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30,000 Greek Households Lose Electricity Each Month

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Since the Greek government enacted the remarkable law that property taxes will be enforced via the electricity providers in the beleaguered country, an incredible 30,000 households per month have seen their power supply cut off. Ekathimerini reports that some 700,000 customers have now had their debts restructured (with payment plans) as part of the billing process; but what is perhaps incredible is that while the State has specifically banned 'disconnection' for not paying the property charges, the utility's computer system is unable to distinguish if payment is for electricity or property tax. There are apparently workarounds involving deposits for tax debts but the situation is set to deteriorate further this year due to the increase in electricity rates and expected further reductions in household incomes.

 

Via ekathimerini,

About 1,000 electricity connections are cut every day in Greece as Public Power Corporation customers are increasingly unable to pay their power bills on time, while accumulated debts to the country’s electricity giant stood at more than 1.3 billion euros at the end of 2012. This is not only due to the economic crisis that has eaten into household incomes, but also to the special property tax paid via power bills.

 

PPC data show that some 700,000 customers had had their debts rearranged with new payment plans by the end of last year, up from 400,000 at the end of 2011. The situation is set to deteriorate this year due to the increase in PPC rates and expected further reductions in household incomes.

 

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There is, however, a particular problem with the special property tax. While the Council of State has banned the disconnection of houses for not paying the property charge through the PPC bill, if customers do pay for their electricity, PPC’s software cannot distinguish between payment for the property tax and that for electricity. As a result, the corporation cannot tell whether consumers have paid toward their power bill or just a part of their property tax unless they have paid the full amount.

 

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PPC says that this problem can be overcome by the taxpayers visiting the tax offices, where they can apply to have their property levy paid separately to the tax authority, which involves the payment of a 50-euro deposit. Afterward, any payment delay will only concern the customer and the tax office, and not PPC.

 

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Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:12 | 3419932 prains
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that's simple use the switch that says cntrl P to turn them back on......oh wait

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:45 | 3420041 zorba THE GREEK
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at least we are headed into the warm seasons so they won't freeze.

The Amish don't have electricity and they don't seem to miss it.

Must be tough watching TV by candle light. Duh.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:52 | 3420065 CrazyCooter
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They should pay in bitcoin!

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:22 | 3420168 ShortTheUS
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Greece is Hell(enic) on Earth!

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:25 | 3420176 Stackers
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Wonder what they will do when everyone has John Bedini generators powering their homes ?

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 21:08 | 3420311 kliguy38
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Ya don't need much electricity for Ramen noodles

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:09 | 3420789 The Big Ching-aso
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This is shocking news.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:03 | 3421020 spdrdr
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The black background, multi-coloured fonts, flashing rotating things and random CAPITALISATION are a dead-set give-away that the blog author is truly insane.

Didn't read, sorry.

 

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 11:30 | 3422074 Stackers
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It is an awful website. The guy is not insane though.

Google and Youtube: John Bedini Generator. It does work. It's not "free energy". It's an expansion of Tesla's work on capturing "energy states" from the vacuum.

It does work. The system is powered by one battery and will "charge" a 2nd battery faster than it draws down the 1st battery for a net gain.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:49 | 3420251 ultimate warrior
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Greedy capitalists wanting electricity. Krugman said the sun produces plenty of light & heat for all. Just another example of people not being content with their fair share of resources.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:29 | 3420711 ChanceIs
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Oh do tell me.  Just how did Socrates, Euripides, Plato and 500 Spartans cope so well so long ago?  And they didn't even have global warming to take the edge off of things at night.

You want to know where it does get cold??? How about Iceland?  What did Iceland do?  They told their creditors (well actually it was their miscreant TBTF creditors) to shove it.  They didn't freeze.  (Well they do have all of that nice volcanic activity to keep warm and smelt aluminum.)

So what should the Greeks do???  I think they should "drop trou" and tell Fraus LaGarde and Merkel to suck on thie big, fat Greek wienerschnitzel.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:58 | 3420276 prains
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the irony of those that can print their way to wealth and those that can't is becoming comical

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 21:05 | 3420300 H E D G E H O G
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8

 

If I was a Greek, this is what I'd want for Christmas, or when the lights go out. (remember, Greek law ONLY allows it's peasants to own "SHOTGUNS".) well, the Ruskies have done it again!  here's AA-12............yippee kiiiiiiiiiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:55 | 3421056 css1971
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No, that's an American made fully automatic shotgun.

 

This is the Russian fully automatic shotgun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD0PKDGlwiw

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:00 | 3420476 RafterManFMJ
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But if they don't have electricity, how will they watch, and be sedated by, their propaganda? How will they imbibe their circuses? Idle minds are the Devil's plaything...careful here, PTB!

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:14 | 3420793 The Big Ching-aso
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I love the smell of spoiled Greek yogurt in the morning.   

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:13 | 3419942 Ignatius
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Revolution in 3...2...1....

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:35 | 3420010 JohnnyBriefcase
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Gets funnier every time!

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:44 | 3420242 El Oregonian
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Hmm, that's a lightbulb momen.. oh wait, never mind...

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:16 | 3419945 cherry picker
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To the Greeks, French, Cypriots, Italians, Irish and more.  Is belonging to the Euro and its masters worth it?

IMF's boss praised Japan for printing coin but they won't let you do it.

In the USA they print coin all the time and people still have electricity.

I hate to tell you, but I think you had reconsider your options.  Bankruptcy is not such a bad thing.  People will buy your stuff if they see change and have confidence.

Try walking on your own like free men.  You may like it.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:27 | 3419986 MilleniumJane
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Problem is, TPTB are rearranging the bankruptcy laws in the good ol' US to benefit themselves.  They are out to grab every penny they can, screw your family into going hungry, no electricity, no nothin'.  I know people who should declare bankruptcy, but are unable to afford even the filing fees.  They know that the bankruptcy law will force them into more of a "restructure" contract rather than wiping debts clean, so they continue to field calls from the collections agencies rather than go through with it.  It's walking on the edge of a knife to pay just enough to satisfy the collection agencies to avoid debtors' prison, trying to keep the lights and heat on so the kids don't get CPS'ed, and going to the food bank to fill the gap for lack of grocery money.  The scary part is that these people have jobs.

I realize that these people have made bad decisions, but forced into being a debt slave for mindless corporations who have reaped bailouts from all of us is not the solution.  These are not bad people.  They were conned into buying stupid shit to live at what they thought should have been a middle class lifestyle.  The last I heard, stupidity is not a crime.

I don't know what the answers are.  All I know is that these people are waking up, so hold on tight!

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:47 | 3420050 zorba THE GREEK
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Time for the Greeks to follow in the footsteps of Iceland.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:17 | 3419947 agent default
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The European Union. Bask at its glory.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:22 | 3419962 q99x2
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I wondered why they weren't taking my advice from the ZH posts I make.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:23 | 3419972 cherry picker
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Funny, isn't it?  After a natural disaster one of the first priorities is to get electricity back up.  Refrigeration, elevators, gas pumps, POS systems, heating all depend on electrons floating over copper or aluminum wire.

But when there is money involved, none of the above is important anymore is it?

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:35 | 3420013 Poor Grogman
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Cyber currency lives or dies with the grid, just like electricity, but the currency depends on the electricity, which in turn depends on the real world, outside the grid.

Interesting...

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:40 | 3420025 cherry picker
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So much for bitcoin in Greece if you don't pay your property taxes in Euros, provided along with great burdens by the unelected masters in Belgium.

What a sad state of affairs.

 

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:51 | 3420055 Poor Grogman
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How many versions of ".gov" are the Greeks up to now?

They must be right up there with the Chinese.

How many versions do we all have to go through before we just scrap the whole idea...

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:23 | 3419973 YHC-FTSE
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Seems every time I come here I have a "WTF!" moment, followed by, "You can't make that up" incredulity and shaking of the head. We seem to have a lot of these daily lately. Something's brewing up and I'm a bit scared.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:31 | 3419997 cherry picker
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I've been around over six decades.  I've never bought into this NWO or the way .gov is working.

I have friends who played the game all their lives, some older than myself.  For the first time some of them are agreeing with me.

They are scared too.

I'm not.  It is only change we are facing.  It may be ugly, but a better day will eventually come.  That is how we learn, as individuals or societies.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:53 | 3420067 SgtSchultz
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So many puzzle pieces coming together make it difficult to accept that some big unknown isn't looming.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 19:26 | 3419984 flacorps
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The people's workarounds will be awesome to watch. Long extension cords, outright theft, maybe a little solar and wind on an improvised basis. Then they have to try cutting off water & sewer.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:10 | 3420124 disabledvet
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i think it will be fascinating to watch actually. "society can't fail" especially when the means to pay for it all has. this reminds of Hollywood going after people who copy their movies. "targeting your customers" can become a dangerous game because you end up losing those customers for good. "goodbye utility." cutting off water and sewer? those are easy workarounds in Greece. "what the system can't abide is a sign that says 10 cents. for everything." that's when the problem arises. then suddenly someone wants to make that dime "out of real silver" and all sorts of bad mojo starts going down. but in a zero bound world...why pay for anything?

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:13 | 3420134 eddiebe
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Maybe the old saying: Watch out for Greeks bearing gifts applies still.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:23 | 3420164 Jendrzejczyk
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Hmmmm.

Turning the power back on is easy, Turning it back on without being caught (for a while anyway) is slightly more difficult but not impossible.

Business opportunities abound in the new world order.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 20:33 | 3420208 Peter Pan
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More bureaucracy. It would have been easier to say that any payments received will first be applied to the payment of electricity and anything more will be applied to the payment of taxes.

 

 

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 03:34 | 3420990 Debugas
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the purpose of the government was the reverse order: any payments received will first be applied to the payment of taxes and anything more will be applied to the payment of electricity.

Apparently that does not go well with the power supply companies and they sabotage the payments system

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 21:38 | 3420396 Downtoolong
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Whatever you do, don't pay more than your power bill and property tax. The system will probably send 30,000 volts through your house and blow up your toaster.

 

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:05 | 3420482 RafterManFMJ
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On third thought this is revenue and economically positive. Now the Greeks can sell all appliances, strip the copper and sell that, and become occupied by hand-washing clothes, carrying water on their heads from miles away, and dying of the Bloody Flux.  This really is genius!

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:43 | 3420594 22winmag
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People have been freezing to death in *America* for decades when they become unable to pay their fuel bills... nothing new here.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:53 | 3420619 lolmao500
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That's a recovery!

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:53 | 3420620 pine_marten
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I sold some guns, mags and ammo.  So I got plenty O jack in the jeans.  I'd like to go greasy slummin there......

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:39 | 3420725 Parisnights
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A small solar panel, an inverter, and a  battery takes the edge off of black/brown outs.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 03:40 | 3420995 Debugas
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much easier solution - take an axe and go to the nearest forest.

 

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:01 | 3421018 The Abstraction...
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What are the forests like in Greece?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:34 | 3421043 css1971
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That might have worked 2000 years ago when they had huge forrests.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:01 | 3420772 thewayitis
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  Have to buy candles while their CHEAP .....

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:15 | 3420794 Golden_Rule
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Sounds like you have it under control, Greeks.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 02:52 | 3420960 The Heart
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Mon, 04/08/2013 - 03:29 | 3420987 Debugas
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it is sad but one has to conclude that fascism has come to Greece

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:44 | 3421015 The Abstraction...
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That is not fascism in the Mussolini sense, which did at least embody some degree of national interest. 

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:06 | 3421098 Debugas
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According to Mussolini himself fascism is a merger of corporate and state powers and this is exactly what we see in greece (troika and greece government cooperate to destroy the life of ordinary citizens)

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benitomuss388775.html
Mon, 04/08/2013 - 05:10 | 3421064 css1971
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The problem with losing electricity... They also lose the propaganda.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 05:47 | 3421080 Joe A
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For this reason forest are being pillaged in Greece because people need to cook and heat, right?

Greece has an enormous potential for solar, wind and tidal wave energy. Handy people in Greece need to make their own wind and tidal wave energy installations and get off the grid.

From the same site:  Germany owes Greece 162 billion Euro in WWII repatations

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:22 | 3421107 egoist
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Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:49 | 3421123 EclecticParrot
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Big deal.  350,000 American households lose hope each month.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:02 | 3421142 dunce
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No one has a job so no one pays income taxes. Property tax is a wealth tax and tying it to electricity is the leverage to get some revenue to run the govt.. Next the govt. will take title to the land for nonpayment of taxes. This will fix everything. Politicians willlead the way, if only they knew where they were going.

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