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100 Years Old & Still Killing Us: America Was Much Better Off Before The Income Tax

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Did you know that the greatest period of economic growth in American history was during a time when there was absolutely no federal income tax?  Between the end of the Civil War and 1913, there was an explosion of economic activity in the United States unlike anything ever seen before or since.  Unfortunately, a federal income tax was instituted in 1913, and this year it turned 100 years old.  But there was no fanfare, was there?  There was no celebration because the federal income tax is universally hated. 

Sadly, most Americans just assume that there is no other option to an income tax.  Most Americans just assume that it has always been with us and that it will always be with us.  This year, the American people will shell out approximately $4.22 trillion in state and federal income taxes.  That amount is equivalent to approximately 29.4 percent of all income that Americans will bring in this year, and that does not even take into account the dozens of other taxes that Americans pay each year. 

At this point, the U.S. tax code is about 13 miles long, and those that are honest and pay their taxes every year are being absolutely shredded by this system.  But wouldn't the federal government go broke if we didn't have a federal income tax?  No, actually the truth is that the federal government did just fine before there was an income tax.  In fact, the U.S. national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger since the federal income tax and the Federal Reserve were created by Congress back in 1913. 

As I have written about previously, the Federal Reserve system was actually designed to trap the United States in a debt spiral from which it could never possibly escape, and the federal income tax was needed to greatly expand the size of the federal government and to soak the American people of the funds necessary to service that debt.  But it doesn't have to be this way.  America was once much better off before the income tax and the Federal Reserve were created, and we could easily go to such a system again.

What we desperately need to do is to teach the American people a little history lesson.  The truth is that the greatest period of economic growth in U.S. history was between the Civil War and 1913 when there was no federal income tax at all.  The following is from Wikipedia...

The Gilded Age saw the greatest period of economic growth in American history. After the short-lived panic of 1873, the economy recovered with the advent of hard money policies and industrialization. From 1869 to 1879, the US economy grew at a rate of 6.8% for real GDP and 4.5% for real GDP per capita, despite the panic of 1873.  The economy repeated this period of growth in the 1880s, in which the wealth of the nation grew at an annual rate of 3.8%, while the GDP was also doubled.

Sadly, most Americans cannot even conceive of an economy like that.  Most Americans cannot even imagine having a nation without a massively bloated federal government and without an unelected central bank centrally planning our financial system.

But you know what?

It worked.  In fact, it worked fantastically well.

The period between the Civil War and 1913 propelled the United States to greatness.  Just check out all of the good things that Wikipedia says happened for the U.S. economy during those years...

The rapid economic development following the Civil War laid the groundwork for the modern U.S. industrial economy. By 1890, the USA leaped ahead of Britain for first place in manufacturing output.

 

An explosion of new discoveries and inventions took place, a process called the "Second Industrial Revolution." Railroads greatly expanded the mileage and built stronger tracks and bridges that handled heavier cars and locomotives, carrying far more goods and people at lower rates. Refrigeration railroad cars came into use. The telephone, phonograph, typewriter and electric light were invented. By the dawn of the 20th century, cars had begun to replace horse-drawn carriages.

 

Parallel to these achievements was the development of the nation's industrial infrastructure. Coal was found in abundance in the Appalachian Mountains from Pennsylvania south to Kentucky. Oil was discovered in western Pennsylvania; it was mainly used for lubricants and for kerosene for lamps. Large iron ore mines opened in the Lake Superior region of the upper Midwest. Steel mills thrived in places where these coal and iron ore could be brought together to produce steel. Large copper and silver mines opened, followed by lead mines and cement factories.

 

In 1913 Henry Ford introduced the assembly line, a step in the process that became known as mass-production.

But if we didn't have an income tax, how did we fund the government?  Well, we mostly did it with tariffs and excise taxes.  The following is from a recent article by Thomas R. Eddlem...

Prior to ratification of the 16th (income tax) Amendment in February 1913, the federal government managed its few constitutional responsibilities without an income tax, except during the Civil War period. During peacetime, it did so largely — or even entirely — on import taxes called “tariffs.” Congress could afford to run the federal government on tariffs alone because federal responsibilities did not include welfare programs, agricultural subsidies, or social insurance programs like Social Security or Medicare. After the Civil War, tariff revenues sometimes suffered under a protectionist policy ushered in by the Republican Party that supplemented federal income via excises on alcohol, tobacco, and inheritances. But before the war, the need for tariff revenue to finance the federal government generally kept the tariff at reasonable levels. During wartime throughout early American history, the Founding Fathers were able to raise additional revenue employing a different method of direct taxation authorized by the U.S. Constitution prior to the 16th Amendment. These alternative taxing methods gave the young American nation embarrassing peacetime budget surpluses that several times came close to paying off the national debt.

So why didn't we stick with that system?

Well, early in the 20th century the "progressives" and the social planners started to take control in Washington.

And one of the things that "progressives" and social planners love is an income tax.  In fact, the second plank of the Communist Manifesto is a "heavy progressive or graduated income tax".

Of course they promised us that income tax rates would always remain low.  And at first they were quite low.  The following is from an article by Adam Young...

The presidential election of 1912 was contested between three advocates of an income tax. The winner, Woodrow Wilson, after the ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, called a special session of Congress in April 1913, which proceeded to pass an income tax of 1% on incomes above $3,000 and applied surcharges between 2% and 7% on income from $20,000 to $500,000.

But once the "progressives" and the social planners get their feet in the door, they always want more.

And we have seen how things have worked out.  Today, the American people are being taxed into oblivion.

In a previous article entitled "Show This To Anyone That Believes That Taxes Are Too Low", I listed dozens of other taxes that the American people pay each year in addition to federal and state income taxes...

#1 Building Permit Taxes

#2 Capital Gains Taxes

#3 Cigarette Taxes

#4 Court Fines (indirect taxes)

#5 Dog License Taxes

#6 Drivers License Fees (another form of taxation)

#7 Federal Unemployment Taxes

#8 Fishing License Taxes

#9 Food License Taxes

#10 Gasoline Taxes

#11 Gift Taxes

#12 Hunting License Taxes

#13 Inheritance Taxes

#14 Inventory Taxes

#15 IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

#16 IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

#17 Liquor Taxes

#18 Luxury Taxes

#19 Marriage License Taxes

#20 Medicare Taxes

#21 Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare

#22 Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (if you don't buy "qualifying" health insurance under Obamacare you will have to pay an additional tax)

#23 Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income (a new 3.8% surtax on investment income that goes into effect next year)

#24 Property Taxes

#25 Recreational Vehicle Taxes

#26 Toll Booth Taxes

#27 Sales Taxes

#28 Self-Employment Taxes

#29 School Taxes

#30 Septic Permit Taxes

#31 Service Charge Taxes

#32 Social Security Taxes

#33 State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)

#34 Tanning Tax (a new Obamacare tax on tanning services)

#35 Telephone Federal Excise Taxes

#36 Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes

#37 Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes

#38 Telephone State And Local Taxes

#39 Tire Taxes

#40 Tolls (another form of taxation)

#41 Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)

#42 Utility Taxes

#43 Vehicle Registration Taxes

#44 Workers Compensation Taxes

Yet even with all of these taxes, our local governments, our state governments and our federal government are all absolutely drowning in debt.

In another previous article entitled "24 Outrageous Facts About Taxes In The United States That Will Blow Your Mind", I listed a number of reasons why our federal income tax system has become a complete and utter abomination that can never be fixed...

1 - The U.S. tax code is now 3.8 million words long.  If you took all of William Shakespeare's works and collected them together, the entire collection would only be about 900,000 words long.

2 - According to the National Taxpayers Union, U.S. taxpayers spend more than 7.6 billion hours complying with federal tax requirements.  Imagine what our society would look like if all that time was spent on more economically profitable activities.

3 - 75 years ago, the instructions for Form 1040 were two pages long.  Today, they are 189 pages long.

4 - There have been 4,428 changes to the tax code over the last decade.  It is incredibly costly to change tax software, tax manuals and tax instruction booklets for all of those changes.

5 - According to the National Taxpayers Union, the IRS currently has 1,999 different publications, forms, and instruction sheets that you can download from the IRS website.

6 - Our tax system has become so complicated that it is almost impossible to file your taxes correctly.  For example, back in 1998 Money Magazine had 46 different tax professionals complete a tax return for a hypothetical household.  All 46 of them came up with a different result.

7 - In 2009, PC World had five of the most popular tax preparation software websites prepare a tax return for a hypothetical household.  All five of them came up with a different result.

8 - The IRS spends $2.45 for every $100 that it collects in taxes.

9 - According to The Tax Foundation, the average American has to work until April 17th just to pay federal, state, and local taxes.  Back in 1900, "Tax Freedom Day" came on January 22nd.

10 - When the U.S. government first implemented a personal income tax back in 1913, the vast majority of the population paid a rate of just 1 percent, and the highest marginal tax rate was just 7 percent.

11 - Residents of New Jersey pay $1.64 in taxes for every $1.00 of federal spending that they get back.

12 - The United States is the only nation on the planet that tries to tax citizens on what they earn in foreign countries.

13 - According to Forbes, the 400 highest earning Americans pay an average federal income tax rate of just 18 percent.

14 - Warren Buffett had an effective tax rate of just 17.4 percent for 2010.

15 - The top 20 percent of all income earners in the United States pay approximately 86 percent of all federal income taxes.

16 - Sadly, as Bill Whittle has shown, you could take every single penny that every American earns above $250,000 and it would only fund about 38 percent of the federal budget.

17 - The United States has the highest corporate tax rate in the world (35 percent).  In Ireland, the corporate tax rate is only 12.5 percent.  This is causing thousands of corporations to move operations out of the United States and into other countries.

18 - Some tax havens are doing a booming business in setting up sham headquarters for U.S. corporations.  For example, the city of Zug, Switzerland only has a population of 26,000 people but it is the headquarters for 30,000 companies.

19 - In 1950, corporate taxes accounted for about 30 percent of all federal revenue.  In 2012, corporate taxes will account for less than 7 percent of all federal revenue.

The wealthy have become absolute masters at avoiding taxes, and the poor are not able to pay much.

So who always gets squeezed?

The middle class does.

No matter what our politicians promise us, the hammer is always brought down on the middle class.

And now, according to The Huffington Post, the IRS says that it can even read our old emails without a warrant to make sure that we are paying all of the taxes that we should be...

The IRS apparently interprets that authority very broadly, the documents show: as long as you've stored your email in a cloud service like Google Mail, and as long as those emails haven't been deleted after a few months, the agency thinks it doesn't need a warrant to read them.

 

The idea of IRS agents poking through your email account might sound at the very least creepy, and maybe unconstitutional. But the IRS does have a legal leg to stand on: the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 allows government agencies to in many cases obtain emails older than 180 days without a warrant.

 

That's why an internal 2009 IRS document claimed that "the government may obtain the contents of electronic communication that has been in storage for more than 180 days” without a warrant.

It should be noted that the IRS is claiming that it does not use emails "to target" specific taxpayers, but notice that they are not promising not to use old emails against taxpayers once they are officially being audited or investigated...

"Contrary to some suggestions, the IRS does not use emails to target taxpayers. Any suggestion to the contrary is wrong."

In any event, the truth is that we have one of the most complicated and one of the most intrusive tax systems in the history of the world.

Don't the American people deserve better?

What do you think?

Should America go back to a system where there is no income tax and no Federal Reserve?

 

America Is Broke

 

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Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:26 | 3453693 Shell Game
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1913 was a bad fucking year..

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:30 | 3453704 Banksters
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Starve the beast.  

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:31 | 3453713 Zer0head
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2013 will be worse

and if this is deemed to be Domestic Terrorism ....

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:32 | 3453715 ACP
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...whether it is or not...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:37 | 3453733 Zer0head
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you are of course correct, but if Domestic...

the balls (figurative)  of every American shall be placed in a vice for the sake of the children

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/2720797818_c201c812b3.jpg

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:49 | 3453790 Boris Alatovkrap
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If tax code is 13 miles, maybe double space to 26 and end with explosion.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:57 | 3453825 kaiserhoff
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What the Ruskie said;)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:59 | 3453836 markmotive
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Only way to eliminate income taxes is to find a new 'new world' and create a new society. And we'll make a constitution that sets certain guidelines to make sure the citizens aren't screwed by government anymore.

Oh...I guess that's what we did.

Human greed has no bounds.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:00 | 3453850 JLee2027
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Or have the current economic system collapse in a heap and honest men take control of things.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:06 | 3453877 nmewn
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We would feel like Diogenes...there's not many left and the ones that are, don't feel like babysitting ;-)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:26 | 3453958 CH1
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Cuz there was thousands of peolpe drying on the streets every day before the gubbermint could tax people.

Right?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:30 | 3453985 nmewn
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I could make a firm case that government because of taxation (and/or counterfeiting) has destroyed more lives than it ever saved ;-)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:29 | 3454335 CH1
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And you'd be RIGHT.

Ever read Rummel's Death By Government?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:21 | 3454661 Turin Turambar
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In a way, you are partially correct.  A new world (cyberspace) has been discovered and is in the process of development.  Fear not citizen.  The government shall bring order out of the chaose and protect you from everything for a very small fee (at first).  The political class is slobbering all over itself trying to figure out a way to get an internet "fairness" tax rammed through.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:49 | 3453732 Banksters
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Well, people either wake up or we'll all be fucked.

 

 

The banksters are the real terrorists and politicians are in bed with them.  Of course they'll spend money with interest. What's worse, they'll tell you the opposite before they are elected.  Fuck it.  

The state can kiss my ass.    

 

Do I own my car.  NOPE.  Don't believe me, then don't register it and park it on a public street.  BYE BYE.

Do I own my house. NOPE Stop paying property taxes. BYE BYE.

THE MOTHER FUCKING BANKSTERS HAVE STOLEN IT ALL.  What is worse, is that unsuspecting govt workers carry on with out reflection.

 

They are fucking laughing at us.

 

IRS Building with Pyramid and Freemason symbol

http://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/irspillarspyramid.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EFZF-jNAI4Q/ULuUOXmkE1I/AAAAAAAAD7U/LCOrjpA6xuU/s320/compo_irs_israelmasons.jpg

US money

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FNndI0BvPNA/TKNVSQOO8BI/AAAAAAAAB4A/BsJ0itGZ8wg/s1600/eye_pyramid.jpg

 

Rothschilds Israeli supreme court  complete with Pyramid and eye

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qUFDMUpk9jE/SkSSzhtZJII/AAAAAAAAVXA/xYtZkUslBew/s1600/Beit_Mishpat_Elyon_min.JPG

 

HAHA MOTHER FUCKERS.

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:12 | 3454609 kchrisc
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The bankster fraud is even crueler than you can imagine.

Picture this: they print money via stealing the deposits of the people and loaning out money based on that theft. They do this until the music stops and the affected economy implodes. They get bailed-out, or worse get to steal the same deposits AGAIN via a bail-in.

Now the citizens can't pay and default so the banks foreclose on the underlying collateral and take title to said property.

The Cliffnotes: the banks are able to print title to real property and therefore steal the property at the SAME TIME that they have stolen the deposits of the same victims. It's fraud squared.

Nothing could deserve the guillotine more than these fuckers and their pol and crat cock-sucking puppets.

Reject these criminals by not paying and obeying them

Revolt against these psychopaths

Retribute these thugs and thieves

Restore the Constitutional republic

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:22 | 3455038 Boris Alatovkrap
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Sometime tree of freedom must be water by blood of revolution.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:19 | 3453928 Svener
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But we have planes now, I want the FAA. I like our national parks. I don't trust industry, I want food tracked and regulated. I want a patent office, I want the NIH and CDC. I want the EPA, I remember lake Erie when it was on fire and the pea soup of Bejing is not something I want here. I just wish we could kick all the poor white trash on SSI disability off the dole. Answer this, what do we do with the trash that won't work?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:07 | 3454193 pods
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Baaaaah!

As to your question, I think they get a pension and are called, "gentleman from X (insert state) or Senator..........."

Income tax is to regulate inflation when the rich create too much debt money, thus stressing the fractional reserve system.  Just another tool of the fractional reserve system.

Fyi, most industrial pollution was SANCTIONED by the very government that you want to regulate it, and food "regulation" is meant to ALLOW certain levels of contamination.  Why do you think industry buys the regulators?

pods

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:02 | 3455000 Anusocracy
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Exclude them from society. There is no right to live at someone else's expense.

As for "I want" blah-blah-blah, you can pay for it if you want it. You have no right to force me to pay for what you want.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:45 | 3453761 prains
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the great thing about living in the Various States of Detroitification before there was income tax was you could shoot the brown people getting in your way without cause or effect, it was the best of times......./sarc for sock puppets

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:05 | 3455010 Anusocracy
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I like private law.

In rural areas around here used to be signs like: Private Property. Trespassers Will Be Shot.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:50 | 3453783 Sun and Moon
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The Fed was created on December 23, 1913. A good year for bankers, bad for everyone else.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:27 | 3453964 AGuy
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Income Tax in the US was created to make way for Prohibition. Prior to the Income tax, about 1/3 of Federal Revenue came from taxes on Alcohol. Originally the "dries" (consisting of members of both the DNC & RNC & the Womens Sufferage movement) pushed for Prohibtion at the beginning of the 20th Century, but it was repeatily blocked until 1919. Later the Gang wars supported by illegal booze sales led to the first gun control laws. One thing after another and this is how we ended up becoming a socialist nation. Blame it all on Prohibition!

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:27 | 3454315 traderjoe
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No. The income tax paved the way for government to borrow money at-interest from private corporations with the collateral of your future labor. Oh, and those private corporations create said money for free through fractional reserve banking.

See United States Note.

Wake the fuck up.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:33 | 3454346 CH1
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AGuy is right that Prohibition was associted with the income tax.

I think traderjoe has a point too.

Guvs: They suck, no matter which way you look at them.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:00 | 3454549 AGuy
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"No. The income tax paved the way for government to borrow money at-interest from private corporations..."

Nope! Prohibition was the catalyst for the income tax:

http://archive.mises.org/6907/prohibition-and-the-income-tax/

"By 1920, the income tax supplied two-thirds of Uncle Sam’s revenues and nine times more revenue than was then supplied by liquor taxes and customs duties combined. In research that I did with University of Michigan law professor Adam Pritchard, we found that bulging income-tax revenues made it possible for Congress finally to give in to the decades-old movement for alcohol prohibition.

Before the income tax, Congress effectively ignored such calls because to prohibit alcohol sales then would have hit Congress hard in the place it guards most zealously: its purse. But once a new and much more intoxicating source of revenue was discovered, the cost to politicians of pandering to the puritans and other anti-liquor lobbies dramatically fell. "

It was the "Dry" movement that pushed for the income tax to pave the way for the prohibition. Prohibition also led to gun control laws, due to gang violence tied to illegal alcohol sales.

"The income tax paved the way for government to borrow money at-interest from private corporations"

Up until the great depression, the US gov't maintained almost a balanced budget, (except for the WW1), There was no need to borrow large sums of money. Back then there was no social secuity, Wealthfare, medicare or other big gov't spending programs. Nor was there a large military budget (with the exception of WW 1), Social programs didn't start until FDR in the 1930's.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 09:15 | 3455752 masterinchancery
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No, it was for political vote buying and also the ability to wage war (WWI) without inconvenience.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:29 | 3453700 wisefool
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I'll bet my salary that Barry is on the golf course before the end of this week to think about what happened today, and everyone else there will be writing off their taxes.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:32 | 3453703 Landotfree
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The first state to cancel the agreement with the federal government, will be the least loser.   The State can remove themselves from the chains at any time, they were greedy and wanted a piece of the pie.   

http://theinhabitant.blogspot.com/

The Inhabitant has spelled this out.

http://theinhabitant.blogspot.com/2012/11/health-care-legislation-is-taxing.html

Without the State inacting the agreement the federal government can not pierce the boundaries of the State.   Look it up in your own State code... it's there!!!!!!!!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:01 | 3454149 Pure Evil
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Yeah right.

And I guess the Non Aggression Pact Stalin had with the Nazis kept Hitlers mechanized infantry divisions from rolling up to the gates of Moscow.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:51 | 3455387 Landotfree
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Yeah right what?   The States have agreed to the federal government piecering the boundaries of the State.  Nothing can stop the US from launching a nuke strike on itself either... so what?   The SSA, Medicare, IT, etc are all administrated through and by premission of the State... cancel the agreements... it's in your State's code.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:30 | 3453712 amadeusb4
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America was much better off before income taxes?? WTF are you smoking, Tyler? Not only is America much better off, but even despite the 30 year decline in income, Americans are much better off.

Put away the tinfoil hat and draw the curtains just once in a while.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:32 | 3453722 Landotfree
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Wait till the bill comes on all these programs... a STATE can't file BK!!!!!!!   The first State to remove themselves will be the best off.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:36 | 3453734 Shell Game
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@amadeusb4

Hey, I have an idea.  How about drawing the curtain once in a while on decades of exorbitant privilage of reserve currency status and military superpower by way of warfare corporate complex?  'Better off' by way of force and looting is not really 'better off'..

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:57 | 3453833 amadeusb4
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Most of the benefit of reserve currency and military industrail congressional complex didn't go to Americans though. It went to the 1% of Americans at the top. Americans can have a succesful society without reserve currency and said complex but this would require that the democratic instutions that are in place are actually exercised. My guess is that when push comes to shove, the 1% will get quite ugly about preserving their station.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:04 | 3453863 Shell Game
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"Most of the benefit of reserve currency and military industrail congressional complex didn't go to Americans though."

Wrong. The fact that we had sole global privilage of artificially cheap oil/gasoline created a consumption economy that benefited Americans mightily.  For a little while anyway.  That is my point, an unsustainable and unethical advantage is never 'better off'.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:04 | 3453859 nmewn
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"America was much better off before income taxes?? WTF are you smoking, Tyler? Not only is America much better off, but even despite the 30 year decline in income, Americans are much better off."

lol...care to rephrase?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:06 | 3454176 Pure Evil
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Much less, why is he blaming Tyler. This was written by Michael Snyder.

I guess its time to preface the title with, Guest Post:, again.

But, then again, you'd think someone reading ZH would be smart enough to figure that out.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:32 | 3454339 EvlTheCat
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Its been all downhill since we lost the post submission math question.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:08 | 3453873 THECOMINGDEPRESSION
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amadeusb4 you are not the brightest bulb in the pack..Americans will claim they are better off because they live off CREDIT. Mortgages, credit cards and LOANS! This illusion is for you to FEEL good, powerful and in command..But really you are broke, a BONIFIED debt and TAX slave..FOOL!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:19 | 3453926 jcaz
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@amadeusb4-  son, this blog is a lil over your head, isn't it?  Lighten up Francis.....

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:46 | 3454052 57-71
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This is true. Also the depression in the 1880's was equivalent to the 1930's in terms of impact to people.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 09:17 | 3455756 masterinchancery
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Troll moron.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:32 | 3453721 Petrus Romanus
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"America was much better off before the income tax", Is that code for the Federal Reserve?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:34 | 3453726 PUD
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Income tax is abject slavery. When they take your wages, compel you to labor for free, jail you if you refuse....the only thing missing are the hangings and whippings. The US never needed an income tax until the federal reserve began lending us our own money at interest.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:37 | 3453729 LawsofPhysics
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So, after a period of mass destruction, there was massive growth - "Shocker". End the damn fed already.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 09:17 | 3455760 masterinchancery
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Massive inflation, more like.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:36 | 3453736 Yen Cross
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     It's almost as if I'm commiting some sort of infraction the moment I step out of bed?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:39 | 3454393 Jreb
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I keep waiting for the knock on the door followed by "Sir we are aware you up arrowed a subversive comment on ZH tonight. We'd like to ask you a few questions."

Followed of course by the sound of zippers and folding/unfloding latex in the background.

Then again my tinfoil hat has been missing for a few days. I'm sure everything will be fine..... it could never happen here. Right?

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:37 | 3453737 Goldilocks
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Fall of the Republic HQ full length version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU (2:24:19)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:09 | 3454216 Pure Evil
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Is there a Cliff Notes version, my attention span isn't what it used to be what with all the vaccines they've injected and the GMO foods I've been eating.

But, the SSRI's I'm taking provide a really colorful light show.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:41 | 3453745 ShrNfr
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There is too much Federal Government and too many taxes, but the US was a different country in 1913. Lots of immigrants coming who wanted to work. High birth rate. Innovation in radio, electricity, and other stuff made for a lot of increased productivity.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 08:07 | 3455541 tango
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Yes, many technologies we take for granted were introduced at this time.  But the question is why here in this new nation without a long history of scientific research, education and scientists?  That's what's never asked.  THe point:  we had the freedom to build wealth that funded R&D and people had enough disposable income to buy a product making version 2.0 automatic.

State worshippers ignore the data - more control, taxes, regulation and laws inevitable damage productivity. Over the past 30 years the dollar shrank, folks stopped saving and the State became the dominant force in a "consumer" economy fueled by massive debt. Currently we are in the midst of another technological groundshift.    The disrputive technologies (computers, nano, robotics, biotech, etc) will make a much more profound change than the ones created a century ago.  No one really knows what will happen. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:41 | 3453747 Burt Gummer
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Fuck you woodrow, douche.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS2Z19yTuPI

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:47 | 3453772 yogibear
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May he rot in hell.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:09 | 3453883 machineh
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It would be worth going to hell for eternity, just for the privilege of sticking a hot poker up Woody Wilson's ass and giving it a hard twist, along with some toilet plunger action.

Before kicking off, I would risk a burglary conviction to break into the National Cathedral and piss on his grave.

'But officer, I was just inebriated and looking for a warm place to sleep.'

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:34 | 3454001 krispkritter
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Any coincidence they put his mugshot on the largest bill ever issued in US Currency? UberDouche...knew exactly what he was doing, feigned regret or not.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:31 | 3453751 Seasmoke
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When Geithner didn't pay his taxes. I realized no one has to pay their taxes.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:44 | 3453757 TrustbutVerify
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The income tax opened up a steady and massive flow of cash that could be used for politcally biased spending - whether from the left or the right.  Some worthy, no doubt, but absulotely not all.  We are at pandemic levels of this spending sickness new.  

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:44 | 3453758 Bossmech
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T_Minus 16 minutes till Kwangmyongsong 3-2 (KMS 3-2) is directly over the eastern seaboard. Could this all be part of the plan?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:46 | 3453769 yogibear
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The Fed and IRS were created about the same time.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:56 | 3453810 Mark123
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Dear God...surely you are not suggesting that we the people are being managed?

 

We are free....FREE I tell you!!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:49 | 3453776 ebworthen
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Talk about a disincentive to work and an incentive to milk entitlement programs - the Income Tax and the I.R.S. and their obscenely obtuse code and S.S. enforcement tactics are it.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 08:31 | 3455598 tango
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For the second year in a row, someone has stolen an SSN on my tax return.  The IRS will not say whether it is mine, wife's, or children.  SO, I now have to jump hoops to "prove" who I say I am.  I have done our returns every year until now.  Folks died and the inheritance laws were incomprehensible - like a foreign language. 

I was scolded by an IRS bitch (sorry, but that's the only word) because I had not "prepaid" for the taxes I owed in the year they died (2012) instead of the normal year (2013).  How could I have know they were going to die?   I should have "known" and "not knowing the rules is no excues".  She topped it with I should have "seen to the important things".    Therefore, I could be subject to a penalty for not filing earlier than the next filing date.  And a CPA confirmed this.  Unbelievable. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 08:46 | 3455632 overmedicatedun...
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what appears to be a problem could be a blessing, if the IRS has a fake return - do not file one and let them prove you did not..sometimes identity theft can be used if one wants to take the risk.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:56 | 3453781 wisefool
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I am going to stick to my earlier ideas, and suggest that we do a 1 for 1 swap out between the Education system and the IRS.

PhDs in education now get top jobs at the FED and treasury.

Bernanke, Timmay, Krugman, are now at DOE designing curriculms that will enhance the next generations of americans in public schools.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:54 | 3453799 Mark123
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Our poor old founding fathers and all those who died and suffered to create this once great country based on limited government and rule of law. 

 

All gone, and repopulated with poor, ignorant masses looking for riches.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 19:57 | 3453817 100pcDredge
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Just Print... right?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:06 | 3453867 fatman51
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You can agree or disagree with the income tax. You can say it is too large, or the government has too much power. Whatever. But to say that you were better off as an american at the beginning of XXth century than you are today, is a little bit off base. Do not idealize good old days. They were not all that good. Here is just one example from a research paper:

RESULTS:

Infectious disease mortality declined during the first 8 decades of the 20th century from 797 deaths per 100000 in 1900 to 36 deaths per 100000 in 1980. From 1981 to 1995, the mortality rate increased to a peak of 63 deaths per 100000 in 1995 and declined to 59 deaths per 100000 in 1996. The decline was interrupted by a sharp spike in mortality caused by the 1918 influenza epidemic. From 1938 to 1952, the decline was particularly rapid, with mortality decreasing 8.2% per year. Pneumonia and influenza were responsible for the largest number of infectious disease deaths throughout the century. Tuberculosis caused almost as many deaths as pneumonia and influenza early in the century, but tuberculosis mortality dropped off sharply after 1945. Infectious disease mortality increased in the 1980s and early 1990s in persons aged 25 years and older and was mainly due to the emergence of the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) in 25- to 64-year-olds and, to a lesser degree, to increases in pneumonia and influenza deaths among persons aged 65 years and older. There was considerable year-to-year variability in infectious disease mortality, especially for the youngest and oldest age groups.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:20 | 3453925 machineh
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And what did Big Government contribute to these advances in health care?

Nothing.

In fact, Woody Wilson's stinking war, besides killing 116,000 Americans, was the vector for the 1918 flu epidemic.

Why do you credit the malicious arsonist instead of the firefighters?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:20 | 3453929 UGrev
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Maybe I'm think, but how did me getting robbed of 37% of pay make pharma better?  

We glory for the good ole days where your money was YOUR money. Do not think this to be some desire to live in a time when people thought feeling the bumps on your head could tell you what kind of person you were. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:20 | 3453932 nmewn
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A better research paper would be to conclude that all those wonderful strides are the result of...an income tax.

That paper will never be written, with a straight face ;-)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:18 | 3455028 Boxed Merlot
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A better research paper would be to conclude that all those wonderful strides are the result of...an income tax...

 

Sounds like a doctorate in the making.  In fact an economic Nobel award on your way to a place at the table with Davos personalities if you're fortunate enough to have a Jerusalem banker serve as a peer reviewer.  PK jr.? 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:27 | 3453963 Overfed
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So, the Fed, and the IRS cured tuberculosis and gave us a vaccine for Polio?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:32 | 3454342 machineh
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They also cured leprosy and halitosis, and gave us Viagra.

So all those taxes were so worth it! /sarc

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:01 | 3454151 headless blogger
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Might be the Quality of life. Around the 1st decade of 1900s, the average life span was something like 47. Now, people live longer, but with that many people end up living 10-30 years basically as invalids in old age.

People need to go to nursing homes and look at these poor people being kept alive by "modern medicine", which actually looks a lot like experimentations.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:23 | 3454300 samsara
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Not so at all.  Actually for a person around 30 years of age,  life expectancy was about what it is today.

Now for someone age 1 year old or less,  We have a much longer life expectancy now.

It was the cure of childhood illnesses and child birth deaths that helped life expectancy.

If you made it adulthood back then, you had about the same life span as today.

(I do agree with your sentiments about people being "Kept Alive though)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:21 | 3455357 pies_lancuchowy
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The progress occurred IN SPITE of the GOVERNMENT, not THANKS to the GOVERNMENT.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 08:48 | 3455640 tango
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Nobody disputes that we are better off thanks to advances in science.   Government initiatives greatly improved health for the population.  But anyone with an atom of sense knows that fighting disease benefits, improving sanitation, decreasing infant mortality, etc benefits the citizenry.  A large part of this is due to the simple passage of time and the almost miraculous drugs from Big Pharma, to use a term beloved of the Left. 

But there is an enormous difference between funding for common sense solutions (disease erradication, vacinations, clean water, food, etc) on one hand and social engineering and the nanny state on the other.   There is a balance that most folks would not find difficult to attain.  Public schools, clinics for the poor, crime prevention, property certification (titles, etc) and fighting disease are things most Americans would (and should) support as a function that is usually the province of a government.   But funding for unneeded wars, a blind DC  bureaucracy, massive cradle to grave welfare and deepening debt do not fall into this category. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:20 | 3453933 Help Is Not Coming
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Form yourself a 501-C Non-profit trust. Donate all of your taxable income to the trust. Have the trust loan you the money at a reasonable interest rate and take that money and use it. Viola! No more income tax. The IRS hates it when you do that.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:35 | 3453991 wisefool
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No. They. Dont.

Go to a strip club. be the most obnoxious, leery eyed, invalid, you can image exists. Put a dollar bill on a recently dipped thong and you will be acknowledged as a king.

Go back a different day. Buy a drink, act professional. relax in chair far from the stage. Look at the beauty around you. Tip the waitress $5 dollars and tell her you have to leave. She will scold you for not waiting for her set in 10 minutes.

The IRS is not about money in the era of QE. its about control.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:44 | 3454049 Help Is Not Coming
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Point taken. I agree with you completely. It IS all about control.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:51 | 3454080 wisefool
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And for the record, I have never tipped a stripper at club. But in my youth, I might have tipped a waitress or two when assigned wingman to a bachelor party.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:45 | 3454051 hooligan2009
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taxes are a "privelege" gifted to the government by the people...they are not a "right" of the government to take...

why does the lobbying of a few thousand sycophantic lobby groups (to increase costs to people in defence, healthcare and banking) get more attention by the 435 + 100 + 1, than the rights of tax payers to pay the minimum of tax for the highest quality of service, by the government?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:47 | 3454070 MedicalQuack
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You are right, the wealthy have the power and technology any more to pay little or zero.  That is a big deal and the more this is publicized the better.  I am both a consumer and privacy advocate and Bill Moyer in his video "United States of Inequality" was kind enough to give us a number on how much cash compaies have stashed today and it is $1.7 trillion!  When we see those idiotic reports promising to "save" trillions, ignore those but pay attention to the "cash" trillion.

It's the models and the algorithms doing it.  I started blogging about that about 4 years ago and all thought I was nut, so they couldn't do that, well yes they can and did, mostly because of the digital illiteracy at government levels.  They don't use logic either and still grind everyone on the OMG stuff that gets you adrenilin going...we we all run around mad as hell at stuff we have no control over, but they purpose was accomplished, keep those folks disrupted so they can learn.

So now being excise taxes was mentioned aboove, it's a campaign of mine to license and excise tax the "data selling corporatiions and banks" not us this time, their tax to be paid quarterly.  They can afford it as you have Walgreens in 2010 making short of $800 million...sellling data only.  Ok add on banks and all the other companies and entities selling data...dollars in profits are in the billions and nobody monitors any of this as they can't see intangible income or get their heads around it. 

Consumers would win here too with a federal site requiring all who buy a license to list what kind of data they sell and to who and gives law enforcement something to enforce as right now they can't do anything.  This is a summary and I have other detailed posts.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/02/time-has-come-to-license-and-tax-...

Now what should really hack you off in this area of data selling is look at Blue Cross and United buying your Visa and Mastercard data from the banks!  It's an epidemic and they don't know when to stop.  I did have to laugh a little as Blue Cross said they were mining the credit/debit card data to find people who were buying clothes one size larger..last I looked obesity and being over weight is pretty visual and you have weight on medical claims..so what else are they doing?  We all pay higher premiums to finance some of this junk data mining as they turn around and query it with some other data base and soon you read about a new analytic service they have.  So you have your gas station charges and what ever else you put on there for them to work wiht and then sell it for profit. 

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/03/insurance-companies-are-buying-up...

Everybody is whining about the NIH and FDA...well take this tax and fund them where needed. 

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2012/09/one-more-good-reason-to-tax-data....

Time to devalute the "algorithms" here a bit and collect some tax money from those who have it and abuse selling data.  Everything you click on while signed in to Google is profiled and can be sold.

I greeon using more excise taxes from those who are benfitting, not those suffering from the bad models and algorithms taking more money from the middle and low class. 

 

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 20:51 | 3454088 headless blogger
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For One Hundred years these people have been stealing from the American people....AND the rest of the planet. 1913 was a bad year: we got the Federal Reserve that would go on to control and manipulate private and public wealth and create turmoil and terror domestically as well as internationally. We got the Income Tax to strip Americans from their independence and wealth to pay for the Quadrillions wasted on war after war, spy agencies, massive government, and specifically to pay for the Elite Controller's lifestyles and trans-humanistic plans.

What would the world look like today if there had been neither Federal Reserve Act or Income Tax?

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:00 | 3454146 Tombstone
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...the tax code is 13 miles long...LMAO...soon to be overtaken by 22 miles of regulations and rules from  O'Bummercare.   What a government!  Socialism really is the answer,  right Marxy Baby?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:49 | 3454471 alfbell
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If Americans weren't so pathetically dead in the head and fearful, we could all refuse to pay our taxes and shut the govmt down immediately, unless they made big changes in their size and policies both domestic and foreign (including ending the central banking system). But the sheeple are too heavily drugged and placated and continue to trudge in and orderly fashion towards the slaughter house. (Long plaintive sigh.)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:53 | 3454492 Fix It Again Timmy
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Government - mankind's greatest invention [for pissing away OTHER people's money]....Paying a six-figure tax bill that probably will pay the yearly salary of a SEC cretin who watches porn all day at work....F' me, I'm about to blow.....

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:41 | 3454746 FIAT
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When did the "jews" slither from the sewers of krakow and odessa and wash upon these shores?

Wasn't much before this, was it?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:29 | 3454919 OneTinSoldier66
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I like the idea of a "Free Competition in Currency". Let the market decide.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:22 | 3455037 MeBizarro
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I am utterly baffled at those who think 19th century America from the end of the Civil War to the start of WW1 was some kind of panacea for most Americans.  Average life span rose a bit during the later 19th century but it was still on 49 years (and only 47 for males) in 1900 in the US (really good records due to the US Census and birth certificates) and very high rates of infant/child mortality.  Death was a constant in life for just about everybody. 

It is woefully ignorant of history and largely misrepresentative of history whether you were a farmer in the South or Midwest (almost exclusively a sharecropper or a tenant farmer in the South even if you were white), someone working in a mine or on a railroad, or some working in a factory/industrialized setting in the North or Midwest.   Just go back and look at the amount of huge labor strife and large amounts of radical literature both on the left & right during the period in the US.  Hell you had numerous instances where large private industry (often with the backing of local/state militia and even federal troops on several occasions) essentially waged armed conflict vs group of workers/citizens.  

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:38 | 3455062 Neo1
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Convincing Congress to Abolish the Fed   http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html

Use federal reserve notes and incur an Irrecusable obligation. The puzzle is complete!!!

A Banksters defeatism (realization of defeat) nightmare, Being forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money, Use the Remedy within the Federal Reserve Act. Redeemed 12USC411 - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/411

Refusal Penalty 12USC501a – http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/501a

 http://savingtosuitorsclub.net  Stop being a Slave!!!!!! This is Tax Free Money!!!!!!  http://stormthunder.com/         

Irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a  term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." This is distinguished from a recusable obligation, which according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The Income Tax succinctly described is an irrecusable obligation.

The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent, which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law, which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply. The people have it within their power to strip the Fed of its powers, rescind private credit and get the bankers to pay off the National Debt should Congress fail to act.  

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:58 | 3455159 Kirk2NCC1701
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When everything is taxed, we don't "own" but "rent" our stuff and freedom.  Like in feudal ages.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:44 | 3455164 Radical Marijuana
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"Should America go back to a system where there is no income tax and no Federal Reserve?"

THAT IS A TRICK QUESTION!

It is NOT possible to go "back" ... It is only possible to go forward. Even when the current system collapses into chaos, it will still not then be possible to go backwards. ... Since almost nobody is able and willing to accept that, there is no coherent organized resistance to the runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut that the Fed and Income Tax are crucial components of, because there are no genuinely better sets of solutions to the chronic political problems being offered. Instead, there are mostly calls to go "back" to American Traditions.

MEANWHILE, every second that we spend discussing these problems, they are automatically growing WORSE, FASTER ...

Not only are the financial numbers NUTS, but also the human population numbers are NUTS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ

Immigration by the Numbers -- Off the Charts

That video is a review of those SOCIAL FACTS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxcEIpbNBjU

Who opened America's borders?

That video is a look at WHY those FACTS exist.

The second video also interrelates to the deeper reasons WHY the Federal Reserve Board and Income Tax exist in the forms that they do today, despite both of them being prima facie unconstitutional. Those reasons WHY are that America was covertly taken over by the best organized gang of criminals, the biggest gangsters, the banksters.

For a "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" view of that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImefSYpySwA#!

Change is on the Horizon Part 2 of 3 The American Federal Empire

For another example of how runaway NUTS the multiplying problems are:

http://videos2view.net/tax-fraud.htm

HOWEVER ...

Since the facts are the facts, there are no practical political solutions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Zw9EhjyU3JU

CNN Goldman Sachs & the Zio Matrix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R71jdLWjFIc

Rense & David Duke - How The Tribe Controls The World

Of course, the organized crime gangs are effectively tribalists, & of course, it is clear which is the dominant "tribe" in control!

HOWEVER, since the facts ARE the facts, 99% of the people continue being sheeple, and so, there are no practical solutions to that. Although Jews are less than 2% of the American population, they fund more than 50% of the American political campaigns, and effectively dominate the flow of information to most of the American people, who have been victims of the best brainwashing that money could buy. Since the American people have been at the butt end of the most scientific propaganda campaigns there have ever been, for over a Century, they are drowning in established systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, and they appear to be going down for the third time.

Furthermore, since the few that are somewhat aware of that are reactionary revolutionaries, whose "solutions" are all based on the same old-fashioned bullshit of somehow going BACKWARDS, which is NOT possible, there are no reasonable hopes for the foreseeable future of these problems. Mostly people who criticize the runaway organized crime that has taken control of the Federal government of the USA then propose a series of political miracles, which are going to take us BACK to the American Traditions. THAT GOING BACKWARDS IS IMPOSSIBLE IS SOMETHING WHICH THEY TEND TO REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE.

As the immigration SOCIAL FACTS demonstrate, American Traditions have already been undermined and overwhelmed by other social forces. Moreover, for a host of good reasons, the only ways forward are through profound paradigm shifts in political science. BOTH our human ecology AND our political economy should be changed at the same time, because there actually ARE combined money/murder systems.

Economics is a dismal science.

Ecology is a doubly dismal science.

Economics times ecology is dismal cubed.

Any serious discussion of a new monetary and taxation system MUST be based on the murder system operating the death controls. That is the case because the established systems are the result of the application of the methods of organized crime to take control over the political processes of the government, primarily through the funding of the political processes, throughout every level of bribery, intimidation and assassination possible. Therefore, no practical changes could ever survive and come to fruition outside of those social realities. More importantly, the emerging problems are all about runaway exponential growth causing new systems of human ecologies, and industrial ecologies, along with natural ecologies, to evolve ...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:45 | 3455378 writingsonthewall
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Another hypocritical capitalist - you are happy for your capital to travel the world freely - not so happy to allow the labour to follow it.

Love the way you blame immigrants for the lack of jobs when it was the corporations that shipped your jobs abroad instead!

In addition to that you dismiss ecology as a science simply because you cannot accept it's findings - in that it will interfere with your petty little life and that's all you give a shit about.

It's people like you that have given this site a bad name.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3457056 Radical Marijuana
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writingsonthewall of the public washroom, it is almost amusing to look at the degree to which you are projecting upon me what you presume.

While I agreed with the first two points you made, as abstractly true things, as background social facts, (and I even somewhat agree with your general view with respect to deliberately ignoring ecological facts, in order to keep the same social habits going) I find it quite bizarre the way you blame me for being on the side of those things.

The reality is that everything I might say or do will continue to be insignificant. I suppose that could give this site a bad name, but then, appart from some things they can do in their own lives, most of the people who read or post comments on this Web site are not able to change any of the runaway insane politics, such as the existence of the Federal Reserve Board, and Income Tax, for a Century, in an incestuous relationship where most of the money from the income tax ends up going to pay the debts to use the Federal Reserve System's money.

Anyway, IF you wanted to know more about me, rather than project your pet theories (which may well be correct) onto me, as somehow someone to blame, then just click on my name, and follow the link there.

However, I get the impression you want to also stay in your own knee-jerk world, blaming someone who can do practically nothing to change the ways things for, for the way those things are.

My comment above was just links and statements about the apparently real social facts. I do not defend those as good things, and it seems ridiculous to blame me for the ways those facts exist.

The next hundred years of debt slavery, enforced by tax, is guaranteed to be orders of magntide worse than the last hundred years. ... However, I cannot accept any blame for that, including not accept any assertion that I should change those things, since there are no practical political ways that I could change anything.

Instead, I find that the more one learns about politics, the worse it gets. Indeed, I suppose that I too am doing not much more than mental masturbation in the public washroom, since my view is that learning about the social facts finally leads to the conclusion that we are all terminally screwed, since there are no realistic ways to stop the things I talked about from automatically continuing to get WORSE, FASTER ...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:18 | 3455177 strayaway
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The income tax transferred the bulk of taxation from import companies onto the backs of middle class Americans while shifting the demand for labor from our Country to cheaper foreign labor.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:45 | 3455250 Hobbleknee
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They will never teach this in public schools.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:40 | 3455375 writingsonthewall
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...because it's dumb and they don't teach dumb things in schools - it defeats the purpose.

Why do you think it's a good idea to teach children money is the ultimate goal?

That is what this half baked analysis is based on.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 18:51 | 3459794 Hobbleknee
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I don't know where you got the idea that I meant that-  probably projecting your own failures to obtain wealth.  Anyway, I meant that they will never teach that there was a time when America had no federal income tax and was better off.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:38 | 3455372 writingsonthewall
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This article is stupid - of course America's greatest growth period was under a time of no taxes - just like the growth of African nations outstrips the growth of the US today.

The problem is at what COST to society - growth is not better for society than cohesion and certainty.

The author must believe that money is everything as only someone with such a foolish view could conclude that low tax bringin growth is worth talking about.

I find these people are the first to complain when the state is no longer there to assist then when theyneed it.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 07:01 | 3455396 wisefool
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whose definition cohesion? whose definition of clarity?

At a base level, if you have an activity that is universally recognized as good: an individual deciding to work, then why punish that activity? That single person is not warping the economy. They are not capable of creating a monopoly. they are just pursuing a dignified life.

As far as "the state", government workers are by far the largest cohort of people who are in tax arrears. and they collectively monolithically DO steer civilization with the "right" to use force on civilians.

Its not about the concept of taxation or state. This thread is about how the individual income tax as implemented, subjectively or in contrast to the rest of the paridigm, could only have an evil underlying goal.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:59 | 3455391 overmedicatedun...
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the biggest part of our economy is .gov, those who have wealth to protect (elite( think  Warren B, B Gates) use .gov to grow wealth and bribe .gov by supporting the right pols and speaking the right thoughts. technology should have reduced .gov but .gov expands daily..first on taxes and then on debt..what we have today is illusion of freedoms and benefits. massive .gov is the problem, dissolution of the republic is the only answer. smaller .gov = freedom.

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