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The 8 United States Of A New Monetary America

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Do we need 50 states? With the corporatocracy increasingly looking to cut costs, wouldn't it make more sense to right-size the number of 'regional' centers of democracy? With an increasingly Federally dominated US, perhaps 50 disparate decision-makers is too many. It turns out, that based on some wonderfully complex math (spatially embedded multi-scale interaction networks) and data from wheresgeorge.com, the United States Of America is more 'optimal' from a monetary and mobility-sense if it were managed around these 8 regions. Theoretical physicist Dirk Brockmann says the borders of the United States are out of date, and as Fast Company notes, "no longer correlate with our behavior." By combining network theory with the travels of our dollar bills, the 'real' effective boundaries in a new USA are far simpler, reflecting where money 'stays' as opposed to more arbitrary state boundaries.

 

Tracking the dollars and network theory does the rest...

 

Where's George? Anywhere, but mostly within the confines of the "blue borders"

Finally, George-to-George tracking can be seen best in his chart of "multi-scale human mobility" showing the short and long-range connectivity patterns when it comes to the physical distance travelled by actual US Federal Reserve notes, which according to Brockmann represents "proxy for human mobility."

and the full paper behind the creation of the new 8 super-states

 

 

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Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:22 | 3420540 CuriousPasserby
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We still need 50 states, maybe more if places like California can split into left-wing and right-wing areas. But we need to split into a few countries to separate the good and the bad into their own countries.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:24 | 3420542 monad
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Wtf does theoretical physics have to do with stupid political schemes to enrich a few greedy halfwits and their bandwagons of klingons?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 01:52 | 3420904 TheMerryPrankster
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Obviously, where's bejing, london and Saudia Arabia ? We need to redraw the entire globe  50 states is just jerkin off.

Master plan for world dominiation? Who commissioned this crappy study? I don't even see Kanada on this here map..

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:32 | 3421113 IamtheREALmario
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It would automatically be rejected if a banker said: "this is how we are taking over the US". However, when some trained monkey academician who has been given money by the bankers to publish the paper then to the ignorant it looks to be independent and have credibility.

It is amazing how much is told to us ahead of times by the Russians. They told us that Obama would be our president  before anyone knew who he was. They told us about the regionalization of the US years before this paper was published.

It is all a coordinated farce in the MMRPG we call our universe.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:27 | 3420555 stant
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i see dead people. be ruthless. they will

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:31 | 3420559 buzzardsluck
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Texas gets fucked in this map.  LA, MS, KS, and AR?  I get obtaining the mouth of the miss. river and good skiing but the rest?  Damn Davis mountains for not being higher.

 

Forgot OK, blocking bad memories I guess.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:52 | 3420560 steelrules
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Almost mirrors the FEMA regions.

 

Edit to add: don't they already have the Council of Governors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Governors

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:16 | 3420681 Cthonic
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Or split the 12th and merge a couple of the other Federal Reserve Districts.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/gifjpg/usmap3.gif

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:41 | 3421047 digalert
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Or merge senate and reps into one "Supercommittee"!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress_Joint_Select_Commit...

Wherein the top criminal slithering snakes (Boehner, Pelosi, McConnel, Reid) choose their own favorite six, to better represent all 50 states.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:34 | 3421114 IamtheREALmario
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Adminstrators under one dick-head-tator.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 05:27 | 3420568 CunnyFunt
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U

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:39 | 3420583 Cashcollateral
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Because even more centralisation is exactly what this country needs.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:39 | 3420585 Cashcollateral
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Because even more centralisation is exactly what this country needs.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:41 | 3420587 22winmag
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Very funny. We need more states, not less. Centralization kills. Slice NYC out of NY and NY survives. Slice LA and some other shitholes out of California and California survives. Remove the tumors before the patients die.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:44 | 3420592 Seasmoke
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Much easier to split every state in half. Republicrats on one side and Anarcho-capitalists on the other X 50. Everyone gets one free chance to pick and start over.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:47 | 3420597 Cabreado
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When the excitement and discusion is over a breaking-up America, having skipped by the Criminal part...

well then, we've earned our way.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:51 | 3420609 mc225
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take the 'nw' and 'sw' regions shown here, and make 1 region of everything west of the peaks of the sierra-cascade range: 'pacificoastalia'. then combine the rest of it - everything east of the sierra-cascade peaks - into another region; 'mormania'.

realistically, the people west of those mountain ranges - the 'west coasties' - don't really mix with the people immediately on the other side of those ranges.

of course, you'd also have to work out things like columbia river rights.

 

 

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 22:55 | 3420617 Debt Slave
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50 states? I guess no one has noticed that they have become mere provinces of Washington D.C. since the 17th amendment. The word "state" imples sovereignty. If regions like Arizona and Alabama were sovereign, their decisions to restrict the crimigrant invasion could not be blocked by D.C..

States? Don't make me laugh. Time to stop pretending.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:06 | 3420784 aerojet
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Well, that, plus the stupid liberal mindset has invaded everywhere and infected everything that used to be reliable but is now over-leveraged, under-funded, and over-manned (if governmental and unproductive) and under-manned (if private and productive).

 

 

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:42 | 3421119 IamtheREALmario
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... and the only real power the Federal government has is to borrow and distribute inifinite amounts of fiat. If that power was suddenly removed, there would be both immediate chaos and freedom. We have traveled so far down the road to enslavement under a pissant puppet dictator that it is hard to see the path back to some reasonable degree of freedom and prosperity.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:14 | 3420677 archon
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This is more complicated than it needs to be.  Just let the red states secede, and that will be good enough.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:45 | 3421124 IamtheREALmario
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Just give every single person the choice to decide if they want to be chattle of the US corporate government, or not. If not, the the US government henceforth has no power over them and must leave them alone. The people who benefit from the government, such as its employees and food stamp recipients will remain the property of the US and everyone that produces something will leave.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:17 | 3420689 Fred Hayek
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Does this mean there would only be 16 senators? There are some obvious pros and cons to that.

But, more seriously, it's a laughable fiction to think that those 8 states or even the states as drawn now are homogeneous. I live in central Massachusetts. We're not the same as the abject festival of fraud to the east of us. I suspect that's how it is in most every state. The most urban areas are quite different from the rural and less dense suburban areas. Are the inland areas of California anything like LA or San Francisco? Is Michigan's upper peninsula anything like Detroit? Etc etc

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:28 | 3420708 bluskyes
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I've got a better idea. Why not turn DC into a huge crater / fresh water lake. Leave all other boundaries as they are.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:48 | 3421126 IamtheREALmario
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Isn't that their plan and why they are moving the critical infrastructure required to make an oppressive government regime to New Mexico, Colorado and Utah.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:34 | 3420719 TheFulishBastid
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And once a year, we will have Hunger Games!

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:37 | 3420723 One World Mafia
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I like the 0 states of America where all 50 states secede from the Federal Reserve / UN / federal government.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:42 | 3420735 orez65
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This article is pure and unadultarated BULLSHIT!

Tracking counterfeited Federal Reserve notes is bullshit.

That's really brilliant, cut the number of states to eight and have the government further from the people.

It is actually incredible that, allegedly, educated individuals can waste anyone's time with this bullshit while "Rome" burns.

What you need to do is work on transforming this corrupt country populated, mostly, by imbeciles into the Republic which the Founding Fathers intended. 

Let me give you a clue: What is needed is to read and follow the US Constitution.

These guys should be hung from their balls in a public park.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 05:26 | 3421082 Metal Minded
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Yes, lets redesign our slavery, give it a new look, but not really change anything. Most important of all, make sure the new plan does nothing to disturb the Monopoly the Ownership has over every aspect of our lives. Join me in America's new national anthem. The Star Spangled Banner will be replaced with that great Beach Boys hit of 1963. Sing it with me:

Everybody's gone serfin'
Serfin' U.S.A.

Everybody's gone serfin'
Serfin' U.S.A.

Yeah, everybody's gone serfin'
Serfin' U.S.A.

Sun, 04/07/2013 - 23:54 | 3420765 aerojet
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I would only go in favor of this plan if the upper midwest region could be taken over by the Lakota and secede completely from the United States.  Otherwise, fucking forget it!  We might better join Canada and drink milk out of bags.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:10 | 3420790 natew
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On behalf of the Purple territory (upper midwest), I give the city of Chicago to the Yellow territory.   We don't need the basket case city.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 01:42 | 3420894 TheMerryPrankster
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Purple Reign?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:08 | 3421204 Disenchanted
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Speaking as a mellow yellower you can fuck right off with Chicago...we've already got Detroit.

We have a one total shithole limit :)

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:17 | 3420796 Smiley
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These are dangerous times we live in; many powers and motives are in flux.  Trust no one with your safety or your future.  

 

Individuals prosper; herds of sheep drink Kool-Aid

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 01:39 | 3420889 TheMerryPrankster
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Sheep are sensitive, kool aid kills them. But first it makes them obese and hyperglycemic.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:37 | 3420825 Antifaschistische
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I see they've further diluted the Texas voting block.  No one in Texas would want to partner with New Mexico.  Well, except people with family there...and in Old Mexico.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 00:55 | 3420844 Curt W
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If Arizona becomes part of Californication, I will move.

I would rather be part of Washidatah

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 01:14 | 3420863 Brixton Guns
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Ive seen a FEMA region map that doesnt look too dissimilar to this one...

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:05 | 3421097 bunnyswanson
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http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/29/russian-professor-predicts-breakup-of-us-in-2010/

Russian Professor/former KGB predicts break up of USA (link above).

Based his analysis on information from this entity:  FAPSI

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/index.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/russia/fapsi/ops.htm

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 02:12 | 3420924 piliage
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Oh sure, west Texans would love being part of California...

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 02:26 | 3420938 IridiumRebel
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I'm seceding from Connecticut in 2 months.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 02:41 | 3420952 pfairley
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Bigger Banks was bad idea, so now Bulwinkle will try bigger States?  Better to send the new democrats back where they came from in States like Vermont...and if any merger maybe Vermont & NH...not with Massachusetts....Maine is also lost in Nancy Pelosi dreams and democratic immigrants?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 02:57 | 3420963 hooligan2009
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there are 12 regional federal reserve banks...so maybe there is some bias in the methodology..but i think this does (more or less) represent the (internal) trading blocs that exist within the US..

i don't have a problem with representing trade flows in this way

be good to see it done foe europe and asia too..though i doubt there is sufficient data.

armed with this data and drilling down to products behind trade flows..i think business can make heaps of money figuring out what they are good at in the internal blocs and why they don't have more sales in other trading blocs (logistics and infrastructure?).

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 03:35 | 3420993 AnAnonymous
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Blob, blobbing, blobbing up.

The 'american' thing.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:24 | 3421038 bunnyswanson
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"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government."

Harpers, July 1958

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:36 | 3421045 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Blob, blobbing, blobbing up.

The 'american' thing.

Makes me laugh everytime I read stuff like that.

Hypocricy is what it is but somehow, for Chinese citizenism citizens, a new word should be invented because they usually go beyond hypocricy.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 04:29 | 3421041 css1971
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The New World Order requires kingdoms, not states.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 05:59 | 3421094 Lebensphilosoph
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What? A kingdom is merely a region ruled by a king. That tells you absolutely nothing of life within the kingdom or of the liberty enjoyed by the king's subjects. The existence of a state, on the other hand, in an of itself implies the existence of tyranny. The powers thta be most cerntainly want STATES.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:05 | 3421144 bunnyswanson
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You may be thinking of "redistricting." 

Wu Zetian was empress of China from October 690 to February 705. She is the only woman in Chinese history to rule in her own right. She was a ruthless, cruel, sadistic and sexually depraved murderess who drove her people into chaos. She ordered tortures, executions and forced suicides on a daily basis. She had all of her rivals exiled or executed including the ex empress Wang. She also had members of her family executed including her niece, nephews and killed her newly born daughter. Other family members were exiled including her sons, in which one was eventually ordered to commit suicide. Wu had thousands of her people poisoned, strangled, mutilated, burned and boiled alive. Others had their noses, ears, feet and legs cut off. She died in December 705 at age 81.

Qin Shi Huang was the first emperor of China from 221 BC to 210 BC. He was paranoid, brutal, cruel and sadistic. He improvised and massacred his people. In his first year in power, over 120,000 families were forced to relocate from their homes. He burned almost all books and writings in China and had hundreds of scholars beheaded and buried alive. He improvised his people, farmers in particular, by raising taxes. At one point, a million men were put to work as forced labor to build 4,700 miles of roads. He created walls and other architects that paved the way for the Great Wall of China, but hundreds of thousands were worked, starved to death and murdered. Qin was obsessed of trying to become immortal, when scientists and scholars failed to find a way, he had 480 of them buried alive. Even in death, he was afraid that he would be attacked. He ordered a 3 mile wide mausoleum to be built that required 700,000 people, most of them were killed in the process. It is possible that he killed over 1 million people. Qin died in September 210 BC.

Tamerlane (a.k.a. Timur) was a fourteenth-century conqueror of Western, Central and South Asia and the founder of the Timurid Empire and Timurid dynasty. He believed that he was descended from Genghis Khan. He was a cruel, ruthless, heartless and bloodthirsty conqueror who brought terror and destruction to millions. At some places thousands were forced to jump from very high heights. 200,000 surrendered solders and civilians were killed in India. There were decapitations of 20,000 citizens in Aleppo, 70,000 in Ifshan, the beheading of 70,000 in Tikrit and 90,000 in Baghdad. On some occasions, he ordered thousands of people to die of slow suffocation. Huge towers made from his enemies’ skulls were built for him to look at with satisfaction. People were often decapitated, burned, stabbed, dismembered and buried alive. He killed 15 to 20 million people. Tamerlane died on February 1405 from natural causes.

http://listverse.com/2012/05/30/top-10-evil-people-from-ancient-times/

Top Ten Evil Rulers in all recorded time.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:55 | 3421189 spanish inquisition
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Now I know what list the last few presidents are using as they seek their place in history.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 10:25 | 3421764 Nimby
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How can you be beheaded and then buried alive?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 05:53 | 3421092 Lebensphilosoph
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.

By combining network theory with the travels of our dollar bills, the 'real' effective boundaries in a new USA are far simpler, reflecting where money 'stays' as opposed to more arbitrary state boundaries.

 

This entire thesis is based on the assumption that such boundaries are, or ought to be, determined by an economic factor. Sancta simplicitas. The audacity of theorising scientists in the face of reality never ceases to amaze. Life is not economics.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 02:50 | 3425266 MeelionDollerBogus
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Life is economics. From the most humble virus to the most gigantic city system of sewage, clean water irrigation / transport and of course people stacking into skyscrapers and subways, it's all organic flow of efficiency seeking reduction of cost to continue to the next day. That is economics.

Evolution itself is economics.

It's all economics.

These boundaries formed by least-cost, least-danger, least-error may fluctuate in position over time but they will continue to exist. Fighting against them has dire cost & that cost always presents itself as poverty, poor choices in investment & generally more difficult living conditions for the stubborn.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:12 | 3421102 Oldrepublic
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a few years ago a  book called the Nine Nations of North America was written, very interesting map. I think wikipedia has information on this book

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:36 | 3421112 bunnyswanson
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The War:
In 1775 Major General Gage (a veteran of Braddock’s campaign) was the Commander-in-Chief in Boston. He had 11 battalions of foot in Boston, 1 in New York and 6 others spread through North America; 7,000 men in all.

Gage knew that war was coming. Magistrates loyal to the British Crown were displaced in many parts of New England. In February 1775, a Provincial Congress met in Cambridge and took over the government of Massachusetts, other than Boston itself. The colonial militia was arming and drilling.

Gage called for substantial re-enforcements from Britain.

The British army of the time was not an efficient institution. Since the French and Indian War, Parliament had reduced the number of regiments. Recruiting was always a problem, particularly for the regiments in America. There was no formal military education for officers and efficiency varied widely between regiments.

In peace time there was little training and in a garrison like Boston, where the surrounding countryside was hostile, the opportunities for field days, even if the officers had been inclined to conduct them, were limited.

In August 1776 Howe began his inexorable advance against the Americans, fighting the battles of Long Island, Harlem Heights, White Plains and capturing Fort Washington and Fort Lee. General Washington fell back from position to position until by the end of the year he lay to the West of the Delaware River. The Americans were at a low ebb, the confidence of the troops severely shaken.

There was however an underlying dynamic to the war. Each British victory could only, at best, put off the inevitable. A single American triumph and sometimes even a failure reversed the impact of a string of British successes.

For the British establishment and people the American Revolutionary War was a humiliating disgrace to be forgotten as quickly as possible. The soldiers who fought hard for 6 years to maintain the British Crown returned home to find themselves ignored. Victories such as Long Island and Brandywine do not appear as battle honours on any regimental colours.

http://www.britishbattles.com/american-revolution.htm

It's worth remembering what led to the formation of this country.  There was a lot given up to give us what we have, had...freedom to be who we are and where we want to go, without explanation, after much hard work.

Do you think that another America is possible?  A country that has fair elections?  Equal opportunity?  Amnesty?  A safety net from complete destitution?  Where you have half a chance of making your dreams come true?

War never ended.  Grudges are held.  Regardless of the fact no one takes about it.  It's embedded in their goddam neuropathways...what was once and what could have been if only. 

America won the lottery when this war was won.  Americans lived a life of comparable comfort and the opportunities were a reason for envy and even disdain.

I am sorry.  But I think you have it wrong.  Globalization is a noble cause but without an election, without fair competition, without a fair and just society, what do you expect a life of the common family will be? 

This is not a world a sane man would want to live in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij3sgRG5sPY

The London Olympics in its entirety. 

edited link

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:01 | 3421140 IamtheREALmario
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This is not a world a sane man would want to live in.

And so we define the age of chaos. When good and sane men withdraw and allow themselves to pass on, what is left?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:40 | 3421120 GoatHollow
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Redefining the borders of a country based on Airline travel, and "Where the money is" makes a whole lot of sense.....

In light of the fact that the Currency, and therefore travel will soon be non-existent!!!

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:41 | 3421121 EclecticParrot
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Any plan to to drag Ohio into an alliance with WVA and Kentucky is an obvious combined East and West coastal plot to combat our superior work ethic by poisoning the gene pool :)

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 06:50 | 3421128 MickV
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"Democracy" ??? The US is (or was) not a Democracy, it is (or was) a Republic--- based on the rule of a written law. US Citizens do not even have the right to vote, unless given by the states. The founders knew that stupid people would vote, resulting in the Venezuelas of the world, and now the United States' of the world.

That we are (were) a Democracy is the propaganda pushed by the Communalists in the education system and media.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 09:33 | 3421531 therearetoomany...
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Has anyone noticed the four new forever flag stamps?   Without much fan fare..

Freedom, Liberty, Justice....and Equality.   We never were promised equality...that is from the french revolution.   A perfect example to the deniers, that the US as we knew it, is long gone.  

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 02:45 | 3425264 MeelionDollerBogus
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Rome was a Constitutional Republic too - see how that ended?

Pretty fucking scary, bread & circuses, and by bread I mean whatever edible filth was thrown at the unwashed masses, and by circuses, I mean filthy orgies the likes of which would make most of us wince & executions and gladiator fights to the death.

That's what America can greet in its future if it doesn't smarten up and drop this "constitutional republic" nonsense. No reason to ditch a constitution that was good to have a democracy. What reason does exist shows that a republic becomes a nation or empire of corrupt laws that can't ever be changed. Rome's needed to be changed & they did - when Rome burned.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:12 | 3421154 Lumberjack
Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:25 | 3421165 Ghordius
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Russian like stories of a disintegration of the US at least as much as Britons like stories of a disintegration of the EU and the eurozone

"Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control"

"Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union.""

"California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia."

meanwhile the article is an interesting counterquestion to the criticism of the european monetary union that goes like this: "dear economist, if you say that europeans would be better off with their own smaller currencies, why would Americans not be better off with 8 separate currencies?"

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:35 | 3421173 negative rates
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And don't forget, the South will rise again.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:56 | 3421188 i-dog
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"dear economist, if you say that europeans would be better off with their own smaller currencies, why would Americans not be better off with 8 separate currencies?"

First time I've ever agreed with you, Gorgeous. It never ceases to amaze me how many posters call for Ireland, Greece, Cyprus, and others to leave the EU/EZ, yet they would never countenance actively pushing their own state to disengage from the USSD or to secede from the USSA.

[This part you won't agree with:] Communities on both sides of the pond would be far better off not being tied to the dictates and lootings of their respective central planners located hundreds, or even thousands, of miles away.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:12 | 3421213 Ghordius
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i-dog, then perhaps we agree more than you think, then imho the eurozone and the EU are mainly necessary because of a size issue compared to the US and China (and partly for the Russian/Arab "oil question")

should those giants disintegrate, I could be the first to reverse and ask for devolution

meanwhile, I prefer to be tied to Draghi and his merry band more than being tied to Bernanke and his merry band - particularly because the megabank rot is stronger in NY, but also because I fear that small currencies will have a very hard time, soonish

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:41 | 3421317 i-dog
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I presume you are referring to small currencies like gold, SWF, NOK, RUB, TRY, AUD, and many others, that are in general resource-based (as opposed to hot-air based). I doubt they will have a [relatively] very hard time soonish (other than the general hard time that will ensue globally after the collapse of the whole western debt-based, money-printing system).

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 07:48 | 3421181 Downtoolong
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Cool, but soo 2010. Once the Central Bank of the World is established with its own currency and Goldman Sachs at the helm, the only border that will matter is the ozone layer.  

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:13 | 3421223 Steve in Greensboro
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This piece is what journalists call a "thumb-sucker".

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:17 | 3421233 ZeroPoint
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Impose Massachusetts government on New Hampshire? No thank you.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:27 | 3421266 Fezter
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Maybe we could get New England (except New Hampshire) New York, and the whole West Coast to join Canada....They can have Detriot and Chicago too.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:38 | 3421308 Pumpkin
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There can be no states within existing states, though the federal government has completely ignored the states as seperate jurisdictions, the constitution forbids it.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 08:51 | 3421357 bunnyswanson
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"In Federalist 39 Madison said, "Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution."

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 09:05 | 3421408 proLiberty
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F.A. Hayek's Nobel Lecture was the Pretence of Knowledge.[1]  He showed that centralized decisionmaking is less efficient than allowing people with unique expertise of local conditions to decide how to allocate finite resources.

It must be kept in mind that a model is not real. It is an attempt to anticipate the future based on assumptions both realized and hidden. While a video of how the US would self-organize into fewer states is interesting, if I wanted to live in Illinois or Kalifornia or New York, or Alabama, I would have move there long ago. Models such as the above cannot take personal priorities into account. For example, I can have a concealed carry permit in many states but not in Illinois. And we know that the thirst for power by people like we find in office in Chicago is so insatiable that any other states who are foolish enough to enter into a regional government pact with Chicago pols will soon be taken over by them.

I am not trying to pick on Illinois, just showing that the non-economic factors cannot necessarily be modeled by looking at the economic ones. There is a net migration out of East Coast and Kalifornia cities for many reasons, and I think that money is the least of them. I'll take net move data from UHaul over a theoretical computer model any day to tell me what a future US will look like. Moreover, we are edging and lurching closer to at least discussing a Constitutional Convention. We could substantially redefine the US in a few short years. Some states may decide they don't want to be part of US 2.0.

[1] Hayek Nobel Prize Lecture: The Pretence of Knowledge 

http://tinyurl.com/ybjtur2

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 09:26 | 3421501 therearetoomany...
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Cogent.  

Except that TPTB, in this case the media, educational elite and government would never allow seccession.

Just as Lincoln and the northeast elite prohibited it, so shall the current lot of powerful.  

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 18:14 | 3423963 Lednbrass
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Could be, but at bottom the question is how well the media, educational elite, and government fight. Who makes up the actual trigger pullers in the military? It ain't the EBT crowd or the urbane urbanites.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 02:41 | 3425262 MeelionDollerBogus
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However, there's a chance what is revealed here now will indicate how laws will form later, better or worse, in all those regions to accomodate the movement of capital (in this case dollars, perhaps something else, many other things, in the future, maybe near future). After all, if whiskey, tobacco, bullets & silver become preferred currency du jour, how would that change your preferred locale?

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 09:12 | 3421443 DanDaley
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"These carbon units are getting a bit too uppity for my liking." Bankers overheard at NWO conference.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 09:23 | 3421491 ian807
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If this is true, then I'd make a rather large bet that this is what the former USA looks like after the Koch's (et. al.) manage their little break-up of the union.

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 11:07 | 3421974 Korrath
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"The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line."

Mon, 04/08/2013 - 11:15 | 3422011 Aegelis
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The government has already split the nation into two halves, Red and Blue...oh, and a Yellow now and then for giggles.

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