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US Secretly Deploys B-1 Strategic Bombers, E-6 "Doomsday" Planes Near North Korea
First the US fanfared the placement of two F-22 Raptors in the Osan airbase of South Korea. Then it demonstratively launched a B-2 stealth bomber on a training mission over a South Korean gunnery range. Then it deployed an anti-ballistic missile defense system to Guam and positioned two guided-missile destroyers in the waters near Korea. And now, courtesy of the Aviationist, we learn that the Pentagon has escalated once more in an ongoing cat and mouse game with North Korea, of who blinks first, and dispatched several B-1 ("Bone") Lancer strategic long-range bombers to Andersen Air Force Base in Guam. What is different this time, however, is that unlike the previous very public and widely trumpeted reciprocal escalation steps, this particular deployment has been kept secret from the public (at least the broader public), "a fact that could be the sign that the U.S. is not only making symbolic moves (as the above mentioned ones), but it is preparing for the worst scenario: an attack on North Korea."
How has the Aviationist learned this?
From his station in Amarillo, Texas, author, investigative journalist, technologies expert Steve Douglass heard something interesting. In a message he sent us on Facebook he said:
“Late last night I monitored “DARK flight of seven” on PRIME (311.000 MHZ STRATCOM PRIMARY) asking for current weather for UAM [airport code for Guam - Andersen Air Force Base]. On the frequency of 251.100 Mhz,DARK flight also was calling for “GASSR 11 and GASSR 12? (KC-135s) for “Tanker drag to BAB [Beale AFB, California]“.
“Dark” is the standard radio callsign for the 7th Bomb Wing’s B-1s based at Dyess AFB, near Abilene, Texas.
Even if U.S. bombers routinely deploy to Guam (where at least two B-2s are reportedly already based), the fact that seven “Bones” were apparently moving together is something a bit unusual, even if they were not going to Andersen AFB (they might need the weather report for UAM because it was an alternate airfield or simply a stopover on their way to somewhere else).
Actually, it’s also weird that some many big bombers were flying together (as the “flight of seven” heard by Douglass seems to suggest) since a standard ferry flight of multiple planes would normally see the aircraft move individually. And, another strange thing is that the pilot talked about their destination in the clear: if they wanted it to be secret, they would speak on secure radios.
Nevertheless, this might have been a non-standard deployment; a move ordered hours after U.S. satellites and spyplanes from South Korea and Japan had spotted North Korean missiles being readied for launch.
What is even more curious is that instead of merely serving as very expensive deterrence props, the squadron has a very offensive role, and is preparing for attack:
Earlier [Douglass] had intercepted an interesting communication off a military satellite in which an Ellsworth AFB’s B-1B, callsign “Slam 1?, was training to hit a “missile facility” in Snyder, Texas.
A practice run for a mission in the DPRK with a school bus depot standing in for the real thing?
Maybe.
American B-1 bomber pilots have reportedly shifted their training programs, focusing on in East Asia, more than Afghanistan and the Middle East. And, above all, any training mission has many similarities with actual sorties that would be flown against a real enemy in combat.
Anyway, Douglass has recorded an audio snippet of the exercise (available here). Based on the coordinates for Snyder, Texas here‘s the target on Google Maps.
Finally, and most disturbing, is that another aircraft also in the process of deployment is none other than the E-6 Mercury "Doomsday" plane, which are among the pinnacle in US Airforce nuclear war preparedness, tasked with "providing command and control of U.S. nuclear forces should ground-based control become inoperable" and whose core functions include conveying instructions from the National Command Authority to fleet ballistic missile submarines and also to further command post capabilities and control of land-based missiles and nuclear-armed bombers.
You can read more about the military air activity recently monitored by Steve Douglass in an extremely interesting article he posted on his blog that not only summarize the contents of the messages he sent to The Aviationist, but provides some more details about the alleged overseas deployment of E-6 Mercury “doomsday” planes from Tinker AFB, Oklahoma.
Perhaps to Kim Jong-un the military escalation to nuclear war is only one big joke, but to the US it is increasingly appearing very serious. And perhaps this is precisely what the Pentagon wanted all along?
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but.....but.....george and obama kept telling me IRAN was the problem...that IRAN was going to blow up the world.........i believed them.....i really did..........
axis
Axis indeed. Now that Chavez is outta there... The dominoes are falling quickly. And by falling I mean being pushed over.
It is unlikely North Korea has the technology to hit a continental US city with an ICBM.
However, it very well may have the technology to put a small nuclear device in orbit and then detonate it over the continental US, thus taking out most electronic devices with an EMP pulse.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/u-s-on-alert-for-overhead-nuclear-blast/
It's doubtful and almost impossible they have the capability emp in space as they basically need neutrom bombs (see Gordon Prather) which they almost definitely don't have, the Chinese aren't that stupid. Also it would help if the stupid fucking US would stop staging monster war games every fucking year.
THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN A HUGE DISTRACTION. NORTH KOREA IS NOT GOING TO NUKE OR FIRE MISSILES AT ANYONE.
Yet another absurd US-engineered bullshit conflict.
Maybe this is about China, not North Korea. Dump the USD and we'll be right over to show you something. Just a wild thought of a conspiracy theorist.
Right. This is a message to China/Russia to back off the BRICS bank
Russia and China are behind all of the North Korean nonsense:
http://www.secondkoreanwar.com
Does North Korea have oil?
Why the f@ck would the US spend a dime on that place then? Who is this a proxy war against? China?
The same as last time... Russia and China.
nobody engineers bullshit false flag events like the CIA.
What....the Central Incompetence Agency? You give them far too much credit. You could only wish they were "in the know", but they aren't. Western intelligence is dominated by strategic simpletons and you should be embarrassed by your utterly irrational false confidence.
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-idiocy-of-us-intelligence.html
April 10, 2013
Mossad does it pretty well.
This is a proxy war against the U.S. and the Western allies and you see the world upside down as exemplified by your disgraceful avatar.
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/11/on-north-korea.html
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.ht...
Why cooperate in your own destruction and subjugation?
North Korea does NOT have a Rothchild controlled PRIVATE Central Bank.....Neirther do Iran nor Cuba..Lybia and Iraq did not have one either until recently........
"North Korea does NOT have a Rothchild controlled PRIVATE Central Bank.....Neirther do Iran nor Cuba..Lybia and Iraq did not have one either until recently........"
Bingo
I blame Todd Margaret
Nobody telegraphs nuclear punches like they're doing and means it. Either they have a series of very serious hidden chess moves or they want more money from somebody.
I am curious-
can the N Koreans hit what they aim at?
I suggest they aim for Kansas-City. Then they have a chance of hitting something somewhere on the continent.
how far along is the US anti-missile "defense" shield? iow, does it work?
They don't have to hit what they aim at, just get close...remember, close only counts in horseshoes, hand-grenades, and, yes, H-bombs. If they can throw up something just about anywhere over the continental US, it's a win via EMP.
They will fire a missile straight out to sea.
This is getting tedious.
They'll send a team of 40 commandos driving garbage trucks to take down the White House in 13 minutes flat & kidnap the teleprompter & defense secretary in the situation room... If they don't get the nuke codes, they'll drag Valerie Jarrett down the hall while she pledges allegiance to the flag... Boner will be put in [temporary] charge & will start crying... Dennis Rodman will end up saving the day...
"Dennis Rodman will end up saving the day... "
This is going to be just like that Gilligans Island episode where the Harlem Globetrotters have to defeat the robots to save the island.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJxz5EM2kc
They must have discovered oil in North Korea.
This is all Dennis Rodman's fault...
This is all a fucking cartoon.
All of it. The entire construct is a farce and a spectacle. After thousands of years of 'civilization' - this is the best we can do. How pathetic are we.
Great comment, that.
Fucking FULL RETARD society... The only ones who don't think it's full retard are the jews who are furiously pulling levers & spinning dials from behind the curtain trying to maintain the smoke & fire special effects show...
Well the USA is the nation that should know
banana republic... [ask kito, above ~ it's also his favorite place to shop]...
Nah, that slumlord patch of smeared pigeon shit Jarrett would make Barry give them the codes.
Wow what a movie that will be......!
Here's the tell:
" And, another strange thing is that the pilot talked about their destination in the clear: if they wanted it to be secret, they would speak on secure radios."
It means Obama is quite serious about attacking N. Korea....if the provocations continue. He likes to kill people. One at a time (Chicago); in hundreds (drone strikes); a few thousand (Libya); tens of thousands (Syria)....6 figures next.
Should be good for another Nobel peace prize.
I don't think so, the naval base here on Coronado is awfully busy lately. 4 carriers in port ready to roll. Something's up, I've never seen so many warplanes come in like the last few days.
Gangnam Style.
Well, with four Carriers tied up there, you would have all their air group flying off to the various Naval Air Fields. The skies would be packed. Not sure that the air activity you see is anything but routine for a Carrier coming into port. Though in my three years stationed or home ported in San Diego, I never remember seeing 4 Carriers in at once, that seems unusual in the extreme. I was either across the bay at the Fleet ASW Warfare School, or home ported down the bay and sailed past the Carrier berths on our way in and out of port. 4 is a lot at once, no doubt!
Convenient way for the navy to be spared the bulk of the Sequester cuts?
Shore leave sufficient to wipe all memory of not being paid?
Keep in mind that NK shares borders with China and Russia. Now tell, why would the US be interested in such a particular location?
"BINGO" Now you are getting to the heart of the matter! Russia a few months back deployed their brand new ultra modern S-400 Mobile Anti Aircraft Missile System to their border area with NK. They deployed S-400 there even before the Moscow Air Defense District got fully equipped.
The S-400 is superior to the US patriot, and is capable of taking down Missiles, Cruise Missiles and all forms of Air Craft. Stealth is not at all immune.
For Russia to deploy there, even before Moscow, means they are serious about their border areas.
No country need to NUKE USA.
They just need us to spend some more.
Here is an article from 2009 over at Asia Times titled "Nuclear war is Kim Jong-il's game plan". Pretty interesting reading almost four years later:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/KF12Dg01.html
"The game plan for nuclear war specifies four types of thermonuclear assault: (1) the bombing of operating nuclear power stations; (2) detonations of a hydrogen bombs in seas off the US, Japan and South Korea; (3) detonations of H-bombs in space far above their heartlands; and (4) thermonuclear attacks on their urban centers."
And...
"The detonation of sea-borne or undersea H-bombs planted on the three countries' continental shelves will trigger nuclear tsunamis with devastating consequences."
If anyone bothered to read the link, h/t to Fukushima Sam, this little tid bit at the end seems to be slightly different than what we have been told the capabilities of NK are:
Further down you get to this gem.
Kim Myong Chol is author of a number of books and papers in Korean, Japanese and English on North Korea, including Kim Jong-il's Strategy for Reunification. He has a PhD from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's Academy of Social Sciences and is often called an "unofficial" spokesman of Kim Jong-il and North Korea.
I sincerely doubt North Korea has 300 nukes and delivery vehicles capable of reaching the US (ICBM's etc.) I think the author is on some kickass coolaid or i have seriously underestimated the Kim's.
You can't believe everything written deep in the bowels of the CIA.
I doubt that N Korea has thermonuclear capability
Did you miss the detonation in January?
I would say they have capability. The will to use it and delivery method(s) not so clear
No i did not. I take the boastful ramblings of an DPRK spokesperson with a grain of salt. But as i alluded to, i might be underestimating them. Still i consider them having thermonuclear capabilities more likely than them having discovered a unicorn lair.
A thermonuclear or hydrogen bomb is different from a plutonium or a uranium bomb.
The hydrogen bomb relies on fusion, while the other two bombs rely on fission.
Currently it is believed that the PRK only has plutonium and uranium capability.
Uranium or plutonium Fission bombs are used as the trigger for the thermonuclear fusion Hydrogen bombs, and the fusion weapon is relatively easy to build after you already have the fission weapon. H-bomb Plans were published in a book available in USA, and probably now found on internet.
US DOE policy is to not comment on "leaked" information. There's no confirmation that any plan you come across in the clear is a valid working design.
Furthermore, you could even assume you have known good plans in your hands to build one but that doesn't mean you have the capability to. Simply stated, it's not nearly as easy to build an H-bomb as you believe it to be.
It is not so complicated to build an H-bomb either. To build a fuel-effective H-bomb is indeed not easy, but it is not necessary to reach a hefty yield. A high fusion burnup is difficult to realize, that's right. But to create a very massive neutron-flow from fusion can succeed, and fusion neutrons typically have energies north of fourteen Mev, which is more than enough to induce fast fission in an U-238 tamper. Because such depleted uranium has no critical mass, you can pile up hundreds of pounds, which can yield several megatons through said fast fission (no chain reaction, all neutrons coming from the fusion stage). This is exactly the reason, why the Castle Bravo test was so much stronger than expected, and should not be underestimated.
But in general you're correct: It's not that easy.
Large and simple and inefficient is easy to design and build. Small and efficient is more difficult to design and build.
For either fission or fusion bomb. The most difficult part is obtaining and enrichment of U-235 or Plutonium 239.
Depleted Uranium U-238 used in fast breeder reactors to make Plutonium 239. Same concept of a breeder power reactor can be used in building bigger Uranium fission bombs, as said above, with big neutron source? Protons also needed?
If I remember correctly, Soviet Russia built the world's largest Uranium fission bomb.
Difficult to put a large bomb on a missile, but easier to put in a smuggler's large aircraft or a ship.
Okay, a little late, but I'll answer shortly: You are right, the enrichment of U-235 is difficult, but not necessary. The best stuff to build the bomb from is without any doubt Pu-239. This can be breeded in light-water-reactors, if you keep the specific burnup under 100 MWd/ton (Megawattdays per metric ton). [Typical burnup in a commercial reactor would be north of 30 000 MWd/ton]
Plutonium is created in each and every light-water-reactor, but most of it catches additional neutrons, so it becomes Pu-240, then Pu-241, etc. These are Isotopes you must separate, because they would cause premarure Ignition, thereby diminishing the yield greatly.
But if you keep the burnup under the aforementioned 100 MWd/ton you get Pu-239 which is more than 98% sheer, and that can be used for a bombcore without any post-processing. This was done in Hanford for the Manhattan project.
As you may can see, there is NO reactor-design, which cannot be used as a source of the fissile material for the bomb. (And don't you stress me with LFTR, they are able to breed U-233, which can also be used to build a bomb in gun-design, so don't get me started on this.)
If there remain questions, feel free to ask.
@SpiceMustFlow:
The author of this article differs with your opinion regarding North Korea's EMP capability:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/19/north-korea-emp-attack-c...
This is probably the worst article I've ever read, great to wake up to
Yep. Pretty bad. I somewhat argee with it's conclusions. I think it's reasonable that the US (and the world, at least nations with multiple NPP's) should have spare parts of critical components that are likely to suffer damage in the event of an EMP or a CME, so that they could get the power grid up and running quickly and stay in control of their nukes. I like to think that is the smart thing to do, and it would be pocket change compared to the amounts being bulldozed into black holes these days. just sayin.
How about putting a missle on a ship off the coast... A commercial container ship or "tanker" for example. One on the east and one on the west.
Iranian ships of the commercial carrier IRSL have direct transit routes from Iran to Venezuela all the time....bringing in materials for the Russian-Venezuelan-Iranian development of uranium mining and refining and nuclear facility construction ... just like the russians did for the Iranian imamas... and tankers transit these routs all the time, unnoticed. Stop - launch - sayonara - bonzai.. DC NY LA a maritime 9-11....
I lost my virginity outside of the Osan Air Force Base.
DADDY!!!!!
Sure this is looking very onimous... but WTF I just sprayed my coffee all over the keyboard.
Thanks Bitchez.
I lost mine in the back seat of a 1970 Chevy at a gravel pit just outside my small town while home on leave from 12 weeks Bootcamp at the US Naval Traning Center San Diego. I felt it a patrotic duty to bang an American Girl first time, before I hit the fleshpots of the Western Pacific regions.
@Jack
Vega wagon?
Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse-traders mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we were flying any lower we'd need sleighbells on this thing.... but we got one little budge on them Rooskies. At this height they might harpoon us but they dang sure aint gonna spot us on no radar screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSQAZEp3PA
We'll meet again
Don't know where, don't know when
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day
I, for one, hope that WE have closed the doomsday machine GAP. I would feel much safer knowing that if THEY can wipe out all life on earth we can do it TWICE over. Fuck Year!
SAC, Peace is our mission, Bitchez.
"Where's Major Kong?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6WD7B_I_9c
B-1 Survival Kit Contents Check
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qqfsQGYus
Love ya tom.
I think that decided not to use the B-52's cause some of the guys flying might think they time warped back into Vietnam and werr extending Operation Linebacker I and II
So instead, they use the B-1 from the Carter era. Ever see one of those up close? They're about the size of a Learjet.
B-1's carry more munitions than B-52's.... a lot more. If you think they are a Learjet, it shows you don't know anything about them.
Bulshit. Those are huge mother fuckers I've seen them in Texas on a final approach. Why get on the thread and write that they're the size of a Lear jet. U r so full of shit.
I'm an Air Force brat and my father was in SAC. I've been around the B-52 and B1. The B1 is bigger than it looks.
There is ALWAYS a retard on these threads... Tylers PLEASE do something.
Gross take off weights.....
Learjet 45 21,500 ibs
B1B 471,000 ibs.
To be fair, that is before Chris Christie boards the aircraft.
as a bomb "Fat Man" or as cargo
Shoot! A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Pyongyang with all that stuff.
Kubrick was a god
"Kubrick is a god"
Yes.
Kubrick is a Starbaby.
The moon landing was his best work, dr. Strangelove a close second.
Thumbs up for the Dr Strangelove reference.
Try Failsafe
black n white, henry fonda larry hagman walter matthau
very real mid 60s nuke war flick
Both are great movies.
I would recommend Red Alert by Peter Bryant which Kubrick based Dr Strangelove on. A chilling book and very serious unlike the movie which he turned into an excellent satire.
Buck gets the call "What's cookin' on the threat board, nothin?!!............bump everything up to condition red and stand by the blower...........I might mosey over to the war room and see what's doin' there......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYd9OBmC9-U
Peter Sellers pure comic genius plays three roles.
I can hear you fine Dmitri...can you hear me?
Now Dmitri...
Who should we call, Dimitri?
(listens)
The people...? Sorry, you faded away there.
(listens)
The People's Central Air Defense Headquarters. Where is that, Dimitri?
(listens)
In Omsk. Right. Yes.
(listens)
Oh, you'll call them first, will you?
(listens)
Uh huh. Listen, do you happen to have the phone number on you, Dimitri?
(listens)
What? I see, just ask for Omsk Information. I'm sorry too, Dimitri. I'm very sorry
LOL
I'm more sorry than you, Dmitri...
Mein fuhrer, I can walk!
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!
Somebody's gotta go back and get a shit-load of dimes.....wait, what?...nevermind.
There used to be Eight jet engines on a B-52.
Sequester.
They now only have 3.
Dr. Strangelove?
Wolfgang Schauble
TeamDepends, BRILLIANT! Four stars for humor and wit.
Thanks
But wait…… there's real important stuff happening
homosexual football players might come out
Michelle O is a “busy single Mom”
Don't touch that dial, get the popcorn.
When did Oblabla take up football?
Sorry for the threadjacking but Dr. Steve Pieczenik is on the DMZ in South Korea reporting what is actually going on instead of the National Propaganda Media. stevepieczenik.com Dr. Steve Pieczenik
Go short Ukranian Hookers and VS Cognac; long iodine tablets
I wonder what would happen if we just left everyone else alone and minded our own business.
Bring all the troops home, protect our borders and if you fuck with us we’ll turn your shithole of a country into a parking lot made of glass – just a guess but I don’t think anyone would bother us (well maybe just the first time).
That's what Ron Paul said to, and you know he is crazy...... Riiiiiiight?
This all seems like one big destraction, now doesn,t it. Watch the other hand fella's.
When the dollar finally dies.........the troops will come home.........I just hope we are smart enough to hang the bankers by their balls when that happens
for those who have yet to see this video............''All wars are Bankster wars''..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5hfEBupAeo4
DCG, Please take over Dick Cheney's body. Or throw out the demon that's inside him now. ;-)
He is the demon that's inside of him.
"I wonder what would happen if we just left everyone else alone and minded our own business."
There isn't any money to be made in that strategy.
There are three kinds of animals in pasture. Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs. The US doesn't always do things exactly right but we are a sheepdog. If we decided not to do anything you end up with Tojo, Hitler and Mussolini. In todays age we could go pacifist and eventually we would get nuked.
We make mistakes and we have some bad people in govt sometimes but I rather be on our side than theirs
Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs - good analogy, I like it!
……you end up with Tojo, Hitler and Mussolini. – So what, who cares.
There is now already someone in place like Tojo, Hitler, and Mussolini. You could add to that list Mao, Pol Put, Lenin, Stalin, and many others. But think for a moment the location of NK. It borders with Russia and China. There leader is young and weak. Just make them start a war, blow them up, then set SK to unite and have Korea as an ally of the US. Ring around China.
Or Bush or Bush or Obama or Cheney or Piglosi. We could go on and on.
just three animals? maybe a bit too simplistic, Dan...
Brad's stories are more amusing.
rotocapsule
What about our buddies like: Osama, Saddam, Obama, Manual, The Shah of Iran, Mubarak and a host of others that are "good" guys and we need to give them a lot of money?
Damn right.
We taught the Germans a lesson in 1918 and they've hardly bothered us since then.
So sleep well, my darling, the sandman can linger,
We know our buddies won't give us the finger.
Unemployment would go up by about 4 million.
Bringing them home doesn't mean taking them off the payroll. It just means their money would get spent here, not overseas.
If they bring them home they'll be used on us.
"I wonder what would happen if we just left everyone else alone and minded our own business. "
You'd pay more for just about everything (can't get it at the barrel of a gun anymore and the rest of the world probably won't be as enlightened as you are about commandeering the remaining resources left in the ground once the US juggernaut is out of the picture).
"I wonder what would happen if we just closed the Suez canal and let China have Japan and South Korea..."
There's a lot to be said for scaling back the hegemonic empire the US has sprawled over all four corners, but don't try to boil it down to something as childish as "minded our own business". A great bumper sticker, but an idiotic political stance.
Good point and well said .........hmmm
Then we would be like China....
Going to bomb them back into the stone age...Oh wait
going to have to go back a lot further than that.
Make the rocks bounce.
Late Triassic, if you catch my drift.
The naval base here on Coronado has been awfully busy lately.Something's up. 4 carriers in port as well.
Time for an oil change perhaps?
Kiss the west pac widow one last time.
Right, don't these NK people know only one world crisis is allowed at a time?
sheesh.
Besides, we are trying to deal with gay marriage over here.
The Norks make the perfect rally-around-the-president conflict. No Arab jihad infidel shit going on that would damage oil prices or suck in israel. China holds the norks leash on the downlow. All good for the flailing Bamster.
Please do not forget that in the R- VS- D narrative that is constantly repeated by the MSM only "George" is a liar. Obama is a Noble Peace Prize winner so he is not capable of telling a lie.
Darn right. If President Obama has to turn North Korea into GLASS it will only be done in a peaceful, humain way with any collateral damage taken fully into account. Anyone who wishes to claim otherwise is a red-neck, kiddy killin', homophobic RACIST.
I know this because people, much smarter than me, told me to think like this.
it's all about shortage of corn.Poor harvest they have.
You see...hidden within the unconscious is an insatiable desire for conflict. So you're not fighting me...so much as you are the human condition. All I want is to own the bullets and the bandages. War, on an industrial scale, is inevitable. They'll do it themselves, within a few years. All I have to do...is wait.
-Professor Moriarty
"Is this going to interfere with Final Four coverage?"
better not. Go Blue!
Remember the Superbowl during the first Gulf War? Millions of people cheered their team with those big foam #1 fingers as well as red, white, and blue war boners.
What is "super bowl"?
Big ass bong.
Well, it can't be THAT much a "secret" if this Steve Douglass dude picked up on it....
They made it sure it wasn't secret so China and North Korea would pick it up... piss in their pants... and shut the fuck up.
I hardly think the Chinese are pissing their pants.
Nuclear = on its face it's a loss for both and the world in general.
Conventional = toss up .... possible slight advantage US ( tech vs manpower )
I would also comment that China ( while just as screwed up as everyone else just differently ) has the manufacturing base to actually wage a conventional world war.
I'm not talking about a strike group or quick attack strategem. I mean a protracted, long term, years of hardship, world war.
The US..... ummmmm. Not so much. At least not currently.
At first I was going to call you a blithering idiot. Please provide data for your assessment. Keep in mind no army will ever mass for attack again. US weapons systems are specifically designed for this scenario. And there will be no conventional war.
Feel free to call me a blithering idiot BG, it doesn't bug me in the least.
As far as data is concerned, statistical information from China in particular is, shall we say, suspect? This would make a raw data comparison impossible, but I believe it is a matter of simple extrapolation.
They make things. We buy things.
They build domestically. We outsource.
They have actual wealth. We have wealth created by a keystroke.
They have vast domestic resources that are immediately accessible. We have some domestic resources and a vast amount of, as of yet, untapped federal land.
- Don't misinterpret my original post though. I have no doubt, that in the event of an actual outbreak of world war, the means to wage it would be put into place. I simply point out that for the Chinese, it is simply a matter of retooling and retraining. For the US, it is a matter of resurrecting a virtual husk of industrial infrastructure.
- An army could certainly gather en masse. The question is whether or not a nuclear exchange occurs.
If it did, it's lights out for both parties regardless. If it didn't, then a conventional foray ensues.
Personally, I believe the most likely scenario would be another proxy war.