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The IRS May Be Reading Your Emails Right Now

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Libertyblitzkrieg

The IRS Claims it Can Read Your Email…Without a Warrant

Truly remarkable how the establishment views the citizenry.  They quite clearly and openly view themselves as having full ownership of our lives, our work and our privacy.  Actually, they do not think we deserve to have privacy at all.  This is the exact mindset of all tyrannical regimes throughout human history, which is precisely why the founders made sure to include the 4th Amendment in the Constitution of these United States.  For those of you that need a reminder.

The 4th Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So with that in mind, this is what the IRS thinks:


NEW YORK — IRS documents released Wednesday suggest that the tax collection agency believes it can read American citizens’ emails without a warrant.

The files were released to the American Civil Liberties Union under a Freedom of Information Act request. The organization is working to determine just how broadly federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI or the IRS’ Criminal Tax Division interpret their authority to snoop through inboxes.

The idea of IRS agents poking through your email account might sound at the very least creepy, and maybe unconstitutional. But the IRS does have a legal leg to stand on: the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 allows government agencies to in many cases obtain emails older than 180 days without a warrant.

In 1986 they decided this?  Who used email in 1986?

That’s why an internal 2009 IRS document claimed that “the government may obtain the contents of electronic communication that has been in storage for more than 180 days” without a warrant.

Another 2009 file, the IRS Criminal Tax Division’s “Search Warrant Handbook,” showed that the division’s general counsel believed “the Fourth Amendment does not protect communications held in electronic storage, such as email messages stored on a server, because internet users do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.”

What kind of crazy logic is that.  Says who?


Members of Congress recently renewed their efforts to change the 1986 email privacy law to require a warrant. But until then, the ACLU would like the IRS to act on its own and always use a warrant.

I’m sorry, but yes I do expect privacy when I send and email based on the Constitution and human decency, although I know the intelligence agencies do not respect those things.  I can’t remember the last time I decided to cc: NSA; CIA; IRS on my emails.  Do you?

The good news is that there is bipartisan legislation being brought forth to require warrants to read emails.  It is called the ECPA legislation and you can read about it here.

Full article on the IRS here


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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:54 | 3444517 Ahmeexnal
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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:56 | 3444525 prains
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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:10 | 3444559 CH1
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Learn to use Tor.

Or learn to use I2P.

Or learn to use GPG.

Or buy Cryptohippie.

Or build mesh networks.

Or stop using the Internet.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:30 | 3444607 AldousHuxley
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IRS is correct that there is no privacy on the internet... Marketer and governments' dream realized.

Facebook made it even easier. Attention seeking whores have been fully compliant

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:56 | 3444952 johnQpublic
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i always cc: NSA; CIA; IRS because i have nothing to hide.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 15:56 | 3445047 Troll Magnet
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me too. i especially like to send them those chain emails where they have to forward my email to 20 of their friends and relatives or they'll suffer horrible consequences! i *heart* my gubmint!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:36 | 3445106 Scarlett
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Google (and install) cryptocat if you want to use electronic communications to talk about your income and other topics of terrorists.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:29 | 3445211 Troll Magnet
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I love you, Scarlett! Even if you campaigned for that douchebag Obama. But seriously, what the fuck were you thinking???

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:34 | 3444620 redpill
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A lot of the anonymous networks are slower than shit.  For this sort of thing it's actually a better idea to have a foreign e-mail provider.  There are a lot of options for that in countries whose government has not yet become as rabid as that of the U.S.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:43 | 3444623 Banksters
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THE FUCKING Govt does shit that would make the East German statsi blush!


Man, I sure am glad they still allow us to engage in flag waving contests on the 4th of July.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:49 | 3444649 GeezerGeek
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Maybe the Stars and Stripes, but certainly not the Gadsden flag. Tha't the flag of terrorists, you know...

And soon enough the only flag you'll be allowed to wave is the white flag of surrender.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:25 | 3445198 Tunga
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You can always go spy on the IRS! 
Tunga loves fucking with the IRS.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:03 | 3444673 A Lunatic
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Or......... unapologetically express yourself openly and fucking freely. Stop living if FEAR.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:20 | 3444718 TheFourthStooge-ing
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tax evasion Christopher Stangl Stellar Wind Jon Corzine gyrotron Hooterville Monkey-Racing Track semtex Emile Autouri homeland gulag signals intelligence Julie Newmar Fort Meade thermobaric Hedy Lamarr terror bomb Farrah Fawcett mercurochrome anthrax Guantanamo shopping mall AIPAC gloryhole polonium Charles Nelson Reilly claymore mine Dirty Sanchez grenade launcher lutefisk IED assassinate Studebaker Hoch hijack Al Qaida Joyce DeWitt ricin SMERSH electromagnetic pulse Wink Martindale Hezbollah Federal Reserve CIA border Mossad Lady Gaga detonator Lemmiwinks Santorum calutron June Foray plutonium Juarez Bank for International Settlements Cayman Islands Netanyahu buttplug MANPADS nuclear trigger Cleveland Steamer crop duster Howard Cosell Forex Myrna Loy Fx Trading borax LMAX parrot and parakeet training tape International Monetary Fund carbuncle RPG clostridium Olde Frothingslosh ebola Joey Heatherton Dimona smuggle roachclip Butthole Surfers bongwater National Reconnaissance Office Don Rickles Backstreet Boys jimsonweed Edward G. Robinson steganography Lily Langtry Captain Beefheart 27B-6 Lee van Cleef kaopectate

Oops, sorry, the cat was walking on the keyboard again.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:51 | 3444937 akak
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Kim Jong Un missile launch nuclear IMAX suitcase bomb infiltrate Paul Lind dirty device smuggle contaminate Phyllis Diller biological ANFO secret Obama conspiracy ABBA suborn Washington sensitive dildo Britney Spears cash explode radioactive Lawrence Welk anthrax populated monolize speeching means blow up Honey Booboo destroy fallout cream cheese FEMA camps Bozo pustule flag White House attack river pigs hidden Biden kill anchovy commando Chinese terrorist bird flu Duck Dynasty eggplant massacre 'american' chemical destroy hoarding Divine gold evildoers wipe out Fine Young Cannibals citizenism bitchez guns beet confiscate Obama obliterate CIA earthworm infiltrate Pentagon bra hijack motorcade ACORN refuse mob tax smegma Hillary body cavity military Hamas frosting Wall Street obliterate limburger banking Octomom assassinate parangong politician dung IED plant walrus safe deposit IUD Congress Dancing with the US dollar undermine global diatom confidence monolize Kardashian vagina collapse mattering sabotage security protestor lethal herpes conflatulation organized border reacharound enriched Iranian financial jihad

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:53 | 3444947 DoChenRollingBearing
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akak and 4thStooging... saying ALL the things that we would rather not hear!  Ha ha ha!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 15:48 | 3445032 Money Squid
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The words in your post that are certain to be flagged are "dildo Britney Spears"

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:51 | 3446000 hamstercheese
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"Charles Nelson Reilly" also for sure.  Ha haaaaa..!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 21:48 | 3445721 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

... monolize speeching means ... river pigs ... 'american' ... citizenism ... parangong ... dung ... mattering ... conflatulation ...

Ah, ah, seeing I there what you did. Very citizenish offuscation, US 'american' citizenish.

walrus safe

Very clever, US 'american' citizen, very crafty offuscation, as is your eternal nature. Not enough clever to keep Chinese citizenism brainness acuity from discernmentation giving gold coins placement of secrecy in walrus safe stealthously.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 15:41 | 3445017 WillyGroper
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OMG, I can't stop laughing!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:14 | 3444852 Ahmeexnal
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Anyone who still believes in the safety of encrypted protocols is only deluding themselves:

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:54 | 3445135 Scarlett
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Jesus Christ you actually believe a B grade movie outrules the laws of mathematics?  

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 18:54 | 3445147 Ahmeexnal
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My guess is that you have had no real exposure to hard math besides your pathetic high school "math for dummies" courses.

Using a term such as "laws of mathematics"  is a living testament to your infinite ignorance.

Just a week ago, you claimed that your "laws of mathematics" called for a stable, upward moving value of bitcoin, a "currency" fully backed by an opensource algorithm created by someone who may very well be just another creation of the oppressive global regime.

But then again, the fact that you fell for the "hope and change" lies just speaks for itself.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:09 | 3444538 Banksters
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Pyramid outside IRS,+MD.jpg


Pyramid on our Money


Rotschild built Israeli built Supreme Court- see pyramid


And the Irs now claims the right to eye our emails.  Hmmm...  Coincidence?


Bush said in 2000 he wouldn't nation build.  Well, 2 wars Laterand the ultimate tab will be 4-6 trillion dollars.





Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:13 | 3444565 john39
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IRS headquarters is replete with luciferian/NWO symbolism...  but that is just tin foil hat stuff, right?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:26 | 3444598 Banksters
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We the people, right under the capstone.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:55 | 3444950 Colonel Klink
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Seems more to me it's we the people on the headstone.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:05 | 3444646 Pseudo Anonym
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not exactly.  to point this out in such a blatant manner

IRS headquarters is replete with luciferian/NWO symbolism

makes it clear that you are a joo hater, anti-semite pig, and think that it is all the jews' (zionist hofjuden and shtadlans) fault.  edit: </irony & sarc off> that tag was added for stupid junkers who dont get it

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:18 | 3444693 Kirk2NCC1701
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Nice bit of sarcasm, in case this was too subtle for some.  Whether you agree with it, is a separate matter altogether -- in case that too is not so obvious for some.  :-)


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:26 | 3444731 dick cheneys ghost
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The NWO is here. It was ushured in after the fall of the USSR. We have a 'one world currency' in the dollar and the dollar is on its death bed. What will replace it is anyone's guess.........when the dollar finally dies, as all fiat currencies do, the American Empire will fold up like a cheap suit.........

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:06 | 3444828 Pure Evil
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Not to be a contraian dickhead, but the NWO has been around for quite some time. It has taken many forms and presented itself in many ways for many centuries.

Take a look at the pyramid again and try to guess how long that symbol has been around. Then go to the Egytian pyramids and take a birds eye view of the layout. Its well known that the Egytians built the pyramids to line up exactly with the stars located in Orions belt.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't always make it drink.

Not a conspirator here, but these people are really whacked out on some pure LSD.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 21:38 | 3445704 James-Morrison
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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:53 | 3444801 Ahmeexnal
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Isn't the IRS based in Puerto Rico?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:09 | 3445162 Go Tribe
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Tel Aviv

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:32 | 3445218 Tunga
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@ Ahmeexnal; Indeed it is! The Secretary of Internal Revenue is named Melba. As in toast.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:21 | 3444584 e-recep
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masons are proteges of jews, most of them especially the lower ranks don't even know that. there is secrecy because there is cronyism. and what about equal opportunity? jews and masons roll on the floor laughing their asses off. banksters who are not jews are masons.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:11 | 3444839 Pure Evil
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So are Christians. They all pray to the same god, although the Christians added a new god, the son of god, Christ, but they still pray to the one previously defined by the Hebrews mellinia ago, and nearly the same bible. Although the current Christian old testament has been edited and modified to fit the Euro-Centric point of view.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:34 | 3444907 booboo
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Well not really but we will let your wander around the blathersphere mumbling stupid shit all day long because it's fun to read what loopy folk think about............fill in the blank.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:36 | 3444910 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I've noticed that the Christians don't seem to notice that they ignore most of the guidelines in the bible.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:10 | 3445170 Go Tribe
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I've noticed that secularist government employees don't seem to notice that they ignore most of the guidelines in the Constitution. Tis human to err.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:23 | 3444590 Smegley Wanxalot
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Shirley the IRS would only go thru emails to look for deductions that we forgot to take, and thereby increase our refunds. After all, they are the govt, and the govt only looks out for our best interest.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:24 | 3444729 Five8Charlie
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That's true. And stop calling me Shirley.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:41 | 3444773 Banksters
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Shirley works on the plantation for master and thinks she is free.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:44 | 3444780 tarsubil
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I once had a stats course at George Washington and an IRS "customer service" specialist was in it. I joked about if she hid the fact she worked for the IRS and she said people just don't understand how she is trying to help them and got offended and defensive. These fucking retards are reading our emails and honestly believe that they are helping. That is how fucked up our system is.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:32 | 3444850 Pure Evil
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I just wish they come by and help me wipe my ass after I pinch a loaf, or hold my Pillar of Light when I gotta take a piss.

Cause I know once I hit my eighties, I'm gonna need a whole lot of help.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:41 | 3444631 freewolf7
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"I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help."

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:54 | 3444518 LawsofPhysics
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Oh really?  In that case, what gold? Fuck you Benbernanke!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:00 | 3444529 Homeland Security
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Is this an implied threat?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:01 | 3444536 LawsofPhysics
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LOL!! That the laws of Nature and physics will sort it all out, it most definitely a  guarranty.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:16 | 3444570 Kirk2NCC1701
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To the "Average Person" (legal speak) -- like me -- this seems more an expression of Indignation, Disgust or Contempt.  All of which are perfectly legal.  And all of which I share.  As an 'average, law-abiding, tax-paying person'.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:59 | 3444668 GeezerGeek
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Indignation, disgust and contempt, when directed toward the government in general or Obama in person, are signs of one's being a terrorist. Ditto if you feel that way about EBT recipients, undocumented Democrats (uning the Leno definition), abortion, the religion of peace, or anything associated with the 'green' movement. You may be a Hero of the Republic if you direct those emotions toward sellers or buyers of raw milk, people growing food in their front yards, Tea Party members, ...well, you get the idea. 

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:04 | 3444723 wee-weed up
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Indignation, disgust and contempt, when directed toward Obama in person, are not only signs of one's being a terrorist...

they carry the added judgement of one's being raciss!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:00 | 3444519 francis_sawyer
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Bitcoiners... They're on your jocks...


So please... By all means... Continue to entertain us all with your successful trading stories & wonderful profits on a public blog...

Neverending clown show... [Notwithstanding: Upstairs ^^^^^^ is CH1 telling you, on a public blog, how to try to hide from the IRS... Reminds me of Steve Cohen, of Studio 54 fame, bragging on TV about how "What the IRS doesn't know won't hurt 'em"]... That was a few months before they put him away... & he was dealing with cash...

Go ahead CH1... Be a hero... I'll bake you a cake with a file in it...


Look people... The 'concept' of the IRS sucks... Nobody likes the IRS or what they represent... But that's the way things are... DEATH & TAXES... You're doing NOBODY a service by trying to come up with ways to cleverly use 'techno-geek-dom' to skirt the system... If you want a new system, then start a revolution, get people involved, & take it to the source... All this 'nibbling around the edges' isn't going to change anything... In fact ~ It's more likely to produce the OPPOSITE... More paranoia & more restrictions... Furthermore ~ pointing fingers at insiders like Warren Buffett & all the slimeball shit that he does to avoid paying his fair share doesn't help either, because when YOU do the same thing, you're just as guilty...

Anecdotally ~ I've had discrepancies with the IRS on several occasions in my life... In all occasions... THEY were wrong & I was right... It was a pain in the ass, but I got the situations ironed out in the end... I found the right people, within their system, to resolve the cases... TAXPAYER ADVOCATE SERVICE [which is free of charge], is a good avenue...

I still don't like the idea of paying taxes [or where those tax dollars end up getting spent]... But I pay my taxes...

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 15:07 | 3444962 booboo
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Regarding IRS reading emails

"Live your life in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip"

"Taxes has made more liars out of the American people then anything"

Will Rogers

The reason Buffet pays little tax and is happy to hold a different view about what the great unwashed should be forced to pay is because he believes it down to his core, just like Obama and his 18% tax rate and Bidens 7000 in charity.THey believe it is the governments job to take care of the poor and in a cast system. You have to give them credit and that is why the progressives will kick our ass all over the planet, they are not afraid to espouse their views, however crankish they are to a normal person. Look, you really cannot call these bastards hypocrites because they believe they should be held to a different standard.

and other then that, as a self employed business owner I don't keep anything from the IRS that they are not allowed to take and I don't give to the IRS anything they I am legally allowed to keep, no I don't like it and no I don't think they should be allowed to read private emails but many of you folks demanded cradle to grave government involvment in your life now suck it, suck it long and hard, and enjoy your "free" fucking health care boys and girls cause "a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have." dead white guy.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 15:23 | 3444993 francis_sawyer
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no I don't like it and no I don't think they should be allowed to read private emails but many of you folks demanded cradle to grave government involvment in your life now suck it, suck it long and hard, and enjoy your "free" fucking health care boys and girls cause "a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have."


Absolutely right fucking on...

Here's the irony:

CH1 never passes up an opportunity, if francis_sawyer makes a comment about the mathematically impossible number of jews involved in banking, MSM, & political activism, to call me a 'HATER' [just as recently as last week]...

Yet what do I do?... I pay may taxes [even into a corrupt system]... I take my legitimate deductions, & grind my teeth about the rest...

Yet here is this JEW ADVOCATE publishing a treatise on how you can 'beat the system', by using some kind of digital whiz bang currency [bitcoins], & technical cloaking devices...

Fucking hypocrisy knows no bounds...


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:05 | 3445060 dick cheneys ghost
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a jew is a jew is a jew

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 18:14 | 3445259 Pseudo Anonym
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some jews appear to be more privileged (or different) than other jews.  if history is any guide, apparently only our jewish neighbours get sent into ovens. i have yet to hear of any hofjuden, shtadlans, jew banksters, politicians (i.e. your regular feinsteins, liebermanns, cohns, ... bergs, etc.) being sent into gas chambers.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:13 | 3445174 Miffed Microbio...
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Could you explain the Jew hatred thing of yours? Is it a "fart in their general direction" type of hatred or a deep seated personal anger ( I have some issues there myself). Not that I want to have all out war over it but it appears to be an ongoing thing with you I wondered if there was more to it.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:57 | 3444522 Dre4dwolf
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It's ok cause we are reading theirs.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:56 | 3444523 GrinandBearit
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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:01 | 3444526 DoChenRollingBearing
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All the more reason to get into gold.  Wow, but after yesterday though...:

"Fallout and Other Thoughts Post-Massacre"  and  "Today's Massacre"

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:05 | 3444544 fonzannoon
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Can we finally take all these famous gold pundits...we all know who they are....the ones who always claim "gold is about to skyrocket" and finally admit that despite all their amazingly stunning has to be accurate information....they, like everyone else...don't know shit?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:26 | 3444596 DoChenRollingBearing
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I am not a famous gold pundit (nor even just a "plain old gold pundit" -- very much a fan, but no pundit).  Further, I am OUT of the prediction business, for the most part anyway...

Why gold went down $80 + yesterday, well you characterized it very well just now:

"...they, like everyone else...don't know shit?"


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:46 | 3444638 fonzannoon
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yeah i in no way was trying to lump u in there dochen. i mean these cult hero jim willie types that get a lot of people hopes up and asses kicked. I'm not saying his theories don't hold merit. but his and many others predictability suck.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:04 | 3444676 GeezerGeek
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TPTB have gotten good at maintaining irrationaliy while many of us approach insolvency. Those 'cult hero types' may turn out to be like the cliched stopped watch. They only have to be right once for us all to be in deep trouble. I used to envision a slow downward slide. Now I see events unfolding as walking blindly toward the edge of a cliff. It will be OK until suddenly it isn't.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:09 | 3444689 dick cheneys ghost
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I would not lump JWillie with the King World News crowd whom are mainly talking their books.........I dont believe JWillie has ever put a time frame on his Gold price 'predictions'

We all know the dollar is dying, if not dead and I think JWillie ties this in with geo-politics as good as anyone does.......


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:38 | 3444760 wee-weed up
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Yes, we all know the dollar is dying...

but, unfortunately, it looks like (for quite awhile, at least) it will be the cleanest dirty shirt.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:50 | 3444650 FoeHammer
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I feel like a moron whining about manipulation. But really, it seems logical that distressed gov'ts and central planners would rather not see the price of gold go through the roof. It's part of the 'everything is fine/nothing to see here' cop out. The canary is being gagged.


The jump from perception to reality is going to be quite a wild ride.


Who needs a farm hand?! Willing to learn!



Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:06 | 3445063 Seer
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"Who needs a farm hand?! Willing to learn!"

I've got lots of work, but, unfortunately, I'm not generating enough to pay someone else :-(

I don't see myself as any "plantation owner," rather, I'm just out in front blazing a trail.  If I can leave behind something meaningful then fine.  In the meantime, however, I WILL be the manager, the one ultimately responsible for being THE authority caretaker (I've earned it through blood, sweat and tears [rather than off of OPM]).

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 19:17 | 3445365 FoeHammer
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It sounds like you've carved out a decent path.


Housing, food and training would suffice. But alas, I'm a debt slave. Bummer.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 09:54 | 3446320 Disenchanted
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Do you need any sharecroppers*? Because that's the direction things are headed.


* tenant farmer: a tenant farmer who farms land for the owner and is paid a share of the value of the yielded crop


or paid a share of the crop, as in something to soothe that rumbling belly...however IMO the majority of the landowners in the (near?)future won't be pople like Seer.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:25 | 3444883 Manipuflation
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Fonz, I do not think I have ever directly replied to you.  You make a good point.  I have read far too much of that cheerleading crap over the years.  I have been in the game for a long while now.  I would hold back on your condemnation of Jim Willie as he was spot on in 2007 and 2008.  Graham Summers is a douche though.  It's their job to sell you something.  I am not selling you anything.

What you have to remember is that even after yesterday's beat down some of us "grayhairs" are still kicking in the PM markets.  We have seen this before.  The boyz are creating an illusion to flush the weak hands out.  They need phyzz to cover for something but they won't get it.  The next place we go from here is that there will be no phyzz gold or silver for sale anywhere.  I have seen this before.

Yep, I have been slapped up the last couple of weeks on my buying of phyzz but I don't care because I started accumulating in the 20th century.  These fucking bankster tactics do not scare me nor will it flush me.  Those fucks can make up all the shit they want but as we all know, their little fiat fantasy world is really starting to crumble all around them.  The fiat price of PM's is actually irrelevant to intrinsic value if fiat is used to determine that value.  I will go back and use scarcity as a determination of price.

All that said, I am not telling you to buy.  I will tell when I sell and why.  I am not a seller but a buyer right now.  If you can't afford to take the hit in PM's then find another game to play.  The silver market will humble anyone in the blink of an eye but it can also make you solvent too.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:23 | 3445093 Seer
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The reason why PMs are being smacked is because TPTB want circulation, velocity: drop "prices" and more paper money will fly out in search of the now cheaper PMs.

I'm sure that behind the scenes they're all praying that someone, ANYONE, comes up with some "growth" solutions.  Can't do this when everyone is sitting on "wealth" piles; and, unfortunately, lots of the "wealth" (future) is being poured on the existing smoldering coals that is our social safety net (if that went then the stampede would likely crush any possible "growth" break-throughs).  Not that I expect there to be any "growth" miracles to come along, but I can only see this as the only way they (TPTB) can go.

Fiat is being revalued and will continue to be.  The question becomes whether there will be any way of getting people to accept the final level(s), and whether there will be any value available to them with which they'd feel like hitching back up for another ride.  This isn't just any old "cycle," this is a paradigm shift dead-ahead.

As you note, scarcity will be the thing that applies the true measure of the value of a thing.  Caution about things being out of the reach of the majority, as that would tend to negate any value borne out of the scarcity of the thing.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:50 | 3445242 HamFistedIdiot
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Hi Seer, I am prepared for this ride, having purchased most of my metals when I liquidated everything and went long PMs in late 2008. I don't know when reality will set in. Maybe it will be when the vaults are empty and no one is selling, causing the system to freeze and reset. The fraud is systemic: our food, water, air, banks, stocks, government, media. Everything is polluted and not what our masters say it is. Killing gold as a store of value and hitching the planet to a $2quadrillion derivatives bomb is functionally equivalent with the geoengineering that is genetically modified food, water fluoridation, and the constant heavy metal aerosol spraying that we see. It's all bent on destroying the health of the current system in order to bring about something new. cf "order out out of chaos."  I was at DoChenRollingBearing's blog and saw that $440 billion of gold value was lost on Friday. That's insane. If people want to pay to manipulate a price up or down, that is one thing; but what rankles me is that the US government is bankrolling JPM's (and other's) short positions to prop up a bloated dollar, so my grand kids are stuck with the bill for this gloriously irrational PM smash.

criminal aerosol spraying

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:04 | 3444547 LawsofPhysics
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Wake me when the price in fiat is under $300 an ounce, that is the dollar cost average on my holdings.  Gold is not an invetment, it's a safe store of value.  A life-raft that floats in a sea of fraud.  Something you hope you never really need and will leave to the next generation.  Tell us, what is the price relative to 5, 10, 15, or 20 years ago?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:08 | 3444553 fonzannoon
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I went to the place I usually buy from this morning just to check in. The owner of the place who usually is the one calmly and expertly letting everyone know what to do and why gold is doing this and gold is doing that was completely spooked. He finally admitted he had no idea what is going on and he is scared shitless about everything.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:29 | 3444604 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have yet to read ANYTHING that seems to well explain the huge POG drop yesterday.  It is spooky...  Sunday night and Monday morning promise to be interesting.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:48 | 3444643 Ignatius
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"I have yet to read ANYTHING that seems to well explain the huge POG drop yesterday."  -- DoChen

May I?  This is a battle by the controllers who are protecting the most valuable franchise around:  debt money creation.  Who thinks these guys are gonna just roll over and accept defeat, accept that their franchise is over?  Every trick in the book, baby, count on it.

If they push it back to $42 I'm gonna start wearing it....

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:56 | 3444664 toys for tits
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It could be explained by the rotation from paper to physical. Couldn't this smackdown explain how that would happen?

Additionally, many have tax bills on Monday so their ETF's need to settle by the time their check to the IRS is good. Don't want to bounce that fucker.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:28 | 3445097 Seer
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What is MOST feared?  Loss of velocity!  Smack down of PMs, as we seem to indicate here, seems to ramp up transactions, busts paper money loose.

The game is over when we stop using fiat in our transactions (why Bitcoin might very well have been/be something that TPTB are very interested in as a model for the "new game").

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:48 | 3444932 bentaxle
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Well, this may partially answer the question? It was down to ass covering bankers.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:31 | 3445100 Seer
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I think that this might be the article in which ZH users discredited the very notion, stating that Japan doesn't/didn't have that much gold to be able to make things shift like this (also keeping in mind that if Japan did float gold out that there's NO way it would have dumped a huge percentage, in which case any that they did/could have dumped couldn't really have been that much).  Perfectly sound logic to me...

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:31 | 3444608 YC2
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Obviously he is a doomer poseur

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:59 | 3444527 Homeland Security
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May be reading your emails right now? Email was never confidential, nor will it ever be.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:04 | 3444542 bank guy in Brussels
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For e-mail directly into CIA - NSA hands in real time, maybe tops is GMail of the CIA's most devious front company - Google Inc. - now documented as terrorist killers by no less than CIA partner Statfor:

« Intercepted emails expose Google as an intelligence contractor openly involved in aiding terror organizations throughout Africa, Asia and the world, working well outside any official oversight and authority, far beyond even the CIA’s wildest abuses. »

'Google, Beyond the CIA: Insurgency and Espionage Factory'

By Gordon Duff

Live Photo: Google Inc. Caught Censoring EU Search Results on US corruption (for USA - CIA)
Google Internet Censorship - Censure d'Internet par Google - Internet censuur door Google

'Ex-Agent: CIA Seed Money Helped Launch Google', retired intelligence agent Robert David Steele interviewed by Paul Joseph Watson, and speaking of the CIA's Dr Rick Steinheiser and his connections with Google:

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:12 | 3444543 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I'm calling bullshit on this. As long as I trust the source I can use one time pad encryption which is pretty much impossible to crack when used in a careful manner. That is a tried and true technique that still is applicable even in this digital age. You are not reading my email that is stored at the server if I decide to do this with the actual text in the email.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:17 | 3444573 CH1
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I can use... if I decide to do this...

Yes, but what are you actually DOING?

Anyone can do things, but they don't. And that's all the beast needs to win.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:22 | 3444585 dick cheneys ghost
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Take down the EMPIRE..........Buy more invisable bit-coins........

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:35 | 3445105 Seer
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Talk about a fight of the "virtual!"

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:40 | 3444614 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I do something even simplier I don't discuss my personal finances through email. If I had anything to hide that is how I would do it and not to beat the IRS either but to simply to protect sensitive information. There is absolutely nothing ilegal about doing that no matter what the intentions are.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:24 | 3444879 CH1
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There is absolutely nothing ilegal about doing that no matter what the intentions are.

EVERYTHING is illegal. Accept it and get used to it.

The slavemasters have scribbled their edicts to make it so.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:35 | 3444904 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I don't think there is enough tinfoil in the world for your head. With that attitude we all might as well just fuck off and die if we are going to operate at level of paranoia. Show me the law that makes it illegal for me to piss in a public toilet.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:41 | 3445115 Seer
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I think that that CH1's response was a bit tongue-in-cheek.  But, really, as I've been arguing recently (in opposition to Bitcoin as being a salvation of any kind), as long as you're riding on top of THEIR infrastructure you're going to be pulled over and frisked.  Think Khyber Pass.

"Show me the law that makes it illegal for me to piss in a public toilet."

Whoa!  There are public toilets?  :-) (but, seriously, that's not going to hold up for too much longer- those with a pot to piss in ain't going to give it up so that someone else can piss in a pot)

My property is private and, given certain circumstances, I could get fined for pissing on it (if it went directly into the waterway).  As CH1 cheekily remarks, don't underestimate all the legal traps that lie out there.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:23 | 3444592 Manipuflation
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Anyone should assume they are being monitored at all times but you can turn that around and use it to your advantage.  Disinformation and gratuitous use of hyperbole notwithstanding.

Another use for Post-it notes?  Tear off the sticky part and use it to block the built in HAL seeing eye camera above your screen.  I'm pretty sure that camera could be turned on remotely. 

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:42 | 3444629 Banksters
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They did that to a kid who took his notebook home.

Pennsylvania schools spying on students using laptop webcams, claims lawsuit Class-action suit alleges schools remotely activate webcams on school-issued notebooks

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:51 | 3444640 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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In that case I'd put naked picture of Adele taped over the webcam or a diseased penis as secondary option. They'd stop toggling that camera on real quick.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 19:41 | 3445407 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ditto for porn sites. You'd look really foolish getting recorded jerking off to online porn. If you like or need that stuff, go BUY it! And if you play it on your DVD player, make sure that your XBox Kinect is not attached, or is covered up. Gives 'Safe Sex' a whole new meaning.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:25 | 3444726 GeezerGeek
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Any technology that can transmit and receive is liable to misuse. Cell phones, for instance, can be misappropriated to eavesdrop. Webcams and microphones can be hijacked, just like in Live Free or Die Hard. It's actually pretty simple, since I've written programs myself that do that. Capturing streams from IP cameras and webcams is simple. (Only for use on my internal, firewalled network, of course.) Even the new 'smart' TV sets and game consoles (think Xbox with the Kinect) can be used to spy. I'd go so far as to guess that driving in a car with one's cellphone synced to the car would be liable to misuse. 

So the next time you decide to watch porn on your system, be very careful. You never know who is watching you while you're watching (and reacting to?) smut.

Anyone want to see what SEC workers are really doing while at work? 

P.S. A sticky note will NOT disable the microphone. Don't let them overhear your moaning and groaning.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:55 | 3444799 Manipuflation
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"Don't let them overhear your moaning and groaning."

LOL, true that, but they already did due to some speeches I have given at political conventions on behalf of Ron Paul.  I really have not developed the habit of talking to myself...yet.  I figure they can hear the same over the phone as I am pretty sure they record every conversation.  Disinformation and innuendo.  Besides, they can kiss my ass anyway.  I have already been involved in politics.  It ain't like I can hide now.

Maybe sometimes I WANT them to know what I am thinking and I WANT them to record it.  Just in case they aren't, I have started my own blogsite to make sure that it is recorded.  The message is the same over and over again just as it is is here; LEAVE US ALONE FEDS, we don't need you, we don't want you and I will help my neighbor if he is trouble and ASKS me for the help. 

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:58 | 3444809 toys for tits
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So now I have a larger audience besides my dead relatives watching me jerk off?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:13 | 3444702 GeezerGeek
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The trick is finding a reliable way to get the decryption key to the recipient. USPS? And if you're sending the encrypted message to multiple recipients, that means sending the decryption key to multiple recipients.

And just wait. Once Obama's dream of mapping and understanding the brain is complete, thought interception - perhaps even thought control - will be the new worry.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:47 | 3445124 Seer
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"Once Obama's dream of mapping and understanding the brain is complete"

Come the fuck on, the throne-sitting puppet has nothing to do with this.  If it were Mittens, or the next POTUS, this game would/will be going on.

Heard all this same shit said about the Bushes, only to continue to the next "Team."  Both the Red and Blue teams carry these torches.  If you want to be of some value finger who it is that's actually giving the orders (and no, it's not, as much as I hate the fucker, Dick Cheney).

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:27 | 3444600 Kirk2NCC1701
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The 4th Amendment is pretty clear on its intent as to the Right To Privacy. 

The only thing more offensive than what the Gov/IRS is doing, is the corruption of the judges who would be devious and slimy enough to use modern technology (that did not exist at the time of the writing of the 4th Amendment) as a weasel-way to exempt the Gov from complying with the 4th.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:50 | 3445130 Seer
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Aldus Huxley warned us about this a LONG time ago.  We didn't listen then, we're not about to listen now...

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:58 | 3444528 McMolotov
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This is precisely why I no longer discuss my money laundering, drug smuggling, and gun running operations through email. So the joke's on you, IRS!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:00 | 3444534 Homeland Security
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Thank you for your written confession. This was the only thing missing from your file.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:08 | 3444554 McMolotov
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For the sake of completeness, I also dabble in human trafficking and Cuban cigars, and I've been known to sell Happy Meals with the toys to young children in San Francisco. I jaywalk all the time, too, even when there's a crosswalk — just because I like to stick it to da man.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:47 | 3444645 IridiumRebel
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It's Jay-Z!!!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:50 | 3444651 Ignatius
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The never-ending joy I feel during those rolling stops.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:26 | 3444734 GeezerGeek
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Now if you started selling raw milk they just might decide to come after you. 

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:52 | 3445133 Seer
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Raw milk sales are legal where I'm at.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:44 | 3444929 Homeland Security
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The additional information is greatly appreciated. For your information your oral confessions are admissible at trial even though you made different, written confessions. A written confession does not cancel out a prior oral confession. A written confession need not constitute a literal transcription of what you said, the substance of what you said is sufficient. The interception and and storage of all electroic communications makes it easy to combine oral and written statements made at different times to different groups/individuals through different media. Your enthusiastic participation is to be commended.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 15:49 | 3445034 Ignatius
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Like your avatar.  Tell me, what's the law on representing yourself as a member of law enforcement - in this case, Homeland Security - when you're not a sworn officer?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:55 | 3445136 Seer
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And you know him/her/them to not be a "sworn officer" how?  Will the real Homeland Security officer please stand up...

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 19:48 | 3445419 Kirk2NCC1701
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Q: Do you 'Swear'?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 19:57 | 3445444 Yes_Questions
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and the wrong word during a call can rendere a debt uncollectable.


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:50 | 3444655 VelvetHog
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Be careful the TBTF banks hate competition.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:00 | 3444531 Pig Brotha
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Hello IRS, your MOM says hi (she's sucking my c%ck right now).

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:01 | 3444672 toys for tits
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How do you understand her with her mouth full?

Or is she understandable with your cock in her mouth? lol


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 11:59 | 3444532 Kaiser Sousa
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"IRS documents released Wednesday suggest that the tax collection agency believes it can read American citizens’ emails without a warrant."


i aint payin u mother fuckers a god damn - WHAT!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:09 | 3444555 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The timing of this is scare the clueless in the matrix into filing truthful tax returns by planting the seeds of the IRS is omnipotent.

The government is broke they know it, they are just trying to avoid the police state show of force tactics since audits and putting people in jail for tax evasion never plays well in the court of public opinion.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:16 | 3444578 Banksters
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That is why they make big cases out of celebutards, to instill fear and omnipotence.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:41 | 3444628 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The reality is the IRS doesn't have the labor and resources necessary to double check all the returns for accuracy. Unless you set off the red flags in their internal systems the volume is so large they would never catch you, which means they wouldn't be reading your emails anyways. The tax code is so large an unwieldy it is super easy to slip through the cracks without being noticed. The government needs money and they need it now because they are broke now, not 3 years later. People give these 3 letter agencies way too much credit, they are run government bureaucracies and we know how efficient, knowledgeable and well run they are, let alone that they are all top heavy when it comes to staffing (to many chiefs and not enough Indians, chiefs don't the actual work).

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:59 | 3444667 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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And if you think this is all BS read this winner of an article put out by the state media through their mouthpiece.

Poll: 87 percent say never OK to cheat on taxes

WASHINGTON (AP) — With tax season in full swing, a newly released poll says an overwhelming majority of adults don't believe it is ever OK to cheat on their income taxes, with most citing personal integrity as a reason to be truthful.

The telephone poll of 1,500 randomly chosen adults was sponsored by the Internal Revenue Service Oversight Board, which released the findings Tuesday. The findings are in line with previous surveys done by the board.

It sourced from the Washington wing and polled conducted by the IRS.


Are you fucking kidding me. Everyone here knows if you walked outside your door and polled your neighbors or went to the local grocery store and polled them you wouldn't get this result. Just read the article and look at the pictures they use. They really lay the bs on thick and deep. I'm not even going to deconstruct article since it so blatant. They wouldn't be doing this if the could enforce complaince strictly through manpower and resources allocated for tax collection.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:02 | 3444675 akak
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Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:07 | 3444688 toys for tits
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I'm suprised they found 13% that said it is ok to cheat on their taxes.

'Hello I'm calling to get your opinion on some matters of public importance in our poll that is sponsored by the IRS.  May I ask you a few questions.'

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:27 | 3444737 Manipuflation
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I found a zinc penny on the asphalt at the local gas station last year.  I picked it up, put it in my pocket and later spent it.  Do I have to report that as "other income"?

There are always a few pennies laying around in the parking lots of businesses.  Might I suggest that these loose pennies become the sole source of funding for the entire US Federal .Gov?  And that they have to go search for, find and pick them up themselves if they want them?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:09 | 3445068 New_Meat
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Whew!!!! Thank the gods for the "whole-dollar" method! - Ned

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:15 | 3444711 Manipuflation
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+1000 DCH

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:31 | 3444611 Banksters
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Here here,






Sips coffee...

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:09 | 3444690 toys for tits
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If it's ok with you I'm going to copy that post and put it in an email.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:00 | 3445144 Seer
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Be sure, however, to give proper credit to the author lest you (also) get charged with copyright infringement!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 20:01 | 3445454 Yes_Questions
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and use the 4th amendment in your signature line.



Sat, 04/13/2013 - 17:57 | 3445252 yogibear
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Hope the hackers get into the Fed's and IRS websites and email. It would confirm how corrupt both of these organizations are. 

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:01 | 3444533 e-recep
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heil obama! heil homeland! usa über alles!

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:01 | 3444535 rlouis
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Who was Jim Stack.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:27 | 3444601 bank guy in Brussels
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Think you mean Joe Stack (1956-2010), Joseph Andrew Stack III, a man who seemingly died in the hope of inspiring resistance and revolt to the US regime

Software engineer badly harassed by the IRS and US government and system, then died 18 February 2010, first burning down his own house, then, leaving wife and child behind, crashing a plane into IRS offices.

"Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer."
- Joe Stack

Stack's dying manifesto was ordered to be pulled down from the web by the US government, though archived and available on the web from others

Article with photo of Joe Stack's burned-down Waco, Texas house

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:53 | 3444658 Ignatius
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I am Joe Stack... just waitin' for the T-shirt.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:17 | 3445070 New_Meat
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These guys will build it for u

of course, u can't build it yourself

- Ned


Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:02 | 3444537 fonzannoon
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I can't keep up with the headlines latey, it's getting very contentious.

"German fin min Hans Gruber says the Bundesbank has changed their mind and has decided to let the U.S keep their gold stored in their vaults in NY. In fact he was quoted as telling a reporter "they can keep that hunk of shit if they want to, it's worthless anyway". When asked what German citizens who currently own physical gold should de he replied "check yo self befo you wreck yo self".

Upon hearing the comments a very disturbed treasury secretary Jack Lew replied "They better get that shit pile out of here like yesterday, we have agreed to sublet their space to several hundred tunnell people and they refuse to live down there with that mound of shit sorrounding them".

We can only guess as to where things go from here.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 16:19 | 3445090 New_Meat
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Another Jack Lew threat that will not come to pass.

otoh, his boss is used to saying "don't call my bluff"

bastards can't play poker to save their own lives, let alone ours

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:08 | 3444552 Manipuflation
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Good.  Someone has to go through all of that spam and it ain't gonna be me.  When you are finished IRS, and you pretty much are, please select all and delete. 

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:10 | 3444556 OhBaldOne
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Just CC every mindless email you write to the IRS, et al, and clog up their servers…

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:12 | 3444562 observer007
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CIA, FBI, NSA get full access to financial data on American citizens and others


The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:33 | 3444582 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Simple fuck them and don't use the banks unless you absolutely have to. Bag on bitcoin on all you want but when you use a cypto-currency as a trade chip that isn't being also used a gambling chip in a casino so it holds a stable value against the currency you converting from, that blows all their control over your money up. But the get off my lawn types and people who have their heads stuck in the 17th and 20th century don't see or understand that.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 12:52 | 3444657 Tinky
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"...when you use a cypto-currency as a trade chip that isn't being also used a gambling chip in a casino so it holds a stable value against the currency you converting from..."

Stable? hahaha! What could be more stable than Bitcoin?

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 13:07 | 3444684 Manipuflation
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Maybe so DCH but not for me at BTC$115.  I can get a whole roll of BU silver dimes for just a few dollars more than a BTC and then have another boating accident.  With BTC you can't even have a boating accident and lose them.  I suppose though, you could have a Ronald Reagan moment and not be able to recall the password to your wallet.

The term you were looking for is probably "Luddite".  If anyone has their heads stuck in the 17th century, I would like to meet them and have a tankard of mead with them.  Just because I prefer phyzz PM's to BTC do you really think I am a Luddite?  Do you really think I would trade my AK-47 for a flintlock musket?  An even better question is do you think I would sell my AK for a some bitcoins?  I doubt it.

The oldest tactic in the book and one that Sun Tzu mentioned in The Art of War is to divide and conquer.  No BTCer, can reasonably expect those of us PM'ers who have spent thousands of hours reading and decades pursuing our accumulation interests to all of a sudden just pull up on the reins, fall off the horse, and jump into your new, slick BTC Bugatti and drive off into the sunset.  PM's have thousands of years of history on our side.  BTC has a few months that created a bubble.  To each their own. 

If BTC has an upside, it is as my BTC CGI developer friend asked:  How many more European banks will crash?  BTC is excellent for a capital controls workaround.  He is absolutely correct.  He is also correct when he states that the exchanges are fucked up and especially gox.  The BTC Bugatti is missing on a few cylinders right now.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:08 | 3444804 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I said crypto-currency in general, bitcoin is just a specific crypto-currency, reading comprehension get off my lawn types or has old age started to reduce your mental facilities also. You can always build iterations off the code which opensource. The basic network structure and idea of it is rock solid to build it from. It is a question value of the currency itself after cost. That price discovery needs to be done on a transaction basis between 2 parties not speculated on in a casino. It is simple haggling over time a general consensus aka real price discovery above cost for the crypto-currency takes shape and becomes system wide. It has a real initial production cost that can be pegged to current currencies when priced in electricty based on killowatt hours to generate the specific coin. Price discovery above to be used as a currency should be determined through transactions in the economic market not through speculation in the finance market which is really outside the everyday economy for moving goods and services. The banking system and it's currency needs to be reflected and function as part of the economic market not finance in a free capitalistic market. You want to break the stranglehold to bring it back in this direction you need a parallel system if you can'tbreak it from the inside and decentralized system for merchant transactions and savings and checkings does that the medium used in it is really secondary as long as the price above cost can be stablized. That is here and is now, this isn't some abstraction or Star Trek technology of the future. It needs revision and improvement but the foundation is already laid.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:10 | 3444843 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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To be fair the get off lawn, geriatic close minded digs are more about a state of mind than an age number. Not all old people are close minded and grumpy even if they don't understand something new. There are plenty of middle aged people who also fit this bill.

Sat, 04/13/2013 - 14:43 | 3444924 Manipuflation
Manipuflation's picture

DCH.  I am sorry if I offended you.  I actually am under 40, though barely.  I was not taking a shot at you.  I really do have a very good friend who has been in on the BTC thing for a long time.  He's a really intelligent guy and was part of the Ron Paul movement but he is a little older than some other BTCers.  He knows the game and I respect his opinions.  I get what BTC is and what it represents.  Of late, however it has become a religion to some and I must offer that caution is prudent. 

It's not that PM hoarding isn't a religion in it's own right.  I posted last night about the similarities between BTCers and PMers and that we should get along.  Both concepts have validity to them.  Let's not lose sight of that fact.  With age comes wisdom.  Wisdom is earned by making mistakes and not repeating them.

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