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Two North Korean Submarines "Disappeared"
Chosun TV is reporting that South Korean military have lost contact with two North Korean submarines that left their naval base in Hwanghae Province a few days ago.
There has obviously been a lot of changes between last week and now and South Korean military officials suggested that while maneuvers in February were nothing meaningful, now it is provocation.
The two 'torpedo' subs are small 130-ton, 30-meter, 10-man machines that can stay submerged for three-to-four days.
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Don't worry they are "parked" on the floor of the ocean.
Das Boot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEshDVqkj4I
Two questions, range and nuclear capbility?
50 miles and marshmellows.........enough to do a lot of damage according to Michael Bloomberg......also rumored to have capability to deliver 32oz soft drinks to our own shore
"Disappeared."
Is that anything like Corzined?
Not buying it! I don't think they can hold their breath or bladders that long...
It's probably not even a 30-meter sub. 27 tops. Eat Fresh!
Men do seem to exaggerate length.
I wouldn't touch that comment with MDB's pole ;-)
Hollyrood!
So they take out LA ... will we really miss it?
I know I wouldn't, of course MoonBeam is doin a pretty good job of nuking the entire state right now...lol.
http://www.SecondKoreanWar.com
I figured it wouldn't be long before reincarnated jesus showed up to pimp his site some more.
time for the world police....fuck ya........
Yup. That's what submarines do.
for those of you who've never heard ben fulfords' take on the the situation....
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2013/04/what-is-going-on-with-nort...
"The two 'torpedo' subs are small 130-ton, 30-meter, 10-man machines that can stay submerged for three-to-four days."
Come on now....they can stay submerged a lot longer than that.
Right. It's the coming back up that gets tougher as time goes on.
Works for both sexes:
Everything over a cubic mouthful is wasted;)
I've got a good story about that...but everyone would think I'm exaggerating ;-)
"Aye lass. I know me organ's a bit small. but I didn't know I playin' in a cathedral."
Maybe they are sleeping with the fishes?
Of course not. Don't be ridiculous. They just got sequestered......
Would someone get that Jong kid a popsicle so he'll stop crying? Then let's park a smart bomb with a fire cracker in it on his front porch (like Ray-gun did to Quaddafi)...he'll prolly get the message and go eat some more comfort food like Kentucky Fired Chicken.
""Disappeared." Is that anything like Corzined?"
Similar but better. There's a chance they might surface again.
Quit playing with your dinghy!
I doubt a 10 man sub would have the ability to launch anything other than a torpedo or diver. But, if the crew don't mind, they could probably stowe one onboard, park it on the bottom of a nearby harbour and set it off.
Incheon Bay
The subs were dispatched to Lake Travis - Austin, Texas!
Koreans are hobbit small so a ten man sub is actually a 20 man sub for them, if they chill on the garlic
How much range do you need to park alongside Fukushima and lob a few shells at the steaming remains of the crippled fuel ponds? Or any other nuke plant in the west?
Now that is a very scary idea.
Holy crap....they did vow 'merciless nuclear war' on amerika. this would definitely fit the bill....
In answer to your question generally, I'd rather be in a German Type XXI, circa 1945.
Less flippantly, (1) fairly limited, and (2) none. They are diesel powered, with batteries for operating underwater. The moment they need to recharge their batteries, in a couple days, they'll be quite easy to find. They are armed with vintage Russian/Chinese active-homing and/or wake homing torpedos with conventional warheads.
Some will recall a couple years ago that a South Korean frigate sank in mysterious circumstances. It was raised and found to have been torpedoed, likely by a sub of the same class mentioned in the article. The SK ship didn't have its sonar systems turned on at the time.
Diesel electrics are much more difficult to find than nuclear powered boats in shallow waters. They need only rise to snorkel depth and could easily mask the sound with shipping traffic. These boats tend to stay in shallow waters and that serves to keep them hidden from other subs, of which there are several off the coast of NK right now, no doubt. They could be found by air and magnetic anomaly, but no doubt they are inside of a surface to air missile envelope for the moment. The snorkel mast is detectable but I'm guessing the NorKs know this and could obscure it from radar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-submarine_warfare#Current_technologies
You lost another submarine, Yuri?
From the Hunt for Red October
I would not be too surprised if this ever really escalates (again) its because China plans on securing most of North Korea a la UN humanitarian issues. However, I can see the PLA-N really looking to base some Chinese subs out of "captured" Korean territory. It has to be the most frustrating blue balled feelings to want to build a blue water navy and still be 10 miles from the Sea of Japan. Being bottled up in the east china sea sucks.
If I put my non-green China hat on, I would induce Kim Dum-il whoever to spark something and then while the US and the South exhaust themselves in 30 days of hell, China "invades" the north to stop the war - securing new bases on the Sea of Japan AND looking like an international "savior."
That is a game changer. DPRK and its insiders do not take a dump without China's approval.
Nah, both will pop up in NY harbor to grab a burger.
They're defecting to come live in Montana like in The Hunt for Red October.
Wonder if they have caterpirrar drives?
No, I think they are searching for all of the lost gold and silver that seems to get lost during all of these boating accidents. They must read ZH!!
Suicide mission.
Little Kim: Now you guys don't worry (he actually talks like that, watched too much US tv) what's in the box just drive up to San Francisco, park get out and wave at the Americans, don't forgot the message we taught you " Goodbye you mother fuckers" then press that liitle red button. Don't worry it will be all over in a flash.
...Don't worry they are "parked" on the floor of the ocean.
Yes... perhaps all these threats to nuke us is because they know who sank them.
'Roanree. I'm so roanree...
"Ah so Birre Crinton. Did you bring the pictues?"
???
Yeah. They are Advanced PADI certified. They are wreck diving.
Put
Another
Dollar
In
insert Bitcoin joke here....
They dumped all the bitcoins at the bottom of the ocean. It's their scheme to get rich.
It's hard to believe that THIS is the official North Korean News Agency:
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201304/news02/20130402-10ee.html
Looks like they've been using the same template since, oh, 1993. Why mess with a classic?
This home page is provided by Korea News Service (KNS) in Tokyo ...
I had a 5 hour car ride with my wife one afternoon after having Korean BBQ for lunch. That was 5 years ago and she still reminds me of it. I cant imagine what it would be like inside a korean sub.
Diesel/electric suba running silent with a good captain would be hard to find...especially if they are using the terrain to their advantage. I dont know this class of subs but they can't stay down too long...
So they lost two subs that could be carrying a nuclear bomb each. Now there was something about subs and Pearl Harbour in 1941 .................naaaaaah must be my memory playing tricks.
Good thing we live in a Constitutional Republic else some madman may bring us into war.
Don't worry. We'll just conquer them, force unification with South Korea, demand a common currency, and force them to print money.
That'll fuck 'em for the rest of eternity.
madmEn
just pluralize that (figuratively and historically) and you're good to go
Looks like it's almost time for the US to bring democracy to North Korea by bombing the shit out of it.
Did they discover oil in North Korea? Has North Korea got a significant quantity of gold squirreled away? No? OK, then no need to liberate them, everything's cool.
Remember, they have unicorn lairs, and since our entire economy runs on unicorn farts, North Korea is pretty much asking for it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/30/unicorn-lair-discovered-nort...
Why not, give them loans and make them buy iPads and stuff.
They actually have about 6 billion barrels of exploitable oil, and 6 trillion in rare earths and other minerals.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/NH08Dg01.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/10/08/korea-north-oil-idUKSEO15687320071008
Liberation incoming.
Interesting links, bravo.
Looks like it's almost time for the US to bring democracy to North Korea by bombing the shit out of it.
not enough brown people
they are defecting
When I first saw that I read "defecating", which makes more sense somehow.
ditto on the defecating
+100 on the gif avatar
The last time some minisubs had entered South Korean waters (in 1996) all the crew defected and got jobs at Hyundai.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/18/world/north-koreans-slip-into-south-in...
i hope they re-emerge by wash. d.c and nuke the fucking place. and then wall street
As awesome as that would be, it would just give the fucktard leaders of the USA yet another excuse to blame someone else for their management shortcomings.... as I'm sure they will do when this whole thing comes down. Maybe they are hard at work positioning North Korea to be the scapegoat.
Problem with your wish (that we all share):
They'd (politicians) frontrun that news, cower under the Virginia and Denver bunkers, and buy put options from there while praising a giant owl and sucking each other off. On the other hand, what with the burgeoning radiation, they might spin the event into something good, like, "Well, the radiation has blessed you all with another pair of functioning arms, so you'll theoretically have to work half as hard!"
I'd prefer they start with Fraud street.
buy ES
Sounds to me like "someone" is angling for a big "humanitarian aid" boost. When your population is constantly on the brink of total starvation, you will do anything you must to get what you need.
Or, this new generation NK punk is really going to do something monumentally stupid, in which case NK will become the largest field of glass in the universe.
I'm not so sure.. nuking the living daylights out of N. Korea would probably kill a lot of S. Koreans... as well as Chinese. So we might just obliterate them with conventional munitions - god knows we could do it, and I suspect 'our' MIC reckons it's time Uncle Sam replenished his hardware.
nuking the living daylights out of N. Korea would probably kill a lot of S. Koreans... as well as Chinese.
Answer to that, NEUTRONS.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that the Chinese are waiting at the backdoor to provide support, or in this case, just plain take over, when the PRK finally has its conniption fit.
http://freebeacon.com/risky-business/
Does anyone here actually believe Barak Obama would launch a strategic nuclear strike after having won the most undeserving Nobel Peace Prize for his "efforts" towards nuclear non-proliferation? Sorry, but I don't see this egomaniac reneging on his Nobel... I wish the fucker would so I could dislike him that much more.
i downvoted you for thinking that Obama actually makes any decisions
Yes I think he would, if for no other reason than to feel important.
Those dirt-eating lollipops in North Korea have a new cloaking device.
In all seriousness though, a diesel-electric sub can be damn hard to find in the best of circumstances. Hopefully they've BEEN disappeared.
How hard can it be to find a big chunk of iron that bends magnetic fields? Don't the South Koreans have Auroras, or something similar?
You're Canadian? I'm from NL.
If they're running on electric, sitting tight, those would be shockingly hard to find, actually.
Yeah, BC. I know the electrics are quite quiet, and they don't have the heat plume a nuclear sub has, but still, wouldn't the sub show up quite easily on a MAD? Heck, I figured what with the magnetic detectors they have now for ore and oil exploration, they'd have a military version to tow behind a helicopter or airplane that would be 100 times as sensitive as the tail on an Aurora.
They're made of wood. But had they been made of steel, you'd be right. Except for the issue of "where to look". MAD doesn't blanket the entire theater, only detects (or doesn't detect) where you happen to be scanning. And it would need to be reasonably near the surface. Not a problem since wooden submarines float.
I found them... with Google Maps
South Korea should have about 8 P3-Charlie long range patrol/Anti submarine aircraft (Auroras to Canadians). They also have about 25 rotary wing ASW aircraft as well.
don't know if for a fact, but my guess would be that there are a few USN P-3s visiting the area right now as well!
Sonar - lower the ball!
We know where they are. So what? I am positive the US Navy can take them out any time. But...why?
The Seventh Fleet could drop an anchor on them if they wanted.
If they are in the right mood, they will.
The Navy has some characters, but you'd better help or get out of the way.
10 man machines? heh...
Probably just bumped into a boomer.
One man to steer, nine men to operate the bike pedals.
Municipality workers?
Sunk Mi Dong.
when does china pull down kim jongs pants and spank him for being so pesty???????
What's long, hard and full of seamen?
Sarah Jessica Parker?
Have you ever seen Sarah Jessica Parker and John Kerry in the same room together?
Do you consider a stable a room?
...damn it, i was just about to make dinner... appetite ruined...
+1 anyway for the creative image...
Peddow faster Dim sum, faster Kim Chi...
We have a saying in Sweden: Dont fight mountains when there is gravel.
Went looking for the US debt bubble.
Some kind a download was attempted through Chrome when i hit this link just FYI.
Sounds like the 1950's again - if a unit of US troops had their left flank and right flank protected by South Korean troops they would soon have the choice of retreating or being surrounded. Losing track of 100 foot long metal objects does not inspire confidence.
Must be those new 'ultra quiet' pedal powered subs. The new 'Flintstone' class.
10-man, underwater sausage-fest
Maybe I am the only one, but how would someone near Los Angeles feel if nuclear submarines with cruisemissiles and supersonic B2-bombers from North Korea sail and fly within 20 miles from their coastline ?....Right, not very much at ease..
You aren't the only one..... They're born every minute......
Turn N. Korea into a sheet of glass if they even fart on American soil.
Cool! Then we can break that glass and send Krugman into orgasmic convultions and the economy into full recovery! Woohoo!...
I don't want to see Krug orgasm. Bad, bad, image. Take it back. Rip my eyes out of my head.
Hang on, I got this one...
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIIOyVxREz8AZ437w8QF;_...
glassblowing 101
This would likely cripple both S. Korea and Japan, which would probably be enough to tip the whole thing over (globally).
these were sandwiches, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDqcFtvgh00
From 2010 report: attack on South Korean Corvette
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/20_05_10jigreport.pdf
"We confirmed that a few small submarines and a mother ship supporting them left a North Korean naval base in the West Sea 2-3 days prior to the attack and returned to port 2-3 days after the attack."!!!
THU. 20 MAY, 2010Heads up if our leaders announce there's nothing to worry about.
Funny story, on the government radio yesterday morning (NPR), they were interviewing some "expert" from some university who noted that there was nothing to worry about because Kaesong was still open, indicating "it was all just bluster, and Kaesong shows that they're really not serious on the ground".
Funny how that works.
Q: How do you separate the men from the boys in the North Korean navy?
A: With a crowbar.
ROR!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td5asxXUWfg
a bucket of cold water
reference my post on the most recent NK article before this came out - if you're looking to the sky for an attack, you're looking the wrong way
gosh im soooooo glad my country spends 700 billion dollars a year on the military to protect us from the chubby precocious kid......every dollar well spent....
oh wait.....
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/31/187297/dod-inspector-general-finds...
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/04/01/More-probl...
Yes, clearly our WH had to be "sequestered" in order to save the 70k a week for this...or a third vacation, golf lessons...or sumpin ;-)
"Due to the Sequester, US military responsiveness may be delayed or eliminated in total" Although I want to Impeach Obama Now - In this case it might actually be Bush's fault, calling out Iran, Syria, and North Korea and then going after Saddam.... I call it as I see it....They all seem to look like Manchurians to me.
Saddam tried to assassinate his dad with broccoli. I wouldn't let that stand either ;-)
But seriously, the Norks got caught red-handed helping to build a nuke facility in Syria, whoops, an er ah, agricuture station in the desert using shipments of Nork "cement". And O'Barry has said Iran will not "go nuclear" on his watch.
This thing (with the Norks) I believe is a distraction.
did someone flush the toilet?
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korean don't translate well - so solly
They look pretty intimidating:
http://marcospizzaassets.com/EmailClubLibrary/EmailFea/Downloads/Subs_Si...
Hmmm -- well, they could give you a pretty bad stomach ache ........
Maybe they turned on the sirens and took the whole crew to breakfast. That's what the local fire station crew does in my neighborhood every morning at precisely 8 am.
Can Alan Arkin do Kolean? The Koleans are coming, the Koleans are coming!
This could be the Arch Duke Ferdinand moment that the elites have been waiting for.
Seems like all out bar fights always start out with some guy spilling his beer on somebody or putting his hand on the wrong woman's ass.
Recall the old bumper sticker,
One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day!
Ain't nobody gonna run their mouths about sub activity unless they want to spread disinformation.
one can understand the concern as submarine sandwiches are a luxury in n korea
Poor bastards in N Korea are more brainwashed than we are in the US. At least that's what I'm told..
A little aside but another internal we don't call them terrorists when they are muslims and work for the DOD shootings?
http://www.wdrb.com/story/21874718/ft-knox-on-lockdown-after-shooting
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- A Ft. Knox spokesman says the post lifted its lockdown just after 7 p.m., in the midst of a shooting investigation on post.
There was no word on casualties as of 7:25 p.m.; however, the shooting took place late Wednesday afternoon in the vicinity of Human Resources Command, which employs roughly 3,800 people.
Inbound traffic to Ft. Knox should expect delays at the entry gates because of heightened security. Stay with WDRB News. We'll bring you more information as this story develops.
They shot their way in and stolez all the goldz. OH NOEZ!
The one guy who saw into the vault and saw it was tungsten blanks and not gold had to be eliminated to prevent any possible future Bradley Manning whistle-blowing.
Oh come on! They will soon wash up at a Californian Beach, enjoying the music, the sun and the beautiful ladies there. Nothing to worry.
alot of boat rebalasting
going on down the yard..
North Korean boat owners already underwater, and that without a loan.
They are here on DelMarVa, not far from the mouth of the Choptank, waiting to do OBowel's bidding.......
Bullish glowing sushi
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/04/03/tell_me_how_this_starts
Tell Me How This Starts What war on the Korean Peninsula would look like.Interesting.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2013/04/04/and-in-todays-episode-of-as-north-ko...
Japan’s Asahi Shimbun reports that US spy satellites have picked up what they believe to be North Korea moving its new, long-range KN-08 missile on a train to the East Sea. North Korea claims the missile has a range of 10,000 km, but local military authorities think it can fly just 5,000—6,000 km, which would still give it enough juice to hit Hawaii or Alaska. At any rate, nobody is sure what the thing is the photos was, or if the KN-08 is even real.
Your subs will lose. that isall.
Suicide missions in an electric submarine against Fukushima just might not.
Spill a shitload of reactor rods all over the place, nuke Japan's territory with more radiation and kill oceanlife and contaminate the West Coast .... seems like a total win for the Norks.
Hell they could do it with a regiment of No-Dongs. Fukushima's in range and that many ballistic missiles would probably overwhelm ABM defenses.
Yeah destroying Japan's nuclear reactors would nuke the US and Japan (which most Koreans hate) way more than anything NKorea can REALLY launch.
Corzine took them to move his MF Global money out of Cyprus