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Guest Post: Survivor Of Communist Cuba Defends 2nd Amendment

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market,

In the past, I have corresponded with a few survivors of communist despotism, and what I have found is that most if not all immigrants that actually lived in a collectivized state with a disarmed population fight harder to defend the U.S. Constitution than half of the people who were actually born here.  There are a lot of overgrown children in this country today who have NO understanding of the consequences of the path our society has been set on.  They look to big government to take care of them because they are too lazy or apathetic to do it for themselves.  They look to big government to protect them because they are cowardly and have no concept of self-defense.  They look to big government as an attack dog that they can hide behind when they seek to impose their ideology and zealotry on the rest of us.  They bow down to big government because they are afraid of becoming the "nail that sticks out".  They submit to authoritarianism because they have no honor, and, no sense of appreciation when it comes to the concept of true liberty.

These sad but useful idiots within our population love to argue in the name of the state, constantly claiming that the ongoing restrictions of our individual freedoms and constitutional rights are "for the greater good" of our society as a whole.  They insist that even though the political measures being taken in the U.S. today are almost identical to those implemented in communist police states, this time "things will be different".  This time, the collectivists will "get it right".  Not surprising, though, is the fact that the vast majority of those that call for rights restrictions and socialized mega-government have never actually lived under the kind of system they are demanding.  They have absolutely NO idea what it is really like, nor do they ever attempt to learn from those who comprehend full well.

Some people know.  Some people have lived it.  Some people have experienced the consequences first hand.  And, for anyone with the intelligence to listen, this is what they have to say about gun control and the path to tyranny...



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Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:37 | 3429411 greased up deaf guy
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to those concerned at the dhs...

i'll see your 0.40 and raise you 0.308 ;).

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:36 | 3429430 Leto II
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Reach out and touch somebuddy

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:53 | 3429470 DoChenRollingBearing
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.40 caliber good out to 25 meters in the hands of someone pretty good.

.308 good to 400 meters...

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:00 | 3429506 Jam Akin
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as long as you've got your holdover and wind calcs dialed in.  

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:13 | 3429549 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, you do have to know what you are doing.  I claim no competence in long range shooting, but many country boys can take out targets at 400 meters.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:17 | 3429556 AlaricBalth
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"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:46 | 3429657 Ahmeexnal
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Fidel Castro Ruz is defending the second amendment?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:57 | 3429678 Cornfedbloodstool
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Stop cryin spic

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 02:14 | 3429875 Lore
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That's all well and good, but does this man collect his kitchen scraps in a green container?  Turn out his lights for Earth Hour?  What's his stand on gay marriage?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:04 | 3430926 Jreb
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A lot good old boys can reach out and touch their game at distances a lot further than 400 meters. With new tech like this built into optics magnum hunting rifles in the hands of even the average shooter are good to 800 meters and further.

How it works here:

In action here:



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:02 | 3429512 dtwn
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.338 Lapua Magnum, when you really want to reeeeeeaaaaaaach out.  1000m achievable with decent amount of practice, 2700m in expert sniper hands in Afghanistan.  Right around $1000,

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:04 | 3429520 DoChenRollingBearing
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More expensive, but better than Savage:


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:39 | 3429831 Axenolith
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I'll see your gun porn and raise you to .408 :-)

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:51 | 3429846 Axenolith
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BTW, That Savage is allegedly a spectacular gun for the price.  Additionally, it weighs about 1/2 the Onlylongrange product.  When it comes down to what your average citizen "should" get, 10-15 pounds extra of rifle is a LOT.  You'd be better off spending the saved difference at the range, and spending some time out in the country developing some field craft.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:06 | 3430259 ATM
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Those target guns are fine if you have a hardened bunker to shoot from but I don't. I will choose a weapon that is easily portable and is 1 MOA less accurate over 300 meters anyday.

Any good old deer rifle will do just fine, 30.06, .270, 6.5, 7mm, even .243. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:19 | 3430322 Bagbalm
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Or, if you are poor a plain old surplus Mosin. It probably still has dirt on it from when it was recovered from a ditch outside Leningrad, and it may not have been cleaned since 1945, but it will go BOOM without being cleaned on the proper schedule with a $10/oz synthetic Teflon infused designer bore cleaner.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:33 | 3430373 SamAdams
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For hunting, a Savage model 110 is cheap and shoots straight.  Hard to beat for the price.  All calibers mentioned are fine, but .308 is NATO and generally easy to find.  30.06 is not bad either and with 180 grain bullet, will take down a moose.

Mosin 91/30 is a reliable $100 beater gun and 7.62x54 steel core ammo is cheap.  Not a great hunting gun without a bit of work.  In which case, you should have just bought a Savage.

Regardless, any gun you buy is AN INVESTMENT WITH RETURNS GREATER THAN GOLD.  With the UN's bullhorn Cult (Feinstein, Schumer, Blumenthal, Bloomberg... see a pattern?) and Obama screaming gun control, gun values double each year. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:35 | 3429618 otto skorzeny
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Seems like a nice price alternative to barrett and armalite.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:01 | 3429777 eatthebanksters
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Barrett .416

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:12 | 3429791 2bit Hoarder
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the lapau is way too overpriced ... just get a Remington 700 .308. get the face of the bolt trued and have fun.  the firing pin needs to be modified as well, as it can become "sticky" within the carrier in cold weather and create an unsafe condition. (fires when you close the bolt).

that's what i used in USMC snipe school and it's a great platform.  1000 yds plus all day long with a little breathing control and a steady base.

i have a rock laying on the ground at the corner of my dead end road 3/4 mile away from my front door.  engraved on that rock are the words "past this point, you are in range" my neighbors know this to be true and feel safer for it.  just a phone call away and i can cover many of their houses.  several have told their children to call me before calling 911 if they have a break-in etc ... now that folks, is why I joined the USMC.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:49 | 3429938 Rogue Trooper
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Nice story brother.  I've consolidated everything around .308.

M1A (Actauly the Norinco, in my country an M1A is $4,000) but it's still works fine and going to get tuned up in my next project)

Ruger Scout - love this great package for what it is.

Another .308 Bolt to come....

Bloody annoyed I sold my Rem .308 Tac a few years back with a nice surpressor :(

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:10 | 3430124 jvetter713
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2 Bit...I love it!  I wanna get a similar rock...granted, mine might only be 50 yards from my house but still...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:25 | 3429808 DJ Happy Ending
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And $5/round

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:35 | 3429620 CheapBastard
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90% of gun fights/uses/needs occur within 15 feet, says the FBI.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:03 | 3429784 2bit Hoarder
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in a non-warzone environment ... if Obama, or any other pres went all-in on the tyrannical thing, that distance would stretch significanty. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:08 | 3430112 Seize Mars
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Look, you have the right attitude, but...

"If Obama or any other res went all-in on the tyrannical thing..." Seriously? "If?"

They're already confiscating illegally. Talk to some people. They're already spying on you, they're already fighting many, many undeclared wars, they have already imprisoned a large portion of the populace.

"if." Nice.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:57 | 3430466 aka Gil
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"If" is still a reasonable assumption. They're spying so they have a pretty good idea how many of us are prepared. Do they have the nerve and the people to pull this off? That's a big "if" IMO. These lying thieves nor their minions have demonstrated any courage or conviction, only arrogance and hubris.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:42 | 3429933 Rogue Trooper
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Within 1 yard my M1A is mighty fine Club.

Just another fine feature of the finest battle rifle yet devised.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:00 | 3429682 Boondocker
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Better than that with the training "our government" provides

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:01 | 3429778 2bit Hoarder
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my Rem 700 .308 w/50 power  march scope is pretty reliable up to around 1100 yards ...


Semper Fi

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:42 | 3429935 Rogue Trooper
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True dat. Regret... I sold my Rem 700 .308 in a crazy moment.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 02:06 | 3429867 HardAssets
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helluva lot longer than 400 meters

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:36 | 3429927 Rogue Trooper
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Oh common the .308 is just warming up and in the realm of the nancy-boy round the .223 which is starting to have as much kinetic energy has a BB gun (Ok that was a joke AR15 crew)

Sure 300 to 400 yards with my Aimpoint, but once I change the glass, and I'm good out to 600 to 800 yards.  But wind is still a bitch.

M1A Fear no one....


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:59 | 3429500 GoldForCash
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7.62 x 39mm @ 800 rounds per minute.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:31 | 3429416 wee-weed up
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The Obama Admin will see that their sycophant MSM ignores him.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:41 | 3429645 Bad Attitude
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It seems to me that Dear Leader and his regime believe their own propaganda. I don't believe they fully appreciate how angry the citizenry has become - not everyone can be pacified with an Obamaphone and a SNAP/EBT card at a strip joint. It is very telling that a lot of state governments are starting to very publicly push back.

Maybe the coming shit storm can be avoided, but I doubt it. Dear Leader seems to almost be intentionally aggravating the situation - reckless economic policies, stirring up racial tension, demands for draconian gun control, and ignoring the rule of law and the Constitution.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:00 | 3429776 Forty Six and 2
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Bingo! Intentionally aggravating the situation is exactly what they're doing. It's a game of poke the tiger with a stick. As soon as he (we) swipe, out comes the declaration of Marshal Law and then outright gun confiscations - DHS gets to use their shiny new APCs, drones, LRADs, and loose some of those newly obtained .40 cal ala Dorner style. How successful they will be in that scenario is another matter.

We just have to not swipe at them, but wait them out using what legal methods are still viable to stop them or until the system implodes. Which ever comes first.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:10 | 3430120 Proofreder
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MARTIAL Law -  LOSE, not Loose

NOT 'marshal' as in U.S. Marshall or Marshall Islands.  

HTF can anyone attempting to form or argue an opinion make such tragic errors - just totally invalidates the missive.

Idiot or Fool?

Not too difficult to figure this person; loose mind, no doubt.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 12:46 | 3431991 akak
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Yep, there learning of English grammar could of been better for sure, but to be frank I could care less.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 17:23 | 3433791 Forty Six and 2
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@Proofreder [sic]

Said the pot. I think your glib post says more about you than it does me.

Let's break it down, shall we...

While my marshal was a whopper and embarrassing my usage/spelling of loose was accurate as one of the meanings is "to let fly" a la "loose an arrow," not lose as in gone missing or misplace, or lost face ( I guess I should have used 'shoot' instead. With that, let's do some substitutions to see what makes more sense:

FS&2: DHS gets to use their shiny new APCs, drones, LRADs, and loose [to let fly] some of those newly obtained .40 cal ala Dorner style.

Proofreder: DHS gets to use their shiny new APCs, drones, LRADs, and lose [to misplace] some of those newly obtained .40 cal ala Dorner style.

Uh oh, Grammar-Nazi made a grammatical error.

Proofreder: Such tragic errors - just totally invalidates the missive. Idiot or Fool? Not to difficult to figure this person...

Project much? Just how is my "missive" invalid, esp given your invalid missive. Guess you're just as idiotic and/or foolish as I.

There are way more intelligent posters on ZH than either of us. Even they occasionally make grammatical errors. It's inevitable. What I find interesting is that you're not posting belittling comments to them. Why not? Was it something I said that rankled your hippie sensibilities?

We'll never know since you weren't capable of adding any substance to the discussion. Rather, you attempted to invalidate my post purely over one dumb grammatical error (with one of your own) instead of debating it. Your post has as much importance, value and knowledge here as the Krugman I deposited in the toilet this morning.

I think you should study up and try again tomorrow.

Thanks for playing

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 23:34 | 3435155 Frankie Carbone
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Jesus, enough with the quibbling. I'm not impressed one bit. 

I can't stand hubristic people.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:20 | 3429802 otto skorzeny
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the states are not going  to push back for shit-they are too dependent on uncle sam's teat- alot of the $ used for state and local LE comes from the feds

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 02:16 | 3429883 Lore
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When Corzine is in jail, there will be hope.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:52 | 3430023 Offthebeach
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Since The Constitution is " a living thing ", states should print their own fiat.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:33 | 3429418 LetThemEatRand
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Too bad this author had to confuse "collectivism" with tyranny.  Roads, schools, airports, parks, GPS, defense from unelected tyrants, etc., are all collectivist products.  The key -- as imagined by the Founders of the U.S. -- is balance.  We are WAY out of balance and that needs to be fixed by taking crony out of capitalism and politics.  The 2nd Amendment is a very important part of the balance and in that I agree with the author.  Much of the rest is ideological bullshit which divides and solves nothing.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:39 | 3429436 Bicycle Repairman
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I would think that appropriate collective projects are based on democratic cooperation as opposed to those imposed from the top down.  In top down schemes the rubric "we know better" is employed, and the desires of the vast majority of the people are ignored.

For example, I have trouble comparing the Eisenhower interstate highway with the White Sea canal.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:59 | 3429490 LetThemEatRand
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I agree.  My objection is with the idea -- advanced by many who identify with libertarianism -- that all collective action is bad.   The libertarian ideas would be much more likely to actually gain traction as a mainstream idea if authors such as this one toned done the rhetoric and acknowledged that some collectivist or socialist or other demonized concepts are actually worthwhile.  For example, even the most ardent libertarian wants a court system but such a system by definition requires collective funding and enforcement of judgments.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:23 | 3429575 howenlink
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Bastiat tried to explain.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:25 | 3429578 tmosley
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Jesus God, Rand.  You have been here how long?  Still can't tell the difference between anarchists and libertarians?

Or are you jus' trollin'?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:02 | 3429685 Calmyourself
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Mosely, you have been here long enough to know what lter is at her core , a collectivist.  From her death tax rants that virtually all estates return to the state for distribution to her characterization of "collective" action as some sort of compulsory goodness all the while denying her own employees a unionization vote. 


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:26 | 3429583 Bicycle Repairman
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I think libertarians are OK with voluntary associations and collaborations.  Would they object to an Amish barn raising?  I say 'no'.

As for the court system, libertarians see the need for a court system, but not this one.  Activist justices that invent law from whole cloth invalidating common law and the constitution?  No thanks.  The court system should be more like mediation, not dictation. 

This country has swung so far to the side of the "directed collective" that to discuss compromise is simply unreasonable.  The current path has lead us to the brink of demise.  The people need to be empowered through the ballot box and the marketplace now, or this country is dead.

Ideology to one side, this country needs to decentralize and devolve power now.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:26 | 3429585 UGrev
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Do not confuse the goals of individualism in libertarianism and the view of teamwork, versus collectivism.  One promotes indvidual success so that it can be shared, willfully, and without oppression for a common goal, the other says "fuck your personal bullshit, get to work.. it's for the children". 

Class dismissed. 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:03 | 3429515 Ahmeexnal
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There is no confusion, it is crystal clear.

So, basically you're saying..."you didn't build that"?

Stupid Soetorite. Hey parasite, here's something for ya to chew on:

...the mind is an attribute of the individual. There is no such thing as a collective brain. There is no such thing as a collective thought. An agreement reached by a group of men is only a compromise or an average drawn upon many individual thoughts. It is a secondary consequence. The primary act—the process of reason—must be performed by each man alone. We can divide a meal among many men. We cannot digest it in a collective stomach. No man can use his lungs to breathe for another man. No man can use his brain to think for another. All the functions of body and spirit are private. They cannot be shared or transferred.
     “We inherit the products of the thought of other men. We inherit the wheel. We make a cart. The cart becomes an automobile. The automobile becomes an airplane. But all through the process what we receive from others is only the end product of their thinking. The moving force is the creative faculty which takes this product as material, uses it and originates the next step. This creative faculty cannot be given or received, shared or borrowed. It belongs to single, individual men. That which it creates is the property of the creator. Men learn from one another. But all learning is only the exchange of material. No man can give another the capacity to think. Yet that capacity is our only means of survival.
     “Nothing is given to man on earth. Everything he needs has to be produced. And here man faces his basic alternative: he can survive in only one of two ways—by the independent work of his own mind or as a parasite fed by the minds of others. The creator originates. The parasite borrows. The creator faces nature alone. The parasite faces nature through an intermediary.
     “The creator’s concern is the conquest of nature. The parasite’s concern is the conquest of men.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:23 | 3429574 GoldenTool
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I forget how good Ann Ryand quotes are once you lose all the verbiage.



Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:34 | 3429614 GoldenTool
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Makes me wonder if what is going on is just feeding the parasite until it kills itself.  Too many seemingly random coincidences occuring at once.


"Facta, non verbia"

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:17 | 3430134 Mr Kurtz
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I'll raise ya one more:

“The ‘common good’ of a collective—a race, a class, a state—was the claim and justification of every tyranny ever established over men. Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive. Has any act of selfishness ever equaled the carnage perpetrated by disciples of altruism? Does the fault lie in men’s hypocrisy or in the nature of the principle? The most dreadful butchers were the most sincere. They believed in the perfect society reached through the guillotine and the firing squad."

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:06 | 3429528 Itgoestoeleven
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Our  elected tyrants have burried us with debt and a whole lot of bad Karma that will come back and bite us in the ass. Force is  employed to maintain the collective and collect taxes to build all the wonderfully collective services that you mentioned. There is no balance at the point of a gun. The ass biting (courtesey of our elected ones)is about to begin! I hope you are not counting on your .gov collective to feed you because all you will be eating is someone elses Rand.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:12 | 3429540 DoChenRollingBearing
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Adolf Hitler was elected too.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:36 | 3429622 Bicycle Repairman
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Not fucking Hitler, again.  He did not receive anywhere near a majority of the vote.  So how did he gain power?  He had the money power in back of him which financed his SA.  The SA employed a "strategy of tension" using violence against many segments of society.  It was easy to crush democracy in a country with zero democratic tradition.  See operation Gladio.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:08 | 3430118 Seize Mars
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Nowhere near the majority. Neither did the Impostor. And yet, there he is.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 02:19 | 3429882 HardAssets
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LetThemEat Rand --  You misunderstand the meaning of  the term 'collectivist'.

Individuals can work together to achieve common goals that they agree with. That is not 'collectivism', any more than a baseball team is 'collectivist'.

Collectivism is the forced pushing of an agenda, usually with the use of force. It does not recognize individual rights. It is done in the name of some 'common good'. Those in government aren't granted their powers by the people; the people exist to meet the collectivist objective.  Of course, its all bullshit. The 'common good' is nothing but a scam used by those at the top of the collectivist heap to gain the wealth of everyone else in the system and to gain power, which they love. 

You didnt attend the usual collectivist public 'schools' by any chance, did you ?  Theyve turned your brain to mush.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:53 | 3429442 Monedas
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"The citizens must retain sufficient military capability to discourage rogue governance !" .... Monedas   1929   "As the government's capability to repress increases .... there must be a corresponding increase in the citizen's capability to defend themselves from repression .... this is much bigger than hunting rights !" 

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:54 | 3429476 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, + 1

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:47 | 3429451 Ima anal sphincter
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Everything that "they" do is slow and calculated. One swing of the ax will not bring down an Oak, but many swings will. It seems this little disarming thing is quite the sore to TPTB. It's to bad for them that the system will collapse before "The People" are helpless.

All I can say is keep on swinging that ax, mother-fuckers. This is one tough Oak.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 02:34 | 3429893 GAAP is crap
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Maybe it is only me thinking this way, and I hope I am wrong, but this current gun hype is creating a great distraction (nothing with teeth is going to pass congress).  I am not saying the 2nd amendment isn't just may become irrelevant.  It may not be too hard to disarm the populace anyway.  While most of the US population wasn't caring, TPTB have almost completed the takeover of the food supply with its regulation (the 2010 food law is just getting started), consolidation, terminator seeds, etc.  Starvation brings all kinds of desperation, and like Esau to Jacob will be guns and more to the government from those with weaker hands...and that may be enough. 

tyranny sucks.


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:47 | 3429453 disabledvet
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There are three hundred million guns in this country. At some point "the control freaks" will suddenly cause actual militias to re-appear...waving flags, blowing bugles. Horses named "Nellie." Paens to our landed destiny given. Imagine the votes! No, I'm all for this gun control lunacy...once it causes America to start making its own ammo then finally we will more ably get to practice at a reasonable price.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:55 | 3429853 vato poco
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Yep, there *are* 300+ million guns here. And yet the vast majority of folks.... the same people who _just heard_ "their" government mewl shit like "There are 10 million wetbacks living here! We can't ever even get close to deporting them all!!".....they fall for the 'We comin to gitcher guns, peckerwoods!' dodge each & every time the statist swine trot it out.

If the USG "can't posssibly do jack shit about 10 million wetbacks" - their own assessment - how the fuck are they ever gonna go after 300 million firearms? A fair percentage of which will be shooting back at them? Answer: they can't, and they know it. I think it's all a misdirection con: while freedom lovers are all lined up at the gun stores trying to buy ammo, NObody's paying any attention to what USG is doing while they're distracted. Cyprus, anyone? 401K's? IRA's? Gigantic brand-spankin' new NSA facilities popping up like mushrooms? A "7.7%" unemployment rate which is actually 15%? Drones as thick as flies? Race riots in the large cities, although the Reich's propaganda department isn't referring to them as such? ("Boisterous youths party down, 15 dead for no specific reason") Obamacare starting to demonstrate what a nightmare fuckstory it's gonna be?

Get out of the ammo line & look around some, folks.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:53 | 3429463 Gringo Viejo
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I remind all those who are sniveling about ammo shorteges.

It only takes one round to upgrade your circumstance.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:54 | 3429486 FIAT
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I'm a big fan of homemade napalm using gasoline and styrofoam.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:00 | 3429501 Gringo Viejo
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@ Fiat:

Gas and Tide laundry detergent. Righteous napalm sine 1962!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:28 | 3429596 Monedas
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Viejo !  What's the recipe ? A cup of tide for each gallon of gas ?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:37 | 3429632 otto skorzeny
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i think you use soap flakes- but you ratio seems ok.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:12 | 3429697 Monedas
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I guess you could add soap until you get the desired thickness ? I'd add my own little personal touch .... infected human waste and abrasive sand .... to promote post burn infections ?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 04:18 | 3429959 UP Forester
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Field expedient fougasse is one large box of tide to a 55 drum of gas.

Just sayin'.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 02:44 | 3429899 ILLILLILLI
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Any student of military history and tactics knows about these two items:


Both exceptionally effective...


Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:55 | 3429487 DoChenRollingBearing
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Good ammo site run by robots:

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:54 | 3429481 F. Bastiat
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Clearly, Hussein Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool communist and domestic enemy of the Constitution of the United States.

That much is absolutely certain.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:20 | 3429562 lakecity55
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Yes, this would be the best spy novel ever, except it's true, and Skeeter is gonna kill a hell of a lot of people before the bunker scene at the end.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 22:55 | 3429483 F. Bastiat
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Clearly, Hussein Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool communist and domestic enemy of the Constitution of the United States.

That much is absolutely certain.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:03 | 3429522 FIAT
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"barry X, the abandoned b a s t a r d of an illicit union between a deranged, teen aged, communist w h o r e and malcolm X, has his instructions from london to permanently destroy America and her economy via debt, debase her currency, euthanize the greatest generation, demoralize her military via homosexuality, exhaust it in a wild goose chase in the "graveyard of empires", and disarm it via fiat. He does hate America, especially White America, and does love his works of treason and destruction. It is through this that all his actions may be understood.

I hope the military honors their oaths, steps up and eliminates this a s s h o l e. This son of a w h o r e is the walking definition of a "domestic enemy" and we won't sit still anymore for his treason.

NEVER EVER forget the mainstream media that conspired to foist this muslim nation wrecking b a s t a r d on America is responsible. They intentionally sold us this traitor.

The demokratik soviet is comprised of 22% of the population (blacks, jews, queers, transgenders, illegals, communists, muslims and abortionists) An amalgam of misfits tied together by nothing more than malevolent envy and hate for Property Rights and Natural Law.

This man is actively destroying an America he was raised to hate, is supported by communists in the media and must be neutralized for the good of all.

It should be considered that barry soetoro is a communist or muslim plant groomed to completely destroy America from within."

-written 4+ years ago. author unknown

addendum: he is a communist nigger agitator puppet who serves as a symbol of insulting degradation

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:28 | 3429593 F. Bastiat
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Today's liberals are little more than soul-less bipedal slime buckets.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:36 | 3429631 FIAT
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They're not "liberal" about anything other than giving away other peoples' money, property, and labor to the mob

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:10 | 3429692 Itgoestoeleven
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Please refrain from violent speach. Son of a Whore, fucktard traitor..... not very nice but All acceptable. To condone violence towards others is immoral.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:16 | 3429699 FIAT
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drop dead asshole.

everything written is true

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:17 | 3429708 Itgoestoeleven
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So you ae one of them?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:14 | 3429700 Itgoestoeleven
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That is what they do. I do not want to do what they do. I am pretty sure you do not either.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:32 | 3429742 Itgoestoeleven
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Why not try him in court? To suggest that others eliminate him is from the .gov playbook. Drone strike anyone?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:50 | 3429769 Itgoestoeleven
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hey FIAT,

I gave you an up arrow. you are right. I am an ashole. That is quite a list of people to hate. Fix It Again Tony, but what is wrong with you can't be fixed. There is no talking to guys like you. We used to call guys like you DUD rounds. Never know when they are going to exjplode and take the closest people with them. 


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:45 | 3429838 ShakaZulu
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And guess which .1% among the demokratik is financing the whole enchilada?

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:45 | 3429661 22winmag
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By the time his 2nd term is over, the people, including "the people" in the U.S. military are going to have to tear down the whole criminal enterprise brick by brick. The criminal government and those who side with them must be purged by force of arms, there is no other solution.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:08 | 3429505 Monedas
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Heard on Rush: In a gun free school .... the only way to protect the children .... is to drill them .... on rushing the shooter .... when he is changing .... his new smaller, Biden approved magazines .... like a squad of little suicide Norko infantry .... rushing a machine gun nest .... with sharpened pencils and scissors !  (The Norko colour was my doing !)

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:06 | 3429531 UP Forester
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Um, last I saw Gaddafi/Khadafi/Qaddafi alive on film, everyone in the crowd was armed, and he was standing in the back of a convertible as they fired into the air.

His problem was he was in control of the nation's oil reserves, and made the major sin of trying to institute a gold-backed currency.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:41 | 3429641 otto skorzeny
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I've seen those videos also-but once you are on the outs with  CIA,mossad and big oil you can kiss your ass goodbye-no matter how much your own people love you.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:27 | 3429730 natty light
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Highest average income in Africa.

Highest literacy ibid.

Freedom for women.

Free university education abroad.

He ousted the British puppet king in 1969 in a popular (other than his nemises in Benghazi) coup.



Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:45 | 3429987 Taint Boil
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1. There were no electricity charges in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya -- Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi's father has died while his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms -- all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it -- not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya had no external debt and its reserves amounted to $150 billion.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:18 | 3430049 negative rates
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We can change that in the name of democracy in a heart beat.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:24 | 3430140 overmedicatedun...
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taint boil, is your 16 item list complete?? seems some libyians wanted more, why did they throw in with the western pawns to overthrow gaddafi?? Obuma's peace prize was put on the line.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:08 | 3429535 Zgangsta
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Be careful. While everyone's paying attention to the Second Amendment, they'll sneak in and take your Third Amendment rights away!

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:13 | 3429545 Debt Slave
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Why is Hitler's picture included in the collage? He didn't ban guns.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:21 | 3429570 Gamma735
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He limited guns.  Only Nazi party members could own guns.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:32 | 3429606 Monedas
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He was a Socialist .... like the rest of the boobs !

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:15 | 3429554 lakecity55
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We need to call Terminex to rid ourselves of these Termites.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:20 | 3429563 Gamma735
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2nd Amendment is a solution for tyranny.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:20 | 3429568 ebworthen
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"There are a lot of overgrown children in this country today who have NO understanding of the consequences of the path our society has been set on."


The path to Tyranny is straight and wide when the populace is disarmed, and not allowed to own the same guns the police and military carry.

The Second Amendment of The Constitution is explicitly to allow the populace to arm themselves as a militia against tyranny; it has nothing to do with hunting or target practice.

We must live with extant technology, and not pretend that pushing the populace into the dark ages while allowing those in power to control the tools of the 21st century will somehow lead to justice and liberty.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:47 | 3429767 DarthVaderMentor
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I grew up and lost my childhood innocence in an instant East of Camaguey, Cuba in late 1958 when I saw a Catholic priest machine gun unarmed civilians at a checkpoint. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:31 | 3429820 ShakaZulu
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Wow!  Heavy man.  I lost mine when I discovered my Dad's playboy stash.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:26 | 3429581 yogibear
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The Second Amendment of The Constitution is explicitly to allow the populace to arm themselves as a militia against tyranny; it has nothing to do with hunting or target practice.


Amen brother!


I sure looks like society is welcoming tyranny with open arms in the US.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:43 | 3429646 22winmag
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70+ million American gun owners beg to differ.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:44 | 3429627 Monedas
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A well regulated militia .... we never got .... National and State guards .... are organs of the government .... not the people .... we should have private militias .... with tanks .... well regulated .... OK .... until we feel it's necessary .... to revolt !  A militia is like a bull whip in your hand .... it's working .... even when you don't use it !  These smug assholes in government don't fear us enough .... that must be remedied .... we need a balance of power !

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:38 | 3429636 22winmag
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Ask the starving Polish and Jewish resisters who lived in the sewers of Warsaw and fought the Germans tooth and nail what they think of gun control. I'm sure only a small handful are still alive, but I've seen interviews.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:48 | 3429666 FIAT
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You go ask them.  

They're all in Brighton Beach now.

Tue, 04/09/2013 - 23:45 | 3429655 Bicycle Repairman
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The right to bear arms is not just enshrined in the second amendment.  There is legislation and case laws that invalidate the gun grabbers arguments.  See the Dick (yes) act, for one.

At this point it isn't even about guns anymore.  The President, Vice President and the media have committed a lot of political capital to this and they have been beaten.  Cleanly.  They are now desperately seeking any kind of face saving maneuver that is available.  They have only a few months more before the reality of Obamacare kicks in and they are reduced to lame duck status.

So this isn't about "the kids" or "safety" or "Gaby" or "Lee Harvey Oswald" or "old people using guns to end their lives".  It's about a President saving face.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:03 | 3429674 Monedas
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Remember that Walmart in Jacksonville that was flash mobbed .... I'd like to see congress and the WH flashed mobbed when EBT cards stop working .... Obama wouldn't open fire on a mob of niggers ! I'd join the mob .... as a white agent provacateur .... with a bull horn .... I get along well with blacks .... I don't use the N word .... of course !

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:35 | 3429825 Alcoholic Nativ...
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this got upvoted on zerohedge, really?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:45 | 3430196 AnAnonymous
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The surprise would have been the contrary: not being upvoted.

'American' nature is eternal.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:01 | 3429684 q99x2
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Thought it was coincidental tonight to see Charlie Musselwhite playing blues harmonica to "I'm Going to Wait Until the Midnight Hour," at the white house with the Obamas dancing; all on the eve of the possible nuclear strike against or in response to N.Korea.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:49 | 3429845 natty light
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Wed, 04/10/2013 - 00:43 | 3429759 palmereldritch
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The picture summary is all well and good but let's get real.

Those tyrants were just ultimately employees.  The dots have been connected.

At least include a row of pictures at the top in deference and tribute to their employers, the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Windsors and other related inbred feudal financial blood lusting genocidal parasites.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:48 | 3430202 AnAnonymous
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Those tyrants were just ultimately employees. The dots have been connected.

In 'american' societies, the political rulers rule through the consent of the governed aka WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class.

Rulers are mere servants with no authority of their own. They get that authority and legitimacy to act from the 'american' middle class.

The 'american' middle class is the ultimate authority in an 'american' society.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:19 | 3430315 palmereldritch
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Speaking of employees, shouldn't you be focussed on attacking Seoul?....

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:25 | 3429809 viedoklis_lv
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Gaddafi gave weapons to civilians, trained women how to use weapons - you have completley wrong information/view about Libya.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:30 | 3429923 AnAnonymous
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Or he might have the right information.

As an 'american' though, he can only sidetrack and avoid facing the proposition offered by 'americanism'.

He must examine other propositions in order to conclude that they do not work.

Does not mean that the 'american' proposition works but at least, it fits the job at diverting, luring away, side tracking... which fits the 'american' nature.

Bankers (politicians etc) are only 'americans' who happens to work in the banking (political...) sector

Just as this guy is only an 'american' who happened to write on the guns issue.

Same nature exhibited. The 'american' nature.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:44 | 3429928 akak
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I believe I smell a rotting river pig here.

Intellectual decay?  Check.  Moral decomposition?  Check.  Hypocrisy flowing from all orifices?  Check.  Inability to self-indict?  Check check.

Yep, it has the unique hypocritical stench of Chinese Citizenism about it.

Oh well, just have to bear with it.  Or throw it back in the river.

In China, no one can hear your drinking water scream.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:51 | 3430021 Poor Grogman
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Could you be more specific?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:54 | 3430091 SmallerGovNow2
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Fuck off AA.  You don't like America ... fucking leave...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:34 | 3429824 Whalley World
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I have been to Cuba enough to posit that they would have been picked clean by the banking elite if not for the revolution way before Greece or Cyprus.  They may be broke, but those Cuban's are not offing themselves like the Europeans due to high debt.

When you see a homeless guy aak for money ask yourself how much they owe on their line of credit or master card.  I used to ask them to help me out when i owed a mortgage credit line and visa.

Sorta the same thing

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:52 | 3430090 Moe Howard
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Yes, a slavery without possessions and material goods, is very much perferable to one with such things.


I choose niether.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 01:53 | 3429850 ShakaZulu
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"Don't be afraid!" Elisha told him. "For there are more on our side than on theirs!"  And Jehovah opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Immortals on fiery war wagons!  Even better than an AK-47.

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 05:03 | 3435500 Colonial Intent
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Jesus said it best.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything you do. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. Serve them sincerely because of your reverent fear of the Lord.

Colossians 3:22

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:26 | 3429921 AnAnonymous
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Ah, one favourite of mine. Wonderful.

As usual, 'americans', as they can not face 'americanism', are forced to side track.

The 'american' proposition is that the gun ownership avoids tyranny.

That is the proposition to examine, not the potential dangers of gun control.

As this 'american' author is such a fantasist so disconnected with reality (a waste of 'american' talent who could have made in Hollywood as a script writer), he also prefers to peddle the highly fantasical tale that "they" are after your guns in the mecca of 'americanism' on Earth, 'America'.

'Americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor. The US is the top dog of the'american' pack, the ganglord of the syndicate of 'americanism'. An impossible move to an extorter/farmer is to surrender the means of coercion employed in the schemes of farming the poor, extorting the weak.

Guns play a heavy part in that kind of schemes: an extorter can not drop the gun he uses to coerce the extorted.

As 'americans' can not end their nature, they will keep extorting the weak, farming the poor and as such, will never drop their guns. They simply do not have that option on the table.

Expect even more guns as 'americans' feel insecured, fearing that dire straits might lead the extorted and farmed to surge.

Another consequence: in an extortion/farming scheme, primary enforcers of the scheme are given predominance. They are the backbone of the society.

Expect even more worshipping to the military, even more free pass given to the police.

Such is the way in an 'american' world.

And yeah, guns proved nothing when it comes to avoidance of tyranny. And all when it comes to enforcement of tyranny.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 03:39 | 3429926 akak
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Ah, more repeations of the same tired propaganda bits, Chinese Citizenism style.  Getting very stale, like ten year-old moldy fruitcake.

Always 'american' this and 'american' that, as if no other nation on earth, in particular the #1 resource blobbing-upper, China, does not consumptionize anything.  This is quite stupid to make the case for, make me laugh even.

But stupid citizenism is as Chinese Citizenism does.

Round and round the Mobius strip the insanitation and bigotry run, never stopping, never ending, always back in the same place, digging ruts into the same offuscated ground.

No end to it.  No sense to it either.  But that is only par for the course when one begins the Long March of Hypocritizenism and Insanitation.

It's all part of the Chinese Citizenism world.  Have fun in the muck!

Be sure to wipe afterward.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:44 | 3430190 AnAnonymous
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This is an 'american' world.

This is 'americans' who cling to and propagate the view that guns prevent tyranny.

But, hey, 'americanism' is as 'american' does.

As such, 'americans' must obey their eternal nature.

Can they asses their own proposition that guns prevent tyranny? No, they cant.

So they must sink into fantasy. The previous post illustrates that.

Chinese citzenship there, dismissal of domination of the world by 'americans' etc

Assessment of the proposition that guns prevent tyranny? No, cant do.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:58 | 3430233 Colonial Intent
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Its not all americans its just the ones on ZH who are maoists.

They believe that individual rights are only guaranteed at the barrel of a gun, they are incapable of following laws designed to protect the community.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:53 | 3431281 Canucklehead
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Are you talking about the criminals, or those who are protecting themselves?

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 13:17 | 3437155 Colonial Intent
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Are you suggesting there's a difference between the two?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:48 | 3429971 jjsilver
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It's not defending the 2nd Amendment, it's about our natural rights, we are born with these rights and no other can rule over us unless WE CONSENT. The Government swore an oath to the constitution, and when they violate that oath they are commiting treason and must be removed from office. The People out here over the land that understand the Law are working to hold public officers accountable to their oath.

You will not see this on any of their controlled media outlets. They control every television, radio, newspaper, major book publishing outlets, reuters, assoc press etc. etc.


Consent obtained through deceit is invalid. People v. Maass, 981 P.2d 177 (Colo. App. 1988).


Fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents and even judgments."
U.S. v. Throckmorton, 98 US 61


Fraud destroys the validity of everything into which it enters. Nudd v. Burrows, 91 U.S. 426(1875)

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:12 | 3429994 MFLTucson
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Try to convince the ignorant blacks and liberal unamerican Jews that this goverment wants to enslave them.  Would only work is the President was a white Republican!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:23 | 3430005 css1971
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Where governments kill their people. The numbers dwarf other forms of murder.

The simple truth is that these guys will and have killed millions before they will admit they were wrong.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:44 | 3430007 Acet
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Anybody that survived any kind of despotism or even their descendants fights harder to avoid it happening (which is why me, as a Portuguese - a country that was under Fascism until 74 - find a lot of the Police and Surveilance State shit I see in the UK - where I live atm - seriously scary so I end up participating in a lot of UK based forums, even though it's not my country).

The author screwed up the article when he singled out Communist despotist.

It seems to be quite a common blind spot (or maybe Achilles heel) in American libertarians: the inability to see that the right-wing speech is as much subverted as the left-wing one to bring about statism.

Remember, consumerism, removing Glass-Steagal and the liberalization of banking (which brought us the corrupt, broken system we have now) were justified with the right-wing speech of individualism, free trade and trickle down economics, not with the left-wing speech of society, state control over natural monopolies and helping the less well off.

In the end there are good ideas on both sides and yet both can and are abused. Yet, while the psychopats in both fields work in tandem for personal benefit (they share the ideology of numero uno above all else), the moderates keep themselves apart due to having been brainwashed by divisive propaganda (divide and conquer: oldest trick in the book).

Unless this changes, the US is screwed.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 05:57 | 3430028 Poor Grogman
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The US is not screwed until the constitution is torn up and the last patriot is thrown into a FEMA camp.

A lot will have to go wrong before that happens...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:47 | 3430079 SmallerGovNow2
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I'd like to share in your optimism.  Unfortunately, I don't think there are enough of us to stop the train wreck that we are on...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:56 | 3430095 Moe Howard
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I guess you don't get it - left or right, it's all the same. They have the same goal.


I didn't vote on any of the things you mentioned, they were and are imposed from above by fiat.


I don't see what a group of tyrants do as discrediting individualism and personal liberty because they mouth the words.

Voting other than local elections seems to have no effect. Therefore, we must reduce the reach of government to local only.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 06:06 | 3430038 billwilson
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The drones will get you ... you paranoid wanker.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:01 | 3430101 geewhiz
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The real issue is how many Americans realize, that as we speak, thier government is in full treason mode.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:08 | 3430116 spinone
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Lets all stop this macho chest beating for a second.  Lets hope and pray it never comes to the point where we need to defend our freedom from our government.  They have drones, tanks, body armour, dogs, grenades, claymores, bombs, missiles, communication, command and control, and sharp sticks. Not a cakewalk.  Not fun or glorious.  Awful. The Afghans can do it, and so could we, but just realize what we're talking about.  Don't wish for it. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:22 | 3430139 bunnyswanson
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It would be a battle that would last years and would be a horrible site.  I see DHS and it appears as if they are itching for trouble.

In situations such as this, the best approach would be to create a court of highly regarded individuals (with full armor uniforms) and create a document that states the facts, chronological order, money trail, and begin a court hearing parallel to the "official" yet corrupted courts available to the people of the world.  Offering rewards to whistleblowers through lenient fines and their ability to write a book would entire those with a grudge who always exist in a world where fairness does not exist.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:27 | 3430149 overmedicatedun...
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bunny, where are all the lawyers and profs at law schools?? remember the days of mock trials at law schools?? today not a wimper from the law school profs at the obvious crimes of wall st, banks and our masters in DC, anybody for the rule of law?? why are they all silent??

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:09 | 3430928 bunnyswanson
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Gag order.  Fear of retaliation and being black balled from their industry or field.  Loyal and rewarded investors.  Same country club.  Weak characters.  i don't know...

Sure, globalization sounds lovely but without an election, so the majority decide exactly who rules the world, we'll be setting up future man's destiny right back to the dark ages.  Centralization has already proven to not be in the best interest of the customers.  Customers are being phased out of the picture.

An attorney apparently represented an OWS member in court.  His father told me that it ended up being an impediment when it came to being accepted whereever it was he was applying.  But they did get it straightened out, I recall he added.

Judge Napolitano - Explains it.


Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:00 | 3430240 Proofreder
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In most cases


it takes real, live people to don the armor, train the dogs, throw the grenades, drop the bombs, and wield the sharp sticks.

Oath Keepers

Probably our last and only hope when it all comes down. (and I hope it don't land on you)


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