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The Drone Diaries: An Interactive Tracker Of America's "Remote Control" Casualties

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While previous US-offensive campaigns around the world traditionally had a face and pulse, and thus a narrative and an appropriate popular (and populist) reaction, recent years have seen most US military "intervention" devolve to the intangible world of video games: an operator in Nevada controlling predator drones half way around the world with a joystick, and launching bombs and missiles with the push of a button. In the process any aspects of the humanity (or complete lack thereof) of traditional warfare were completely lost, and the US has succeeded in engaging in countless offshore campaigns without a single peep from a population that would otherwise have long since succumbed to war fatigue. Alas, while technological superiority means little risk while imposing Pax Americana (if only in the most underdeveloped defensively nations), it certainly does not mean fewer casualties on the other side. So just to make sure that what is out of sight, is not out of mind, below we present an interactive tracker of all casualties in Pakistani drone strikes since 2004.

In brief, of the 3105 total casualties, only 47, or 1.5% have been of high profile targets. The rest, including some 175 children, is what can be classified as "collateral damage." But who cares: the classic liberal revulsion is never an issue because the only American involvement is that by a 19 year old with a rapid response and a trigger finger. And at the end of the day, who really cares what goes on on the other side...

h/t Nolsgrad


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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:21 | 3429245 TeamDepends
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1.5 out of 100  aint bad.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:27 | 3429257 Motorhead
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Indeed, and much better than the bird flu stats.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3429289 Zer0head
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notwithstanding 100x leverage

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:42 | 3429305 ACP
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No, it's NOT "a 19 year old with a rapid response and a trigger finger".

It is a middle-aged field officer with a promotion in mind. Looking at the frequency of drone attacks now, that says a lot about the current administration.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3429352 Pure Evil
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Its amazing how the CT libs and Obama use the Sandy Hook parents to push for gun control in the US Senate today while Obama on choom patrol manages to murder 11 children across the pond with his drones.

I have to wonder if any of the Sandy Hook parents in D.C. today took the President to task on more children being slaughtered by his war mongering policies.

I guess if Adam Lanza had used a drone with an attached Hellfire missile to kill all the kids at Sandy Hook Elementary all of this would have been a mute point.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:05 | 3429363 Jendrzejczyk
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Gave you a green, but moot, moot, MOOT.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:58 | 3429947 ebear
Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:32 | 3430371 Joe Sixpack
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check out

Fri, 04/12/2013 - 17:15 | 3442938 ebear
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That site failed to mention an important new development:


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:17 | 3429387 nmewn
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"Its amazing how the CT libs and Obama use the Sandy Hook parents to push for gun control in the US Senate today while Obama on choom patrol manages to murder 11 children across the pond with his drones."

On that point, we wonder what the "normal" everyday cop thinks...not the brass, not politicized police chiefs, not the mayors...but the guys & gals down in the trenches as it were...

Why am I not surprised at the results?

15,595 is a pretty good representative cross section ;-)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:44 | 3429448 Schmuck Raker
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Thanks for the link Nmewn. It somewhat restores my faith in LEOs.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:53 | 3429477 Pure Evil
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I did like the responses to questions 19 & 22.

But, and maybe I missed it, I would have like them to ask about their feelings to being forced by their department to participate in any type of gun confiscation schemes.

That's the real tell. I think most would go along if ordered to do so.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:40 | 3429757 HD
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"I think most would go along if ordered to do so."

 I bet 99.9% would. What's the alternative - the cop gives up his job and his own gun if he refuses.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:10 | 3429955 StychoKiller
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See my question below...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:34 | 3430063 nmewn
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Question #15 in the survey.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:09 | 3429954 StychoKiller
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Another question that should have been asked:  "Do you feel Obamatron's proposals will just paint a large target on yer ass?"

Because there is definitely some yahoos out there that are just looking for a better excuse...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:53 | 3430024 Urban Redneck
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Reread question #4, and look at the breakdown of responses again

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:47 | 3429978 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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It stands to reason that most LEO have a distinct aversion to catching lead.

With that said, only overwhelming, Rby Rdge style force would be acceptable.

Try repeating that several hundred million times.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:45 | 3429764 NeedtoSecede
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I had some interaction with a sharp young lady working the marketing side of this web site a few years ago. She was hot!

What survey?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:01 | 3430244 tarsubil
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#28 is the most important question. As the family goes so goes the country.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 20:40 | 3434537 nmewn
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Correct...good catch ;-)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:55 | 3429480 zorba THE GREEK
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If Adam Lanza had used a Hellfire missile to kill the kids at Sandy Hook, those children would 

have been labeled "combatants". 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:55 | 3430027 Urban Redneck
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More to the point, if a Pakistani with a legitimate beef with Barry used a drone and a  Hellfire missile on some event he was attending at Sidwell, would the Press be willing to write off 80 or so causalities, including the first bitches, as legitimate "collateral damage" in the name of a "high value target"...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:45 | 3430074 Ghordius
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whoever gets the designation "terrorist" loses the "legitimate beef" handle - ergo can't produce "legitimate collateral damage"


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3429271 Banksters
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It has been reported that an American military airstrike in eastern Afghanistan on Saturday, April 6 that targeted a senior Taliban commander finally ended up in killing 18 people including women and children.

DEAR LEADER JUST WAXED SOME KIDDIES, NOT EVEN A FUCKIN OOPS.  NO TEARS.  SHIT, THE MEDIA TRIED TO BLAME NATO. Now you tell me, if someone kills your family while you are out herding goats, who are you going to hate? Perpetual terrorism means perpetual police state at home.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:50 | 3429324 James_Cole
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Oh right another article from the guy who has tried to suggest that General Electric owned NBC & MSNBC have a disincentive to report on drone warfare simply because GE manufactures many of the critical components of the Drones & is a major supplier of US military technology.

Talk about a crazy conspiracy theory! 

And that's just the tip of the iceberg, he's also claimed many of the other major news sources have similar conflicts of interest... some folks are just NUTS!


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:30 | 3429412 logicalman
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You are joking, right?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:16 | 3429552 James_Cole
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You are joking, right?

I hate the sarc tag but sometimes I guess it's necessary... either that or the sarcasm was understood but there are a lot of closet MSNBC lovers on here. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:45 | 3429765 HD
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"closet MSNBC lovers on here."

Krugman is in the hot tub with Ben and a bottle of French wine tonight so I don't know who it could be...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:26 | 3430056 fajensen
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Mr Toaster? Or Mr Hair-Dryer?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:53 | 3429336 Yamaha
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These numbers are bullshit. I have e very close relative who flys a B-1B and on a recent "report" about civilian kills from US media - he told me they reviewed the films and all the combatants were armed and shooting our troops.

If anything we are doing a police action - not what these guys are trained. In World War Two civilians got rewarded according to their votes.

Fuck the civilian dead!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:59 | 3429351 john39
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brain dead, or paid by the post?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:11 | 3429377 W74
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(so both I guess)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:02 | 3429513 Jack Burton
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Zionist! And paid by the post. They have a whole organization to flood posts onto blogs whenever their superiority is questioned.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:01 | 3429354 James_Cole
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Yeah, Apache was under heavy fire there! Damn Reuters journalists and their cameras equipped with invisible super death rays! 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:15 | 3429998 CompassionateFascist
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Instructive vid. Foretaste of what the ZOG has in store for us. See/hear any helicopters around, stay under heavy cover. And thank you B. Manning and J. Assange. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:06 | 3429362 Pure Evil
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Fuck the civilian dead!


Coming soon to a US city near you.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:07 | 3429579 earleflorida
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"The Roving Eye -- The South also Rises" by Pepe Escobar [The Asian Times __ 4/5/13]

`" The Poorer Nations:  A Possible History of a Global South"` by Vijay Prashad  (War Bonds/ Brady Bonds et.el.?)

Note: short-lined article with a whole lot of anachronistic compression... esp., for those who love the surreal world of pax-americana historicity jingoism wedded to a 'cfr/trilateralist' n[g]eo-ideologue's!?

*Note: Cross-collateralization of a plaining planet with but a mere hegemonic pollination [always... in the designated right time and, assuredly... always in the designated right location?] can destroy many a life without firing one fucking shot?!



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:35 | 3429608 palmereldritch
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It's only politics...

Quid pro drone

A secret deal on drones, sealed in blood

"Nek Muhammad knew he was being followed.

On a hot day in June 2004, the Pashtun tribesman was lounging inside a mud compound in South Waziristan, speaking by satellite phone to one of the many reporters who regularly interviewed him on how he had fought and humbled Pakistan’s army in the country’s western mountains. He asked one of his followers about the strange, metallic bird hovering above him.

Less than 24 hours later, a missile tore through the compound, severing Muhammad’s left leg and killing him and several others, including two boys, ages 10 and 16. A Pakistani military spokesman was quick to claim responsibility for the attack, saying that Pakistani forces had fired at the compound.

That was a lie.

Muhammad and his followers had been killed by the CIA, the first time it had deployed a Predator drone in Pakistan to carry out a “targeted killing.” The target was not a top operative of Al Qaeda, but a Pakistani ally of the Taliban who led a tribal rebellion and was marked by Pakistan as an enemy of the state.

In a secret deal, the CIA had agreed to kill him in exchange for access to airspace it had long sought so it could use drones to hunt down its own enemies.

 That back-room bargain, described in detail for the first time in interviews with more than a dozen officials in Pakistan and the United States, is critical to understanding the origins of a covert drone war that began under the Bush administration, was embraced and expanded by President Barack Obama..."

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:19 | 3429711 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Obomba kills the equivalent of one My Lai every two weeks, continuously. The one real My Lai was in the news constantly for months and helped bring an end to a useless hateful expensive and unpopular war. So what's different today? You and I, my friend. We don't give a crap. Now THAT is the lowest moral scum of the world.

(yes I give a crap and I know you do too but this is aimed at those who DONT call Congressmen and rave to friends and rant online and attend rallies and vote correctly and try and do what little we can)

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:16 | 3429958 Radical Marijuana
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As above, so below. As within, so without. The lies are different at every level.

And, I agree with the comment that "Perpetual terrorism means perpetual police state at home" was "not a bug, but a deliberate feature" of the system of toroidal vortices that we were born within!

The standing situation that civilizations are controlled by the people who are the best at being dishonest has resulted in infinite tunnels of deceits becoming more and more remote controlled and automated. Since the vast majority of people act like Zombie Sheeple inside these social systems, we are witnessing the worse science fiction nightmare scenarios becoming more and more real. ...

Of course, I like to imagine better political science fiction ... BUT, I have no reasonable grounds to believe that anything will happen than that we will continue to go down and down the path of least morality ... DARPA is dropping depth charges upon ITSELF, through its own infinite tunnels of deceits!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:37 | 3429291 zorba THE GREEK
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A Nobel Peace Prize winner condoning the drone bombing of innocent children, highlights the hypocrisy of our democracy.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:01 | 3429355 john39
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Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:19 | 3430002 CompassionateFascist
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Precisely what it is: electoral majorities bought by debt-financed handouts. Embrace Democracy, or get droned. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:03 | 3429358 cherry picker
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Nobel, isn't that the guy who invented dynamite?

I wonder what Nobel's definition of "Peace" is.

In any case, Obama is no Martin Luther King Jr, is he?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:08 | 3429369 john39
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the orwellien version of dr. king.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:52 | 3429334 TeamDepends
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n.  a species of poetry in which contemporary vice and folly are held up to ridicule;  sarcasm.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:20 | 3429720 BillyTheBlade
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but....but... He won the Nobel Peace Prize!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:28 | 3431091 NewAmericaNow
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Is that how the planes on 9/11 were piloted?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:24 | 3429251 FinalCollapse
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Geez - all of it from the Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Endless talking about the Newtown and gun control - how it makes sense with these indiscriminate killings in another country?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:25 | 3429253 ebworthen
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Imagine if news got back that Marines had gone into villages and killed 175 children with their M9 Berreta handguns and M-15's point blank, filling their little bodies with lead in cold blood, and leaving.

Somehow, blowing 175 children to bits with a remote controlled robot missile is acceptable?

As an American, I am ASHAMED at the cowardice and cruelty of these "missions".


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:26 | 3429260 Motorhead
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Did you vote?  (Not that it matters, but I'm just sayin'.)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3429303 ebworthen
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For a Republicrat that started it, or a Demican who continued it?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:21 | 3430052 e-recep
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fuck voting and all that charade. voting changes nothing.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:31 | 3430060 Ghordius
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depends on the electoral system

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:26 | 3429261 FinalCollapse
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Me too.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3429274 cherry picker
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I always envisioned America as one of the good guys.

Then we get this kind of stuff happening.  A president with a kill list of "suspects" and his predecessor who loved invasions.

If it were any other country performing these kinds of thing, America would be screaming "foul".

But it is OK for America to make WMDs. use drones and so on, but not for anyone else?  What is America, "God's country"?   I don't think so.


Until this hypocrisy is resolved, it will just keep on degrading.  I am referring to morals and what many of us were raised as being right or wrong.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:37 | 3429287 James_Cole
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I always envisioned America as one of the good guys.


I guess if you ignore current events and 90% of US foreign policy over its entire history this illusion stands. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:42 | 3429308 pods
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It was easier to control the image back then.

Now you can find images of the people killed around the world in an instant.

Back when we were killing in SA to pave the way for United Fruit et all, it was tougher to get the information out.

It was still happening, just less refined and futher from view.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:57 | 3429343 James_Cole
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There's always been a thirst for blood out there, everything isn't done in secret. 

McKinley & the Philippines comes to mind.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:20 | 3429393 pods
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Oh absolutely we have been at this for a long, long time.

But a hundred years ago, you had to travel halfway around the world to witness the results of our actions.

Now it seems that it is available everywhere.  So those in charge of the information have to be able to overcome images of dead kids and weeping women.

So, enter the more modern propaganda of "rape rooms" "human shields" and "hidden in a school" to keep these uncomfortable events from stopping the operation.

Modern Amerikans really don't give a fuck, and I don't blame them. They have to travel a half hour or more to a "job" which pays an ever shrinking salary, hopefully avoiding the revenuers wanting to extract more of that ever shrinking salary each way.  Only to come home beaten down and broken to hear about everyone else's synthetic day.

Who the fuck wants to discuss uncomfortable matters after all of that?  Matters which may involve risking life, limb, property and reputation?

Then when the weekend comes, keep the warmongers (men) drunk and happy with grilled hunks of meat and games on the magic box till Monday and you can really have a decent status quo.



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:33 | 3429602 James_Cole
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Modern Amerikans really don't give a fuck, and I don't blame them. They have to travel a half hour or more to a "job" which pays an ever shrinking salary, hopefully avoiding the revenuers wanting to extract more of that ever shrinking salary each way.  Only to come home beaten down and broken to hear about everyone else's synthetic day.


I don't buy that as an explanation. Wars are always bought & sold on emotion.

Here's how I figure it works. Family sits down to watch the football game and the politician who they just voted for and emotionally invested in (politics are another game of emotion) shows up suddenly telling them that x evil foreigner who doesn't speak english or look like them is hellbent on killing honest hardworking Americans and their families over jealousy of <american freedom, prosperity etc.> and must be stopped. Often God is invoked. 

Joe America has a brief brain meltdown (wholly unequipped to deal with this shock) but is reassured that his guy in the oval office is on the job. After a grand pep talk it's back to the football game where the mind can relax to the soothing repetitions of spandex-clad men engaging in an arbitrarily emotional war-emulating event. 

It then becomes the medias job (as the media has a love-affair with wars) to sell the other half of the country who didn't vote for the current commander in chief. Repetition again comes in handy and anyone in the major media who doesn't tow the line is either mocked as 'not patriotic' or fired (like various journalists at the 'liberal' NYT & MSNBC during Iraq war sale). 

After the majority of the country has emotionally committed it's lights camera action! The media then beings its next important role of publishing as little of the actual conflict as possible. 

As more and more of the wars inevitable atrocities leak out the general public starts to grow tired of it and eventually the whole thing needs to be 'resolved' and forgotten. 

Apathy is an important part, but the critical component is the PR. Just like in elections. 


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:48 | 3429325 nmewn
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I think he was talking about the government & proxies...not us.

But there's a lot if "us" more interested in the Kardashians and Snookie than we here at the hedge...although I did have to look up Hannah Davis...the Direct TV genie last night.

Hey!...I'm only human ;-)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:07 | 3429368 cherry picker
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Thanks nmewn.  I am talking about the government and proxies.

I like most peoples, regardless of their origins.  That is why I am so disappointed.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:45 | 3429444 Pants McPants
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I'm only human, too - that's why I gave you an upvote for sharing the Genie's real name.  Thank you, sir!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:34 | 3429922 ebworthen
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Beautiful face, wide hips, great ass, perfect amount of boob.

Yeah, I'm human too:

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:08 | 3429364 W74
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Now yer thinkin' with an Israeli mindset (who of course do you think runs our government behind the scenes?)

"THEY are persecuting US....just don't pay attention to our bulldozers and our building of walls between their villages and farmlands, (and then stealing both, while forcing others to go through hour long checkpoints just to go to work)....LOOK, see they're throwing ROCKS at us....ROCKS!!!!"

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:29 | 3430059 bunnyswanson
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The world watches.  When Americans are at the mercy of the gun confiscators, and all hell breaks loose, it will be a road side attraction due to the reputation which the war profiteers have created behind the name of America.  It's with reckless abandon and that worries me.  When it happens here, and it will, the sentiment may be one of "do not get involved, too dangerous."

So it will be here too.  On internet i see antagonist posts, agitators who persist and the Bedbug Propaganda being described as "anti-American" much like ZH's AnAnomymous is suspect to me as they are devoting a great deal of time to tarnishing Americans reputations and painting them as a nation of beasts who have done little good for the world other than consume it's vital resources.  

When there is a plea for help, there will be none heard due to media blackouts.  This scenario is quite dangerous for a nation of people.  The govt that you have elected to serve you has commited the ultimate betrayal. Election fraud is going to become the norm.  A good politician who has the ability to find the courage to attempt to bring sanity to the storm front would be attacks by drone fire, it's been predicted (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts).

This is a Twilight Zone movie and we are in it.  I can only hope there is no reincarnation.  A ghost would not want to visit a world such as the one we are watching be created, drudgery and concrete gray, no selection, is beyond comprehension how we have sat back and allowed this unfold.  The media ownership is what has allowed this to be pulled off.  We are going to be punished by losing internet access when we are bad.  Or restricted from movement if we have bills.  It will be one cull and then another and then another.  This has happened BEFORE.

I can't sleep at al and then I collapse until I bolt awake.  That is what every one of us should be experiencing.  We are in danger.

 but from the real enemy to freedom and justice for all -  Agenda 21/NATO and the World Bank.  They have fine taste, the elite, the disfigured unruly masses who now offer nothing are an eyesore and now not cost effective.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:04 | 3429516 MrPalladium
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"As an American, I am ASHAMED at the cowardice and cruelty of these "missions"."

As a volunteer, regular Army, back in 1969, I too and ashamed at what our military has become

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:42 | 3429637 ebworthen
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Thank you for your Service.

Many good Men and Women misled and used for goals that do not match the promise of the nation.

I can only hope that those greedy mammon and power lusters who warped the morals and values of their soldiers for personal gain get their just desserts eventually, in the great beyond.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:58 | 3430094 kurt
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I'll give up my guns if they give up their wars and drones.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3429272 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Here comes the supernatural anesthetist

If he wants you to snuff it  

All he has to do is puff it  

He's such a fine dancer"


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:33 | 3429273 nmewn
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I want one of these lasers when they go surplus...give it a minute for the ad, that seem to infect everything of interest these days...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:35 | 3429280 mayhem_korner
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I bet with a Missle Command rollerball I could beat that score...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:38 | 3429290 pods
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Is there any wonder why the imperial US is hated around the world?

Drone strike kills my family you are damn right I am going to be screaming Death to Amerika.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:34 | 3429746 FrankDrakman
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Hence, the myth of the hydra - cut off its head and two more will take its place. For each innocent child, I suspect much more than two instant jihadists are created. The current program "works", in the sense that it allows taking the battle to enemy with significantly lower cost in American mortality and treasure, but of course, it also means America has lost its soul.

But, I do feel compelled to toss this out as well. In game theory, the most successful strategy is usually 'tit for tat' - you cooperate on the first turn, and then do to your opponent what he did to you on his last turn. The entire West has offered concessions, dialogue, etc. to the Islamic world, only to be met with suicide bombs, etc in return. In view of this, drones can be seen as the ultimate tit for tat, as in "if you want to keep bombing our hotels, subways, airplanes, buiildings, etc., we are prepared to keep bombing your weddings, funerals, birthdays, etc. Let us know when you want to stop". The flaw in this argument is the assumption that the Islamist world is rational. I don't think they are, any more than the Israelis are; both believe they have some divine right to rule, which the Christian world more or less relinquished over the last two centuries.

Conclusion: We are all fucked.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:07 | 3429953 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, but I believe that the transnational bankster dudes are doing that deliberately, since one of their goals is to destroy the American democratic republic. They get two birds with one stone! They use America to destroy America, while simultaneously destroying another of their enemies, the Islamic countries. From a sublime perspective, perhaps one could admire their evil genius?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:52 | 3429979 i-dog
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Sunni Islam is not the enemy of the Khazarian is in fact one of their primary tentacles!

Only Shi'a Islam (read: Iran) is to be destroyed, because they don't accept the idea of an appointed Caliph (which is a Khazarian konstrukt).

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3429299 dick cheneys ghost
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Ike was RIGHT

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:42 | 3429302 Cacete de Ouro
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Disgrace and Hypocrisy, and your MSM says zilch...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:44 | 3429312 exgop
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they dont hate us for our freedom

they hate us for our murder of inocents 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:53 | 3429313 Seize Mars
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fuck this.

The Impostor just filed his taxes. The Social Security number he used was originally issued to Harrison J. Bounel in Connecticut.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:59 | 3429984 StychoKiller
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Apparently, you're not aware that the SS Admin. recycles old SSN's.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:10 | 3430123 Seize Mars
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Uh-huh. From state to state, right? I thought the Impostor was born in Hawaii?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:46 | 3429316 Jam Akin
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Packs Americana

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:49 | 3429327 adr
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I wonder if this will be a new feature in Battlefield 4. It's supposed to be the most realistic war entertainment game ever.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:47 | 3429458 Pants McPants
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Makes me think of "Ender's Game" - pretty good SciFi book & a quick read (in case you haven't read it)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:59 | 3429337 cherry picker
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Americans don't like to hear about this shit.  When they do, they justify it by saying "they're Muslims and deserve it" or "We are fighting terror on their soil" or "remember 9/11" or "We are fighting for freedom and democracy"

The fucking CIA's department of propanda is doing really fine.

Yet when some kid gets wasted here, the news is full of it, but those "human beings" over there aren't people, are they?

What a screwed up country.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:57 | 3429341 Go Tribe
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I read that PETA is going to start using drones to harrass hunters. I can't wait. Will have to train my dog to pick up dead drones.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:59 | 3429344 orez65
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Guantanamo must be closed because enemy combatants are denied habeas corpus.

That was the "siren song" of the liberals and their MSM parrots.

Fast forward to the passage of the Military Defense Authrization Act.

Now the US has become Guantanamo.

A US military committee can now have any US citizen arrested and denied habeas corpus.

That's what you need to be the most ashamed of.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 21:59 | 3429349 chump666
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Dying empires play with toys. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:29 | 3429410 exgop
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USA fighting Wars for Israel

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:30 | 3429413 hannah
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everyone keeps claiming pres huessen condones drone attacks....SHOW ME A FUCKING VIDEO WHERE HE STATES THAT.....ONE FUCKING VIDEO. the pres as far as i know has never spoken about the subject. he isnt for it or against it the public eye.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:22 | 3429997 i-dog
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"he isnt for it or against it the public eye."

Exactly. Bizarre that you got voted down for that by 7 (so far) kneejerkers! It seems that even ZH is devolving into a gaggle with ZERO reading comprehension. :-/

ZHers should be taught (You listenin', Tyler?) to understand that the general public is living in "the Matrix" and that the media is both manipulating them and keeping them ignorant of "reality".

Instead of despising "the sheeple", we should be feeling compassion for them and using every opportunity to attempt - in even the smallest and most innocuous ways - to guide them gently out of their drug- and media-induced trance. Arguing with them, or abusing them, will just further alienate us from them (which is exactly what the Khazarian Kleptokrats intend to happen, with their continual divide and conquer tactics).

Obomber is a puppet...selected and trained by the Khazarian Kapos (as were all his "opponents" - Hitlery, McCain and Romney - so that you could "choose" your "leader") to follow the script.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:47 | 3430080 fajensen
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The Secret of Obama is that he does not actually say anything exept pure white noise: The listener makes up the mening so everybody will find something to agree with - while the real Obama is expressed in obscure documents like NDAA-2012. With this character being expressed in such a way, I would not be surprised if Obama also have regular private wank session over the target footage instead of just screwing actors and interns like normal presidents!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:08 | 3430117 overmedicatedun...
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congress...never a declaration of war in last 50yrs. can't blame congress for the Murder and maiming..we saw nothin we did nothin we know nothin..just WHO orders these wars???

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:15 | 3430129 Ghordius
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+1 that is an interesting question. If the US of A would suffer the fate of Germany after the WWII - complete with trials - my defence of the prez in charge would be that congress did not restrain him or previous presidents - and so argue that de facto congress authorized all the military interventions since the last declared war

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:34 | 3430171 overmedicatedun...
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Ghordius, what would be your defense of CORZINE? seems the same applies, when the rule of law has been so shattered so twisted to it's very roots in the magna carta, everything is possible by those who are elected (LOL) like elections are not theater.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:39 | 3430183 overmedicatedun...
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a question to keep one up at night:, where are all the lawyers and profs at law schools?? remember the days of mock trials at law schools?? today not a wimper from the law school profs at the obvious crimes of wall st, banks and our masters in DC, anybody for the rule of law?? why are they all silent??

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:56 | 3430230 Ghordius
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don't know. perhaps a mixture of interest (financial) and disinterest (personal)?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:07 | 3430262 overmedicatedun...
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Ghordius, we agree, I would never ask you to defend the obvious crimes we discuss, but much as the elite would wish it not so, the tramping  of rule of law, is what is manifest in finance and politics and war, no justice for many of us- no wish to support any of our pillars of politics & the economy ..where are the lawyers, were are the law schools speaking out, the judges only silent gray men giving tacit approval( evil is so dull gray and mundane)?. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:35 | 3430382 Ghordius
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I am unable to write in a few quick sentences a coherent answer to this - the first task would have to separate the various charges you put together. just an example "no justice for many of us" - in my humble view you have to make two categories of those "many of us" in Anglo-American societies, those who were privileged and those who never were

crude but noteworthy example: state-supported homeowners - how "just" was it... for those who never owned?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:54 | 3430219 Ghordius
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ah, a challenge: defending the indifensible... I do hope you mean if I would be forced to defend him

well, I think I'd go in the same direction: my defendant just "vaporized" funds and no properly constituted authority indicted him for years

so he had a >gag< >puke< right >gag< to assume he was doing a good, legal job


meanwhile remember that this medieval paper called Magna Charta was about the rights of barons and knights vs the Crown

it's imho the very core of the problems that the UK/US have: it isn't designed for citizens, it's designed for people that have their own castles, weapons, troops and substantial funds

it does not define a Res Publica - it just tried to shelter the mighty from the mightiest, the second rank from the first, inside a pure power-play oriented setup

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:42 | 3429435 logicalman
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I'm glad I'm closer to the end of my life than the beginning.

The world is run by insane, narcysistic psychopaths.

With luck, I'll exit just in time.

I try to prepare my kids for the world they will have to deal with, but I'm glad I'm not going to be there.


On a happier note, Margaret Thatcher is dead (just not soon enough).

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:08 | 3429944 Radical Marijuana
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I loved your neogolism "narcysistic."


I too like the apparent social fact that I grew up in the best of times, and was young back then!

Narcissism made more sense back then.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:16 | 3429999 i-dog
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I loved your neologism "neogolism", too.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:19 | 3430000 Parrotile
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The British Government could create a tidy revenue stream by charging "interested Parties" for the right to spit on her grave, and pee on her headstone.

At 10 Pounds a pop - they could make tens of millions . . . .

(Because ther were quite a few people there who weren't exactly fans of Aunty Margaret, don't you know . . . .)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:42 | 3429437 logicalman
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double post removal

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:44 | 3429443 Kastorsky
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no price is too high for the security and well-being of israel!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:39 | 3429640 Joseph Jones
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Yes, the Chosenites.  All else can eat shite and die.  From their glorious Talmud: "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death."

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:57 | 3429945 Radical Marijuana
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Everyone that has power tends to eventually abuse it. Those who have worked hard to become the current top carnivores in the human ecology, of course, become the worst! However, every prize fighter only has some days in sun, before another comes along!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:03 | 3429523 thisandthat
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They forgot to add the latest success story: 10 children (aka future terrorists) and 1 woman (aka terrorist sponsor) were killed - Minority Report to the max...


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:45 | 3429547 Joseph Jones
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Jewish princess PhD. Deborah Lipstadt demands all who are not members of her synagoge of "holocaustianity" shall be imprisoned (AKA holocaust deniers).  But she herself "denies" the "allies" wrongly and criminally incinerated 40k Germans at Dresden (no military targets, all innocent unarmed civilians), and leveled the city, and destroyed much of the worlds finest art in the process.  

Remember the Jewish Talmudic vs. that defines her demonic spirit and phsyical life: "Even the best of the getiles deserve only death." 

Judaism: The worship of the Judaic male as god. 

Anyone denying we do mostly Satan's work on this earth is lying or incredibly stupid or both. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:59 | 3429949 Radical Marijuana
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"... lying or incredibly stupid or both" includes everyone, as far as I know!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:49 | 3431233 Canucklehead
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That whole Dresden - world's finest art schtick was a social experiment to develop the abstract expressionist movement, on a collective bombastic scale.

Jackson Polack refined the process on a smaller scale... drip painting.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:42 | 3429644 q99x2
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Perception has changed since the days of old. Before globalism there were people and nations that could be relegated to the enemy and not thought much of. Now the enemy has become the ones killing the innocent no matter where they live. Unintended consequences of the NWO.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:21 | 3429804 Joe A
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There is no reporting on these events. No camera crews on the spot and no broadcasting of the misery. That did happen during the Vietnam war which then caused outrage. The military learned from that 'negative' experience by 'befriending' the media with policies of 'embedding' journalist with military units. American people are guilty of apathy because while during the Vietnam era people were enraged by what they say on television, during the Iraq war people just switched channels when misery and blown up children were shown because it was rather 'inconvenient' to see that around dinner time. People rather watch who will be the next American idol or the next football game. Then the media stopped showing it altogether. We live in an age of stupid and indifference.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:55 | 3429852 AAA
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How do you deal with an educated terrorist who can strike anytime, anywhere

 http://www.ctc. posts/the- fighters- of-lashkar- e-taiba-recruitm ent-training- deployment- and-death


Most recruits examined in the study joined at about age 17 and died at
 about 21, generally in India or Afghanistan. Their backgrounds contradict
 "a lingering belief in the policy community that Islamist terrorists are
 the product of low or no education or are produced in Pakistan' s
 madrassas," the report says.
 In fact, the fighters had higher levels of secular education compared to
 the generally low average for Pakistani men, the report says. Relatively
 few studied at religious schools known as madrasas. They joined Lashkar ?
 which spews anti-Western, anti-Semitic and anti-Indian rhetoric ? because
 they wanted more meaningful lives, admired its anticorruption image and
 felt an obligation to help fellow Muslims, the study says.

 "These are some of Pakistan' s best and brightest and they are not being
 used in the labor market, they are being deployed in the militant market,"
 Fair said. "It' s a myth that poverty and madrasas create terrorism, and
 that we can buy our way out of it with U.S. aid."

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:51 | 3429941 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, being able to kill more people, at a greater distance, has made murder madder!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:56 | 3430025 Black Markets
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Wow, that's persuaded me to support drones in future.


I remember the Iraq war. 


There were 52 high profile targets (you could buy playing cards) and there were 650,000 "excess deaths"


So... conventional warfare (including 'precision weapons') has a comparable acuracy percentage of 0.008% which translates to 188 times more collateral damage (unintended deaths) when compared to drones.


In Iraq 12,600 civilians were killed for every high profile target (and some of those high profile targets were not killed during the war, namely Osama Bin Laden himself)


Shall we compare the financial costs?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:32 | 3430168 css1971
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World War II. There was just 1 target and tens of millions of deaths.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:52 | 3430450 Chaos_Theory
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That's what I keep thinking...the British RAF night raids and the US AAF daylight bombing campaigns dropped a shit ton of ordinance on German cities to get a single factory producing ball bearings.  Hell, the British bombings of Germany preceded the more well-known bombings of England during the Blitz.  Then there's LeMay's firebombing of Tokyo.

Go back even farther before airpower.  Ancient seiges made no effort to spare civies.  The Mongols even catapulted bodies ravaged by the Plague into walled cities. Flash forward into the 19th Century and look at the effects of Grant's seige of Vicksburg on civies, or Sherman's March to the Sea. 

This Drone stuff is just a logical continuation of the history of outrages that come from military conflict.  It's never been a game of f-cking Chess followed by a smile and a handshake.  The public has just been fooled by the MSM and society as a whole to ignore uncomfortable subjects and switch the channel to instant gratification.  Besides, if someone gets killed they just respawn and continue the game from the last save point.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:57 | 3430231 AnAnonymous
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There were 52 high profile targets (you could buy playing cards)

It always takes an 'american' to outdo another 'american'.

How excellent.

52 high profile targets? No kidding. And you could buy playing cards?

What a happy coincidence. Consider, there were only 41 high profile targets or there were 68 high profile targets. You could not have sold/bought your 52 cards deck to play your poker games with it.

Aint life good in an 'american' world when the number of high profile targets matches exactly the traditional number of cards in a deck so you can produce playing cards and sell/buy them and play poker with your 'american' communauty of like minded inviduals?

'Americanism' for life.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:18 | 3430048 darteaus
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Hey, on 9/11, 3000 people were killed, but not one "high value target" was killed.  So, US is more moral than Jihadis?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:50 | 3430207 AnAnonymous
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Pax Americana? What is that shit?

We Americans do not impose our views on the rest of the world.

We promote freedom.

Signed: an American.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:17 | 3430311 esum
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Who gives a rats ass fuck. Obviously we have to kill more and quicker. In Mali, Lybia, Somalia, Yemen, Waziristan... weherever the jihadis roost. Sherman showed how to conduct war. Its our cuntlike approach that encourages them and the usual bleeding twat libs stabbing us in the back at home. They are busy sucking one anothers cock and when they come up for air they want to violate one of our rights at home or criticize the military. Kill them all, let God sort them out. 

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