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Shanghai Gold Exchange To Hike Gold, Silver Margins

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Adding insult to injury, the Shanghai Gold Exchange overnight announced that following the tumbling precious metal prices and limit down drop in early trading, it may raise trading margins for its gold and silver forward contracts. The SGE announced that should prices not recover by the end of the trading day (which they didn't), trading margins for the gold forward contract will be raised to 12 percent, while margins for the silver forward contract will be hiked to 15 percent, the exchange said in a statement on its website. Curiously, gold prices in China were up in early trading only to take a dramatic U-turn on Monday, reversing early gains to drop to a two-year trough once the Japanese pre-margining onslaught was unleashed on the market.

From the SGE (translated)

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Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:45 | 3449180 goldenbuddha454
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cme next?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:47 | 3449193 Dear Infinity
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Let them bring it -- the paper pushers are raining havoc on physical premiums, last I checked @ www.comparesilverprices.com the average premium on 90% junk is in the ballpark 13% range -- unheard of

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:48 | 3449195 Rubicon
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Meanwhile in Cyprus... http://img.ly/tx0F

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:51 | 3449203 gold-is-not-dead
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shortage and price drop at the same time, welcome to disneyland!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:54 | 3449215 BoNeSxxx
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It's all Greek to me...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:18 | 3449539 Harlequin001
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at this rate all the sellers will soon be gone.

And then we start the next up leg with nothing but buyers...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:56 | 3449216 GetZeeGold
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Margin call.....and we don't take stawks bitchez.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:00 | 3449233 carlsbro
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Dow 16,000. Gold 850. Go ZH!!!!! ROFL!!!!

Buy phizz buy phyzz buy phyzz. LMAO!!!!!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:06 | 3449257 TeamDepends
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We'll see who laughs last, non?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:14 | 3449295 JonNadler
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those who own phyzz don't get margin calls, they just take advantage of the lower prices. If you're not stacking at this point, you're a  (fill in favorite pejorative term)

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:22 | 3449323 Beam Me Up Scotty
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This looks like a parabolic move to the downside.  We all know how parabolic moves to the upside end....

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:40 | 3449380 gold-is-not-dead
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here's a silly projection inline with the current craziness, XAUUSD = $3000 by the end of may

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:40 | 3449376 TeamDepends
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You look like that Princeton dude...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:24 | 3449555 WestVillageIdiot
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"Douche" only has one d. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:51 | 3449415 hankwil74
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I would stack, but I've listened to you and every other ZH poster and BTFD at $1800, $1750, $1680, $1625, $1560, and $1500.  No more fiat left to turn into gold.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:01 | 3449459 TeamDepends
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Then you are sitting pretty.  Cheers!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:17 | 3449524 teahouse
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There is only one dip...that's the one you want to buy...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 11:34 | 3450313 thisandthat
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The zillion dollar question: when's a dip a dip and when it's not? Problem with dips is if you're aiming for the perfect one, you'll probably end up missing your shot, so what's a guy to do but take a shot in the dark and stick to your guns then?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:13 | 3449293 Jayda1850
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That scenario sounds awfully familiar to 2008, and we all know how well that went. but hey... maybe this time is different.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:14 | 3449298 smlbizman
Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:29 | 3449348 hankwil74
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Is there an anti-ZH ETF out there I can invest in?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:30 | 3449351 fonzannoon
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Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:09 | 3449488 pods
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Just buy some more FB shares Copper Top.


Mon, 04/15/2013 - 10:31 | 3449908 TeamDepends
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Sure!  Send a check to TeamDepends @ Disneyland...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 17:44 | 3453047 auric1234
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Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:11 | 3449283 agent default
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Welcome to the magic world of central banking.  Enjoy the ride while it still lasts.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:52 | 3449205 CompassionateFascist
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Let 'em eliminate margin altogether. It won't matter. Just keep converting debtbux to physical. Those suckers in ETF's/COMEX. Trapped in a paper Ponzi nightmare from which they cannot escape. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:14 | 3449299 agent default
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"Let 'em eliminate margin altogether.

Let me tell you something, if I pay you cash, I expect on the spot delivery, and it better be polished.  You turn COMEX to a cash market instead of the leveraged paper trade bucketshop it is today, reserves will be depleted within seconds.  Not happening.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:08 | 3449482 CompassionateFascist
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Soon "they" will have no choice in the matter. The guywires holding up the paper ponzi are trembling violently. 

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:57 | 3449220 Killtruck
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Dump and hike all you want, you fuckers. You're not going to stop me. I've already won.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:05 | 3449472 seek
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If we hypothesize that this is being done to save JPM or maximize the take from small sovereigns, then yes, CME will be next.

But doing so will lower prices, which will blow up the CME.

So either the COMEX blows up or there's a part 2 here, which somehow allows COMEX to avoid delivery without anything resembling a default.

The other thing that occurred to me -- this is a bit out in left field -- is that the US and China have been in emergency talks about North Korea. What if a deal was made, and part of that deal was China not grabbing physical during this event, or not balking on failures to deliver?


Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:15 | 3449520 Bicycle Repairman
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Who defines delivery? Who defines default?  Who can change the rules?  If you disagree what is your course of action?

Markets are desirable as long as they function as desired by TPTB.  When they don't, TPTB will adjust them or end them as needed.

The market is not going to save you, if TPTB want you.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:24 | 3449554 RSBriggs
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CME already avoids delivering by FORCING longs to take cash at a small premium over spot rather then delivering.  You can't FORCE the CME to deliver physical, even if you wanted to.  The rules say they can pay a cash premium, rather than deliver, if they want to, and they are settling this way more and more often.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:32 | 3449584 seek
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I am aware of this, but it gives the appearance of a default. If every stand-for-delivery contract gets cashed out instead of delivered, they lose their reason for existence. So there needs to be some alternative; MF Global is a good example of this, they took the heat for non-delivery (aka theft) rather than CME.

Short version: I think there's a hidden piece to this puzzle.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:46 | 3449181 Rubicon
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Long popcorn

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:17 | 3449527 Bicycle Repairman
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You'll have to be very long.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:45 | 3449182 Karl von Bahnhof
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As expected...

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:47 | 3449183 TeamDepends
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But, of course!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:45 | 3449395 Sudden Debt
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yeah... the price is just so high... good of them to get it even cheaper...

The FED is really giving it away to the foreign powers for free right now...

and nothing we can do about it.

China will become the next economic supperpower and reserve currency. By design.


Mon, 04/15/2013 - 09:27 | 3449571 TeamDepends
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As long as the commie dolla is backed by gold, we will use it.  But we won't be happy about it one little bit.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:46 | 3449185 quasimodo
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??? ??

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:48 | 3449187 Divine Wind
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Wow. Gold is on sale.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:57 | 3449222 mendigo
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The more you buy, the more you save.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 12:16 | 3450578 resurger
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Good buy signal

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 12:16 | 3450579 resurger
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Good buy signal

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:48 | 3449191 NoDebt
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DOWN goes Frasier!

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:04 | 3449245 Zer0head
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been years since I've seen that expression 

in spring of 09 almost daily

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:49 | 3449194 PeaBird
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On the way to 100% margin?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 08:26 | 3449316 Frozen IcQb
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That will happen only when the futures sentiment turn net long.

Raising margins now would force the shorts to cover.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 07:50 | 3449196 VonManstein
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A CME Margin hike would be bullish. Wont happen

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