boom", or just "Diesel") made his now infamous "template" comment last week, reality was shattered for many trend-following, momentum-monkey, hope-and-dreamers that actual real monetary pain could exist for a bank that was entirely incompetent (and insolvent). Instantly the rest of Europe stepped up to deny-deny-deny (as did D-Boom himself) explaining this was a 'unique' situation with French ECB Director Benoît Coeuré explicitly stating that Cyprus is not a model for future bank rescues.

However, as Reuters reports, it appears fellow-Dutchman and ECB Governing Council member Klaas Knot said last night that there was "little wrong" with J-Boom's comment and that "the content of his remarks comes down to an approach which has been on the table for a longer time in Europe. This approach will be part of the European liquidation policy." Further confirming D-Boom's perspective, Knot added that, "there has to be transparency about losses in the banking sector... and banks have to wind down their loss-making operations."

It seems that in 2012 the ECB split was between the Germans and Draghi on unlimited inflation threats; in 2013 it will be between those who want bail-ins and bail-outs.

Via Reuters,

European Central Bank Governing Council member Klaas Knot said on Friday there was "little wrong" with Eurogroup chair Jeroen Dijsselbloem's recipe for dealing with future euro zone banking crises, a newspaper reported.

 

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Those comments - which Dijsselbloem later rowed back on -prompted a market selloff and led two other ECB policymakers, including executive board member Benoit Coeure, to say on Tuesday that Cyprus was a unique case.

 

But Knot, who sits on the bank's main decision-making body, said: "There is little wrong with Dijsselbloem's remarks.

 

"The content of his remarks comes down to an approach which has been on the table for a longer time in Europe. This approach will be part of the European liquidation policy."

 

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In a speech on Thursday night in Amsterdam, Knot said euro zone banks needed to clean up their balance sheets by winding down loss-making operations.

"Firstly, there has to be transparency about losses in the banking sector. Secondly, banks have to wind down their loss-making operations," Knot said.

And now, once more, this time with feeling: Diesel-BOOM.

 


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Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Of the 50 ways to leave your lover,

how can they always find the worst possible?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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It's the end of the euro as we know it

And I feel fine ...

(with apologies to music band R.E.M., 'End of the World as We Know It':)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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What's the frequency, D-Boom?

EDIT: Don't watch that muppet video if you're on peyote. Freaky shit.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Speaking of Denmark, what's going on in th silber 'market'?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:00 | Link to Comment RSBriggs
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Nothing.  It's closed today.  Prices seem to be moving up and down at random.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Gief Gold Plox
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Not random. It may say that the market is closed, but that does not mean no trading is taking place. As a matter of fact I believe Tyler explained this last year or maybe it was two years ago. "Market closed" just means that us mortals don't get to see the whole picture for a while. Shit happens in that time nonetheless. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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I refer to yesterday's after hrs cmi trading.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Deiselboom:  Nicosia Capitalflight 

(Based loosely on the Dutch band Diesel hit Sausalito Summernight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMh8P-q9wJgt... )

 

We left for Nicosia in your Rambler...

The Bank of Cyprus running dry...

I've never been much of a gambler...

And would rather see the bastards fry...

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment EINSILVERGUY
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God I feel Old

that had to be 1982 83, I was a sophomore in college when it cost $8 per semester hour.  12 hours could be bought for $350 a semester

K

 

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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they should make a new movieclip like this one but about the euro...

there's euro's on the starboard bow, starboard bow..

analysis:
it's money Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE&sns=em

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment monopoly
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Sudden, what do you see and hear from other Europeans as regards leaving their Euros in a European bank?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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terrible... most realise the shit is dangerous but... they don't do anything!
It's still to far!
And when I tell them cyprus is europe... they don't seem to care or realize it!

today I was talking to a guy who has a few 100k in his account.
well off.
He says he's kind of worried but won't his money, doesn't really believe in gold ... he says he'll buy some but he's been saysing that for 2 years now.
and he's about 60years old.

I tell him he'll mist likely won't get a pension at 65 because by than the system will be imploded...

it's hard for most people to graps the situation I guess.
The econemy has been perfect for the last 20 years! don't forget that.

it's a mirrage that nobody wants to see to end and that's why they don't want to thik about it.

I am now officially almost broke. I moved it all these last 3 years. It's all hidden. 3 houses sold, and the money is also transfered into PM.
I even took a loan to lower my net value and put it in PM's.

I can wait. got a great job and so does the misses so as long as the economy floats we'll do fine. when the shit breaks down, we'll move out of europe and start over with a little treasure chest :)
We are now applying for a second citizenship in the Antilles and I might buy a small appartment there if there's more time to keep all options on the table.

Most people just don't want to think like this.

DID YOU KNOW THAT ONLY 1 IN 7000 PEOPLE INVEST IN PM'S?!?!
AND 87% of them do that in paper!?!?

PEOPLE ARE DOOMED WHEN THE SYSTEM BREAKS!!

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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Would someone mind explaining to me how in the face of massive global asset seizures and strict bank deposit controls this is bullish for pm's ?  Seems to me the pm's would get absolutely crushed during the time frame.. at least at first.  At some point if they reset the system assuming they anchor it to gold I could see it launch higher to what ever mix they use to tie it  to the new currency.  I would think there might be a chance to buy pm's dirt cheap in those initial panic flights.  I'd sure like a chance to add more gold if the opportunity presents itself.

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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At least at first, yes.  There may be some panic selling of just about everything in the desperation to get liquid, but as SD points out, not that many people in the US or Europe own PMs.  PMs are valuable, transportable, and relatively fungible (easy to buy and sell with low costs).  All that is defensive, the least awful option given what is coming.

There are dozens of opinions here, but I think most would agree that there is a lot more paper than physical in gold, and manipulation in silver.  Once that becomes known, the party starts.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I buy silver right now at a 40% discount in france.
i never thought this would happen.

Sure I curse my for buying a shitload on newyear but that's why I constantly buy.

There's a lot of antique silverware on the markets right now that's dirtcheap. auctions are pilling up to the sky right now.

and silver coins like eagles carry a 30% premium. go fish...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Son of Loki
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I'll take Lesbos island...if they are sincerely liquidating Europe.....just give me Lesbos and I'll have a Happy Ending.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 21:01 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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We all are figuring out that they are going after the "rich" for their money (which really means the middle class businesses and corporations because we all know that if you have a few billion you can bribe the bank official to allow you to send whatever money to wherever and if not you can remind him you can pay for him to be killed).  Who's next, Reggie was going to write about who may be next for next week I can't wait and see.  I think it will be Spain.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Just drop off the key Lee & git yourself free...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment redpill
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The last thing I want to do is hurt you.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....but it's still on the list.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment rqb1
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Its not you, it's me.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:34 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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"It's not yours, it's mine."

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Spigot
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"You didn't deposit that money. It was deposited by other people." - Zero

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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C'est la vig

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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list? what list? nobody told me bout no damn list..........

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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This is the tragedy that SHOULD have befallen the United States in 2008...but did not. I've been chewing over possible alternatives to "this" but I can't think of any right now. Obviously I find it hard to believe anyone would be advocating the end of the euro from inside Europe...and I'm unclear if that's what's being done here. If I was using the euro in any capacity I would like to know of course. The same goes if I'm charged with protecting the Continent in some capacity. Is there a cost to a peace which has lasted well over 65 years now? I would like and would like it if many others said no of course.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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"This is the tragedy that SHOULD have befallen the United States in 2008...and will end the dollar"  Fixed, FYI, Texas wants their gold back.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Better get in line behind zee Germans. Swiss are getting all uppity about "their" gold, too.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment pods
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You can only rehypothecate Libya's gold so many times.

Patience.

pods

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:04 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Better get in line behind zee Germans.

The Germans are fucking pussies; Texas will get its godamned gold back, bet on it.

(if they manage to pass the prerequisit law, of course)

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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You call this peace?

I think you'll find the moniker "hostage crisis" is far more fitting.

"Do as I say and no one gets hurt!"

*blam, blam, blam*

"Well, except for him, but he had it coming."

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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well... money can't buy you happiness...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 19:47 | Link to Comment mkhs
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But it can keep you distracted.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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When you tell one lie, it leads to another
So you tell two lies to cover each other
Then you tell three lies and, Oh Brother,
You're in trouble up to your ears!

So you tell four lies to try to protect you
Then you tell five lies so folks won't suspect you
Then you tell six lies and you'll collect
A life filled with worries and fears

'Cause you can't remember how many lies you've told
And half the things you say aren't true
And sometime you'll slip up, you'll trip up and then
Whatever will become of you?

So you lie and lie without even trying
And each lie you tell will keep multiplying
'Till the whole wide world will know you're lying
Then you'll be
Suspected
Detected
Rejected
Neglected
Disliked
And you should!
When you lie, you're closing the door
On everything good

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Northeaster
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"When it becomes serious, you have to lie,"

                                -Jean-Claude Junker

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment neutrinoman
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But seriously, who's going to keep track of all the lies and make them harmonize? Not any easy job for anyone ....

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Steve LIESman, duh.

Though the harmony is waaaaay off key.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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But seriously, who's going to keep track of all the lies and make them harmonize? Not any easy job for anyone ....

Thats what the politicians are there for....

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Got a liquidity problem, call 1-800-PtrNrth and ask for Diesel Boom to get prompt service

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Mototard at Large
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Oh dear. it is going to be the savers vs the takers for the next while as banks and governments start to run out of new sources of money.  What we are seeing in Cyprus and Spain is unnerving for many people – especially savers as the takers get more bold and desperate.   The government, the Banks and supra-national organizations are creating new policies that say they can take your savings  http://tinyurl.com/d9d74qf

(heads out to corner store to get more popcorn...)

 

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Conman
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What they want to say is , we mean it only when stock market algos like it.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The two quotes below might have been accurate - if they included a qualification to the effect "EXCEPT THE ECB"

In a speech on Thursday night in Amsterdam, Knot said euro zone banks <<EXCEPT THE ECB>> needed to clean up their balance sheets by winding down loss-making operations.

"Firstly, there has to be transparency about losses in the banking sector <<EXCEPT BY THE ECB>>. Secondly, banks have to wind down their loss-making operations," Knot said.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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ECB= Every Corrupt Bankster

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Not sure I like term liquidation...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment RSBriggs
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People might find out that "liquidation" has a slightly different meaning to any Russian Oligarchs (if any actually got ripped off) in Cyprus.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment ekm
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lew-to-head-to-europe-for-talks-with-officials-2013-03-29?link=MW_home_latest_news

 

And the cluless Lew is going to europe.

How come you americans appoint traeas sec somebody who has absolutely no clue about finance?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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We Americans didnt appoint him....CONgress did

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment ekm
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LOL.

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment ChanceIs
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No. No. No.

Lew worked for Citi.  Citi appointed him.  That is the same as saying the NY Fed did it.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Maybe Lew wants to see firsthand the Shit spew from these idiots mouths, you know, on site training...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment ekm
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It's so obvious how "leaks" happen, right on time.

 

It's just "coincidental" that FT and Reuters are publishing this stuff now, purely "coincidental".

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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This has implications for other tax havens as well. New Sheriff in town? We shall see...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Dijsselbloem has no choice but to say what he did, the EU has no choice but to rubber stamp what Dijsselbloem said.

 

The EU has a 'bank run' problem = liability imbalance problem = Target2 problem = big headache for both ECB and Germany. The EU is hinting that there will be 'levies' in all countries not just ones on the edge. The idea is to keep people from running into Germany or Finland ... and causing the balance sheet 'issues' that emerged in Cyprus!

 

The REAL big problems are:

 

a) People refuse to discuss the real problem (energy).

 

b) Europe attempts to solve an energy shortage with money, That is, by lending more or less money into circulation.

 

c) The energy problem solves itself, there is conservation by other means ... the bankrupting of entire countries. Just now Cyprus has been bankrupted. Next up are Slovenia and Hungary. Afterward, France and UK.

 

d) Instead of getting rid of the cars and keeping some residual functioning economies, the cars are clung to like baby rattles and entire economies are annihilated.

 

Good choice Dijsselbloem! I like Dijsselbloem the same way I like hard currencies: he's getting rid of the cars ... in his own way.

 

As long as one car runs in these god-forsaken countries there is more ruin ... until there is nothing at all left, not one stone standing atop another ... then there are no cars anyway.

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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CLewless Lew ...better!

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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We Amerikans appointed Lew the same way you Europeons appointed Draghi.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Easy, "plausible deniability."

How do you think Bernanke got his job?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Belrev
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I am getting weary of this Aaron Dieselblum

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Admitting they were lying... Moar loss of credibility.

Moar proof they're really just making it up as they go along. Not an inspiration for unbacked fiat currency. Guess they really do want depositor money to flood out of banks.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment illyia
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Default already... this is getting so repetitive....

Or maybe it's the music....

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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Still plenty of people, music and a few chairs left...

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Doubleguns
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And plenty of money. They will do it the moment the bank runs start.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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I vote, "D-Boom".

Definitely the best handle for him going forward.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment morning_glory
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Boom Boom shake da room...

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 01:10 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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"Boom boom, OUT GO THE LIGHTS!"

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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D - BOOM!

New acronym;

Lowering the 'BOOM' on any and all account holders.

Stealing their funds and giving them to failed banks. Who in turn give it to their share holders - the 1% ' ers.

Aaaand...... Its gone! The rich get richer.  

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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Duplicate - sorry!

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Tulpa
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European Liquidation Policy?  That's actually not a bad description of what they're doing.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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"Knot" and "Diesel".

Tie you up then burn you.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Schmuck Raker
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Thank you for giving Berlaymonster the attention he deserves.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment sabra1
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"The Not Fast and Really Furious Cypriots" featuring Vim Dijsselbloem 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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OT: can italy match point belgium's 535 days without a government... and who will play 'rompuy`stiltskin' as it dwarf's ones own first born 'dieselboomerangatango'? 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment CaptainSpaulding
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This is going to drive the overdraft protection system wacko

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment I am a Man I am...
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And that, gentlemen, is how you destroy a country.  Have you hugged your central banker today?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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If I had, I'd still have his nuts.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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     Abba - Knowing Me, Knowing You - YouTube

    This one is for you European Union .  Couldn't resist with all the other great comments posted. :-D

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Keep your money away from banksters. If they have it they act like drug addicts. If a bankster is caught with money he needs to be locked up. Arrest them.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:10 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Liquidation policy.......

 

Liquidation suits the more extreme entrepot economies of the North.

 

What they really want is a transfer of PIiG consumption so that they can consume.

 

But they don't produce anything net either.

 

Indeed because they produce more industrial goods they consume energy at a faster rate.

 

The French at least produce Nuclear energy........

 

The Dutch & Germans produce nothing but painnnnnn.

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:28 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Amerikans will just roll over and let them take everything in the account. Dumb asses

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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No matter the title of the ZH article the message is the same:

Hey Europe, they're going to fist-fuck you with no lube.  Get your goddamn money out!

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Moral:  When trust is an endangered species, you proceed independent of trust.  You proceed on principle:  "Show me, prove to me that..."

Q: Are you disappointed that they lied and continue to lie, or just angry that your need to put faith in other men remains unjustified?

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment JPMorgan
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Ann Barnhardt closed up shop and has been sounding the warning sirens well before MF Global occurred.

The message is pretty simple...

QUOTE " GET YOUR MONEY OUT OR ELSE IT IS ALL GOING TO BE STOLEN FROM YOU! "

You really couldn't be any clearer than that.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jim Rogers

Quote " The EU/IMF raiding bank accounts in Cyprus to bail out the country's financial system sets a dangerous precedent and investors should " run for the hills ".

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:28 | Link to Comment falak pema
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bail out =SQuid + FED ; aka Pax americana meme.

Bail in = Merkel meme; core europe banks only. 

Can they do both...?? 

Bail-ins will inevitably lead to interest hikes as banks fight for equity consolidation amongst themselves to stay alive. The bad banks, LTRO tarred, will be the first to fall. That is what the Diesel Bloom doctrine of transparency implies.

Which is poison to USD/QE/ZIRP/FED. 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment collon88
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"This approach will be part of the European liquidation policy".  It is also part of the US and British liquidation policies.  Ellen Brown, author of Web of Debt, has written an article that explains it here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/28/the-confiscation-scheme-planned-for-us-and-uk-depositors/#.UVSwp9sfiB8.

The worst part is that derivative exposure is senior to depositors, so if B of A or Chase or any bank goes under, she says, "In the US, depositors have actually been put in a worse position than Cyprus deposit-holders, at least if they are at the big banks that play in the derivatives casino. The regulators have turned a blind eye as banks use their depositaries to fund derivatives exposures. And as bad as that is, the depositors, unlike their Cypriot confreres, aren’t even senior creditors. Remember Lehman? When the investment bank failed, unsecured creditors (and remember, depositors are unsecured creditors) got eight cents on the dollar. One big reason was that derivatives counterparties require collateral for any exposures, meaning they are secured creditors. The 2005 bankruptcy reforms made derivatives counterparties senior to unsecured lenders."

Anyone with an account in a bank that has derivative exposure is asking for trouble.  Fortunately, I closed my account with Chase and opened one at a local bank last year.  

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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At this point, the only way to know who's lying and who's telling the truth is to get on with another liquidation.

So, is everybody ready? Start the music.

 

Fri, 03/29/2013 - 19:33 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Downtoolong  almost moved to my Bar-B-Que.   Your comment carries TRUTH!  It belies "Dark Inventory"

 
'Shadow REO': As Many as 90% of Foreclosed Properties Held Off the Market, Estimates Suggest | AOL Real Estate

  This estimate was from July-2012. You can fill in the blanks.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 08:57 | Link to Comment trebuchet
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FACT: D-Boom made  that comment. 

FACT: markets jittered, so for political expediency they did a backtrack Pr exercise.

FACT: markets calmed ( a bit) so the IDIOTS think - "we pulled it off, haha template works" 

FACT: THEY WILL TRY IT AGAIN!!!   

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Tango in the Blight
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I have a name with an IJ in it and it always cracks me up when foreigners try to say it.

Mon, 04/01/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Herkimer Jerkimer
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This is NOT the template: They are developing it. This is the basic idea, being refined as we speak. Testing, evaluating the responses (How did the population react?) They have eyes on the ground observing.

 

Once they are satisfied, they will move this up the ladder, to a country, not big, but not as small as Cyprus.

To add further refinements to the model.

 

Then they will try a smaller country.

 

Once they are satisfied?

 

Spain. Italy. Portugal.

 

The Amercian and Canadian banks will fall, as the shadow banking relationships will draw them into the mess.

 

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