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Guest Post: Will Globalists Use North Korea To Trigger Catastrophe?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Whenever discussion over North Korea arises in Western circles, it always seems to be accompanied by a strange mixture of sensationalism and indifference. The mainstream media consistently presents the communist nation as an immediate threat to U.S. national security, conjuring an endless number of hypothetical scenarios as to how they could join forces with Al-Qaeda and attack with a terroristic strategy. At the same time, the chest puffing of the late Kim Jong-iL and the standard fare of hyper-militant rhetoric on the part of the North Korean government in general seem to have lulled the American public into a trance of non-concern.

In the midst of the latest tensions with the North Koreans, I have found that most people are barely tracking developments and that, when confronted by the idea of war, they shrug it off as if it is a laughable concept. “Surely” they claim, “The North is just posturing as they always have.”

The high-focus propaganda attacking North Korea on our side and the puffer fish methodology on their side have created a social and political atmosphere surrounding our relations with the Asian nation that I believe places both sides of the Pacific in great danger. North Korea has the potential to become a trigger point for multiple economic catastrophes, and there are people in this world who would be happy to use such crises to serve their own interests.

The mainstream view being espoused by globalist-minded politicians and corporate oligarchs with an agenda is that North Korea is a nuclear armed monstrosity ready to use any subversive means necessary to strike the United States. The idea that the North is working closely with Al-Qaeda has been suggested in everything from White House briefings to cable news to movies and television. The concept of pan-global terrorist collusion and the cartoon-land “axis of evil” has been prominent in our culture since the Administration of George W. Bush. It has even been making a resurgence lately in the MSM, which presented countries like Iran, Syria And North Korea as the primary culprits interfering with the success of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty.

Of course, what remains less talked about in the mainstream is the fact that these nations refuse to adhere to the treaty because carefully placed loopholes still allow major powers like the United States to feed arms into engineered insurgencies. Why would Syria or any other targeted nation sign a treaty that restricts its own sovereign ability to trade while giving teeth to internal enemies trained and funded by foreign intelligence agencies?

The establishment brushes aside such facts and consistently admonishes these countries as the last holdouts standing in the way of a new world order, a worldwide socioeconomic cooperative and pseudo-Utopia. The path to this wonderful global village is always presented as a battle against stubborn isolationists, non-progressives who lack vision and cling desperately to the archaic past. The values of personal and national sovereignty are painted as outdated, decrepit and even threatening to the newly born world structure. The image of North Korea is used by globalists as a kind of straw man argument against sovereignty. North Koreans’ vices and imbalances as a culture are many; but this is due in far larger part to their communist insanity, rather than any values of national independence. It is their domestic hive-mind collectivism we should disdain, not their wish to maintain a comfortable distance as a society from the global game.

As far as being an imminent physical threat to the United States, it really depends on the scenario. The North Koreans have almost no logistical capability to support an invasion of any kind. The nation has been suffering from epidemic famine for well more than a decade.

To initiate a war outright has never been in the best interests of the North Koreans, simply because their domestic infrastructure would not be able to handle the strain. However, there is indeed a scenario in which North Korea could be influenced to use military force despite apprehension.

With the ever looming threat of famine comes the ever looming threat of citizen revolution.  When any government is faced with the possibility of being supplanted, it will almost always lash out viciously in order to maintain power and control, no matter the cost. Sanctions like those being implemented by the West against North Korea today, at the very edge of national famine, could destabilize the country entirely. I believe the North would do anything to avoid an internal insurgency scenario, including attacking South Korea to acquire food stores and energy reserves, as well as other tangible modes of wealth.

North Korea’s standing army, obtained through mandatory two year conscription, is estimated at about 1.1 million active personnel; very close to the numbers active in the U.S. armed forces. But North Korean reserves are estimated at more than 8 million, compared to only 800,000 in the United States. If made desperate by economic sanctions, the North Koreans could field a massive army that would wreak havoc in the South and be very difficult to root out on their home turf. Asian cultures have centuries of experience using asymmetric warfare (the kryptonite of the U.S. military), and I do not believe it is wise to take such a possible conflict lightly, as many Americans seem to do. It is easy to forget that the last Korean War did not work out so well for us. At best, we would be mired in on-ground operations for years (just like Iraq and Afghanistan) or perhaps even decades. Like North Korea, we also do not have the logistical economic means to enter into another such war.

The skeptics argue that we will never get to this point, though, because North Korea has brandished and blustered many times before, all resulting in nothing. I see recent events being far different and more urgent than in the past, and here’s why:

1) The West needs to realize that North Korea is under new leadership. The blowhard days of Kim Jung Il are over, and little is known about his son, Kim Jong Un. So far, the young dictator has followed through on everything he said he would do, including the multiple nuclear tests that the West is using as an excuse to exert sanctions. To assume that the son will be exactly like the father is folly.

2) Many people claimed that North Korean threats to abandon the Armistice in place since 1953 were empty, yet they dropped it exactly as they said they would at the beginning of March.

3) The North has begun cutting off direct communication channels to the South, including a cross-border hotline meant to help alleviate tensions through diplomatic means.

4) The North has officially declared a state of war against the South. This has been called mere “tough talk” by the U.S. government, but the speed at which these multiple developments have occurred should be taken into consideration.

5) North Korea has just announced the reopening of a shuttered nuclear reactor used to render weapons grade materials.

6) The DPRK has suddenly locked down the Kaesong Industrial Zone; a region which holds manufacturing centers for both North and South Korea. Southern manufacturers operating there employ nearly 50,000 Northern workers. Nearly 1000 Southerners also work there. The arrangement generates approximately $2 billion a year for the North. The joint industrial zone has existed since 2000, and the North has never locked down access until this past week.  The fact that the DPRK is willing to restrict this area and possibly lose a sizable income signals that the situation is not as “mild” as some would like to believe.

7) At the beginning of this year, silver purchases by the North from China surged. For the entire year of 2012, the government purchased $77,000 worth of precious metals. In the first few months of 2013, North Korea has already purchased $600,000 in silver. The exact size of the North’s precious metals stockpile is unknown. Though seemingly small in comparison to many purported metal holdings by major powers, this sudden investment expansion would indicate a government move to protect internal finances from an exceedingly frail economic environment.  Metals are also historically accumulated at a high rate by nations preparing for war or invasion in the near term.

Again, all that is needed to instigate an event on the Korean Peninsula are tightened sanctions. The establishment knows this, though another Gulf of Tonkin incident (an openly admitted false flag event) may be on the menu as well.

Given that the chances of a shooting war are high if sanctions continue, it might be wise to consider the consequences of conflagration in Korea.

Dealing with a large army steeped in asymmetric and mountain warfare will be difficult enough.  In fact, an invasion of North Korea would be far more deadly than Afghanistan, if only because of the sheer number of maneuver elements (guerilla-style units) on the ground. But let’s set aside North Korea for a moment and consider the greatest threat of all: dollar collapse.

As I have discussed in numerous articles, China, the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, has positioned itself to decouple from the American consumer and the dollar. This is no longer a theoretical process as it was in 2008, but a very real and nearly completed one. Mainstream analysts often claim China would never break from the dollar because it would damage their export markets and their investment holdings. The problem is, China is already dumping the dollar using bilateral trade agreements with numerous developing nations, Australia being the latest to abandon the greenback.

China isn’t just talking about it; China is doing it.

The development of a decoupled China is part of a larger push by international banks to remove the dollar as the world reserve currency and replace it with a new global currency. This currency already exists. The International Monetary Fund’s Special Drawing Rights (SDR) is a mechanism backed by a basket of currencies as well as gold. The introduction of the SDR on a wide scale is dependent on only two things:

  • First, China has been designated the replacement consumer engine in the wake of a U.S. collapse. They have already surpassed the United States as the No. 1 trading power in the world. However, they must spread their own currency, the Yuan, throughout global markets in order to aid the IMF in removing the dollar. China has recently announced a program to sell more than $6 trillion in Yuan denominated bonds to foreign investors, easily fulfilling this need.
  • Second, China and the IMF need a scapegoat event, a rationale for dumping the dollar that the masses would accept as logical. A U.S. invasion of North Korea could easily offer that rationale.

While China has been playing the good Samaritan in relations with the United States in dealing with North Korea and has supported (at least on paper) certain measures including sanctions, China will never be in support of Western combat actions in the Pacific so close to their territory. The kind of U.S. or NATO presence a war with North Korea would generate would be entirely unacceptable to the Chinese, who do not need to respond using arms. Rather, all they have to do to get rid of us would be to fully dump the dollar and threaten to cut off trade relations with any other country that won’t do the same. The domino effect would be devastating, causing U.S. costs to skyrocket and forcing us to pull troops out of the region. At the same time, the dollar would be labeled a “casualty of war” rather than a casualty of conspiratorial global banking designs, and the financial elites would be removed from blame.

Ultimately, we should take the North Korean situation seriously not because of the wild-eyed propaganda of the mainstream media and not because they are “doing business with terrorists” or because they are a “violent and barbaric relic of nationalism,” but because a war in North Korea serves the more malicious interests of globalization. No matter what happens in the near future, it is important for Americans to always question the true motives behind any event and ask ourselves who, in the end, truly benefited.


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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:20 | 3405529 Longtermnotreally
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Something's got to give, might as well blame it on the North Koreans

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:23 | 3405546 McMolotov
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Is everybody in? Is everybody in?? Is everybody in???

The ceremony is about to begin.

Wake up!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:26 | 3405565 spankthebernank
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Where have we seen this before?  Such bullshit.  Wag The Dog is a mighty relevant concept, idea, movie whatever.  Fearmongers rule the shadows.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:31 | 3405578 McMolotov
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There doesn't even need to be an actual physical war, just the perpetual threat of war.

Defense spending must never be cut, the police state must continue to grow, and we must learn to accept everything the government does in the name of security.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:33 | 3405596 Longtermnotreally
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This time it's too messy, they need a real war

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:00 | 3405957 RockyRacoon
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The question is... who is the "they" that you speak of?  I see NK as needing the war.

...North Korean reserves are estimated at more than 8 million, compared to only 800,000 in the United States. If made desperate by economic sanctions, the North Koreans could field a massive army that would wreak havoc in the South and be very difficult to root out on their home turf.

Driving them all over the border to SK could result in some massive attrition, especially if the "army" was composed of mainly women and older children.   That would certainly result in a lessening of the burden of what NK sees as useless eaters.   Of course, there is the subsequent international humanitarian relief for NK that would ensue.  It's the perfect scenario for a major shift in NK, either of population composition or ideological change.   It's a war that they could see as a win -- either way.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:30 | 3406075 The Alarmist
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Does a bear shit in the woods?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:54 | 3406167 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"7) At the beginning of this year, silver purchases by the North from China surged. For the entire year of 2012, the government purchased $77,000 worth of precious metals. In the first few months of 2013, North Korea has already purchased $600,000 in silver"

WOW, in 2012 the Norks purchased, count em, about 5 monster boxes of silver!!  And they really ramped it up in 2013, to 40 monster boxes of silver.  The North Koreans are some big players!!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:09 | 3406211 Sofa King Confused
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North K needs a central bank installed in their country

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:27 | 3406426 AldousHuxley
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they executed their central banker and reset the currency 100 to 1.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 22:49 | 3406662 TwoShortPlanks
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Kim Jong Un...Un is for U.N.

He's all for Agenda21 too since North Korea is pretty much the Agenda21 poster child.

In fact, we modelled Agenda21 on North Korea, but don't tell Kim, shit like that really goes to his head.


Thu, 04/04/2013 - 07:08 | 3407237 gold-is-not-dead
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These are desperate moves from the globalists... As soon as one of them breaks, they're all going to dig into some wholes and to learn how to use brain-wallet since their funds aren't safe anymore in Cyprus, and the gold is a heavy motherfucker to carry around in tons…

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 11:25 | 3408139 boogerbently
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1) NK will cease to (exist) be a problem.

2) The global $$ problem will be fixed.

3) Gold will skyrocket.

4) If they're smart, a lot of the Middle East/Africa problems will be "addressed."

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:26 | 3406427 AldousHuxley
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they executed their central banker and reset the currency 100 to 1.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 22:42 | 3406657 Stuck on Zero
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The silver purchases were probably not for monetary reasons but for reactor control rods. Silver-Indium-Cadmium alloys, generally 80% Ag, 15% In, and 5% Cd, are a common control rod material for pressurized water reactors. 

I'm not sure if that is reassuring.


Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:04 | 3406847 deKevelioc
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The silver is for the kid at the wheel.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:22 | 3406871 Professorlocknload
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Add the fact we have a POTUS just chomping at the bit to prove his machismo, in a move to rally support for his failing agenda as well as an excuse for .gov spending acceleration.

Pueblo Incident coming up? Not even a remote possibility? Really?

Why is Putin calling in currency over the next 3 months?

Why is PRC stirring up things with Japan?

Watch gold. $100+ daily downs mean military trouble, as nations scramble for foreign currencies.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:42 | 3406894 Professorlocknload
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Every war starts small, with something acting as a trigger. 911? Whoed a thunk 18 guys in airplanes could have caused two ME wars?

Assassination of Diem?

Proxy wars always start in some back woods place.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:23 | 3406870 Miffed Microbio...
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Maybe they're just implementing " The Mouse that Roared" scenario? Real war can be a little too messy.


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:33 | 3405601 Boris Alatovkrap
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Globalist bankster just is get more efficient, collude to create crisis to incite panic, but agree not to spend so much on arms and destruction. End of day, same game to traffic in human soul.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:38 | 3405636 stant
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the army will have to borrow bullets from the people and dhs

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:42 | 3405653 morning
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i hope I get a chance to cash my JPY shorts before it flies.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:31 | 3405845 kaiserhoff
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$600,000 in silver.  What's he gonna buy?  A fucking chicken ranch?

Tell us about the N Korean Air Force, and how they can't afford the fuel to actually train pilots for their 1950's vintage crappola.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:54 | 3405937 CH1
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Tell us about the N Korean Air Force, and how they can't afford the fuel to actually train pilots for their 1950's vintage crappola.

Right. Unless the DC boys do it themselves, the Norks haven't the ability to make good on their (reported) threats.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:11 | 3406001 ExpendableOne
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Give a few hundred thousand starving "volunteers" a rifle and a few rounds and send them south.  South Korea is a huge economy and direct competitor for many Chinese products.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:44 | 3406136 dark pools of soros
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and like old Soviet style, send the next wave with some shells and without a rifle to pick one up from the front line

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:01 | 3406190 runningman18
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NK is a considerable global arms supplier.  You don't think they have access to decent weapons technology?  They trade with China for crying out loud.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:44 | 3406302 kaiserhoff
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Check it your own self.  60 minutes did a longer piece, but it didn't come up.



Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:57 | 3406518 runningman18
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Why would NK try to compete with expensive U.S. air superiority when they can just purchase high grade Chinese missile tech to blast carrier ships and bases?

I suggest you read a few books on the concept of assymetric warfare, as the author describes. 

Fri, 04/05/2013 - 04:09 | 3411442 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is expert on asymmetrical warfare - shrapnel in right fibula is to make for shorter leg so is walk funny.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 18:20 | 3410104 Colonel Klink
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His childs names are going to be Kim jong AG and Kim jong AU!  Hahaha

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:48 | 3405672 ihedgemyhedges
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In an earlier post someone said "Short the dong."  As a man, you never want to hear the two words "short" and "dong" in the same sentence.  Especially from someone of the female persuasion.......

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:22 | 3406049 wee-weed up
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-- George Costanza

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:05 | 3405756 lotusblue
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Naomi Klein. The Shock Docterine.Never let a crisis go unmanipulated

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:29 | 3406434 AldousHuxley
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boy who cried wolf.


shock value lost when you have constant crisis....N. Korea is in this business for 3 generations.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:19 | 3406942 ronaldawg
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Author said:

It is easy to forget that the last Korean War did not work out so well for us.

Total utter horseshit.  North Koreans attack in May 1950 - they are pushed back to the Chinese border by October 1950, when China enters the war - the North Koreans are decimated by that point.  The Chinese fight the rest of the war with a casualty rate of 7 to 10 times the US/UN losses.  North Koreans are puppets of the Chinese after October 1950.

I was stationed in South Korea - mostly flat and moderate rolling hills, sort of like Southern California with no trees and very cold (at times).  North is even worse.  There is no where to hide unlike Afghanistan.  Also because it is North Korea, the U.S. Military can do precision and carpet bombing.  Living in tunnels plays to the US strength.  Obama can go nuts with his drones.  War will be over very quickly.  South Korea will be toast but I don't see how it could spread elsewhere.

This article is a liberal wet dream.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 04:23 | 3407109 runningman18
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So then, if we "won" in North Korea the first time, why are we doing this shit all over again today?  Are you one of those guys that also claims we "won Vietnam" and we are "winning in Afghanistan"?  Don't let your misplaced pride blind you to the danger right in front of your face.

Fri, 04/05/2013 - 18:13 | 3414477 ronaldawg
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Politicians didn't want to win.  Most people living in the US at the time knew little or nothing about the Korean war - it was coined a "Police action". 

Straw man of Afghanistan is nonsensical.  

My point was if we finished the Korean war to the logical end - the world would be a better place and this NORK would have never been born.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:42 | 3405660 defencev
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Just one word about this "article": bullshit. Any kind of "strike" against US (and I do not believe that there is anything in North Korea capable of reaching continental US) will lead to total obliteration of that space. Nobody is going to invade them.

"The author " of this article is an idiot which should have been obvious from his previous postings.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:48 | 3405677 dasein211
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Think about it. NK would be annihilated of course but an EMP would leave our whole country like sitting ducks. We'd pretty much kill ourselves. Imagine one MONTH no electricity. It would kill us economically for sure. We'd be at our weakest and ripest for the picking. It would be china's wet dream militarily..... And Russia's. No iPads to eat. We'd go crazy.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:35 | 3405853 ihedgemyhedges
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You're right about the EMP finishing us.  Just think, young teen chicks couldn't facebook from their iPhones, fat unhappy married women couldn't watch Real Housewives of Miami/Atlanta/New York/Beverly Hills, etc and the EBT cards wouldn't work at the strip clubs.  It would be pure pandemonium......

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:51 | 3405924 CH1
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You're right about the EMP finishing us.

False fear, my friends. Good for novels.

EMPs have a very limited footprint. Think about it.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:10 | 3405997 BigJim
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Bingo. You'd need scores of EMP-enhanced nukes to seriously damage the US - along with the means to deliver them.

Mind you, if they could EMP NYC, things could get interesting in the world of finance real fast... .

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:21 | 3406043 dasein211
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Uh no. It depends on how the nuke is built. A nuke geared toward an EMP type blast can be very small yet EMP a huge range. There was a congressional report out in 2009 I believe that covered this very scenario.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:20 | 3406237 Sean7k
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The Congressional report was panned after further study.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 22:03 | 3406539 dasein211
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From what I understand, you have to adjust the core to get maximal gamma ray emission. It's a matter of designing it so as many gamma's escape as possible. That means less core shielding before detonation. A large yield detonation is done in two stages with high shielding in order to maximize the fission reaction before it gets to the hydrogen for fusion. A smaller yield weapon could be maximized to create a large E3 impulse theoretically. It is very altitude dependent. This is all theoretical since we can't actually test the weapons and can only use mostly computer modeling but it still seems feasible. I also don't trust how DPRK keeps emphasizing their "small scale" tactical weaponry. They seem to be either bluffing this very thing or have an ace under their sleeve. Lots of testing data they could have got from Russia that we don't know about. Don't underestimate anything they can do. Lots of empires have been crushed by underestimating their adversaries.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 05:18 | 3407138 Andre
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50 miles up. Two. One megaton each.

Starfish Prime.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:36 | 3405857 New_Meat
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dude, take a toke, relax.

how does an EMP from DPRK get into north america?

PRC and Russia are also rather more electronic than you admit.

With your boogie-man postulate that EMP kills everything, it is self-suicide* to do a low-ground burst that spreads the EMP across the world.

- Ned

*These days, it is important to know the distinction between self-suicide and "suicide". Don't cha' know.

** ;-O

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:00 | 3406185 Winston Churchill
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Prolly the same way those tons of blow and weed do.

The southern border is a joke, could ll slip a tank division thru'

unoticed on an early Sundy morning.

Orientals like attacking Sunday mornings.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:53 | 3405696 defencev
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I found it especially idiotic the reference to increasing purchasing of silver by North Korea: does "the author" presume that North Korean prepare silver bullets against "American vampires"?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:20 | 3405814 margaris
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I agree, the mentioning of this totally microscopic purchase of a few silver bars makes the author look like he's just beefing up his arguments.

This ruined the article for me, because the crazy conclusion that 600 kilos of silver for a government of 25 million people is somehow relevant to the progress of events is beyond sensationalism.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:57 | 3406174 snr-moment
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 22:06 | 3406547 runningman18
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"This ruined the article for me, because the crazy conclusion that 600 kilos of silver for a government of 25 million people is somehow relevant to the progress of events is beyond sensationalism..."

It's the considerable spike in purchasing as well as the timing that is important, not the amount.  It is dishonest and sensationalist of you to call the mere act of pointing this out "sensationalism".  

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 23:24 | 3406755 margaris
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Something shall not be called a "considerable spike" when...


  •  ... you are looking back and comparing with only a short timeframe (in this case a year)
  • ... you are still in the time of occurence of the spike. Meaning you are in the 4th month and comparing the last 3 months with the 12 months of the last year.

    Why the rush to make a statement? Why not compare 12 months with 12 months?

  • ... the previous purchase (77k in a year) was so irrelevant for a government (or even your average veteran investor), that you can savely say that it is the same as ZERO without changing the underlying statement.

    If it is ZERO, than EVERYTHING that came after that would automatically appear on the radar as a spike.


So point 1-6 I kinda liked, but then came point 7... should have ended at point 6 and I would have really enjoyed the article.

ok then...


Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:34 | 3406888 runningman18
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Your logic is highly flawed.  As far as the purchases reported by NK, 5 min on google showed that they've never bought that much silver from China in such a short period.  All you need do is look it up before making naive assumptions.  Also, even if NK shifted from zero silver to $600,000 in a few months, the point is the same - it is a considerable spike just before tensions increased substantially, and worth pointing out as possibly meaningful in the grander scheme.  Again, what about this do you not grasp?  Making up your own personal definition of what constitutes a "spike" is not really helping your argument, and actually diminishes your credibility.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:10 | 3406916 margaris
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why google for 5 min when the link was already provided in the article?

All other links found with google rephrase this one short memo from the "YONHAP NEWS AGENCY"

I think you show a very strange fascination with an utterly irrelevant claim.


But ok, please provide me with the link to a gov site of NK, where they list their yearly PM purchases...


oh wait...

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:22 | 3406946 ronaldawg
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I know - it is like a James Bond movie.

North Korea will go to where the silver is stored in the world and they will NUKE it - then their $600,000 in silver will be worth 10x as much. 

Then North Korea owns the world.... Yeayyyyyyy.

Author is a moron.  Maybe the new leader likes silver toys to beat off to.....

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 04:37 | 3407117 runningman18
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No country releases an accurately audited recording of their yearly PM purchases, not even the U.S., but you are certainly welcome to study the data the Chinese have released on their sales to NK. 

I actually have far more fascination with your mindless display of cognitive dissonance.  It's amazing to witness the mental gymnastics you are going through in order to validate in your own mind a statement that was broadly presumptive and, well....foolish.  



Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:10 | 3406004 runningman18
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You don't think that a sudden 1000% increase in silver purchases at the onset of nuclear testing and major sanctions is worth mentioning?  $600,000 U.S. is a sizable purchase for such a poor government.  You aren't very bright, are you?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:21 | 3406243 Sean7k
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600,000 is a sizable purchase for you or me, to run any country or maintain trade, it's laughable. You're remarking on another's brightness? Really?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:26 | 3406421 runningman18
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Where in the article does it say anything about NK using the $600,000 silver to "run the country" or "maintain trade"?  The author merely commented that the increase in purchases was sudden and acute in just a few months time.  He even points out that the amount is small in comparison to larger countries, but It's certainly something to consider given the tensions taking place.  What exactly about this fact are you not grasping?  Are you really that dense, or is it all an act?

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:47 | 3406897 Professorlocknload
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Isn't silver also a vital ingredient in weapons systems?

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 11:57 | 3408280 Sean7k
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Well, what else are they going to do with it? It's too much for the limited number of missiles they have produced. Normally, metals are bought to back up currency value or use in trade during an embargo. It is absolutely meaningless. You want to make a big deal out of nothing. Your density is off the periodic chart.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:28 | 3405836 11b40
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Agree this is B.S., and I have to wonder about his "leanings" when I read this:

"The path to this wonderful global village is always presented as a battle against stubborn isolationists, non-progressives who lack vision and cling desperately to the archaic past. The values of personal and national sovereignty are painted as outdated, decrepit and even threatening to the newly born world structure."

I guess those neo-con idiots who gave us endless war in the ME are "progressives".  What tripe.  The people I know who I would call progressives tend to be more in the America First camp, and not Internationlists bent on hegemony.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:05 | 3405983 runningman18
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Sadly, defencev, your silly ignorance has caused you to miss the entire point.  Even if the U.S. was to nuke North Korea, the Chinese would still retaliate by dumping the dollar and annihilating our economy.  It's so simple, only an idiot like yourself would be unable to understand it. 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:26 | 3406253 Sean7k
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The Chinese have around two trillion dollars, part in bonds. If they dump them, They get screwed. The FED balance sheet is three trillion, how has it annihilated our economy? Further, how do you dump dollars? In the ocean? You have to buy something and someone has to make that deal. Are you going to make that trade?

Stop listening to the wind me ups.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:43 | 3406475 runningman18
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Ah, ignorance really does cloud the mind, doesn't it?  China is selling $6 trillion in their own bonds, and they are close to becoming the world's largest holder of gold reserves.  They will survive a dollar collapse just fine, bud.  Thier debt to gdp ratio is only 8%, compared to our 102%.  Also, how does one dump any financial instrument?  By exchanging it for any other instruments available in as many markets as possible, then trading those instruments, and so on, until your original holdings are stealthily unloaded.  As long as you are the first, and not the last to unload, you reap the most benefits. 

Do you know anything about economics?  You're depressing me with your lack of rudimentary knowledge.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:25 | 3406949 ronaldawg
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All the Chinese numbers are made up - debt to gdp ratio when they lose their best customer?  Really?

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 04:50 | 3407119 runningman18
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I trust the Chinese numbers on debt more than I trust the U.S. numbers.  Where is your evidence that the Chinese debt to gdp ratio is false?

Also, the U.S. is no longer China's best customer.  The ASEAN trading bloc has replaced us.  Besides, this isn't about China.  This is about the global banks and their desire to supplant the dollar.  China is just a tool in reaching their goal.  Yes, really.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 12:14 | 3408388 Sean7k
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Chinese numbers are traditionally measured against energy use to confirm production, econ genius. They always show exaggeration. Two, you can't have it both ways. First China is the driving force behind the yuan movements and now, when its' convenient, it is the global banks? 

Further, debt to GDP is a useless indicator. The make up of the economy, the degree of sophistication in goods and services, the total residual capital, as well as military projection and the will to use it are far more telling measures. 

In mant ways, China remains a third world country with a population so large, it makes lifting that population out of poverty almost impossible. They can't even solve their pollution problems. 

You need to learn about economics.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 12:05 | 3408322 Sean7k
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Obviously not as much as imbecility. Quote your source on gold holdings cause China isn't even close and I follow gold. Six trillion in yuan bonds? As compared to how many bonds in dollars, euros and yen? What a moron.

Actually, dumping any financial instrument in significant numbers is extremely difficult- esoecially Treasuries. Someone has to redeem them (that would be us). Further, three trillion wouldn't even cause the US any harm, but it would cause the Chinese the loss of an export market and food source, thus guaranteeing domestic revolution. 

Worse, you seem to think the Chinese are not in league with every other central bank on the planet. Talk about clueless. Go back to your troll shelter.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:49 | 3406321 AllWorkedUp
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Sorry I could only up vote you once. Ignorant sums it up. This is all about the petro dollar and the banker destroyed U.S. toilet paper as reserve currency.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 21:07 | 3406367 Poor Grogman
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isn't the fed always in the market for more USTs?

Dumping the dollar will only work if done selectively, which would not go unnoticed by helicopter Ben.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:19 | 3406038 ramacers
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"never let a good crisis go to waste", who siad that?

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:26 | 3406951 ronaldawg
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Rahm BITCHEZ....

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:25 | 3406953 All Risk No Reward
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>>Something's got to give<<

I think you meant "somebody has to take."

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:20 | 3405530 dasein211
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Apparently they have a satellite in space, launched last December and no one knows what it's for. If its a nuclear tipped satellite then all they have to do is launch and detonate a nuke 300 miles above the US and an EMP takes out our electronic infrastructure. The the US will be a sitting duck.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:21 | 3405537 Motorhead
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If it hasn't been zapped out of space already.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:26 | 3405552 McMolotov
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Remember how we sent up that secret space plane thingy that was in orbit for a long time?

EDIT: What InconvenientCounterParty said below.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:36 | 3405612 camaro68ss
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The NK Satellite is up there. floating at 340 miles up. I was tracking it this morning. It flys over the USA every few days


This build up is the mother of all black swans

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:39 | 3405633 dasein211
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Fuck.... That was my next question. Would exPlain their belligerence and their new found confidence to take it to this level.

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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:35 | 3405617 Boris Alatovkrap
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:41 | 3405643 morning
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:42 | 3405658 gmrpeabody
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There..., I fixed it for you...

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:03 | 3405740 cossack55
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:25 | 3405832 Petrus Romanus
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:12 | 3406008 McMolotov
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(Why aren't you at your post?)

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:23 | 3406047 forwardho
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Just ask Bowie

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 20:33 | 3406276 tsx500
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Wed, 04/03/2013 - 23:17 | 3406741 Kirk2NCC1701
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Jennie, Jennie!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:29 | 3405842 margaris
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what has van halen got to do with it??

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:34 | 3405603 thisandthat
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That would've been a masterclass chess play! Most likely it was just a test launch, though.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:38 | 3405635 morning
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Poor spotty teens in San Diego with their PS3s off the grid for 24 hours.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:46 | 3405676 Another-Ex-RPI-Man
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You are seeing too much of Die Hard IV.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:22 | 3405533 OldE_Ant
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Tell me when such a move is good for China and I'll believe otherwise it is just fluff and puff.  Way I see it if NK even flinches China will plow them fucking under if it isn't in their best interests either.

This BS appears only to be good reason for the US to start 'beefing' up (or is that horsing up) more defenses. (i.e. more military and more public fear leading to martial law).

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:25 | 3405555 kliguy38
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Just send the TSA in to the border and letum search their panties.......they'll teach um

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:34 | 3405616 snr-moment
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Kind of like what we did to the Soviets under Reagan huh?  Only this time China's doing it by proxy

Sell Seoul some of those Nukes Obama wants to destroy.  All our enemies seem to be getting them from somewhere.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:39 | 3405640 Longtermnotreally
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The real enemies are in governement

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:08 | 3405768 snr-moment
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The apparent almost 2 million nork soldiers who think you're evil might have a say in it too.  But, go for it.  Start reeducating them

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:41 | 3405874 GeezerGeek
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Ours, theirs, or both? I vote for both.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 05:22 | 3407141 swiss chick
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The real enemies are in ALL governments...

There fixed it for ya

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:51 | 3406160 OldE_Ant
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I normally don't like to reply to my own posts but I did some subsequent analysis regarding NK.

The simple upshot here is it IS in China's best interests to use NK as the barking dog to scare world markets and cause an increase in the value of US Treasuries (particularly if one is looking to unwind a large exposure)

In this way China can use it's VAST US Treasury holdings and NK to manipulate Treasury and FX markets to their own advantage.   I would propose that China is seeking to maximize return on their UST assets by using NK as their market manipulator and positioning appropriately (by selling USTs into markets like today) and buying them when tensions die down.  Or just selling USTs and buying securities of hard asset producers at the same time.

The long term goal here is to take the profits and money from their USD holdings and to diversify them into hard assets of all kinds all over the world.  As they continue to do this China loses BIG if their is some sort of world conflict.  The bonus is if they have their barking war dogs under control (and with NK they absolutely DO) they can sell USTs at highs, buy at lows, rinse repeat for cash while keeping their best financial weapon against the US loaded.  Buy hard assets as well as invest in companies producing hard assets (energy, metals, grains, etc.) with any cash profits.

In time as people start to lose faith in the USD Chinese can push for a BRIC currency, sell their own bonds (to further leverage their assets) and buy more hard assets.  In time when they have enough hard assets they can back another set of bonds by precisely those hard assets causing a further appreciation of their economy and power to the detriment of others.   In time if necessary they can either threaten to launch their financial nuke (not caring if they lose the money because they already got enough back by manipulation) or just launch it hoping to destroy whatever is left of anyone stupid enough to do business in USD and thereby manipulate the US.

Smart and very wise, very patient play by the Chinese here.   Millenia of intrigue have made a very able and long term forward looking opponent to the US.

Quick summary.  NK is the barking dog tool of China.  Plain and simple.  If necessary China will sacrifice NK to maintain it's own world situation.  As China diversifies it's economic interests into hard assets (and a population dependant on jobs) around the world courtesy of US weakness they will have more and more to lose if a world conflict were to arise.  In the loosest sense this indicates the western world (US) will have 'more and more' to gain out of creating such a conflict.

The more I analyze the Chinese the greater respect I have for them.  Truely a long term forward thinking and age wisened culture.  The US would do well to pay attention here, but I think the ADD western world couldn't think beyond the next debt ceiling debate which should be illustrative object lesson to those of us who are students of history and civilization.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:50 | 3406956 ronaldawg
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I agree with your "barking dog" tool - I actually call them their pit bull.

But Chinese long term forward thinking?  They have a 1.2 billion time bomb ready to go off at any time.  They have more people unemployed than the entire population of the US. 

I believe the Chinese are treading water - a global downturn and you will see civil unrest like never before.  Their banking is in shambles.  The books are completely cooked - bad investments everywhere. 

That is probably why NK is making a commotion now - to cover the Chinese collapse.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 04:45 | 3407122 runningman18
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Yeah, that's why they have surpassed the U.S. as the number one trading power in the world....

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:25 | 3405553 Motorhead
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That fat putz of an DPRK "leader" (who studied in Switzerland) is just that, a fat putz.  Or, let's call him the "Fat Leader" (with 'great' and 'dear' already used up).

Since that 1950-53 "police action" was a UN gig, should anything go down, it will be interesting who else joins in on the fun.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 08:56 | 3407460 Chaos_Theory
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The hive people call him "The Great (or also Young) General."  Show some respect...dude beat COD MW II in 6 hours and only ate 2 boxes of Twinkies.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:26 | 3405557 Pretorian
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Long Iphone 5 short Samsung Galaxy.  Long Krugman Short Biderman and his shirt.  

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:25 | 3405559 InconvenientCou...
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DRPK can't test missles anymore.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:39 | 3405869 cougar_w
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Very true. Either they are happy with the results to now and can conclude tests, or they have given up.

I suspect the latter. Means probably they have run out of resources. It was up for debate where they were getting resources and technology from in the first place, China would be high on the list of course. Maybe Iran as well. So the Chinese and Iranians have pulled out? The DPRK is on their own.

They might not like how that feels.

NK cannot take the South. They'll starve to death within three months just trying. It would be national suicide.

Maybe that's the plan. If that's the plan then Japan and SK are fucked like a duck.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:57 | 3405954 Urban Redneck
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When has an ICBM ever actually been used to deliver a nuke?

Given the hundreds of nukes that have been detonated over the past 3/4 of a century there must some form of proven delivery vehicle to deliver the warhead from the manufacture/storage facility to the location of detonation...


Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:13 | 3406920 mkhs
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The Jim Jones defense?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:31 | 3405566 darteaus
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Nuclear war could give Obama the "right" to cancel elections ala Chavez & his other Socialist heroes.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:15 | 3405793 snr-moment
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Actually, if it makes you sleep better at night, it would guarantee he loses

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:08 | 3405989 darteaus
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The one who counts the votes determines the winner - not the voters.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:14 | 3406014 snr-moment
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same response

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:01 | 3405962 Urban Redneck
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No, even FDR stood for election, so that wouldn't fly, but it wouldn't stop him from stuffing the ballot box for his candidate of choice.

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:57 | 3406907 Professorlocknload
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"Presidents are selected, not elected." FDR

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:27 | 3405567 Motorhead
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Any skirmish with the DPRK should certainly put an end to the sequester.  And Paul Krugman will be overjoyed (another putz...we'll call him the Great Putz).

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:29 | 3405580 Soda Popinski
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Now we have a real reason to invade, like Libya, for the precious metals.  The west can then procede to confiscate the silver, and sell it off on the open market, to make up for a COMEX that is full of cobwebs and IOUs.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:32 | 3405584 Motorhead
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There's one thing North Korea has in common with the US Fed:  they both counterfeit.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:32 | 3405588 Truther
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It's war BITCHEZ.... Can you spell that Dragon Draghi?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:33 | 3405606 DeliciousSteak
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-North Korea has announced that it will no longer abide by the armistice at least 6 times, in the years 1994, 1996, 2003, 2006, 2009, and 2013.

-There were two isolated violent incidents in 2010, the ROKS Cheonan sinking (cause disputed, but suspected to be a North Korean submarine attack) and the North Korean Bombardment of Yeonpyeong.

There was been much much serious shit going on for a long time now. The current situation is no different. The North has actually used force before and it didn't lead to anything. Why is the media pushing this like nuclear holocaust is coming?

It is pretty much certain that this is just posturing by NKorea. 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:21 | 3406045 runningman18
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Actually, it's completely different, considering this time around the U.S. in on the verge of total economic collapse, and, the timing is perfect for the globalists to pull the plug.  There are too many morons out there focusing on North Korea rather than the globalists behind the tensions with North Korea.  The North is just a distraction.  The U.S. dollar is the real target, as the article very concisely points out. 

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:34 | 3405610 Kirk2NCC1701
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A:  Does the pope wear a funny hat?  Do bears shit in the woods?

This week, while traveling abroad and meeting with hundreds of American businessmen, entrepreneurs and finance/banking people, there are  a recurrent consensus:  "Something wicked this way comes."  Many of them have repeated different stories that the US Gov is expecting something REALLY BIG to happen.  Either in the coming weeks or, more likely the coming months... May-Oct time-frame.

The consensus is also that the CB's are so desperate about the dollar's dominance as the reserve currency, that they'd be prepared to start a major war.  Even a limited nuclear war involving Iran or N. Korea.  That's why more Americans than ever are quietly moving their liquid assets overseas, and working on getting residency status elsewhere -- where it's safer and more "asset friendly".

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:47 | 3405681 toady
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Is that you Simon?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:40 | 3406122 wee-weed up
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Kirk2NCC1701 said...

more Americans than ever are quietly moving their liquid assets overseas, and working on getting residency status elsewhere -- where it's safer and more "asset friendly".

Surely, you jest!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:34 | 3405611 Truther
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NK has silver? well then, I will tell the americans to nuke you.... you anti semite you....


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:43 | 3405656 Citxmech
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Oooooh, and they just purchased $70k worth?  I bet many folks here have lost more than that in weekend boating accidents. . . wtf?

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:57 | 3405713 Truther
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I can just hear DR. UN sing now.    bwahahahahah.....I own z world now..... bwahahahah

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:22 | 3405819 AL_SWEARENGEN

NK has $600k of Silver??  That's even more than I ever had with me on board my boat, before realizing the cocksucking Pinkertons had drilled holes in it, and it sank to the bottom of a lake.


Seriously,, Turkey / 30% rise in Silver imports, now Silver news from NK.  What's going on here..

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:34 | 3405619 GOLD AND SILVER...

LONG KIMCHI!!  That stuff is going to be scarce soon!

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:33 | 3406964 ronaldawg
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And they can bury it - just like their silver.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:37 | 3405625 Madcow
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Looks like they're not wating on anyone. If they're already sending predator drones to take out suburban homes - its game on -


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:36 | 3405627 Shameful
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The fight would not be as hard as Mr. Smith thinks.  First off what are the condition of those soldiers, also I'm pretty certain that desertion rates would be downright silly.  These poeple likely could be bought off with a few sacks of rice.  Sure it makes oen hell of a trigger for a conflict to cover up economic problems but fight would not last long.  SKorea could beat NKorea no problem, sure Seoul is lost because of bombing, but the South could actually maintain a fight.  China steps in and it's a different situation, the US cannot project a ground force against China, couldn't' in Korean War and China is a little stronger now and US comparatively weaker.  Geopolitically doesn't serve China now, if China wanted to set that off it's solid to turn eyes towards demon US for it's monetary losses and malinvestment, but there is some juice in the tank before they need to resort to that.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:37 | 3405858 W74
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The last thing S. Koreans want to do is slaughter their own kin.  Sure they want unification, but they certainly don't want war.  China will be key and hopefully the South doesn't get into too much disarray battling the North before they're blindsided by both Chinese pouring over the Yalu and by simultanious landings in the south west (a reverse of what the US did at Inchon).

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 01:52 | 3406990 ronaldawg
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Yalu is the river between North Korea and China - your comment is sorta goofy.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:36 | 3405629 shutupnsing
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It all comes back to the central planners...whew! Every stinking mess in the world today has their fingerprints all over it!

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:05 | 3405750 bigyimmy007
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Yes because at the end of the day, trying to "make policy" ie being a politician is just playing mind games with the masses. It always ends in rage and bloodshed once the jig is up.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:37 | 3405630 earleflorida
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absolutely fantastic analysis, mr. smith


Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:40 | 3405645 Citxmech
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Why would we invade NK?  This kind of threat is what our military was designed for:  Standard operating procedure (1) shut down their airspace, (2) destroy their eyes and ears on the ground via cruise missile, and (3) have our way with their launchers, artillary, and tanks by air.  During Desert Storm we lost what? - more people from shipping accidents than actual combat?

Of course, we're not going to do that with two B2s, six B52s and a couple of F22s.  When Guam starts to look like Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, then we can start getting worried.

Of course if there was a first strike by NK (false flag or otherwise), I'm sure there's at least three Trident's parked within striking distance right now waiting for launch codes.

The bigger question is China's role - I figure Kim Jong Un probably isn't cleared to wipe his own ass without clearance from the PRC.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:47 | 3405903 cougar_w
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All good points.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:26 | 3406059 runningman18
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Why would we need to invade Afghanistan or Iraq?  Your logic falters when you look at the history of U.S. military action.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 19:49 | 3406157 Citxmech
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Because Iraq was about oil, and Afghanistan was about flanking Iran (oil) and securing the heroin trade.

What does NK have that would warrant winning their hearts and minds with democracy?

Thu, 04/04/2013 - 00:51 | 3406902 runningman18
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Iraq and Afghanistan were about stretching the U.S. thin and driving us into massive national debt.  They were not about oil.  That is a delusion.  How much of that oil are we pulling out of Iraq by the way?  That's right, not much...

The goal is to weaken the U.S. until we break, and a war in NK would complete the process.  You have to look beyond the disinfo and your own biases and consider the big picture, otherwise, you'll never get it.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 23:46 | 3406800 cornflakesdisease
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Afganistan is about preventing an oil pipeline direct to china.  Iraq was about oil priced in Euros sold at a discount to the dollar.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:42 | 3405654 Fix It Again Timmy
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Hell yes, they will....

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:42 | 3405655 dracos_ghost
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A lot of drama when they have no problems seizing assets by technocratic decree and not a friggin' peep from the masses who were dry penetrated and left without a cuddle afterwards.

This is Un's debutante ball. He either comes off as a baddass to the West or he joins Daddy post haste.

TPTB could give a rat's ass. The bigger question is who is left in the wings if it's decided that Un must go. Maybe the devil you know is better than the one you don't.

I say send Rodman back. Hagel and Obama can do nothing but fuck things up at this point.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 17:43 | 3405662 hannah
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north korea is using 40 year old ak's (from the videos)....$35 each maybe and they cant even afford ammo in the vids. they dont have nukes. their so called missles dont actually function.


this is all bullshit.

Wed, 04/03/2013 - 18:01 | 3405736 slyhill
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"Damn duuude! You're such a fuckin {insert hyper-partisan hyperbole here}!"

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