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Bill Gross Channels Michael Jackson In Latest Monthly Letter, Asks "What Makes A Great Investor?"

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From Bill Gross of PIMCO

I’m starting with the man in the mirror
I’m asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a…
Chaaaaaaaange .....

Michael Jackson
A Man in the Mirror
Am I a great investor? No, not yet. To paraphrase Ernest Hemingway’s “Jake” in The Sun Also Rises, “wouldn’t it be pretty to think so?” But the thinking so and the reality are often miles apart. When looking in the mirror, the average human sees a six-plus or a seven reflection on a scale of one to ten. The big nose or weak chin is masked by brighter eyes or near picture perfect teeth. And when the public is consulted, the vocal compliments as opposed to the near silent/ whispered critiques are taken as a supermajority vote for good looks. So it is with investing, or any career that is exposed to the public eye. The brickbats come via the blogs and ambitious competitors, but the roses dominate one’s mental and even physical scrapbook. In addition to hope, it is how we survive day-to-day. We look at the man or woman in the mirror and see an image that is as distorted from reality as the one in a circus fun zone.
Yet at first blush, there is a partial saving grace in the money management business. We have numbers. Subjective perceptions aside, we have total return and alpha histories that purport to show how much better an individual or a firm has been than the competition, or if not, what an excellent return relative to inflation, or if not, what a generous amount of wealth creation over and above cash … the comparisons are seemingly endless yet the conclusions nearly always positive, rendering the “saving grace” almost meaningless: everyone in their own mind is at least a six-plus or a seven, and if not for the most recent year, then over the last three, five, or 10 years. Investors thrive on the numbers and turn them in their favor when observing their reflections. That first blush becomes a permanently rosy complexion with Snow White cheeks.
The investing public is often similarly deceived. Consultants warn against going with the flow, selecting a firm or an individual based upon recent experience, but the reality is generally otherwise. Three straight flips of the coin to “heads” produces a buzz in the crowd for another “heads,” despite the obvious 50/50 probabilities, as do 13 straight years of outperforming the S&P 500 followed by … Well, you get my point. The Financial Times just published a study confirming that a significant majority of computer simulated monkeys beat the stock market between 1968 and 2011 – good looking monkeys that is.
In questioning initially whether I am a great investor, I open the door to question whether other similarly esteemed public icons like Bill Miller are as well. It seems, perhaps, that the longer and longer you keep at it in this business the more and more time you have to expose your Achilles heel – wherever and whatever that might be. Ex-Fidelity mutual fund manager Peter Lynch was certainly brilliant in one respect: he knew to get out when the gettin’ was good. How his “buy what you know best” philosophy would have survived the dot-coms or the Lehman/subprime bust is another question.
So time and longevity must be a critical consideration in any objective confirmation of “greatness” in this business. 10 years, 20 years, 30 years? How many coins do you have to flip before a string of heads begins to suggest that it must be a two-headed coin, loaded with some philosophical/commonsensical bias that places the long-term odds clearly in a firm’s or an individual’s favor? I must tell you, after 40 rather successful years, I still don’t know if I or PIMCO qualifies. I don’t know if anyone, including investing’s most esteemed “oracle” Warren Buffett, does, and here’s why.
Investing and the success at it are predominately viewed on a cyclical or even a secular basis, yet even that longer term time frame may be too short. Whether a tops-down or bottoms-up investor in bonds, stocks, or private equity, the standard analysis tends to judge an investor or his firm on the basis of how the bullish or bearish aspects of the cycle were managed. Go to cash at the right time? Buy growth stocks at the bottom? Extend duration when yields were peaking? Buy value stocks at the right price? Whatever. If the numbers exhibit rather consistent alpha with lower than average risk and attractive information ratios then the Investing Hall of Fame may be just around the corner. Clearly the ability of the investor to adapt to the market’s “four seasons” should be proof enough that there was something more than luck involved? And if those four seasons span a number of bull/ bear cycles or even several decades, then a confirmation or coronation should take place shortly thereafter! First a market maven, then a wizard, and finally a King. Oh, to be a King.
But let me admit something. There is not a Bond King or a Stock King or an Investor Sovereign alive that can claim title to a throne. All of us, even the old guys like Buffett, Soros, Fuss, yeah – me too, have cut our teeth during perhaps a most advantageous period of time, the most attractive epoch, that an investor could experience. Since the early 1970s when the dollar was released from gold and credit began its incredible, liquefying, total return journey to the present day, an investor that took marginal risk, levered it wisely and was conveniently sheltered from periodic bouts of deleveraging or asset withdrawals could, and in some cases, was rewarded with the crown of “greatness.” Perhaps, however, it was the epoch that made the man as opposed to the man that made the epoch.
Authors Dimson, Marsh and Staunton would probably agree. In fact, the title of their book “Triumph of the Optimists” rather cagily describes an epochal 101 years of investment returns – one in which it paid to be an optimist and a risk taker as opposed to a more conservative Scrooge McDuck. Written in 2002, they perhaps correctly surmised however, that the next 101 years were unlikely to be as fortunate because of the unrealistic assumptions that many investors had priced into their markets. And all of this before QE and 0% interest rates! In any case, their point – and mine as well – is that different epochs produce different returns and fresh coronations as well.
I have always been a marginal or what I would call a measured risk taker; decently good at interest rate calls and perhaps decently better at promoting that image, but a risk taker at the margin. It didn’t work too well for a few months in 2011, nor in selected years over the past four decades, but because credit was almost always expanding, almost always fertilizing capitalism with its risk-taking bias, then PIMCO prospered as well. On a somewhat technical basis, my/our firm’s tendency to sell volatility and earn “carry” in a number of forms – outright through options and futures, in the mortgage market via prepayment risk, and on the curve via bullets and roll down as opposed to barbells with substandard carry – has been rewarded over long periods of time. When volatility has increased measurably (1979-1981, 1998, 2008), we have been fortunate enough to have either seen the future as it approached, or been just marginally overweighted from a “carry” standpoint so that we survived the dunking, whereas other firms did not.
My point is this: PIMCO’s epoch, Berkshire Hathaway’s epoch, Peter Lynch’s epoch, all occurred or have occurred within an epoch of credit expansion – a period where those that reached for carry, that sold volatility, that tilted towards yield and more credit risk, or that were sheltered either structurally or reputationally from withdrawals and delevering (Buffett) that clipped competitors at just the wrong time – succeeded. Yet all of these epochs were perhaps just that – epochs. What if an epoch changes? What if perpetual credit expansion and its fertilization of asset prices and returns are substantially altered? What if zero-bound interest rates define the end of a total return epoch that began in the 1970s, accelerated in 1981 and has come to a mathematical dead-end for bonds in 2012/2013 and commonsensically for other conjoined asset classes as well? What if a future epoch favors lower than index carry or continual bouts of 2008 Lehmanesque volatility, or encompasses a period of global geopolitical confrontation with a quest for scarce and scarcer resources such as oil, water, or simply food as suggested by Jeremy Grantham? What if the effects of global “climate change or perhaps aging demographics,” substantially alter the rather fertile petri dish of capitalistic expansion and endorsement? What if quantitative easing policies eventually collapse instead of elevate asset prices? What if there is a future that demands that an investor – a seemingly great investor – change course, or at least learn new tricks? Ah, now, that would be a test of greatness: the ability to adapt to a new epoch. The problem with the Buffetts, the Fusses, the Granthams, the Marks, the Dalios, the Gabellis, the Coopermans, and the Grosses of the world is that they’ll likely never find out. Epochs can and likely will outlast them. But then one never knows what time has in store for each of us, or what any of us will do in the spans of time.
What I do know, is that, like Michael Jackson sang in his brilliant, but all too short lifetime, I am and will continue to look at the man in the mirror. PIMCO, Gross, El-Erian? – yes, we’re lookin’ good – in this epoch. If there’s a different one coming though, to make our and your world a better place, we might need to look in the mirror and make a Chaaaaaaaange … Depends on what we see, I suppose. We will keep you informed.
Man in the Mirror Speed Read
  1. Investors should be judged on their ability to adapt to different epochs, not cycles. An epoch may be 40-50 years in time, perhaps longer.
  2. Bill Miller may in fact be a great investor, but he’ll need 5 or 6 more straight “heads” in a future epoch to confirm it. Peter Lynch is a “party pooper.” Warren is the Oracle, but if an epoch changes will he and others like him be around to adapt to it?
  3. No matter how self-indulgent you think this IO is, I just looked in the mirror and saw at least a 7. You must be blind!
William H. Gross
Managing Director

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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:40 | 3402484 eigenvalue
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The greatest investor will not be distracted by temporary setbacks!

Precious metals have bottomed. Silver is a screaming buy!

Surge, silver!

Die, silver shorts!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:43 | 3402488 negative rates
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If people have to sell silver because their dry powder profits have gone away and left them broke, then the price could drop further.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:48 | 3402502 ParkAveFlasher
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If JP Morgan keeps punching the average stacker in the gut, the average stacker might cough up some silver.  The question becomes then, why does JP Morgan want my silver?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:51 | 3402507 GetZeeGold
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Sell your real money for paper. Welcome to the Weimar Republic.


Put your trust in the printer. As we print 85 billion a month we should work our way out of this mess in no time.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:05 | 3402539 TeamDepends
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Great news!  Monsanto beat estimates!  Beat it!  Beat it!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:32 | 3402620 Croesus
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:37 | 3402641 TeamDepends
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No, Monsanto f#cks you.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:55 | 3402690 spankthebernank
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Monsanto=gut rot

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:57 | 3402704 GetZeeGold
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Monsanto - get out of jail free card.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:10 | 3402756 gold-is-not-dead
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this is monsanto's product design team in action

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 12:34 | 3403838 BigJim
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I wonder if they had to train the dog not to bite?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 15:39 | 3404829 billsykes
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That is disgusting.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:13 | 3402764 TeamDepends
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We are attempting to ram the TeamDepends Protection Act through congress but our lobbyist demands to be paid in Bitcoin(s) and frankly, it scares us.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 10:10 | 3403018 Levadiakos
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What's a Hemingway?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 10:33 | 3403125 TeamDepends
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Several egos?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 10:53 | 3403250 Levadiakos
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About 3 pounds

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:05 | 3402536 Sudden Debt
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if that comes, you'll have something to sell.

Those who don't have it will have shit to sell...

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:19 | 3402585 SilverDOG
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Sure, negative rates, dry paper profit poof! Dry paper silver etfs POOF!


The price is already dropping in paper. Look at the BILLIONS and BILLIONS of short contracts


recently purchased. Soon POOF !

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:23 | 3402592 negative rates
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All-paper-tigers die in the end, or sooner.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:40 | 3402486 ParkAveFlasher
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I'm sexy and I know it, Bill.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:43 | 3402489 ziggy59
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Im thinking "Smooth Criminal"

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:44 | 3402497 Sudden Debt
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That's "BAD"!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:43 | 3402490 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Who needs investors when you have taxpayers?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:41 | 3402858 Bicycle Repairman
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The FED will supply endless capital for free.  Your savings are not needed, chump.

And since they can get coerced foreigners to work for nothing, your labor isn't needed, either.

When this mess blows up, your tax  will be needed, so don't go away mad.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 10:51 | 3403231 I am a Man I am...
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who needs investors when you have pension funds and can charge 2% and suck at what you do

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:43 | 3402492 Sudden Debt
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It's like every black American WITH A MENTAL DISORDER WANTS CHANGE!!!???


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:36 | 3402595 Monedas
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Obama is merely the darkest of our white Presidents !  His turnip green eatin' wife is our first black doe First Lady !

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:44 | 3402493 Momauguin Joe
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"Men give up one thing to take up another, but in spite of numerous changes they do not find peace. They are no better than monkeys who let go one bough to take hold of another, only to let it go again."


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:49 | 3402504 Jason T
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"All of us, even the old guys like Buffett, Soros, Fuss, yeah – me too, have cut our teeth during perhaps a most advantageous period of time, the most attractive epoch, that an investor could experience."

true dat

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:49 | 3402506 PUD
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He is not an investor any more than any of you who daytrade yourselves silly. He is a lender. A money changer dealing with the government who spends the future in the here and now at interest at the expense of those yet born. He is an enabler. He and his kind perpetuate the system of deception and usury that leads to ruin. He's a snake oil salesman like Buffet and Ichan and all the rest so called "investors" who simply swap pieces of paper with no underlying interest in the products or services of those companies who issued the bits of paper. 

It's all a lie.

There are no "investors" only gamblers and bettors some of whom win and some who lose. A true "investor" doesn't turn his portfolio over 4 times a year or more. A true "investor" has a vested interest in an idea not just flipping a profit.

Humanity is a species of gamblers now. From scratch tickets to online poker with Zynga, from grain futures to bingo in the church basement. Stop lying. None of this is "investing" it is betting and in Gross's case it's only one small step from being a payday loan broker.

Fuck more useless guru money changer that sheep cheerfully follow

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:37 | 3402601 ihedgemyhedges
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:45 | 3402602 Monedas
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Hoarding gold like Silas Marner is investing ! It's called cottage industry !

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:08 | 3402747 Urban Redneck
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Without actual investors and people willing to take significant (gambling) risks with their own and others' money- there would be no food and no energy, you would have neither a job nor a home, much less iCrap or a live outlet to power it, or even get an internet connection to Zerohedge.

Society was built on the backs of actual investors and they continue to pay for the transfer of wealth to the ever growing volumes of useless eaters.

That said, is about as much and as wise an "investment" as  Risk/Reward has been totally screwed such there is more reward for taking less risk and delivering monetary as opposed to tangible returns.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:24 | 3402794 eclectic syncretist
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Best post I've read in a while.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:57 | 3402513 CheapBastard
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Biill Miller....that's the Legg Mason Fund gentleman, yes? My friend got creamy in that fund:


Basically, Gross is right; timing is everything.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:54 | 3402514 onewayticket2
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This is his CYA for when the SHTF event(s).

3 years ago, he said the USA was in worse shape than Greece....and weve only tripled down on the disaster since he spoke up against big spending and big liability growth. He knows its coming and he doesn't want to be another "party pooper" and get out right he needs a cya.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 07:59 | 3402522 Quinvarius
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I think we already know Warren can't adapt.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:21 | 3402591 Dr Benway
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For a manipulated kleptocratic crony insiders market, he is perfectly adapted. For what comes after, not so much

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:05 | 3402543 Orange Pekoe
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There are forces so great that it is impossible for one person to turn against them. Contrary to advice to go with the flow, it is not optional.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:12 | 3402559 Downtoolong
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Want to make money? Just go for the monopolistic power to make The Money.

Until the Fed is abolished, banksters will always make money, no matter what if. 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:11 | 3402560 Iconoclast
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Great article, he comes across as really humble, and acknowledging his good luck of being in the right place at the right time, liked this;

The investing public is often similarly deceived. Consultants warn against going with the flow, selecting a firm or an individual based upon recent experience, but the reality is generally otherwise. Three straight flips of the coin to “heads” produces a buzz in the crowd for another “heads,” despite the obvious 50/50 probabilities, as do 13 straight years of outperforming the S&P 500 followed by … Well, you get my point. The Financial Times just published a study confirming that a significant majority of computer simulated monkeys beat the stock market between 1968 and 2011 – good looking monkeys that is. In questioning initially whether I am a great investor, I open the door to question whether other similarly esteemed public icons like Bill Miller are as well. It seems, perhaps, that the longer and longer you keep at it in this business the more and more time you have to expose your Achilles heel – wherever and whatever that might be. Ex-Fidelity mutual fund manager Peter Lynch was certainly brilliant in one respect: he knew to get out when the gettin’ was good. How his “buy what you know best” philosophy would have survived the dot-coms or the Lehman/subprime bust is another question.





Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:45 | 3402662 Zer0head
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humble indeed!

right place at right time, absolutely

just a coincidence that he made $1.7b on the Fannie Freddie bail out

just a coincidence that he was loaded to the gills with MBS in advance QE3


But Mr. Gross and Pimco also attracted criticism when it became clear that the Pimco Total Return fund earned more than $1.7 billion on the day the federal government bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:56 | 3402695 Dr Benway
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"I like the Walrus best," said Alice, "because you see he was a little sorry for the poor oysters."

"He ate more than the Carpenter, though," said Tweedledee

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:38 | 3402859 MyBrothersKeeper
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He made money because he predicted there WOULD be a bailout.  You could have to.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:12 | 3402565 IamtheREALmario
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Blah, blah, blah, blah .... pass on the Gross ego piece.

1. Access to cheap capital

2. Inside information

3. Power to change the playing field to one's advantage

rinse and repeat.

If there were any real investors, they are long gone.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:36 | 3402854 MyBrothersKeeper
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Yes nobody gets ahead from hard work and HAS to be part of the maipulation crowd. Comment is disengenuous (sp)

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:14 | 3402571 resurger
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It's gonna make you feel good,

 oh! Shamon Shamon! Ooooooooooo


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:20 | 3402587 Bicycle Repairman
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"Am I a great investor? No, not yet."

What no more access to "inside juice"?  Because that's what it will take in the new epoch of crony capitalism.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:20 | 3402588 TwoHoot
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After 30 plus years of relatively successful investing, it became apparent to me about five yars ago that everything I know about investing is obsolete and useless. To use Stephen King's phrase, "the world has moved on". I sometime feel like King's lonely gunslinger lurching along from one surreal situation to another, completely out of time and out of tune.

I am not in Bill Gross's class even in my own mirror, but we do seem to have that sneaking suspicion in common.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:32 | 3402618 sandiegoman
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Gross is a stand up man. One of the few that actually look in the mirror and see the bias. I look in the mirror and wonder where the fuck did I get this sun damage from and why is my portfolio down 30%. Oh, that's because I am heavily weighted in miners......

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:34 | 3402628 orangedrinkandchips
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For Christ's sake Bill....




Shave it is so 1970s awful and has been for years!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:49 | 3402676 NotApplicable
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Sayeth the person with the disgusting avatar.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:26 | 3402796 orangedrinkandchips
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I am perfect NA;therefore, I assist others in helping them get better!!! lol...

I got that from a book I was reading, Diary of a Wimpy kid, to my kids last night and I was laughing my ass off. Funny shit!!


The respons was from the book and it was the beginning where at New Years he is having trouble finding resolutions since he is perfect. So, he goes around and helps people become better.....(like telling his sister she eats chips too loud!).


funny stuff....I was surprised.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:44 | 3402654 SheepDog-One
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Bill Gross...wants to be the 'Best Investor Eva', in reality will probably just end up MFGloballed. 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:41 | 3402655 ekm
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Panic at its best.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:52 | 3402671 SheepDog-One
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Total panic, yet so-called 'stawk markets' markets haven't suffered even a scratch. Why don't they all just plan a coordinated global Central Bankster bailout every week? 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:56 | 3402702 ekm
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No need. The Fed is only one that matters. The rest are just dependent on the Fed.

The meeting would be for political purpose only, you know. to show the world "they're doing SOMETHING".

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:54 | 3402685 dick cheneys ghost
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MarketWatch is all propaganda, be careful what you read there.........check the ownership of that rag

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:55 | 3402696 ekm
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No doubt. I check marketwatch for the oil price only, it's always on.


The headline cought my eye.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:04 | 3402725 fonzannoon
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How does a globally coordinated bailout with stocks etc. already at all time high's knock the price of oil down?

"Neither Japan or Britain have any serious scope to cut interest rates further. But they can launch fresh rounds of quantitative easing — there is no limit to how much money central banks can print if they are determined to. There is a catch, however. A stimulus weakens the currency. There is nothing wrong with that in itself. Indeed, a weaker currency can help an economy revive. But it is likely to provoke a response from other central banks."

It continues, "this response by central banks is the reason why gold has and will continue to sell of have to....goddammit just sell your gold!"

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:07 | 3402744 ekm
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It's a PROPAGANDA article.

It doesn't necessarily have to make sense.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:08 | 3402750 fonzannoon
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Didn't we have one of these "globally coordinated stimulus" events not too long ago? The result was the markets ripped higher right?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:13 | 3402758 ekm
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That was in 2011, world swaps.

This is a CURRENCY FIXING idea same as in 1985 which Martin Armstrong send a letter to Ronald Reagan's treasury sec about.


He told that guy that it was going to be a disaster, which actually led to the market crash of 1987.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 08:46 | 3402669 phalfa5
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Ebony and Ivory

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:05 | 3402740 rsnoble
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Michale Jackson. LMAO.  Looked like a fucking sleestack from Land of the Lost.  Truthfully he probably looks better now that he's embalmed.  The embalming fluid probably had gold flakes in it.  Good riddance freak.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:10 | 3402752 DavidC
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It would be a darned sight easier to be a good investor when the market hasn't been completely taken over by a market manipulator. It's probably easier for someone who is closer to the manipulator.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:09 | 3402753 Bicycle Repairman
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Anyone notice that there is only one stone child molester in history that still won't go away after he is dead?  WTF is up with that?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:21 | 3402779 orangedrinkandchips
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I like Bill and like what he said here....


Buffoon, Lynch, Soros, etc.....they are good investors but jeez....right time, right place, right amount of money. Money buys money once you get going but to say that I was a great investor making a killing in the 80s, 1999 or 2008 is wrong and over-confident. 


I was lucky at the right place, right time. 


Buffet is not that smart. Lucky in the right place. 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:29 | 3402812 Iam Yue2
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:50 | 3402914 Waterman Jim
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A real investor will invest time and money into a private business that makes something tangible, but its almost impossible in this new normal epoch. At least give some props to sucsessfull small businees owners, they are real investors.

Sorry Bill, you might be the king of bonds, but you really are not creating any wealth.

Kings never create wealth, they just take it from the people who do. Wealth is created by people who produce more than they consume.

With interest rates going down steadily for 30 years it was impossible not to make money in your business, as there was always a margin to profit.

Maybe im wrong but I look at you and see a trader not an investor, because your only pushing paper around. Real investors invest in tangible goods and people.



Wed, 04/03/2013 - 09:52 | 3402929 MyBrothersKeeper
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Gross is one of the humblest, transparent guys you'd ever meet.  He takes nothing for granted and still works 15 hr days.  If you understood PIMCO and their process it would tell you why they are so successful.  Anyone who thinks his level of success is built on inside information and manipulation than all I can say is you have no idea what you are talking about.

His point is we are all human and fallible and success is a combination of things but being in the right place at the right time (whether it be luck, divine intervention etc) is a factor that shouldn't be discounted.  When one thinks they know everything is when they begin making mistakes.  Unlike most, Bill is uncomfortable being put on a pedastool. I'd trust a guy like Gross 99.9% more than most investment people out there because he comes to work humbly everyday trying to do what's best for his clients/investors and understands what you did yesterday means nothing.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 11:31 | 3403501 LongOfTooth
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Oh great, channel a frigging child molester!

Come to think of it Bill, the way you look in that picture you just might......

Oh forget it.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 12:18 | 3403753 syntaxterror
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Gotta love a government-based economy.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 14:40 | 3404522 Shizzmoney
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"What Makes A Great Investor?"

I think this should be renamed to, "What makes a great blackmailer?":

DAVIDSON: This is Mohamed El-Erian. He is the CEO of PIMCO. And he says when they told Greece no more loans, we're not buying anymore of your bonds, the Greek government asked them to reconsider.

Dr. El-ERIAN: The Greek government came with lots of offerings.

DAVIDSON: Did they come to you directly?

Dr. El-ERIAN: They did come to us directly, via our offices in Germany and London. And we said thank you, but no thank you.

DAVIDSON: Not just PIMCO, most bond buyers all over the world were saying: No, Greece. We won't lend you money. We won't buy your bonds. The governments of Europe though, said okay, Greece. We'll bail you out but only if you stop paying all those teachers, and postal workers, and lake dryer-uppers all that money.

Remember the Golden Rule folks: He who has the Gold, makes the rules (and can psis on everyone else)

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:37 | 3406109 malek
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Note that song was written by Siedah Garrett.

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