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Broke And Broker: US Casino Spending Tumbling Back To Great Recession Levels

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Need yet another confirmation showing the US consumer has entered a phase of terminal retrenchment (in addition to all the other ones of course)? Below is a chart of Casino gaming spending in the past 15 years. What the chart shows is quite clear: at a drop of 4.3% Y/Y, far below the cyclical rises in 2011 and 2012, discretionary spending allocated for proceeds one can "afford to lose" is back to Great Recession levels, and sliding lower.

As Bloomberg Brief summarizes, Gary Loveman, CEO for Caesars Entertainment, said the company felt the impact of curtailed consumer discretionary spending in their most recent quarterly results. Loveman noted that his company’s strategy was implemented “against the backdrop of ongoing uncertainty in the macroeconomic picture in this country and consumer weakness in the U.S. economy that negatively affected discretionary consumer spending and ultimately our gaming results."

On the other hand, with most of the gambling these days taking place in your retail brokerage screen with bets on when the Fed's record high house of superglued cards finally comes tumbling down, perhaps consumers have merely changed their definition of gambling. It was once known as "investing."


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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:17 | 3425636 Ghordius
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I clicked because I thought it was an article about Wall Street... this is about honest gambling

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:19 | 3425647 HD
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Know when to hold 'em

Know when to fold 'em

Know when to walk away

Know when to RUN


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:25 | 3425671 Harlequin001
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and for everything else there's Bitcoin...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:55 | 3425823 francis_sawyer
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Calling Las Vegas Dave


Sheldon Adelson just texted & said if you don't get in there & spend all the money he pays you to clean his pools in his casinos, YOU'RE FIRED!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:35 | 3426674 Manthong
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Did he mean “casino” or “capex”?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:30 | 3425682 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Anyone noticing the dramatic uptick in available escorts and similar services? Me neither.


Things that do well in a depression: poker, pussy, and liquor. Not particularly in that order.



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:01 | 3425865 TheLooza
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When i go to vegas...which is fairly often, my mo is to sit down at the bj table and try and make a few Gs as fast as i can. Once i get there, i blow it all on girls, booze and drugz. Its not a recipe for long term happiness but when it goes as planned it is ridiculously fun...

What are we talking about again?

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 07:44 | 3460042 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Can I come??? Vegas Baby!!!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:35 | 3426348 Disenchanted
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Liquor in the front, poker in the rear...

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 15:49 | 3442447 Mr. Saxby
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Liquor in the front. Poker in the rear.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:43 | 3426068 Agstacker
Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:20 | 3425653 spastic_colon
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exactly....its not down if you count global stock markets

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:22 | 3425660 Croesus
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That's because the gamblers are all busy at the Bitcoin casino.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:24 | 3425663 Doña K
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At least your chances at the casino are 47.5 for you to 52.5 for the house. Which is reasonable once you can factor money management to bring the odds a little closer. And, so far, I have never heard a case where the rules of the game were changed while the dice were cast or the ball was still spinning

Place your bets with the Bernack and you would be burnt


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:46 | 3425762 disabledvet
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Plus they throw in the prime rib and all the fixins for 5 bucks. Good luck getting that deal in New York. (glad to see I haven't chased all the girls away too.)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:39 | 3426056 BobPaulson
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47.5 to 52.5 if you are not counting cards. With a simple +/- scheme at BJ you can do better, but it's a lot like work.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:00 | 3426169 Doña K
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Come to think of it, the 5% round trip about equals the brokers commission, thus the odds are even worse on Wall street.  

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:41 | 3425727 Shizzmoney
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At least when I bet on Louisville last night, I actually got PAID.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:17 | 3425641 TalkToLind
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All of your Tide Detergent advertising revenue is belong to us.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:20 | 3425651 Silverhog
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Comrade Deval Patrick wants to open casinos here in Taxachusetts. As usual, already below the profit curve.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:45 | 3425744 Shizzmoney
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And why shouldn't he?  Just so more money gets funneled to those corporate fascists who run the state of Connecticut (and the CT Indian tribes that rape their own people?).

More money for MA is less for Foxwoods - and fuck Foxwoods.  Although I do sense that Comrade Deval wants to overbuild casinos to fulfill Keynesian demand, which is NOT what we need.  Also, there will be HUGE roadblocks with the citizens of the towns, as everyone wants a casino - just NOt in their neghborhood.  The people of Foxboro already told Steve Wynn to go fuck himself in a vote (we here in MA actually take part in these processes, and just don't take it up the ass for the sake of building shit).

Just put a poker room and 30 BJ/Craps/Roulette tables at Suffolk, and have a resort casino out in Western MA.  No need for these multibillion dollar porjects (that's what the stock market wants, tho).


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:43 | 3426069 onewayticket2
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Massachuesetts blew it long ago...  not sure a casino is going to turn that sinkhole into a foundation for growth.



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:42 | 3426706 Shizzmoney
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It's short term growth - and that's all pols care about these days.

It's also -EV; Florida actually did gaming right.  They imposed betting limits, encourged "novelty" rooms (i.e. Poker rooms over slot parlors), and let the business grow slowly; rather than, "BUILD! BUILD! BUILD!".

Florida still has its problems, but its casino industry is one of the few it got right.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:30 | 3429815 kareninca
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Hmm.  I grew up in the 70s (graduated from HS in 1981) 4.15 miles from where Foxwoods now is.  I know people who used to bring leftover food from church dinners, to the Indians who lived in that part of the (literal) woods.

The economy was horrible.  I mean, horrible.  My first job (during high school) was at McDonald's, but I quit because they wouldn't give me more than 4 hours per week; they were saving the hours for people who had families to support. (They were quite right to do that; I was saving for a trip to Europe.)  My friends who didn't go to college ended up working in factories and getting permanent industrial chemical lung damage, and gouged fingers from odometer making machines.

Then the casinos came in; first Foxwoods.  My degree-less high school friends got jobs there.  The jobs paid well, compared with the factory jobs (yes, really).  And the casinos provided health insurance:  local businesses raged that the casinos were poaching workers who had the temerity to want health insurance.  The stupid casinos saved that generation.

The economy now s*cks, but my HS friends are still working there in Foxwoods, decades later.  The factories are long gone.  Given how HORRIBLE CT is at supporting businesses, nothing else has come in; what a surprise.

My parents are still there, have been all along, and they hate the casinos.  The traffic, the corruption, the stupidity of gambling, the fake "Indianness" of most of the Indians, the now-crappy health insurance, the tribal law.  However, they are retired educators.  If they weren't my parents, I would say f*** them (on that topic).  There were NO JOBS before the casinos.  It was HORRIBLE.  The casinos are disgusting, but utter poverty is worse; I've seen it.

Okay, go ahead and blast.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:58 | 3444810 smartstrike
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Great stuff! Thanks! Why individuals like you don't write blogs instead of people like 'fake' Tyler Durdens with an ax to grind against lower classes, eschewing facts for their masters.

Wed, 05/08/2013 - 19:21 | 3542934 Raynja
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@ smartstrike

shut the fuck up and go find a new site, altho i think you are the first person to ever claim that the tylers have it out for the lower class, most poeple would read the site and think they have it out for the bankers.



yes, the casinos do create stable, decent jobs, but what is the cost to society?

we could legalize coke, heroin, and meth,  everyone selling it would make money.

but that ignores all the people who cannot control themselves around casinos/drugs.


while i was in school in buffalo leading up to the last crash there were frequently stories about poeple killing themselves over gambling debts, stealing from their employers, and one guy who gambled away the rest of other poeples money and blew his brains out at the table.


are there actually more peopel benefitting from the jobs then there are destroying their and their families lives?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:22 | 3425654 swissaustrian
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The bank always wins

Rien ne vas plus


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:23 | 3425658 Dr. Engali
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Alpo is getting too expensive to eat so grandma and grandpa can't afford to hit the boats.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:51 | 3425661 Banksters
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I don't get gambling.  How fun is it to be destined to lose.   Shit, anytime someone comes up with a way to win eg, card counting, they get kicked out.   

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:02 | 3425860 Monkeyfister
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And yet you roll the dice, and spin the roulette whell at the Casinos on Wall Street.

Believe me-- the games there are rigged twice as hard against the player, than any place on the Strip.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:53 | 3426432 mammoth mo
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Let me help you out.

Hey sucker, I meant customer.  Step right up and try your luck.

Those other guys who just busted out were unlucky.  You, you smell of luck, you got more luck coming out of your ears than those other bums have in there whole body.  You sir are special.  Special people win all the time - they clean us out.  Why we are 5 seconds from going under right now on your first roll of the dice.


Odds - who pays attention to odds.  The odds favor you - Mr. Lucky.


Now what will it be.   Roulette, Craps, or Apple?  Oh, sorry you picked a Cyprus bank.  

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:33 | 3444750 smartstrike
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Yes that's the reason why gaming revenues are down but room and Food & Beverage revenues are way up.

The casino industry has been taken over by the same lot that took over corporate America: short-term option maximizing Wall Street types who think they're God's gift to business. There were some casinos in LV that wanted to use robots to deal poker? They use card shuffling machines, card dealers on speed and efficient-statistics odds makers added various thieving side bonus bets to classical games such black jack and pai gow poker in order to bankrupt players in less than an hour.

The game for dumb Americans is a programmable slot machine, that's no different than HFT on Wall Street.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:24 | 3425662 NoWayJose
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If only we had that extra 2% from the payroll tax...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:34 | 3425664 dobermangang
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Lotto scratch offs are selling very well.  It takes too much gas money to get to the casinos.

If you decide to gamble on scratch off tickets, at least check your state's web site to see what scratch off games still have large payout prizes remaining.  Don't gamble on a game where all or most of the big winning prize tickets have already been sold.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:39 | 3444767 smartstrike
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Yes, the wonderful state of Florida will sell you a scratch-off ticket with no prizes left to win.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:23 | 3425666 buzzsaw99
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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 14:39 | 3427666 mkhs
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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:23 | 3425668 kito
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I heard that Steve Wynn is buying the NYSE.......

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:36 | 3426046 Leopold B. Scotch
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Someone needs to clean that place up and make the rules apply to one and all.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:26 | 3425672 10PastMidnight
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They just need to invite Corzine and Bernanke for some quadruple down action. It would be the only honest gambling they ever did.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:28 | 3425675 fonzannoon
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THe rich are going to macau. Everyone else is poor.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3425702 Shizzmoney
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Correct - for poker players, that is where the REAL big games are, and where big limit players like Johnny Chan, Phil Ivey, and Tom Dwan have been playing. 

The "Big Game" used to be at the Aria or Bobby's Room, and those games don't go on as much as they used to.  They used to have mixed games as high as 2000/4000.  All of the whales are now in Macau (mostly for tax as well as privacy reasons).  Vegas action still does exist, but it is for your run-of-the-mill grinder (and for tournaments).  And these games are getting harder to beat since players are playing tighter (due to poker IQ amongst the player population rising due to its growin popularity, as well as the fact the economy is just so crappy - you have to crowbar cash out of players!).

Many poker pros go to Europe and China where they can play online as well, since it is banned here in the USSA.

I probably won't be going to Vegas the WSOP year; the payroll tax took $250 out of my roll to play this year, and I have been going through my own austerity to get out of debt by the end of the summer.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:11 | 3426213 Doña K
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You can open a bank account in Macau in 10 minutes. Tell them you want the account to transfer some gambling money from oversees and you get surf and turf with it.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:31 | 3425680 mayhem_korner
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Gambling is a voluntary tax.  When disposable income approaches zero, there is no more to give away.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3425705 buzzsaw99
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Disposable income is zero because income is zero. Many gamblers don't stop until they can't rustle up another dime.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:37 | 3425717 dobermangang
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Yup.  Now it's much easier for the government to just steal money from your bank account.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:38 | 3425721 Shizzmoney
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It is a tax on the stupid; however if you are smart enough to find edges (backgammon, sports betting, poker, blackjack card counting)......they are there.

I think the State funded lottery is the WORST thing for society.  I see tons of senior citizens taking their SS cash and just funnelling back into the State, without even knowing the odds of what their playing.  Big problem in the UK, too.

We need more "thinking" games, and less "push a button" gambling.  But the State desires the ladder - a dumb, mindless form of gambling - for the obvious reasons.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:55 | 3426455 mammoth mo
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Never give a sucker an even break says the 1%.  They put sugar in everything in the buffet.  They bus seniors in.  They put bright lights out.  They take their retirement and send them home.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:34 | 3425696 Jacque Itch
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Let's see... a spike for the tech bubble; a spike for the housing bubble; no spike for the super debt bubble.  That says all you need to know about this... um... "recovery".

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:34 | 3425701 scatterbrains
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Maybe BB should print up another 6 trill so folks will feel a bit more comfy cozy about things.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3425706 LawsofPhysics
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In newworldspeak "market"="casino".  doubleplusgood

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:40 | 3425735 Bearwagon
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Peace of cake. Looks like I am way ahead:

Been there, done that.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:52 | 3425797 Shizzmoney
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The only contention I have with this graph (which is great btw), is the fact it doesn't factor in NON gaming spending.

Durden's assessment seems to disregard growth in non-gaming visitor dollar - which according to those I know in the Vegas lifestyle scene, has been rising.  vegas, especially for those on the West Coast, is a cheaper alternative for a second honeymoon, bachelor parties, etc. 

I think the income situation has "rotated" those who would take some of this cash to gamble with, and instead drink/eat with it, for example.  People want more value for their dollar - which really is a moratorium on inflation, if anything else.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:57 | 3425829 disabledvet
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Big story..."the beat goes on." I know this isn't popular but I think POTUS...while slow on the "getting it." the slashing or Medicare that he has put forth is truly "an offer"(ing?) and shows he understands that the problem facing the recovery is in fact an inefficient use of Federal tax receipts and not an inability to tax and spend more. The equation seems simple enough: "more interest paid on debt means no money for the people you want to help." I find it odd that both sides can't agree publicly on this simple reality. Defense has been already been crushed. "next up entitlemtents." to say "there's more where that comes from" is an understatement. "right up to the point where all that's left is interest on the debt." Banks win...again.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:21 | 3425975 bunnyswanson
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1 hour - Why Obama Wants Your Guns (well done).

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:57 | 3425836 PanGlossius
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Wait until BigBen combines Dumb and Dumber, printing scratch off discs where the dollar signs go on your FR notes. 

In a game of chasing the margin to zero disposable income, a gambling index must rank high on the list of a craven central banker in his quest for your liquidity to swallow his liquid fiat.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 08:59 | 3425838 Monkeyfister
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Everyone knows those places on the Strip in Vegas, are for small fish chumps.

The REAL BIG MONEY Casino action is on Wall Street, and inthe City of London, and apparently, the Gaming is HUGELY successful there.


If Vegas, and the likes of Addelson, and Trump want the small fish to fill their floors, FIRST their ilk need to start creating JOBS again, so the masses aren't so huddled, and have some spare change to take downtown.

Nothing hard to comprehend there, seems to me that a bunch of Rich assholes are looking for another reason to whine and cry, again.

Fuck 'em.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:00 | 3425851 goldinpenguin
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Is there a chart for total state lottery revs? That would really show attitudes towards discretionary spending and impact of payroll tax.

The lottery is a cruel tax on those least able to afford it - but probably peanuts compared to what the poor & working class contribute to major banks directly and indirectly thru their taxes

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:10 | 3425925 Shizzmoney
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New York’s lottery revenue has soared in recent years and reached a record $9 billion last year.

Full year global lottery sales up by 7.7%; growth driven by Asia Pacific and the Americas.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:36 | 3426033 PanGlossius
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Great links! juiced state lottery is a marker for disposable income vs. opportunities, and a good read on the attitude of the social bulk. To the state it is low hanging berries. It is something to watch, and I would wager maybe one of the final pieces of social fracture that show as desparation. Bet that the crack-up of lottery participation coincides with the next break in the markets?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:37 | 3426694 Shizzmoney
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Bet that the crack-up of lottery participation coincides with the next break in the markets?

That would be a sharp's bet for sure! 

It will probably be one of the last corpses of disposable income. 

The whole point of the income crisis, employment, and inflation is that the majority of working people will only have enough to spend on food, gas, oil, and utilities (internet, water, etc).  Lottery sales are probably at their peak because people are just looking to get chances to fill the gaps, and to try to find ANY way to escape the daily corporate serfdom of their lives.  It's also cheaper than the casino; a poor man's "get rich quick" scheme.

I find it hilarious that the only way to FEEL AND BE "free" in this country, is to have cash (not as if it's our "god given right" in the Constitution, or anything!).

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:15 | 3425954 Sudden Debt
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The stockmarket saves you a planeticket to Las Vegas...

But I like to remind people there's more in Vegas than gambling...


people still gamble => Stock Market


that means....



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:22 | 3426279 Monkeyfister
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Yes-- there is more than just Casinos in Vegas. There's the crushing heat during the day, e.coli-infected buffets, and then the Cocaine and Hookers.

Where are the charts on the sales of Cocaine, Sunscreen, Stomach Pumpings, Condoms and STD treaments?

I honestly hope to see Wall Street and Vegas dead, empty ghost towns in my life time. The country and the World would be better served without them.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:39 | 3426368 Sudden Debt
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so... you went to Vegas... and all you got where pets living on your dick?

happens to the best of us...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:20 | 3425966 10mm
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Pennsylvania is doing well.Killed of Alantic City,grabbed the Pa crowd,Philly crowd,nearby jersey crowd across river.As we sink further,i expect that not to be the case.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:22 | 3425972 creeko
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Dr. Zaius told you not to enter the Forbidden Zone.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:38 | 3426044 PanGlossius
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What will he find there?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:25 | 3426303 creeko
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His destiny.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 14:47 | 3427702 mkhs
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Whereever you go, there you are.

                    Buckeroo Banzai


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:34 | 3426026 Iconoclast
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And the gambling otherwise known as FX has seen volumes down significantly, is the 2 wages packets from the gutter in the USA now only one wage packet? Has J6P no money at the end of each month despite ZIRP?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:41 | 3426066 TrustbutVerify
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Short term rationalism by the US population.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:45 | 3426085 orangegeek
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Casinos need dollar volume to survive.  The edge goes to the house, but by a few points. 


When the dollar volume disappears, casino profits tank.


Another casualty of the "Ben and Barry Plan" - $2-$3B per day for over four years.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:46 | 3426100 Mototard at Large
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Using crack cocaine and to explain the crisis in Cyprus, Europe and the USA.  A simple explanation of what is going wrong for non-economists

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:47 | 3426103 W74
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I'm so glad Marylanders have foot the bill for six new casinos over the past 4 years (one yet to open and another yet to be built) because they are EMPTY. 

Sure opening day they all drew crowds, but after the novelty wore off it was just another boring slots parlor.  You could still play those at the Legion Halls.  The General Assembly voted middle of last year to allow table games to draw crowds.  Why they didn't allow this to begin with I don't know, it just seems like an obvious job creator and keeps things busy at least I won't argue with that.  The tables opened last week  I think, so we'll see how it goes once these tables are open for awhile, haven't heard a peep on the size of crowds.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 09:54 | 3426136 d edwards
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Those former casino gamblers are now into bitcoin. :-D

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:14 | 3426233 venturen
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TAXPAYER are the real gamblers.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:21 | 3426273 orangedrinkandchips
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I was at a local gaming facility the other day after a test I had was next door.


I play craps sometimes but fret over even a 5 dollar bet!! I just watch.


The table, 50 min. BJ, behind me had a few people. One Asian lady lost her ass along with this other guy, so she pulled out a stack of 100s that took the dealer 5 times!! 5 times to stuff it all down the chute! The chute is only so big but had to be 5k-6k cash. Then, she went on to lose 8 hands vs. winning 1!!!! She bolted with about 1/2 her chips after she ponied up.

Please hammer! dont hurt em!!


Better than giving it up to the Govt. like Cyprus!!!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 10:29 | 3426320 John Law Lives
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Maybe the Great Chairsatan will cover the losses by all gamblers to help stimulate the economy moar...


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:14 | 3426563 Stuck on Zero
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Dang.  The Gambling "Industry" is the last viable industry in the U.S.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 13:07 | 3427087 Offthebeach
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Fedreserve scratch notes?
Maybe Fedreserve pulltabs?
You know, some little QE crumbs, scraps, for us neo-serfs.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 02:45 | 3444139 squexx
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I lived in Vegas, what a sewer! It can go back into being desert and all all the scum that infests the place. Good riddance!

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