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Goldman Buying Gold, Selling Treasurys To Muppets Whom It Advises To Do Opposite

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There was a brief period of confusion for a while when Goldman didn't have clear muppet-stomping trades on the book, and those who wished to frontrun the Goldman prop desk (and do the opposite of the muppet flow) were stuck furiously scratching their head. And granted while it's not a "Stolper", tonight we got two gifts (in the parlance of Whitney Tilson) with Goldman first telling its clients to sell gold following Goldman's lowering of its price target for the yellow metal (which as always means the hedge fund known as Goldman is buying what its clients are selling). And then, moments ago, we also learned that Goldman is also selling the 10 Year, which it advise muppets to buy.

First on gold:

Given gold’s recent lackluster price action and our economists’ expectation that the acceleration in US growth later this year to above-trend pace will support US real rates, we are lowering our USD-denominated gold price forecast once again. Our new forecast is further below the forward curve with year-end targets of $1,450/toz in 2013 and $1,270/toz in 2014. As a result, we recommend closing the long COMEX gold position that we first initiated on October 11, 2010 for a potential gain of $219/toz, with the risk reversal overlay expired on March 25. Our long-term gold price forecast (2017+) remains at $1,200/toz: while higher inflation may be the catalyst for the next gold cycle, this is likely several years away.

Or several months ago if you are the price of unleaded gas in Tokyo and pretty much anything else. It gets better:

While there are risks for modest near-term upside to gold prices should US growth continue to slow down, we see risks to current prices as skewed to the downside as we move through 2013. In fact, should our expectation for lower gold prices continue to prove correct, the fall in prices could end up being faster and larger than our forecast, as aggregate speculative net long positions across COMEX futures and gold ETFs remain near record highs. We therefore recommend initiating a short COMEX gold position as our ECS Top Trade #8, implemented through an S&P GSCI® front-month rolling index to further benefit from the contango in the COMEX future curve, targeting a move to $1,450/toz with a stop at $1,650/toz. While we may be end up too early in entering this trade, we prefer that to being late given our belief that the skew to current prices is to the downside.

Remember, however, to please execute the trade with your friendly Goldman trader, who will gladly buy all the gold you have to sell all the way down to $1450.

And just out moments ago, Goldman goes bearish (like everyone else) on the 10 Year - because you see, nobody has heard of the perpetually wrong "Great Rotation" call in 2010... or 2011... or 2012.... or 2013... Or at least Goldman clients haven't. And apparently not the Fed, which just can't get enough of buying just this.

We recommend going short 10-year US Treasuries via June futures (TYM3) at the current level of 132-20 for an initial price target of 130-00 and stops on a close above 134-00. In yields space, the corresponding move is from the current 1.76% to around 2.10%, and stops on a close around 1.60% - corresponding to the lows from last November.


The rationale for our recommendation rests on the following four considerations:

  • The valuation case for shorting Treasuries has become more compelling after the decline in yields following a worse-than-expected US jobs report and the BoJ’s easing. Our assessment of the macroeconomic outlook for the US and the main advanced economies has not changed; if anything, it has improved following the large fiscal and monetary stimulus in Japan.
  • The market appears to have already factored in a softening in US growth during the second quarter, after a stronger-than-expected first quarter. Our US GDP Growth Basket (a ‘tracking portfolio’ of US real GDP growth) has retraced all the gains recorded between last November and mid-February. This should protect the trade should the forthcoming batch of macro data, starting with retail sales this Friday, be weaker than earlier in the year. That said, a near-term risk to the trade stems from an escalation of tensions in North Asia. So far, these developments appear to have had a small impact on global asset prices.
  • We think the most persistent part of the BoJ's ‘surprise’ is a flattening of the 10s-30s segment of the yield curve. This is mostly a domestic play, with limited spill-over effects for overseas fixed income markets. We have likened this move to that resulting from the Fed’s ‘Operation Twist’: the slope of the ultra-long-end of the Treasury has remained in a 60-80bp range, while the level of 10-year yields has moved around. Interestingly, 10-year Japanese yields are heading back to pre-BoJ announcement levels.
  • Treasury bond futures have tried to break above the upper end of a broad price range in place since July 2012, and failed. Short positioning in the rates market is lighter, according to anecdotal evidence.

Thank you Goldman - we can always rely on you.


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Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:28 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Same old, same old: Do as they do, not as they say.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:29 | Link to Comment Rubicon
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Are Goldman clients generally retarded?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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We like to call them....special.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:38 | Link to Comment MagicHandPuppet
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But no one will pity the muppet.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Croesus
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Surprised GS didn't recommend their clients go long bitcoin.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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They'll sell them Bitcoins.....but they have to pay in gold.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 11:03 | Link to Comment 12ToothAssassin
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I thought the rule was to always do the opposite of what Goldman suggests?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment GrinandBearit
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The moment they do bitcon will crash.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:54 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Lugnut
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stop harshing my buzz

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment malikai
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They won't do that until they already have a sizeable holding to sell.

Which helps explain the interesting silence from the bank "community" re BTC.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:28 | Link to Comment Croesus
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The banking community will never adopt bitcoin......they may be corrupt, they may be assholes, but they're not stupid.

They'd just unveil their own system, since they already have wide distribution channels in place, plus the subservience of politicians everywhere (who could legally mandate the bank's version).

ALL governments are feeling the pinch, and looking for ways to increase their if you Bitcoiners think tax-free status is going to stay with BTC indefinitely, you're only kidding yourselves. 

Like I've said in other places: "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Anasteus
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The good news, however, is that no one will be asking the banks for their opinion.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:39 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Bitcoin doesn't have any tax-free status in the US (or worldwide for US citizens/taxpayers).

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Ayr Rand
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How do you know that the banks did not buy 90% of the bitcoin back when it was $0.14 each?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:53 | Link to Comment toys for tits
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It's too early, wait 'til BTC peaks.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:32 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Maybe they're just illiterate.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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Are Goldman's clients retarded?

Just the Muppets and desperate ones, which they fry up and serve to their really important clients who pay them the biggest fees and commissions.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:28 | Link to Comment deKevelioc
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Waiting for Stopler to make a call on Bitcoin.  I suspect he would advise going long.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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"Are Goldman clients generally retarded?"

perhaps, but so is a society that tolerates these folks

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:28 | Link to Comment darteaus
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[Gasp!]  Really?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Of course!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:27 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Damn they despise and abuse their clients.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment swissaustrian
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Gold price analysts should just stop predicting, here's their track record from 2007-2012

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:32 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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Noone is stupid enough to listen to these courrpt Jews.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:34 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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You should look into a Benjamite broker.....those cats are great.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:41 | Link to Comment css1971
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Wow. Two spelling mistakes, bigotry and completely wrong, all in a single sentence.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:45 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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You suggest that spelling errors are indicative of bigotry?  Well, jack off, I am Jewish myself!  I hate that group and I hate what the Jewish money changers have done to America so, get F__!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:03 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Well....there you go.


The tribe of Judah has spoken. As usual...the tribe of Dan is sleeping in....again.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment bingo was his name
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Does this mean Goldman is going put out some "We Buy Gold" signs in front of all their buildings

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:33 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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No, this means, they just did that ...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:45 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Not only do they buy gold....but they'll extract your gold filled teeth for free.


50 cents on the dollar.......less if you want something for the pain.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:41 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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For the sheep that giddily go into those "We Buy Gold" shops to get an injection of fiat, I wonder if it ever occurs to them to ponder why someone would be in business to buy something.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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no, their placard says "we buy governments"

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:36 | Link to Comment The Dancer
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But but but but, so what is Bill Gross up to, front and center on Market Watch saying he is bullish on all that, what's a guy to believe....could they be talking their book, looking for someone to take the other side of their trade in possibly thin markets.....

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:37 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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If this doesn't scream out to sell stawks and buy Ts and gold I don't know what else to say.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:38 | Link to Comment Dr.Engineer
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Can someone explain to me how GS can continue to make up these forecasts and still retain some sort of reputation?  Why do people hold their money with these guys?

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:40 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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It is a way to buy influence in D.C..

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment swissaustrian
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Because most of them are institutional investors who are managing money on behalf of other people. It's not their money. Take for example the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund, a $600bn behemoth. They got effed in subprime and in PIIGS bonds by GS and they're still clients. They're not getting paid for performance, but for AUM.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:50 | Link to Comment Dr.Engineer
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Swissaustrian, thank you for this insight.  What you measure you improve.  So they aren't measured against this.  Wow.  There is no feedback in the system and that is why things are freewheeling.

I am stunned.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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Yep, if these money managers follow Goldman's advice they are safe, even if they lose money like everyone else. If they go against Goldman they can be fired, even if they are right, and especially if they are wrong.

Goldman exists to work these psychological arbs in the investment world to the max, primarily for their own gain. And just like the individual voter in our government system, the individual investor has little say or influence in the process or the outcome.  

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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There are many "talented" folks but orange county remains one of the more idiotic institutional investors. I blame Disney

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:52 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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The forecasts are just cover and provide an alibi for public pension fiduciaries  to disperse retiree funds to them (with the promise of a cushy job when they leave their official gov. positions in a few years) This way if anyone should ever grill them on how they managed to lose so much money they can say it was Goldman's fault blah blah blah.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:41 | Link to Comment augustusgloop
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Forecast is clever: sets target just below the critical support level (1530-1536 or thereabouts) for gold or roughly 3% change from gold's current price Bold call! If gold goes down, they can keep forecast. If gold rallies, they can update forecast on new data (economy deteriorating, debt monetezaton), saying gold came within 3% of their forecast. When gold continues its uptrend, they have it in their personal vaults.

I prefer Soros's far more nuanced comments. After saying gold wasn't working against cyprus like disasters (it wasn't) he further stated that he didn't think it would go down based on central bank buying. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment monopoly
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Excellent question and I wish I had the answer. Thank goodness Lloyd had enough spare cash to buy another home, in the Hamptons. Now that is growth. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:43 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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And right on cue Bill Gross turns bullish on the 10Y. omg lol hahahahahaha!!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:41 | Link to Comment knukles
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Means Goldie is working Gross's 10yr tsy sell program

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:45 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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They are so good at guessing the price of Gold in 2014 but no guessing on the size of the national debt in 2014.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Once all of the manipulation passes away, the correlation between the rise in (global) government debt and gold prices will emerge.  The rest is a frontal assault to get weak hands to cave to group-think.  For me, when the panicked CBs and their agents play hammer time on PMs, I just pull up the usdebtclock site and polish my stack.

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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In history I’ve never known of a non-manipulated market. The shift may leave something appearing unmolested for a time but to decide the market itself won’t be manipulated is… naïve.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Lady Heather...UNCLE
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Just caught up with my ole mate Rip Van Winkle; hadn't seen him in about 30 years!. He reckons the markets the markets are alot more fucked than he remembered and he intends to take some Imovane...asked him to leave me some.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Unless you're suffering from massive insomnia, Imovane won't do you any good. Better take a walk in the park.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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Want to get sick?  Read the first line of this article.  Goldman Sachs is a cesspool of liars and cheats!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:55 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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Yes but, 'God's Work' must be carried on...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 07:55 | Link to Comment Vooter
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I just KNEW we shouldn't have executed that McVeigh guy...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:08 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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I can tell you for a fact, gold will never see 1270.  That price implies the US dollar money supply will only be 8% backed by gold at the end of the year.  It has never been that low.  The last time it got to 11% the entire system collapsed with the tech bubble and we went into a 13 year depression which continues to this day.  Then gold prices exploded.  The system requires a credible backing of gold.  8% implies a massive bubble in all assets other than gold.  And the one we have now is already cracking.

You are crazy if you are not buying gold.  This is a 85% discount already.  Owning physical with no leverage "is" massive leverage vs what has to happen.  Physical is so mispriced, it is as good as an option here.   

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Vooter
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Agreed. Physical is being vacuumed up at the current price, and the vacuuming will only intensify as the price goes down. Keep stacking--they're desperate...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Gosh, wonder why someone would take delievery of all that cheap falling price shit?.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:15 | Link to Comment Hail Spode
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Goldman did put out a memo to its people not to call their clients "muppets" anymore.* *nothing was said about not TREATING them like muppets, just don't call it that.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment blindman
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it is all part of the market makers function, this
disemboweling and denuding of the usa and the dollar.
global markets have a broader time line and greater
scope so what appears to be fraud and duplicity, political
treason and subversion of the legal system are merely
fleeting adjustments to temporal market conditions.
lets review. the money system is hijacked then perverted
and poisoned, the political process is distorted and bought
along with the legal system and education system. the media
and information systems are controlled and diluted and centralized.
production is removed and offshored along with finance and
wealth accumulation.
then the price of gold is manipulated, all pricing and price
discovery made opaque and the assets are sold artificially low
to asia? etc... while the reputation and welfare of the usa goes quietly
down the toilet, as it has become the hit man nation for hire,
even having done a hit job or two on its own citizens in its
own cities. all along the people or populations see nothing as
they can not differentiate between conspiracy as a crime and conspiracy
as a theory. some how they have never realized of forgot that
there are actual crimes that people commit, and some are conspiracies,
and the perpetrators of these crimes do not have eye patches or
wear hoodies and sometimes these people do not suffer guilt and then
speaking of confessions , what made b. Madoff confess so quick?
he was just making a market.
Bernie Madoff.
when the country formerly known as the sua/ strike that, usa is
completely shelled out and in debt and thoroughly detested by
every other nation in the world, has sold all it resources and
assets and all its citizens are debt serfs with all its wealth
transferred to offshore accounts or foreign powers then I suppose
the great work of our market makers and monetary authorities
will be completed.
then Bernie Madoff gets his pardon and can run for office, buy
an election somewhere like new York city or Washington d.c..

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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Goldman never once mentions the word "Physical" I'm inclined to believe paper Gold will be down if not worthless in 2014.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment jjsilver
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All they have is paper, no physical. Another act of desperation, massive physical withdrawals from the LBMA and crimex, default coming

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Esso
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SNAGU, bitchez!

(Situation Normal, All Goldman'd Up!)

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Plata is money
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Their calls are often right short-term. For example, the short gold call a few months ago was a solid bet with a stop at 1650. Am I the only one seeing this? With this new bet, maybe we get one more strong spike lower before the rally higher? Maybe they need to get Cramer to tout the same horseshit on TV today?

Long term and medium term they constantly fail, but that is the idea isn't it? Sucker in fish, then make real money.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Actually it immediately went up 50 points last time they said sell.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment monopoly
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"The acceleration of growth later this year". Ahh, yes, I see that. Growth in the unemployment rolls, growth in Federal disability claims, growth in food stamps, growth in our debt and of course growth in the great new budget, spelled (spending). Good call Goldman, and no one gets indicted for fleecing their clients.

Gotta love this new Amerika!

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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If I had a bit-coin for every time GS prop desk and GS pronouncements differ; I would have a lot ....

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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even more needed after the crash for the same fiat value...

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 08:57 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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There's just no shortage of muppets it seems.  And when there is we will get outright theft like Cyprus. 

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:42 | Link to Comment moneybots
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And don't forget, Greenspan told the public to buy stocks.


IBD shows 6 distribution days over the last few weeks in both the Nasdaq and SP500.  Remember what happpened after Greenspan told home buyers to get adjustable rate loans.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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Where can I get some of this gold that the GOLDMAN is selling?  Because my usual sources are all out of stock.   Or perhaps they have some nice paper gold to sell me - which has the advantage of being light-wieght, value-less, and hence risk-free to store, and available in infinite quantities.  Fuckheads.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:06 | Link to Comment AlphaHunter001
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"Goldman recommended closing a long Comex gold position initiated on Oct. 11, 2010"


I don't know what everyone is jumping on GS for, that's a pretty damn good call from the fall of 2010.


How many suckers bought gold at over $1800 an ounce? LoL

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Vooter
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"I don't know what everyone is jumping on GS for, that's a pretty damn good call from the fall of 2010."

We're jumping on GS because they EXIST.

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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I know of only one but the buying isn’t the sucker part, it’s the non-hedging. I warned that one can hedge (and should) using GLD calls or puts. I had none yet was selling gold at that 1800 level bought in at 1300 net of all fees for delivery, insurance, currency conversion. I would have preferred to buy, not sell, and would have used GLD puts alongside it (which would have been just fine) but at the time my finances led me to a sell against my preference. That one who didn’t hedge wouldn’t touch options… well, that’s how things are without hedging but it’s better to have gold than have none. I, for one, prefer to get more gold now I’ve just got more silver delivered in hand & ready for the next boating accident.

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:47 | Link to Comment The Dancer
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ZH is now a "factor" in ALL strategies worked out by many of these big players...just in case ya haven't noticed, they are now reversing their patterns of trading in some markets...don't be flexible and watch for their strategy changes...see gold go down...see silver go down...they can't let ZH be proven right every time or THEY will lose they will throw some red meat to the suckers on some days to keep some sense of creditability with clients and the masses....don't get locked the patterns of their trades....ya must stay in/on the curve to be "in their heads"...and that's the most valuable place to be...."in their head"...that's where the fun is good! Better than money! But not to the greedy;they don't know what fun is!!!!! Egomaniacs live in the own little boxed prison! lol lol

Thu, 04/11/2013 - 22:07 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Indeed, ever since the “no plan B” response to zh on video that’s brought huge attention to ZH & the kinds of questions asked there, and therefore all the related (and proven correct) theories in the questions (comments) and articles.

Also… Bitcoin crash for the muthafuckin win.

As if no one saw that coming …

Wed, 04/10/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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Hmmmm? Switching to JP...........

Gee. I wonder what Blythe has to say about silver??


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