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Anthrax Scare 2.0: Letter Addressed To US Senator Tests Positive For Ricin Poison

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Yesterday we got a flashback of 9/11, and now the Anthrax scare is back. From @911Buff

  • LETTER ADDRESSED TO A U.S. SENATE OFFICE INTERCEPTED AT U.S. CAPITAL, TESTS POSITIVE FOR RICIN POISION.
  • POISON LETTER WAS SENT TO SENATOR ROGER WICKER FROM MISSISSIPPI AT THE CAPITOL. FBI INVESTIGATING.

Ricin's toxic history is long and illustrious: starting with the death of Bulgarian dissident journalist Georgi Markov, using the infamous KGB umbrella, and most recently used by Walter White (unsuccessfully) to eliminate the meth dealing competition.

CNN has some initial bits and pieces:

An envelope that tested positive for the deadly poison ricin was intercepted Tuesday afternoon at the U.S. Capitol's off-site mail facility in Washington, congressional and law enforcement sources tell CNN.

After the envelope tested positive in a first routine test, it was retested two more times, each time coming up positive, the law enforcement source said. The package was then sent to a Maryland lab for further testing.

A photo of Senator Roger Wicker via politico:

Live webcast from Politico:

Finally, some facts from the CDC on ricin:

What ricin is

  • Ricin is a poison found naturally in castor beans. If castor beans are chewed and swallowed, the released ricin can cause injury.  Ricin can be made from the waste material left over from processing castor beans.
  • It can be in the form of a powder, a mist, or a pellet, or it can be dissolved in water or weak acid.
  • It is a stable substance under normal conditions, but can be inactivated by heat above 80 degrees centigrade (176 degrees Fahrenheit).

Where ricin is found and how it is used

  • Castor beans are processed throughout the world to make castor oil. Ricin is part of the waste “mash” produced when castor oil is made.
  • Ricin has been used experimentally in medicine to kill cancer cells.

How you could be exposed to ricin

  • It would take a deliberate act to make ricin and use it to poison people. Unintentional exposure to ricin is highly unlikely, except through the ingestion of castor beans.
  • If made into a partially purified material or refined into a terrorist or warfare agent, ricin could be used to expose people through the air, food, or water.
  • In 1978, Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian writer and journalist who was living in London, died after he was attacked by a man with an umbrella. The umbrella had been rigged to inject a poison ricin pellet under Markov’s skin.
  • In the 1940s the U.S. military experimented with using ricin as a possible warfare agent. In some reports ricin has possibly been used as a warfare agent in the 1980s in Iraq and more recently by terrorist organizations.
  • Ricin poisoning is not contagious. Ricin-associated illness cannot be spread from person to person through casual contact. However, if you come into contact with someone who has ricin on their body or clothes, you could become exposed to it.

How ricin works

  • Ricin works by getting inside the cells of a person’s body and preventing the cells from making the proteins they need. Without the proteins, cells die. Eventually this is harmful to the whole body, and death may occur.
  • Effects of ricin poisoning depend on whether ricin was inhaled, ingested, or injected.

Signs and symptoms of ricin exposure

  • The major symptoms of ricin poisoning depend on the route of exposure and the dose received, though many organs may be affected in severe cases.
  • Initial symptoms of ricin poisoning by inhalation may occur as early as 4- 8 hours and as  late as 24 hours after exposure. Following ingestion of ricin, initial symptoms typically occur in less than 10 hours.
  • Inhalation: Within a few hours of inhaling significant amounts of ricin, the likely symptoms would be respiratory distress (difficulty breathing), fever, cough, nausea, and tightness in the chest. Heavy sweating may follow as well as fluid building up in the lungs (pulmonary edema). This would make breathing even more difficult, and the skin might turn blue. Excess fluid in the lungs would be diagnosed by x-ray or by listening to the chest with a stethoscope. Finally, low blood pressure and respiratory failure may occur, leading to death. In cases of known exposure to ricin, people having respiratory symptoms should seek medical care.
  • Ingestion: If someone swallows a significant amount of ricin, he or she would likely develop vomiting and diarrhea that may become bloody. Severe dehydration may be the result, followed by low blood pressure. Other signs or symptoms may include seizures, and blood in the urine. Within several days, the person’s liver, spleen, and kidneys might stop working, and the person could die.
  • Skin and eye exposure: Ricin is unlikely to be absorbed through normal skin. Contact with ricin powders or products may cause redness and pain of the skin and the eyes. However, if you touch ricin that is on your skin and then eat food with your hands or put your hands in your mouth, you may ingest some.
  • Death from ricin poisoning could take place within 36 to 72 hours of exposure, depending on the route of exposure (inhalation, ingestion, or injection) and the dose received.
 


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Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment 88888
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A letter? have they heard of email? Well, I guess the post office could use the business.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment HedgeAccordingly
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ban pressure cookers and enveolopes!.. http://Hedge.Ly/TFPletter 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment vortmax
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Who really needs a pressure cooker, anyway? It's not like we want to take away your mom's stew pot...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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It's how the Colonel makes his fried chicken.

Pressure cookers: not just for your great grannies.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment RobD
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Pressure cooker is required for canning if you live at med/high altitude. Important part of your preps.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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******HOMELAND SECURITY ALERT******
Attention Citizen:

Please gather your papers and ID and report to FEMA Camp #8675 for re-education.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:32 | Link to Comment SMG
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This and everything else this week has the Elite Oligarchs fingerprints all over it.  I wonder which freedoms we're going to lose this time?

 

From chaos, order.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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In the wrong hands (arse) Baked Beans are far more deadly.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:05 | Link to Comment AssFire
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The goobermint can't keep track of its' anthrax, guns, planes, drones etc. already and they think they are capable of taking care of more- everything from healthcare, retirement etc... Like that stupid token hired employee that never completes anything but walks around smiling and asking for more to do.. Need to fire that fuck tomorrow, but tonight I'm drinkin!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment 12ToothAssassin
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Walter White hard at work

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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I think I've identified the 2001 Anthrax mailer:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:56 | Link to Comment seek
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They want more centralized control, so not a freedom per se, but they want your local PD to be subordinate to DHS. I.E. they want police that don't live with in control, because, you know, your neighbor who's a cop is probably on your side when then the time comes. Just look at all the sherriff reactions to the latest gun control proposals and it's obvious that local police are a "problem" to TPTB.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 21:02 | Link to Comment max2205
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At least the 3:30 ramp is back.  Ka ching!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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I'm thinking the same thing, the same thing.  But the problem with that is usually they have a person or persons of interest already in the works within 24 hours or sooner.  Something tells me this has to do with American extremists terrorists.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment espirit
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MOAR DHS, FBI, and other alphabet soup agencies - I don't feel safe.

.Gov needs to protect me from evildoers.

/snark off

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment TrulyStupid
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Sorry my friend, pressure cookers are protected under the 2nd amendment.

You'll have to pry my Pcooker from my cold dead fingers

- Charlton Deep Fried Heston

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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Molon Labe

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Hmmm... as an owner of multiple pressure cookers, should I worry?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:31 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'd thought that I'd sensed that you were under a bit of pressure lately...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:54 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"Hmmm... as an owner of multiple pressure cookers, should I worry?"

Do you have your arsenal permit?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Croesus
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Only if you have an AR15 pressure cooker....

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:18 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Anyone who needs a high capcity pressure cooker to make dinner probably shouldn't be cooking. /sarc

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:42 | Link to Comment sunaJ
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I read your comment and had upped it.  An hour later I was walking through my livingroom where the talkingheads were rattling off on MSNBC (I can't stand the shit, but someone else in my household is a drone).  The analyst suggested, "Hey, even if you know of someone that has purchased a couple of pressure cookers recently, this is stuff that they would want to know."

 

I logged back on to let you know you have them dead to rights.  You can't stop the bogeyman with reason or satire once it has been loosed.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 02:58 | Link to Comment Flagit
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get

out

now

where on this earth can i go to get away from the insanity. its like invasion of the body snatchers out there. you cant walk down the street without someone pointing their finger at you and srecaming "aaahhhhhh", until 8 other join in. suddenly the whole 500,000 population thing dosent sound like such a bad idea.

ill lay odds corning revere ends up with a bail out over this industry trashing event. couple illegal pressure cookers with super-dead chickens in china, and you can add KFC to that list.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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No, just implement a pressure-cooker and envelope registry.

That'll do it. Works with guns, right?!       hujel

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 00:13 | Link to Comment TheProphet
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Yes. The additional 30 minutes required to cook brown rice is the price we pay for vigilance.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Fucking great. Now I get to spend the next 3 months running suspicious powder calls like I did in '01. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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That's it! Thank you! '01 was when I read this story the last time. Been trying to figure out which book or movie had a similar plot and it turns out to be a fiction of a different kind altogether.  Didn't a govt employee do it last time, after spending months blaming al-ciada in the msm? Terrorism seems to be like fashion, the same old worn patterns seem to be in vogue every decade or so. 

Edit: Yep. Looked it up. It was a guy called Bruce Ivins. Apparently he committed suicide.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Sure he did

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Cornfedbloodstool
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With Tylenol no less

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:32 | Link to Comment macholatte
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Terrorism seems to be like fashion, the same old worn patterns seem to be in vogue every decade or so.

 

if it ain't broke, don't fix it

 

 

Men are liars. We'll lie about lying if we have to. I'm an algebra liar. I figure two good lies make a positive.

Tim Allen

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment samsara
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It wasn't him either.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Bob
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Seems experts disagreed:

Scientists familiar with germ warfare said there was no evidence that he had the skills to turn anthrax into an inhalable powder. According to Alan Zelicoff who aided the F.B.I. investigation "I don't think a vaccine specialist could do it . . . This is aerosol physics, not biology".[125]

And, what has always been profoundly telling to me, given what we know about the post 9-11 political climate: over 200 of his professional colleagues attended his publicized funeral after the alleged "terrorist" allegedly committed suicide. 

Let that sink in a moment.

Everybody who knew him and knew the issues to the nth degree knew he didn't do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

And now ricin on the heels of the bizarrely senseless Boston "attack." 

Looks like more false flaggin' to me. 

Good thing Obama kept Robert "Honey Pie" Mueller around past the statutory limit of his term as FBI Director. 

Mueller was originally appointed on September 4, 2001. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment The Second Rule
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Weaponizing anthrax is way beyond the pay grade of your Joe Average garage biologist. It requires advanced facilities to get the size down below 5 microns. And really even that won't work too well because it will lodge in the upper respiratory tracts. What you really want is 1-2 microns so that the particles get down in the lungs and that can only be produced in a high tech bioweapons lab.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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I call bullshit.

He didn't do it either. They just hounded him with the threat of arrest until he killed himself. Case closed.

But even if he did do it, don't forget that they hounded the first warm body they thought vulnerable until he heroically fought them off and even won a lawsuit.

And then there is that poor bastard Richard Jewell--saves the day and almost gets the gulag.

Seems to be their MO, that and engineering and "foiling" "terrorist" attacks using anyone they can find with an IQ of 70 or below. LOL and fucking scumbags.

I think that FBI is a Latin acronym for duck-duck-goose--Frebius Bruckus Goosis

hujel

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 21:06 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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dead boogeymen tell no tales

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment The Second Rule
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The movie The International had a scene reminiscent of the Markov incident.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment jimmytorpedo
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All your suicide are belong to us.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Not to worry. I'm sure the HSA will make an anouncement recommending everyone buy duct tape to save themselves. Sure worked last time.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Should we go long scotch Duct Tape?

OT:

In 1953, Soviet scientists showed that triboluminescence caused by peeling a roll of an unidentified Scotch brand tape in a vacuum can produce X-rays.[5] In 2008, American scientists performed an experiment that showed the rays can be strong enough to leave an X-ray image of a finger on photographic paper.[6]

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_Tape

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Stares straight...
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Well then, I'll never peel tape in a vacuum again. Best do it in a pressure cooker.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 05:28 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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Better off using vacuum cleaner HEPA cartridges!! Even the cheap after market ones really DO work for > 0.1 micron, so in theory at least, all you need is a respirator (courtesy of EBay) and the above filters, then you're good to go into the "Contaminated Outdoors!"

(OK you'll also need duct tape to hold it all together perhaps?? ;-) )

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:37 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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"With USPS, it's just poison and send!"

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment knukles
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Could always e-mail a picture of a pile of white powder.
Betcha that's illegal, too....

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Dunno, Scarface or terrorist white powder? Plenty of pics of white powder on Wall St.

 

Skiing with the snow bunnys!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment beaker
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Good one, knuckles!!!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment SgtSchultz
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We need stricter envelope and pressure cooker control laws!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment beaker
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Damn right we do!!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment chubbar
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I missed the crucial detail in the article. Did they get the fucker or not?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Seer
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You're not responding appropriately (FEMA re-education time).  You're supposed to act scared and run around asking to do whatever is necessary to protect TPTB.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:27 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Not only protect...but expand it.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 22:34 | Link to Comment oddball
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Would a body-cavity search help find the perp?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment surf0766
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It seems their new line of clothing isn't working out well

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:10 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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i hoped they licked the back of their stamp.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:32 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Ban the post office!  It's only used by terrorists!

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 08:36 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Just 1 point, Walter White did NOT use Ricin he used some toxic flower.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Rahm
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Ban Ricin! Oh, wait...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment knukles
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Register all Ricin poison manufacture, ownership and delivery systems.

Coincidence all this shit happening together.  Ignore the little voices in your head.  It's all coincidence.  Keep repeating after me, they're here to protect me against all these coincidences...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment jimmytorpedo
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Ricin is easier to make than Anthrax.

Unless you live near Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump Alberta.

But castor beans grow in Alberta.

Therefore all Albertans are trrrrrists.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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I know a guy who's grown castor beans in his garden all his life just because the plants are impressive. They're easy to grow and they get huge. The flowers are cool, too.

He's white, 80-years-old, and a Baptist minister, so he's probably on the short list of potential suspects.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:31 | Link to Comment worbsid
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Unless, of course, the guy in the Senate dances.  Then he becomes prime.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:44 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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This is pure laziness on the part of the powers-that-be. They're just recycling the script they used a little more than a decade ago.

And Walter White made a batch of ricin with beans. Fuckin' beans, man! As an aspiring terrrrrist*, everything I need to know I've learned from Breaking Bad.

 

*Just kidding, you snooping NSA fucks.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:25 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Well, McMolotov, you had a good run of it.  The black Suburbans will be pulling up your driveway in 3...2...1...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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*blam* *blam* *blam*

A few less fascists in the world.

 

Fuck these mother fuckers.  I have had enough of this shit.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Petrus Romanus
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Absolutely correct, pure laziness! But they did change the script a little by using ricin, from beans, instead of anthrax, from a biological weapons manufacturing facility. Me thinks the narrative is going directly to domestic, right wing, gun loving, christian, militia, patriot, ...............you get the point. Of course, terrorist will be the operative part of the word pairing, which will then become the NDAA phrase of the week.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment The Second Rule
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David Foster Wallace gave detailed instructions for making ricin in his short story Mr. Squishy.*

*Maybe that's why he was suicided.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:45 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...register castor beans, I wouldn't put it past them.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Castor beans don't kill people...

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Intoxicologist
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...lima beans do. 

At least they make me hurl.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 03:08 | Link to Comment Flagit
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register, no.

registry, like when you try to purchase cold medicine. be prepared to show ID, and remove yoru shoes and underware. TSA in grocery maybe?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Ban it at the source, friend. Castor beans are evil!

 

I took this from a cbs article on yesterday's bombing.

“They can give me a cavity search right now and I’d be perfectly happy,” said Daniel Wood, a video producer from New York City who was waiting for a train.

I bet you would, buddy.  I bet you would.  Seriously, somebody slap this dude to put the event in perspective. Terrible event, but get a grip dude.

Submissive animals give up their genitals.   

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Is he a member of the Film Actors' Guild?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Schmuck Raker
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"Matt Damon"

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment knukles
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When I was still a wild seed in college I frequently offered the contents of my nut-sack to strange chicks in bars.  Did that count as submissive?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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you dirty whore.........

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:09 | Link to Comment AssFire
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Disgusting- no doubt filthy, I would wash my dick in her sink before going back to the bar.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:58 | Link to Comment Banksters
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No friend, you were going to mount your subject.  Very Dominant!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:05 | Link to Comment RobD
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Knuk, you're killing me man, that's some funny shit right there.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:57 | Link to Comment knukles
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Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you may be fisted

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Blano
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Especially if you're flying.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Isotope
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Thumbs up. I posted that in an earlier thread. Beat me to it here. I'm considering posting it for a short time in other relevant threads. People are now almost on their knees begging for their rights to be taken away. At least 50% of the people in the US do not deserve the Constitution.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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That thumb hurts...pls put it down.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Isotope
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Sorry. Didn't see you there.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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I hope you're joking.  The beauty of The Constitution is that it protects those who are too ignorant to know that it protects them from themselves.  

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:23 | Link to Comment Isotope
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I'm fine with that, as long as they don't vote. But they do. And they repeatedly elect criminals to our legislatures who strip us of our rights.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Z'
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"People are now almost on their knees begging for their rights to be taken away. At least 50% of the people in the US do not deserve the Constitution."

...

Your comment reminded me of a "Dear Abby" letter I happened to see while visiting family last year.  I searched for it online and am providing a link:

http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20120601

DEAR ABBY: I am a single mother with three children. Several years ago we bought a puppy. When we got her, we were told if she ever gets lost, she could be located through the chip that had been placed in her. (The breeder said it was just a "shot.") You can also buy a car these days with a global positioning device installed so the car can be located if it is stolen.

The cost for the police to find a missing child has got to be astronomical. Wouldn't it be much cheaper to come up with global positioning chips for our children?

They do it for dogs and cats. When will we make our children safer than we do our pets and our cars? -- JUST THINKING IN FLORIDA

DEAR JUST THINKING: You have come up with an interesting concept, and not just one for small children. It could work for members of the military and workers who go abroad to dangerous locations, and also for people suffering from Alzheimer's disease who might wander.

...

While I found this "interesting concept" horrifying, it didn't seem to bother some people at the family gathering.

I once had a quirky, interesting and enlightening professor whom I used to regard as wearing a bit of a 'tin-foil hat'.  He repeatedly brought up how rights would be ceded voluntarily by a general public more interested in "safety" and "convenience" than personal freedoms and privacy.  Valuing privacy myself, I didn't believe him at the time.  Now I look back and I realize he was so right, it happens over and over.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Someone needs to remind her about the last time they barcoded individuals with things like tattoos. It was at places like Auschwitz.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 03:42 | Link to Comment Flagit
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IBM

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Some old dead white guy once said (paraphrasing)...those who would give up liberty, for safety, deserve neither.

Now, if JayZ or Kim Kardashian had said it...why then it would carry some real weight ;-)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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That's quite possibly the most pathetic thing I've ever heard another human being say.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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I suspect that Mr Wood would be perfectly happy with a cavity search any time he could get one.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 05:38 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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In view of "current FBI intelligence" it'll have to be a pretty big cavity (or a pretty tiny pressure cooker)!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment freedogger
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“They can give me a cavity search right now and I’d be perfectly happy,” said Daniel Wood,

And the terrerists/TPTB have won. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Is it coming from the CIA again? Because last time, it was.

The ricin was sent to Roger Wicker, a new senator... a republican senator... wanna bet the ricin was sent by an Obamabot?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Matt
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"Ricin's toxic history is long and illustrious: starting with the death of Bulgarian dissident journalist Georgi Markov, using the infamous KGB umbrella, and most recently used by Walter White (unsuccessfully) to eliminate the meth dealing competition."

*** Breaking Bad SPOILERS ***

Incorrect. Walter White pretended to make Ricin, but made a much milder poison instead, and used it to intentionally poison a small child, in order to turn Jesse against Gus.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment knukles
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One of the best on Breaking Bad was the message about online participation and the question asked was; "How many felonies were committed during the first 15 minutes tonight?"

Amazing how the audience is manipulated into rooting and cheering for a murderous criminal with no ethical or moral principles, essentially a sociopath.
But then again, grand example set by the authorities in real life.
Wait, maybe there's a hidden message there, no?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Matt
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My bad, it's been soo many years since season 1 I forgot all about the first Ricin attempt.

I think Breaking Bad is a fantastic demonstration of the slippery slope. In the beginning, Walt has a really hard time killing a murderer who just tried to kill him without any provocation. In the middle, he's poisoning a child just to manipulate someone. By the end, he's become such a paranoid lunatic, he's murdering former friends based on suspicions.

Dexter follows a similar path, going from following a code to insure the person is guilty of murder before killing them, to just spontaneously killing people he doesn't like.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:13 | Link to Comment AGuy
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"Incorrect. Walter White pretended to make Ricin, but made a much milder poison instead, and used it to intentionally poison a small child, in order to turn Jesse against Gus."

Incorrect. Walter made Ricin to poison Gus and on a much earlier episode, to poison Tuco. In both instances the Ricin poison failed to acheive its purpose.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment The Second Rule
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Almost correct. It's not that the ricin failed to achieve its purpose. It's that it wasn't delivered to the intended victim.

In the case with Tuco the ricin was placed in a burrito which was knocked to the floor by his uncle.

In the case with Gus, Jesse pulls a Hamlet and lacks the courage to poison Gus at dinner.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Seer
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"wanna bet the ricin was sent by an Obamabot?"

Shut the fuck up you Party Pussy. (it's not in defense of the Obamabots, but in defense of grown-up discussion; just tired of all these stupid childish rantings)  Red team, Blue team...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:54 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Bushbots, Obamabots, same thing. They are all statist pieces of crap.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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It's all about fomenting the toxic divide. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Blahh, Blahh.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:47 | Link to Comment Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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Anyone know where the search field on the right hand side went? My computer sick or change of ZH service policy? 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I've yet to find any site's search function that works better than plain ole Google.

For example, you'll find this very post on there within ten minutes.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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e.g.

type this in the Google search box exactly as it appears

site:zerohedge.com  "Can't these assholes wait until I sell my house?"

 

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0#complete=0&site=webhp&q=site:zero...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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LOL. That was funny! It works of course - but although having strong suspicions, I did not actually know just how often ZH'ers use the phrase "assholes". Nine pages and counting ;-)

Thanks for reply guys. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Jani
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What the fuck -- ZHers don't use evil Google

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Damn right  https://www.startpage.com/

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Can't these assholes wait until I sell my house? I dont wanna be a landlord.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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The Saudi guy is no longer a person of interest, either, and he's been cleared of any involvement in the bombings yesterday. Apparently, he was merely guilty of getting burned while also being brown-skinned and talking funny.

Look for the focus to shift back to "homegrown radical libertarians."

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Let's all forget that all the mass shooters in the last few years were registred democrats...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment One of We
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And the bombers got their bombs from FBI agents.....http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtcbomb.html

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:47 | Link to Comment knukles
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And all the first responders and law enforcement authorities were already on the spot "exercising"

And all the perps were ID'd posthaste pronto Johnny Feebee on the Spot

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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If DHS is running a drill/exercise... RUN!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:04 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Try telling that story to random people. You'll notice that not one in ten will believe you.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Seer
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More childish party pissing...  Grow the fuck up.  You're about as bad as Freddie.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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He seems like aTea Party type so they can blame it on libertarian.....

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment knukles
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White, angry, etc.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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....into freedom and the Constitution.....GET ME CHRIS MATTHEWS!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Fuck Chris Matthews in the ass in a way he won't like.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:39 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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MON., APRIL 15, 2013

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 4,825,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 4,051,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 4,000,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 3,852,000
CNN BLITZER 3,007,000
CNN COOPER 2,961,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,868,000
CNN PIERS 2,653,000
CNN TAPER 2,446,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,501,000
MSNBC HAYES 1,215,000
MSNBC MATTHEWS 1,115,000

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:54 | Link to Comment Seer
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Thank you for reminding me why I don't do MSM (or pay for any services that route money to them).

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Circle of Trust

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:33 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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IR, when you posted that 'I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of sheep suddenly bleeted out in terror, and were suddenly solaced. I fear some terrible MSM believing just happened.'

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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 ... and old.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:18 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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you guys just described me. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Isotope
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Yeah, and we know where you live.<G>

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Blano
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May I help you?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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I hereby recall my previous rants.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment ChacoFunFact
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hey, wasn't boston where they had those black hawk helicopter training exercises at night over the civilians?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I know they did in Miami.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:46 | Link to Comment espirit
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The Apaches are coming out of McDill flying over 3 Lakes WMA, and down 441 toward the south.

Urban Warfare Training from the grapevine.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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Dayton.   Pittsburgh.

 

Pick a major city.   They're going down the list.

 

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 03:48 | Link to Comment Flagit
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not just major cities.

i noticed a while back the highly publicized training events were happening in cities that contained a federal reserve bank.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:06 | Link to Comment nmewn
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We had Blackhawks up here (basing out of Gainesville Regional Airport) flying over Ocala (heading south). Thats what the scuttlebutt was here too...UWT.

They did it for a week or so but in the first few days people in Ocala started raising hell about the low overflights so we think they started swinging them out over Ocala National Forest to get to wherever they were going.

The folks in Ocala are heavilly armed, pretty decent shots and already trained, apparently ;-)

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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I think it was Boston, Miami, and either Dallas or Houston.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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they had those around DT minneapolis this past fall, scared the heck outta me.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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I think they should now start with Lance Armstrong. He is probably thinking, if he can't run, then F'em.

BombStrong!!!!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Seer
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No, people get the first bait and never bother to refresh.  It's how the game is played! (people STILL think that Iraq had WMDs [before the US introduced them there])

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment 11b40
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It will be very interesting to see which strain this comes from.

Last time, it was swept under the rug and much remains unanswered.  Almost certainly, however, they got the wrong man.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:37 | Link to Comment seek
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That's because the right man would have been politically unpopular to accuse. I don't want to feed that particular hate crowd here on ZH, but the anthrax case handling was a travesty of justice.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:04 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Well, one man's travesty is another man's whitewash, FWIW.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Seer
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"travesty of justice"

Ha ha!  As if there's any other kind?

We can only accept the narrative that They provide.  Don't like it, well... we'll make sure to brainwash everyone around you so that they will look at YOU as though it is YOU that is crazy.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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someone linked this a couple days ago, seems appropriate here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Last time, the strain was manipulated at the nano level, which only a few countries can do... then it later came out that it came from the US... of course they blamed it on a lone crazy US agent... which is total bull.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Seer
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They learned their lesson.  No need to make complicated stuff that's only traceable BACK TO YOU, just some nasty stuff that anyone could be accused of making.

Pretty soon all they'll have to do is shout "BOO" and people will jump and try to finger someone for being a "terrorist" (because they might have asked "WHO?").

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment knukles
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Oh that's right!  I'd forgotten!  The last one came from a US BioWeapons Lab...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 19:50 | Link to Comment samsara
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In comin call from Ft. Detrick...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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given the long history of "working" with ricin,

  • In the 1940s the U.S. military experimented with using ricin as a possible warfare agent. In some reports ricin has possibly been used as a warfare agent in the 1980s in Iraq and more recently by terrorist organizations.

p'haps "they" could start with the strains they've used/experimented with?

doubtful, but yeah.

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