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Five More Undetonated Bombs Found In Boston; Death Toll Rises To 3

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UPDATE: *AT LEAST 3 PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN MARATHON BLASTS: BOSTON POLICE

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon explosions, the WSJ is reporting that counterterrorism officials have found what they believe to be five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area. The devices - which are in addition to the two that exploded near the finish line of the marathon - were discovered over the course of a frantic inspection of suspicious packages. Each had been rendered inoperative or was in the process of being rendered inoperative.

 

Via WSJ,

Counterterrorism officials found what they believe to be five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area, according to two people briefed on the rapidly moving investigation.

 

The devices—which are in addition to the two that exploded near the finish line of the marathon—were discovered over the course of a frantic inspection of suspicious packages, many of them abandoned as pedestrians, runners, and others scrambled away from crowded public streets. Each had been rendered inoperative or was in the process of being rendered inoperative, the officials said.

 

But the officials also sounded a note of caution, saying they are moving quickly and each device they believe is a bomb hasn't been fully dissected or analyzed.

 

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a White House official said: "Any event with multiple explosive devices - as this appears to be - is clearly an act of terror, and will be approached as an act of terror."

 

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Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:04 | 3454779 Kprime
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dd

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:02 | 3454805 Kprime
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Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:02 | 3454808 Kprime
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"no innocent human being, ever, under any circumstances, deserves to have a random bomb go off suddenly in some public space.

So what are your thots on a, 

carefully scheduled, friendly bomb,  from a United Nations approved country, dropped by a U.S. approved drone, which kills civilians including 8 year old kids?

Just tough shit or do your terrorist inspired feelings still apply?

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:56 | 3454983 Professorlocknload
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  Ah, "friendly bomb" there kprime! +1000

  And it's interesting a Senator from California tasked with calling in those nasty guns from the hands of evil Americans  is also the recipient of very generous campaign contributions from General Dynamics, a creator of those fine drones!

  But, as a member of the Senate Committee on Appropriations, she would never allow one of those instruments of civil destruction to harm children, no?

Hypocrite Nation!

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:52 | 3455154 potlatch
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you mean in warzones or lawless areas?  Such is life.  If you hate it: move to Boston, you are always welcome to come to cvilization.

 

my sentiments expand to all innocents, but there is a difference in callousness in military action in a lawless zone, and a clandestine act of sabotage or destruction aimed merely and specifically at civilians on a holiday.  the one is tragic, the other is diabolical.

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:46 | 3455210 object_orient
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I posted this already, but you are just being dense today. I see you're one of those "rally 'round the dictator" kinda people.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:32 | 3454353 Barnaby
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Those who are about to be black-bagged salute you.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:37 | 3454381 lasergoh
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Need to get the victim's families to Air Force One and on to the White House for a proposal to increase background checks on all would-be bomb buyers and demand all bomb owners register their bombs with the ATF!!!

 

Also, propose that ALL k-12 schools and other institutions of higher learning be declared bomb-free zones.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:40 | 3454387 Iriestx
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My money is on a false flag attack. Expect CNN tell you shortly that this was a gasoline and gun powder bomb. Get ready for new, extreme checks and controls on gun powder. Gun control legislation is failing. If they can't ban the guns, they're going to take away a key component of ammunition.

 

Wait, citizen. Our database says you're trying to buy more than two boxes of ammo in a month. Clearly you're building a bomb. Please put your hands up and come with us.  Stop resisting, citizen!

 

Trying to order an 8lb keg of powder for reloading? Sorry citizen, purchases of that size are limited to ammunition manufacturers that have been licensed and submit to federal oversight.

 

You should also expect to be searched and ID'd any time you get on public transportation of any kind, as well as a TSA presence and metal detectors at sporting events or any other public event with over 1000 people. Random stop and searches anytime in public.

 

You look suspicious standing next to that trash can. Papers please, citizen.

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:50 | 3454468 F. Bastiat
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Anything is possible today, for sure.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:32 | 3454713 Kprime
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Let's just ban civilian ownership of bombs.  That will stop all these senseless crimes.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:49 | 3454778 toys for tits
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I picked the wrong week to start a tree stump removal business.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:38 | 3454391 JR
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"When multiple devices go off, that's an act of terrorism…" – White House spokesman

When more than one airplanes goes into a foreign country, not at war with the United States and bombs indiscriminately, does that not create terror on the ground; does that not extinguish innocent life; and when America’s partner in crime, Israel’s Mossad, operates multiple assassinations and targets officials in foreign countries, are those not acts of terrorism; is not the expansion of Obama's kill list - the list of terrorism suspects whose assassinations he personally authorizes – the strategy of a terrorist?

When Obama vowed 2 hours ago - those responsible will "feel the full weight of justice " – was that not the kettle calling the pot black?

Without justice, there is no peace…  Thre is no peace, because there is no justice.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:50 | 3454465 F. Bastiat
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Obama's a delusional sociopath.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:43 | 3455205 freedogger
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Safe to say that one down arrow was a fat finger error.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:38 | 3454392 RiverRoad
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Consider who truly benefited from this Boston massacre:  those who planted the bombs and sold short into a sure thing, at 3 PM no less.  Just like 911; a sure fire, pardon the pun, way to fill up their "treasury".  BTW as Goldman knew, there was an inordinate amount of short selling in the weeks prior to 911; a little matter our government won't discuss.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:40 | 3454398 q99x2
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I hereby formerly call for the resignation for the big fat lesbian in charge of DHS.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:40 | 3454405 FIAT
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big fat "jewish" lesbian

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:55 | 3454502 Hedgetard55
Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:03 | 3454565 seek
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My vote would be to call for the disbanding of the DHS, a useless organization if there ever was one.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:20 | 3454653 Savyindallas
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Impossible  -big fat liberal lesbions are untouchable - too bad she's not a straight white christian male  -we could get rid of her for sure. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:49 | 3454461 F. Bastiat
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Far bigger bombs than this go off every week in Iraq. Still.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:48 | 3454463 nicoacademia
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i just wonder who they gonna blame it on this time.

 

hearts out to the marathon runners. and the people from around the world there.

victims...of such vicious cruelty and evil.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:53 | 3454499 Mark123
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Any event with multiple explosive devices - as this appears to be - is clearly an act of terror.

 

What is a bomb dropped from a drone/plane...?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:58 | 3454529 Spastica Rex
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Freedom®

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:49 | 3454776 nick howdy
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Freedom and/or Liberty seem to only be obtained by death...It can't be any good!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:57 | 3454811 nick howdy
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So someone thinks they are free within the current Fiat Ponzi paradigm? No one is free, you don't have a choice to work outside the system...You are not free.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:02 | 3454531 headless blogger
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Tom Ashbrook of "On Point", show on NPR keeps talking about the "Patriots" day going on in Boston. Then he had a bitch on (sorry to all female dogs) that went on that this was a hallmark of a Non-Jewish White Anti-Government group....and she went on to quote the Southern Poverty Law Center, which works on labelling of "Hate" groups.

It sounds like they are going to keep building on the "patriot" movement and then finally pin it all on some group or lone wolf person associated with Anti-Government.

My question: who in the United States is "Pro-Government"? So much talk about "Anti-government" extremists, yet I don't know one person that is Pro-Government. If this was "anti-government" group they would have attacked a State or Corporate-State organization.....That is never the case. It always HELPS THE GOVERNMENT.

 

All Pro-Government individuals please come forward and identify yourselves.....

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:04 | 3454575 Spastica Rex
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My question: who in the United States is "Pro-Government"

 

While I was employed there, every single person who worked at the Intermountain Education Service District (an arm of the Oregon State Department of Education) in Pendleton, Oregon - a little Republican rodeo town out in the wheat fields. The IMESD was the largest employer in town 

Give someone a $75,000 salary for sitting on their ass and they'll often support you.

Refeudalization

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:12 | 3455103 TheDarkKnight
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Next Question: What happens when that $75,000 can't purchase them anything?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 21:58 | 3454542 Zer0head
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Worldwide Twitter Trends
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#prayforboston

(finally a ranking trend Twitter hashtag that doesn't mention #childslavery, #starvation, #dronedeaths, Cancun #beheadings,Chicago daily #murders etc)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:02 | 3454563 bilejones
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The coporate media are having a hard time with this, I guess they haven't been told who to fit up for it.

Ideally it'll be a Palestinian member of the NRA with a concealed carry permit.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:04 | 3454567 loregnum
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Awesome, sounds like another false flag. So at least seven bombs, only 2 detonate, minimal deaths and they magically find all the others after the fact and within hours. Yeah, nothing fishy about that. Naturally the two that did get detonated were low damage and in the msot visiible spot so they were able to get the same fear/outrage effect but with limited casulaties...it's the false flag playbook. Even the 9/11 flase flag had a low death toll given what it could have been thus backing up the false flag probability.

I just hope they tell me the patsy was looking for max deaths so the evidence doesn't come close to fitting the supposed motive. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:50 | 3455214 lakecity55
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"Oh, oh, Gladio!

Oh me oh my my bomb-io!

Oh, oh, Gladio!"

-apologies to v morrison.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:06 | 3454579 bilejones
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The corporate media are a also pushing the Patriot Day/Wako/okc
anniversary.

I guess they haven't been told who to fit up for it.

Ideally it'll be a Palestinian member of the NRA with a concealed carry permit.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:16 | 3454633 Savyindallas
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and a Ron Paul supporter, a Homeschooler,  and small business owner who believes in Liberty, and the Constution  and who who wears a guy Fawkes mask on Halloween dressed up as V. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:39 | 3454734 Pure Evil
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Well, actually it will be anybody who's voter registration is anything other than Democrat

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:54 | 3454792 nick howdy
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Well if you didn't donate lately....You're on the list...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:47 | 3455211 lakecity55
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Ideally it'll be a white Palestinian member of the NRA with a concealed carry permit.

Please forgive my edit, but I thought you left that adjective out by mistake.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:15 | 3454637 steelrules
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This is how a society is shut down, it's like reading the history of any desopt regime that ever was.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:21 | 3454648 Shizzmoney
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Roubini already has his take:

 

So it looks like 1 of the sleeper cells on the Eastern Seaboard woke up. & since the NYC Marathon was cancelled they went for the Boston one

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:24 | 3454670 jbvtme
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if they have an ounce of self respect they'll cancel the interview with robbie parker tomorrow...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:42 | 3454751 Savyindallas
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Robbie Parker threw out the first pitch at the rangers first ball game this year. I guess it beats George Bush doing it  -as much as I love the Rangers, everytime I see that psychopath sitting with Nolan Ryan-I want to vomit. Robbie parker will be richly rewarded by the elites for being the useful idiot who will help disarm America so the rich can plunder and enslave us without fear of us brining back Madame Guillotine- or in Texas we'll just string them up on the nearest tree

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:23 | 3454671 lolmao500
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Yeah but how many people got shot in Detroit and Chicago today?? I bet more than 3.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:27 | 3454688 gabeh73
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Never forget- operation gladio. Yes the CIA will kill innocent people in order to move the political situation in their preferred direction .

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:42 | 3454752 dexter_morgan
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OK, I'll bite. What is it they are looking to get out of this?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:35 | 3454724 Stanley Lord
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They are going to blame this on gun powder.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:40 | 3454741 dexter_morgan
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Makes sense in a sick way - they (DHS) bought up all the ammo, but reloaders could still load, so now that'll likely be yanked from them too.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:55 | 3454794 Pure Evil
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Personally, I think the DHS purchases are pure bullshit. They're preparing for two major wars and needed the cover to manufacture .223's without telling the American public what they're up to. Until I see the warehouses stacked to the rafters with hollow points is the day I believe it.

This bombing bullshit is just to gin up emotions so that the MSM can direct the hatred to the necessary enemies.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:18 | 3454884 otto skorzeny
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.gov is not that fucking intelligent or subtle.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:25 | 3454908 Pure Evil
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So, exactly how did they manipulate the dumb American sheeple into the Afghan and Iraq wars?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:58 | 3455217 object_orient
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It seems you answered your own question

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:42 | 3454750 onlooker
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I read the /Left tried to “first lie” that the /Right was involved in the Boston bombing. I read here at my Fight Club Site some attempt to black helicopter the CIA and govment Ops types as responsible. There is little grief or horrified response that I hear from /left or /right.

 

This is a tragedy in Boston. And even more tragic for our Nation is the gathering of Sandy Hook people for their purpose (related to the slaughter of their children) and have people blown up by another monster who was not stopped by laws, intel, covert, police, Homeland Security, gun laws, or any of the zillion solutions we attempt to stop insanity.

 

In that there is a major fight to pass an Immigration and a Firearms law which seems to have the focus of DC over the critical issues we face, pay attention to any spin that can be used to advance any agenda pro or con to whatever.

 

WE seem to have reached a point where this is not the Nation of all the people. It is the Nation of those who garner the most power with an intent to destroy the opposition.

 

The dead and wounded and the families of Boston need our love and compassion. They are our people and the people of our people. Compassion does not cost a lot and even the poorest and richest of us have a lot to give.

 

We can hate and detest and fight the rotten sons of bitches that disagree with us, but they are our sons of bitches after all. Not sayin some of them don’t need hangin, but that’s not the point.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:57 | 3454807 adr
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We need to be so compassionate that we create websites for charitable giving before the events take place.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:44 | 3454756 Bloodstock
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Holy FN crap! Our government is absolutly useless when it comes to protecting us. USELESS! Just another reason why we all NEED an AR 15 with 30 round clips, to protect ourselves and our families from (whoever) these terrorists are. Although witnesses at the scene reported seeing bomb squad personell and bomb sniffing dogs on the scene before the bombing started!!! Another false flag at work!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:54 | 3454795 GeneralMunger
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Completely agree.  The gov't could not possibly be more useless.  There is survellience of all communications, internet, cell phone, etc....video survellience.  Devices that track location of citizens through toll roads, cell phone calls, etc, etc.....

Yet with all the billions of $$$ spent and loss of individual liberty since 9-11 Americans are in greater danger than they have ever been.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:23 | 3455039 therearetoomany...
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Agree with you....we are no better now than those middle east shit holes with people blowing each other up...And they want to take our guns away.  

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:55 | 3454799 toys for tits
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How ironic it would be if the dogs were only able to find the decoy bombs and missed the real bombs.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:03 | 3454774 GeneralMunger
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Ho hum.  Give it a week to ten days and this latest "tragedy" will be relegated to the attention of one Fox News reporter and a handful of back bench junior congressmen...and yeah, it will be pointed to repeatedly by talk radio and the growing number of folks that believe every mass shooting or terror event is another false flag.

We're living in a seriously ill, seriously F'd up country. 

In December of 2001 some dumb SOB tried to rig a bomb in his shoes, so for the last 12 years all Americans must take their shoes off to get on a plane.

Some time later an even dumber Sumbitch tried to take out an airplane by attempting to blow his nutts off.  So now many Americans are strip searched at airports.

Less freedom, less liberty, LESS security.  What will Big Brother come after next?  Another crisis, almost like clockwork on the heels of the last one - another crisis to take adavantage of.

Beam me up Scotty!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:20 | 3455036 therearetoomany...
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Papers to get around maybe?  What are you doing here?  Why are you buying large quantities of bullets, gas, fertilizer, etc...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:51 | 3454783 Curt W
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We live in intersting times, I have seen a lot in the last 50 years, but I think the next 25 years are going to blow my mind.

There are a lot of things I expect to happen, but it will be the unexpected that will shock and awe me.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:56 | 3455265 Arkadaba
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I thought I had seen a lot but but the first few months of 2013 have blown me away. I don't know what to expect next. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:53 | 3454787 adr
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If this was a true attack, what an absolute failure. Three dead and a few injured?

One person or a group of people went through all the trouble to plant seven bombs and two go off?

One crazy guy with a softball bat could have done more damage. Imagine of someone had a gun, or multiple guns? However unlike Aurora and Sandy Hook, there would have been cameras catching everything if it was a shooter.

There were thousands of people on the street. Some guy in Iraq can build an improvised bomb and kill a few hundred people in a market, but seven bombs in a crowded city during one of the biggest events of the year in Boston kills three?

The explosion looked to be less than a few M-80s dropped in a trash can. The shrapnel looks like it caused the damage, not the bomb itself. Perhaps an oversight, not realizing the bomb would blow up the trash can and send metal flying through the crowd.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:47 | 3454873 GeneralMunger
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adr....dude - sorry but I think you're underplaying this; whistling past the graveyard.  This is a BFD.

I don't care who did this, it could've been a dirty bomb and next time it might be.

The sad part is this federal gov't, along with many states, has spent trillions of $$$ and taken untold liberties from the American people - they're are tens of thousands of wannabe Jack Bauers running around trying to look like tough guys in fatigues and blue shirts...........................yet there are no Jack Bauers left in our nation....they've been driven out by politically correct, metrosexual beta-males like Barrack Hussein Obama.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:40 | 3455065 MeBizarro
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You have no idea of how many threats/plots etc are threatened and if you want to live in a relatively open and free society (and the US is and you can tell most people on here don't travel much internationally especially 3rd world) then you are going to have acts of violence this regardless of how much money the gov't spends. 

Jack Bauer is a freaking TV character and real intelligence work is dull, tedious, and mindnumbing slow an overwhemingly majority of the time.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:05 | 3455222 object_orient
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Now I feel dumb for upvoting your earlier comment. Jack Bauer is a fictional character. The gloves are off. They have been off a long time now. You seem confused - reread your earlier comment.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:57 | 3454802 brettd
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Tens of billions spent by Eric and Janet for Homeland Security.

Can we expect their resignations in light of their bloody, catastrophic failure?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:00 | 3454817 toys for tits
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Are you kidding?  This was a success because of limited damage and finding the undetonated bombs.  Additionally, this shows the need for more funding, personnel, and permission requests.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:08 | 3455014 Joe Sixpack
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They were so efficient that they even happend to be running a drill concurrent with the event. That way theey were close when needed.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 22:58 | 3454809 G_T_A_44
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Daughter was 30-40 yards from explosion(s) waiting with friends, for friends, at Finish line to complete their run.

She's pretty shaken as she was witness to two young children, one dimembered hand and the other a foot.

Total chaos.

This stench resembles that of 9/11; 7/7/07 and countless others.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:10 | 3455016 Joe Sixpack
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God bless her and the victims of this.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:01 | 3454821 balolalo
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Ted Koppel just said on CBS news (7:55pm PST) that we should not raise concern for future tight security measures at all public events.    Brainwashing the people for the next level police state.  Makes you wonder what the endgame is.....

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:36 | 3455057 Ident 7777 economy
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" Ted Koppel just said on CBS news ..."

 

Who listens to those people anymore?

Ans: "A smaller and smaller group of Geritol and Cialas buyers." (Judging from the ads)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:01 | 3454824 dexter_morgan
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Don't true 'terrorist' groups usually claim responsibility for their acts soon after the acts of terror are pulled off?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:29 | 3454923 Ident 7777 economy
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+1 (duh ... yeah!)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:50 | 3455254 Arkadaba
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Yep

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:03 | 3454834 Iriestx
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Here come the mandatory unconstitutional searches for  anybody on the streets or using public transportation in MA.

 

https://twitter.com/MassDOT/status/323961163522129921

 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:08 | 3454850 Plumplechook
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Zerohedge conspiracy fucktards out in force today of course.  It's the Elders of Zion, oh wait it's the CIA,  oh wait it the Kenyan in the Whitehouse,  oh wait it's the Indonesian in the Whitehouse, oh wait its Mossad etc etc ad nauseum..

And when some Islamo-facist nutjobs are eventually caught and admit responsibility don't wait for any admission by the 'conspiratados' they were wrong.  They'll double-down on their false-flag fantasies as usual.  Its like arguing with religious fundamentalists. They just happen to know the truth and no amount of evidence will convice them otherwise.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:23 | 3454896 otto skorzeny
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power -hungry sociopaths thst rise to the top are not known for their sense of "fair play". they need a boogie man or people start to ask why the fuck are the sociopaths even needed.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 04:18 | 3455281 Colonial Intent
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Dont knock it bin laden was a better bogeyman than the immortal emmanuel goldstein,

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:26 | 3454901 Pangasius
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Fucking piece of shit shill. Your childish insults aren't going to take the attention off our evil conniving rulers. Are you paid per post or are you so stupid that you aren't aware the U.S. government is paying people to post distracting noise? Please tell us where all this so called "truth" and "evidence" are. Godamn fucktard.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:36 | 3454933 balolalo
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Plumple

try taking a real history class... only a fool would trust their government blindy. 

"Unless you become more watchful in your states and check the spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that... the control over your dearest interests has passed into the hands of these corporations."  -- Andrew Jackson  

Even on this sad day... there are many winners, including those pushing for unlimited federal power and their backers.  Question them all.   Or you are just walking yourself into the oven without saying a peep.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:36 | 3454937 NYMom
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Thats right Plumplesheep - Even when the MSM tells us it was a Islamo-facist nutjob, we conspiracy types will continue to question. Don't expect an apology.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 04:00 | 3455242 Colonial Intent
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ZH where faith triumphs over facts.

Dont matter who did it, obama will use it to act against domestic groups, just like bush did in 2001.

Same as it ever was.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:30 | 3454917 Ident 7777 economy
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Tell you what they REALLY need to do: assign a dedicated 'watcher' to every trashcan along the route of an event like this ...  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:13 | 3455024 Joe Sixpack
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We need a DSS- Department of Sanitary Security. Who to lead it? Eric Holder may be looking for a new position soon, and Tim Geitner is already available. Rahm Emanuel, after a successful mayorship of peaceful Chicagoland may be available soon, too.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:41 | 3455068 MeBizarro
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You can always do what the British did in London in the 80s after a series of IRA bombings and just remove them. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:50 | 3455150 Irene
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The French did the same.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:46 | 3454957 HulkHogan
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Terrorism!!! ...and gold is still falling. wtf.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:52 | 3454976 Ident 7777 economy
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... and silver is slowly climbing ...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:39 | 3455202 lakecity55
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Buy Moar!

Keep stackin!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:50 | 3454973 Trampy
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I think that this is all about making the sheeple WANT surveillance cameras everywhere.  Smile, you're being Watched!  And it's for your own good.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 23:57 | 3454984 Serfs Up
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I guess the only proper response for a nation in mourning is to slowly walk the S&P eminis up on low volume and then make it all magically stick iin the morning.

 

You know, 'cause.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:01 | 3454995 Yen Cross
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 My aud/jpy trade [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img705/5540/33233795.png[/IMG]

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:45 | 3455073 Manipuflation
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You want a saki?:-)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:56 | 3455081 Yen Cross
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 I want your chart? Show me something. I'm being transparent. I'm telling the TRUTH! In living color!

    BITCHeZ

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:17 | 3455030 therearetoomany...
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Thoughts and prayers to the victims of this cowardly act.

that said, gold and the market crashing, economic data all negative, the govt taking away our rights daily, the rich getting richer while everyone else gets poorer...BAM...a bomb.  

I fear this will be used, regardless of who is responsible (most likely no matter who did this it will be blamed on 'gun nuts' or the tea party) this will be used as a reason to further crack down and eliminate any remaining freedoms we do have.   You'll see...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:19 | 3455031 marcusfenix
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so, let me see if I have this straight, they found the five duds but missed the two live ones that were planted right at the finish line?

and all this happened while they were running drills for exactly this type of situation?

drills that included bomb sniffing dogs...

ok then.

so all we need now is the Iranian used car salesmen.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:37 | 3455058 NYMom
Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:53 | 3455082 Manipuflation
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No, they, the state, were just training for a large event today.  Looks like all of that money has been put to good use.  I think they caught someone smoking a doob last week though so it was well worth the expense.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:00 | 3455161 lakecity55
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If it turns out they were running 'drills' at the same time, it would be a fingerprint of a deep-state Gladio op.

Same as the Brevik (sp?) guy, Newtown, London tube bombs, etc.

Right now they say they have a lone Saudi suspect, so it could just as easily be a lone-wolf actor.

Interesting how the 'news media' first suspects regular Americans as the bomber, while we are accurately suspect 'Others.'

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:32 | 3455050 stant
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all the puts placed on april  have  won.dumb ass americans took it up the rear. msnbc and others will  blow smoke up our ass. its gun toten racist white guys who still have money

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:48 | 3455075 dizzyfingers
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Now they bring in the UN troops?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:49 | 3455079 Uncle Keith
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Oh, I just knew if I turned up on ZH, I would run into just the sort of "me first" douche-baggery that motivated whoever-the-fuck-thinks-they-are-just-soooo-right to kill American Citizens on Tax Day.

 

Yeah, kill Americans on our own soil cuz, Obama? The Fed? Taxes are an unlawful taking? Please.

 

For the rest of you me-first/paranoids, go out and try to get laid - without hiring a hooker. Then, spout your social psych based opinions on the value of Fear and Mass Manipulation.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:30 | 3455120 IridiumRebel
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"spout your social psych based opinions"
....and what the fuck is this? Come on man.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 00:52 | 3455083 Debugas
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are those bombs a part of a drill that was taking place the same day?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:05 | 3455097 Yen Cross
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  Just closed my aud/jpy trade.  Just under 100 pips.  Don't trade that pair. It's soft. GBP/JPY is good.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:10 | 3455099 Manipuflation
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Congrats.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:15 | 3455108 Yen Cross
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  You saw the truth. I'm sure you think it's easy?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:23 | 3455359 Manipuflation
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FX is easy?  No, YC.  I said congrats to you.  Someone has to to win once in a while.  Do we have a bottom on oversold PM's yet?  We will find out I guess.  Peace YC. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:12 | 3455100 geekgrrl
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I don't know, I just don't seem to get all emotional about these kinds of events. If I was there, sure, I'd be shocked, but this sell-a-shock propaganda is really wearing thin on me.

I wonder how many of what few remaining "rights" we have will be lost because of three deaths and a hundred injuries?

Maybe I am an outlier, but I would much rather be blown up in a "terrorist attack" than to live under the ever oppresive boot of the State.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:14 | 3455105 steveo77
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Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:45 | 3455141 slackrabbit
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I get it!

In order to protect us from 'terror', they will outlaw running...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:56 | 3455157 Econolingus
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Don't be silly: they won't outlaw running, they will outlaw running without a gun!

The NRA's position paper on this, a la Sandyhook, will be a classic.  If all teachers had guns, there would be no terror in schools.  If all citizens have guns, there will be no terror anywhere!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:12 | 3455172 IridiumRebel
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If there was an armed and trained security guard at that school, many children would have lived. You are lying to yourself if you believe otherwise. You get paid by the post or is it a monthly stipend?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:16 | 3455176 Econolingus
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By the paranoid reply.  Thanks for the bonus.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:28 | 3455181 IridiumRebel
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Actually, your reply is laden with paranoia to the original comment. Are you paranoid about people who have CCW? These people have to jump through many hoops. I never feel safer than at a gunshow. Your paranoid if you beleive that people who have the licensing and right to carry are just going to break out into a gun fight.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 04:57 | 3455306 bunnyswanson
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You need to keep up.  Sandy Hook as been thoroughly dissected and inquiring minds researched the involved, victims, even the goofy photographer working for the AP who...just....~happened to be there~~~.

Sloppiness includes ... organ donations.  The dream of every mother with a dying child came true that day, yet not one organ was donated.  All young and healthy.  In a sane world, the goal would be process the scene (and get some FUCKING BLOOD ON YOURSELF SINCE IT MUST BE KNEE DEEP) and get them on IV fluids and enough of a heart beat to keep vital organs from decomposing.

Look it up yourself.  I am tired of wasting time on you people. Your argument is weak and your indignation is an affront to the rationale person who does not gain great fortune off the misery of others.

I watched Wag the Dog.  ZionyWood, 6 top news broadcasters with their butt cheeks spread ~~~~w i d e  o p e n ~~~ for those dicks that promise a view to die for.

Police state requires this.  There will be a fucking army in the streets when you people are finished.  And one more thing, thanks for wrecking the democratic party you fuck.  It was the only thing in this sorry world the unfortunate had to hold onto. 

America is now Little Israel.  And I guess that makes Canada, Israel Jr.  What a sad day that we will begin living a life where every move is recorded and if you are disagreeable or unlikeable or for no reason at all, piss of authoritarian personell with a chip (boulder) on his shoulder.

Get over it.  It was a long time ago.  That is said to Israel.  Obama...says...200 years ago was a long time.

This isn't a movie set and the blowback is going to surprise the hell out of you because determination based on devotion to your ideals, freedom, justice and ability to pursue happiness far surpasses men who feel nothing when they are not destroying another.

Talking has gone out of fashion.  Cute little snippets like:  "We saw them, they died."  harharhar comes out of the mouth of a woman who is leading the strongest nation in the world.  WHAT THE FUCK!  You all have a mental disorder, sold your your sole for the love of money, or you are being forced to oblige in the take down of America.  Maybe all 3.  Self glorified frat brats who never had humble moment in their lives.  It's all a "speech for the record."  Nothing happens but there you have it....a record of it being addressed by "The greatest fucking politician who will never walk without his pick pocketing the passerbys on Main Street.  Trading off tradition and memories of 4 generations for monopolies and all the bullshit that will present to us.

God, if you are up there, you'd better take a moment out of your busy time and strike down upon the misdirected souls who believe they have it all figured out.

Jules: There's a passage I got memorized.

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4l9yK6vtCU

FB paged created 2 days prior to Boston Marathon (screen shot by those curious minds who sense the air doesn't feel right, the expressions, the reactions, are practiced, never confused or at a loss for words, it's just too perfect. 

You'll not get away with this; creating problems to insert a solution to advance an agenda.  While you bankrupt the country with military-like enforcement, scaring the citizens BEYOND DESCRIPTION.

Terrorists are taking over the world.  That is the problem here.  And they are on all the news stations, telling us how this is for the good of the nation.  For the good of future of mankind, there will NOT be a debris field where our wonderful earth once was.  The damage already inflicted upon it by the cost cutting tycoons has left us all in such a precarious position and yet....and yet....the war drums just go right on beating.  We should all be on our KNEES asking the children for our forgiveness, not terrifying them with a word called "terror" and a gang of men who hate the govt called "terrorists" with cops who fit the description of a bad scifi flick. 

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 08:51 | 3455652 IridiumRebel
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Sorry: I should have added this disclaimer....

"Should the Sandy Hook shooting have been what they say it was...." Good? I like to be inclusive.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 01:51 | 3455152 Cacete de Ouro
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I too have run many international city marathons and there have never been sniffer dogs or bomb drills, so what's going on here in Boston?

http://cdn.storyleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bombsniffingdogs.png

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:10 | 3455170 Martel
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Mr. Obama, is that a Patriot Act 2.0 in your pocket, or are you just happy to see us?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:17 | 3455175 Econolingus
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Has anyone else noticed the near-total lack (blackout) of any meaningful substance to this story?  Virtually nothing new has been reported since shortly after detonation.  12 hours have passed, and all we have is a basic wireframe: three bombs detonated; X other devices discovered and deactivated; three dead; 100+ injured; 10-20 traumatic amputations.

Plenty of headlines, and plenty of "eyewitnesses" describing gore...Obviously, authorities aren't going to go on record officially--but where are the leaks, the twitter feeds, the "officials speaking on the condition of anonymity"?   Many on this board will assert this a government conspiracy to further erode civil liberties.  But the problem with such theories is that they require ultimate competence on the part of the government--which we all know is simple contradiction.  

Also, for anyone assuming this is FF, think about what such an operation requires: someone claiming responsibility.  And failing that, at least extensive gov't mis-direction by pointing fingers, "recovering" evidence and implying leads to menacing anti-democratic actors.  This situation has none of that.

Which tells me that authorities don't know jack, and that whoever did this has everyone flim-flammed.

More to come.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:34 | 3455199 IridiumRebel
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Someone else noticed that not terror group has claimed responsibilty.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 04:13 | 3455279 Flagit
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and someone else noted these were extremely weak devices. 3 people dead? i think they lose more than that on any given sunday at a football game. english or american. thats like 1 slip and fall, 1 heart attack, and 1 darwinated douch bag in denial of gravity.

 

lets bring in our panel of experts. i would love to see them take an iron chef approach to this. choose from the ira, alcida, or even the good ol' viet cong. this shit was designed to provide minimal casualties. epic fail if you are going for gore. it was more like an attention getter from the villian in a die hard movie. i kept waiting for bruce willis to come wading out of the smoke, click a zippo, and torch the trail of fuel leading to rockefellers jet as its taking off with the last of our liberties. "hi-ho Silver, motherfucker!"

and something else that bugs the shit out of me, is why there is virtually no footage on youtube other than official news outlet footage. where is the video from real people?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 11:28 | 3456363 meatbag
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double post

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 11:27 | 3456365 meatbag
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Here is something that bugs me.  The bombs are claimed to be very amateurish.  However, amateur bombs don't explode in such a controlled fashion as to only take out the lower extremities of bystanders.  If this were a simple Gasoline and Gunpowder bomb, as it has been described then it would have exploded up and out.  Almost for certain the bombs were ground level or near ground level so 1/2 of the force of the bomb would have been reflected back up.   What that would produce is a wound profile that would be all over the body with a statistically larger portion being in the mid to upper portions of the body (due to the reflected blast).   However, take a look at this photo (warning very graphic) http://img.chinasmack.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon...

 

This photo is bizarre.  His legs are blow off below the knee, but his upper body is unscratched.   It seems to me that these in fact were not amateur bombs at all.  In fact, if they were amateur what we would have seen is a lot more  body and head wounds and thus a lot more deaths.   No, it appears to me that these were sophisticated shaped devices with intent to produce maximum injury and minimize fatal wounds.  Why go to all that trouble?  Well because a simple pipe bomb will have a semi-spherical blast and may only injure/kill people in very close proximity to it.  However, these shaped bombs caused injury to a larger group of people and these people can be made into media darlings as we follow their suffering for the next years to come (sorry for those that were injured, you did not chose to become pawns). 

This is beyond the ability of terrorists groups.  Only military/cia could produce a shaped blast that caused the injury in the photo.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:21 | 3455184 Lee Bertin
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It´s just at Pakistanien dron attack, get used to it.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:33 | 3455198 lakecity55
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The problem the Americans have is that under an Authoritarian Regime (the Republic having been overthrown), TPTB will use any event like Boston to further curtail liberties. This is textbook third-reich stuff. Whoever advises the current American puppet regime has carefully applied German National Socialist Worker's Party tactics as refined by Goebbels, et al.

An added benefit is that other outfits like the Brits can use the event to their advantage, also, on their own peoples.

Now that it is determined bomb drills were taking place the same day (and such info is being omitted by the propaganda organs of the Regime) is only further reason to suspect the Deep State as the Prime Suspect.

It's really elemental if you think about it in Reichstag Fire terms.

Americans, your Republic has been assassinated, and you will soon feel the power of a jackboot smashing on your face...forever.

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 02:42 | 3455203 e-recep
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off-topic : gold seems to be rising again. $1322 was the bottom. the fall from the top was very like the one in 2008, percentage-wise!! (february 2008 - october 2008)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:24 | 3455235 Debugas
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i hope it was not the bottom. Too high for the bottom (well above average 5-10 years' trend)

Meanwhile bitcoin is down below $60

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:41 | 3455247 e-recep
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considering the money supply that's sloshing around the world today, it seems plausible. whoever is dumping that much gold into the market for manipulation purposes can't do it forever. he is losing serious wealth. besides the east is hungry for gold as well as the wealthy people who want to dodge the deposit grabs. suppressed price levels will lure more buyers these days. heck, even the indian housewives are happy with the gold prices coming down.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 03:20 | 3459812 Flagit
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whoever is dumping that much gold into the market for manipulation purposes can't do it forever.

 

 

oh really? if they can sell more shares than there are gold bars.....

what happens when you suppress the market price by dumping shares for non-existent or rehypothricated gold?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:32 | 3455228 mrmister
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If we could ban bombs that would be a great step. Maybe no bomb area signs. Or a bomb registry. Somebody needs to start the petititon.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 04:08 | 3455275 goldenbuddha454
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This is what happens when a country allows people to come across its border illegally or stay indefinitely on tourist and student visas.  And they want immigration reform to allow millions of people who are here illegally and unfiltered access to everything.  Our politicians are really intelligent people.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:04 | 3455344 Black Markets
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No, this is what happens when you invade a country, quash their government then stand back whilst 650,000 civilians are murdered in the vacuum of law and order.

When the orphans of the Iraq war grow up into young adults and learn about what happened to their country, their parents, their lives then you might expect a lot more violence on the streets of America.

Retaliation always leads to escalation.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 05:01 | 3455305 JPMorgan
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Undetonated bombs... low death toll... something about this does not seem right to me.

The location, the targets, the timing.

Terrorists with a agenda normally come out and claim responsibility fairly quickly and state their reasons for carrying out such acts, they want it known.

So it's either amateur night or a smaller scale act of terrorism that appears botched was the plan.

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:24 | 3455360 bunnyswanson
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZcELZSlRw&feature=player_embedded#!

Boston Chief of Police would agree with our assessment there JP.

Re:  Changing name after page was created.  It's elementary to create a new FB page.  More the merrier is their motto, just click here.  So yah, it's an evil web.  Premediated.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 05:13 | 3455313 diging deep
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hmmmm..just got this off the matrix/tin hat time.....from family guy

From The Episode 'Turban Cowboy Aired March 17, 2013

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhJiiPR4K405sEk3kA

clip is 13 sec long but say a hell of a lot...(had to rip from this site as it has been taken down of utube???why)

 

just press play bottom left of screen if not auto playing??

 

 

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 03:29 | 3459823 Flagit
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uhhh.

too freaky. just far enough back to be forgotten. what are the chances this is what gave them the idea? i can see some cia asshole having a light bulb moment after this aired.

something suddenly tells me you dont infulence millions of people through television without having some form of contact with "the agency".

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 05:31 | 3455324 SunRise
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"Any event with multiple explosive devices is clearly a terrorist event" - Does this mean that all guns will be limited to only 1 round clips?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 05:55 | 3455333 Black Markets
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This is very mild compared to what happens every day in Iraq after the USA intervened to "fix" everything.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 05:59 | 3455341 cutefarts
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LOAD UP YOUR GOLD NOW. Those fresh shorts who shorted during asian session and overnight ny session are gonna feel some pain on this move. 

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:08 | 3455346 Debugas
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wait till monday to see real physical market reaction

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:20 | 3455354 pbr streetgang
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BOSTON WAS A LITTLE SIDE SHOW BY THE MONEYCHANGER S TO TAKE YOUR MIND OFF THE BEAT DOWN THAT ALL. BRING IT ON!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 07:20 | 3455432 bunnyswanson
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GcYK5LzzFVc

Stay calm. 

Interview after the bombings.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 06:30 | 3455362 wisefool
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Watching coverage this morning. Seeing pictures of the recovery effort, but also being shown lots and lots of law enforcement and military with machine guns.

What purpose would machine guns serve in a recovery effort? considering the overwhelming presence, you could easily stop a looter or a person trying to tamper with the crime scene with standard side arms. And wouldn't you want to capture either type of suspect alive?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 07:05 | 3455404 therearetoomany...
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most cops are heavily armed these days...this occurred in Boston, a huge city, and in my small town in SW FL each cop walks around wiith a glock 22 (15 shot .40 S&W) , TWO tazers, pepper spray, black jack, and shotgun and/or assault weapon in vehicle.   

also, not sure this is real or not but here it is anyway.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZcELZSlRw&feature=player_embedded

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 07:25 | 3455441 wisefool
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I don't understand how the facebook stuff works, so I have no comment on that. But the gear on the responders does not match the job. To use a baseball analogy, Every baseball player on the feild, including the hitter, could wear catchers gear. but there is good reason they don't. Infact the catcher takes off his gear when he is at bat.

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