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Germany: Land Of Poverty... Or Prosperity?

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Time after time, it appears, in Europe 'beggars can be choosers'. That is, it seems, until Cyprus when the Merkel hammer was brought down and a new 'template' to avoid German taxpayers implictly taking on the burden of southern European largesse. The initial pro-Euro indifference to the bailouts has turned increasingly to resentment in Germany - and as we noted here, the rise of anti-Euro parties in the very heart of the political project. The following Bloomberg Briefs chart explains the tension and why the German 'five-wise-men' are pushing for a broad-based 'wealth tax' across Europe's periphery.

Simply put, the Germans bearing the burden are 'poorer' than the peripheral nations as the chart of median wealth so clearly indicates. Combine this with the fact that Germany has the lowest rate of home ownership in Europe and it is little wonder that 'Alternative-for-Germany' party is already at a 3% polling?

However, as discussed here, while it may not be reasonable to ask the ‘poor’ median German household to transfer resources to southern European countries, it may be more reasonable to make such demands on the richer part of the German households and the corporate sector. The problem is that this wealth is very unequally distributed in Germany, creating a perception among less wealthy Germans that these transfers are unfair.

 

Median Net Wealth...

 

Home Ownership...

 

It seems just another massively broad disparity in the European disunion...BUT...

Chart: Bloomberg Briefs

 

But as Paul De Grauwe and Yuemei Ji note from VoxEU,

Are Germans Really Poorer Than Spaniards, Italians, And Greeks?

Rarely have statistics been misused so much for political purposes as when recently the ECB published the results of a survey of household wealth in the Eurozone countries (2013a). From this survey it appeared that the median German household had the lowest wealth of all Eurozone countries. Figure 1 summarises the main results for the most significant Eurozone countries.

Figure 1. Net wealth of median households (1000€)

Source: European Central Bank (2013).

From Figure 1 it appears that not only the median German household has the lowest wealth, but also that the differences within the Eurozone are enormous. The median households in countries like Belgium, Spain and Italy appear to be three to four times wealthier than the median German household. Even the median Greek household is twice as wealthy as the German one.

The publication of these numbers by the ECB quickly led many observers to conclude that it is unacceptable that the poor Germans have to pay for the rescue of the much richer Greeks, Spaniards and Portuguese (see, e.g., Wall Street Journal 2013, Financial Times 2013, Frankfurter Allgemeine 2013).

Is this the right conclusion?

A first thing to note is that the ECB also published the mean net wealth of households in the Eurozone. Surprisingly, the mean household wealth numbers were not given much attention in the media, despite the fact that when compared with the median numbers they provide important information about the distribution of wealth in the different member countries. We show the mean wealth numbers in Figure 2. It is striking to find that the mean household wealth of Germany (approximately €200,000) is not the lowest of the Eurozone anymore.

Figure 2. Mean household net wealth (1000€)

Source: European Central Bank (2013).

A comparison of the median and mean wealth reveals something about the distribution of wealth in each country. If the largest difference is between the mean and the median, the greater is the inequality in the distribution of wealth. It now appears that the difference is highest in Germany. We show this by presenting the ratios of the mean to the median for the different countries in Figure 3. In Germany the mean household wealth is almost four times larger than the median. In most other countries this ratio is between 1.5 and 2. Thus household wealth in Germany is concentrated in the richest households more so than in the other Eurozone countries. Put differently, there is a lot of household wealth in Germany but this is to be found mostly in the top of the wealth distribution.

The inequality of the distribution of household wealth is made even more vivid by comparing the wealth owned by the top 20% of the income class to the wealth owned by the bottom 20% of the income class. This is shown in Figure 4. We find that in Germany the top 20% of the income class has 149 times more wealth than the bottom 20% of the income class. Judged by this criterion, Germany has the most unequal distribution of wealth in the Eurozone.

Figure 3. Mean/median

Source: Own calculations based on European Central Bank (2013).

Figure 4. Wealth top 20% / wealth bottom 20%

Source: European Central Bank (2013b).

Wealth of households and wealth of nations

The next question that arises is whether household wealth is a good indicator of the wealth of a nation. A significant part of a nation’s wealth can be held by the government or the corporate sector and not by the household sector. If the question is to find out how much capacity Germany has to make transfers to other countries, a more comprehensive measure of wealth should be used. Such a more comprehensive measure of wealth is available. This is the total capital stock of a nation. This is a measure of the capacity of a nation to generate (together with human capital) an income stream.

We used available information on the capital stocks in OECD countries and updated this to 2012 (see Appendix for more information). We then computed the net capital stock per capita in the member countries of the Eurozone. We use two definitions. The first one is the domestic capital stock per capita (Figure 5). The second one is the sum of the domestic capital stock and the net international investment position vis-à-vis the rest of the world. We call this the total capital stock per capita (Figure 6). We find strikingly different results when compared with the household wealth figures.2

Figure 5. Domestic capital stock per capita (euro)

Source: authors’ own calculations, Eurostat and Database on Capital Stocks in OECD Countries, Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

Figure 6. Total capital stock per capita (euro)

Source: authors’ own calculations, Eurostat and Database on Capital Stocks in OECD Countries, Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

The most important difference is that the northern Eurozone countries are the wealthiest countries in the Eurozone. This conclusion can be made by looking at the domestic and the total capital stock numbers (Figures 5 and 6). When concentrating on the total capital stock (Figure 6), it appears that Germany belongs to the top two countries in terms of per capita wealth. In contrast the southern European countries have the lowest wealth. Wealth per capita is more than twice as high in northern European countries than in southern countries such as Greece and Portugal.

Conclusion

From this analysis it follows that it is misplaced to conclude from the ECB study that Germany is poor compared to some southern European countries and that therefore it is not reasonable to ask German taxpayers to financially support ‘richer’ southern countries (see e.g. Wall Street Journal 2013). The facts are that Germany is significantly richer than southern Eurozone countries like Spain, Greece and Portugal.

There does seem to be a problem of the distribution of wealth in Germany:

  • First, wealth in Germany is highly concentrated in the upper part of the household-income distribution.
  • Second, a large part of German wealth is not held by households and therefore must be held by the corporate sector or the government.

Thus while it is may not be reasonable to ask the ‘poor’ median German household to transfer resources to southern European countries, it may be more reasonable to make such demands on the richer part of the German households and the corporate sector. Put differently, the opposition in Germany to making transfers to the south finds its origin not in the low wealth of the country. The facts are that Germany is one of the wealthiest countries of the Eurozone. The problem is that this wealth is very unequally distributed in Germany, creating a perception among less wealthy Germans that these transfers are unfair.

 

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Tue, 04/16/2013 - 12:55 | 3456894 LawsofPhysics
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Funny, would you like to own property in Solvakia or Germany.  Lean forward bitchez.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:18 | 3456990 slaughterer
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Despite financial conservatism that leads them to over-insure themselves and never invest in the stock market, the average wealth in Germany is just comparably small to make this nation a nation of gripers and complainers and rip-off artists.  There is really no hope for this country if it gets to the Armeggedon scenario of Weimar !! as the existing populace is living on tenterhooks above a pit of poverty and existential misery. I would not expect a very supportive community of traders trading gold for services like in the American post-breakdown libertarian version because there is no libertarian and communal spirit here whatsoever--just icy separatism and belly-aching.  The average meal of a Maggi-brand dried soup packet with maybe a Dr. Oetker frozen pizza while watching SAT 2 is just so common and gives you an indication of the subsistence life quality of the durchschnittlicher Deutscher. Maybe punctuate that with a wild vacation in Thailand searching for erotic wonderment or a nice weekend in the Alps, but that is about it  Germany is poor and miserable.  

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:43 | 3457116 LawsofPhysics
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Traders?  Who gives a shit.  What products of real value does a paper-pusher really produce.  Are there humans still trading real things, yes, but not in any sort of official "market".  What garbarge.  Location matters, it's the same the world over, including Germany.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:47 | 3457124 WayBehind
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In Slovakia, they all got their homes from the government for free during the communist years. That being said, very nice country and good place to retire as it is still cheap over there compare to the rest of the Europe.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:52 | 3457156 LawsofPhysics
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Some great places in Romania as well. However, you better have a strong local tribe.  All countries, especially these areas have their problems.  Corruption is very much a way of life.  Not so necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes the most "corrupt" locations have the clearest price discovery.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 15:29 | 3457648 JR
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Gripers? slaughterer.  Without the overlords of the German bankers and their connections to the Bank of England and the Fed, the Germans would have been one of the most prosperous, independent beacons of free enterprise economics in history.

It is not funny that they are criticized for trying to survive under the yoke of tyranny and plunder instituted and magnified by one of their most infamous sons, Mayer Amschel Rothschild.

Another German son had a different approach to the world and made a much different contribution. In facing excommunication, Martin Luther sent a treatise to Pope Leo X with two primary propositions:

“A Christian is a perfectly dutiful servant of all, subject to all.”

and then, the clincher, “A Christian is a perfectly free lord of all, subject to none.”

While these two propositions seem to contradict each other, Luther explained, they were both statements by St. Paul and have been a major foundation for Christianity throughout these many years. This is the spirit of freedom that brought the Pilgrims to this land.

Our Founders were not gripers; our Founders were men of action and one can only hope that the Germans will look to their heritage in Martin Luther and not Rothschild to shake off the tyranny that has enslaved them.

And one can only hope that Americans will show their tyrants of 100 years the exit as well.

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 06:16 | 3459942 Ion the Ion
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perfectly agree .. except with the part about R being a son - that made me lol.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 17:28 | 3458221 cnx
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And by comparison, the average American's life is so much more ---  intellectual?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:35 | 3458408 Kinskian
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Being German is its own reward. We are all ill served by our politicians, but the German people are endowed with greatness.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:42 | 3457080 Ghordius
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several US-or-UK-born-and-raised bankers have moved to the German-speaking countries of Germany, Austria and Switzerland and found out that there homeowership is not the norm

usually they first start to moan about how difficult it is to find a home - until they realize that the renting market is simply stupendous

it has to be, it's a major political concern that it stays so

then they usually either stick to the customs of their own nation, hold their noses and buy something either overpriced or smaller-than-expected or they just conform to the local customs

but don't expect them to talk about it - for many it's demeaning to be a... renter - even if it's a 8-room mansion (that often belongs to a pension fund)

those three countries have found out that it's way more economically efficient, and one of the reasons why they are better off in many things

guess what? no "under-water" homeowners that can't even move closer to a new job. oh, and no trillions spent in making "housing affordable for everybody"

just huge, quite efficient renting markets. I remember when 90% of the Swiss rented, now this has dropped to... gasp!... 80%

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:53 | 3457160 Totentänzerlied
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Feudalism never ended Europe, shocking!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:01 | 3457188 Ghordius
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sigh... and what does this mean again? I remember when I had to have several apartments in europe (a special situation, I admit) and I was able to do so at a time where I could not have owned even one of them. for me, it was... freedom

think about it: as a serial/multiple entrepreneur you can keep your capital concentrated in your business, instead of a stupid pile of bricks that actually belongs more to a bank than you

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:02 | 3457197 AldousHuxley
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and the royal families are still living without being productive.

 

haves and have nots always exist. upper class will use different justifications (money = merit/market approved, king = god approved, communist leader = people approved) to stay in power which mostly are illgotten or luck.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 16:30 | 3457997 thisandthat
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People being stuck with a house they're still paying for (and will continue for the rest of their working life) is a major obstacle to the so hyped labor flexibility.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:51 | 3457147 Ghordius
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just to drive the point (home): most people in D, A & CH that own physical gold & silver keep it... in their rented homes

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:59 | 3457193 TheGardener
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"to find out how much capacity Germany has to make transfers to other countries"

Making transfers for what ? Having pointed a gun to their heads ? Foreign tanks in the street ? Transfers of loot, patents and Fraulein?

For fucks sake why would they wanted to have any of
their meager wealth being "transferred" ? Daylight
robbery called just a "transfer" , this is insane.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 12:59 | 3456905 Canucklehead
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Why go through all the effort of writing this article, and not include the "Black Market" valuations?  The premise here is that the statistics are misleading.  So, rather than trying to clarify things. the writer goes on to muddy the waters in the hopes that decent people won't know the difference.

Pull up models for the black market in Greece, Cyprus, Italy, et al and then compare them.  Get the real facts.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:06 | 3456933 LawsofPhysics
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What can anyone say.  Figures lie and liers figure.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:47 | 3457125 Ghordius
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ehmm... Greeks, Cypriots, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese and Maltese might not appreciate this - actually even Scots don't like prying eyes and analysis of how much of their economy is... underground

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:03 | 3456916 Mercury
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Germany has the lowest rate of home ownership in Europe

Well half the country was communist not too long ago....

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:03 | 3456927 schatzi
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So was Slovakia and look at their numbers. Different countries, different housing shemes.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:13 | 3456970 Mercury
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Different histories with property rights and rule of law too. Not sure how strong the track record is there.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:10 | 3457232 thisandthat
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wrong place sorry - see below

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:02 | 3457206 malek
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These statistics are completely useless, as they count a house which you still have an 80% mortgage on as "yours".

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 15:08 | 3457530 A Man without Q...
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To give you an idea of the difference between markets, there are places in Germany, on the border with Poland, where Poles who still work in Poland have moved and bought houses in Germany were prices are anything up to HALF as in Poland.  So they cross the border everyday to go to work.  Something's pretty messed up there...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:01 | 3456917 thisandthat
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All hail the #1 tool of propagandists: the almighty stats!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:08 | 3456949 Mercury
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Math doesn't take sides, it just is.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:22 | 3457020 thisandthat
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You just have to make sure use it in the right way...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:38 | 3457089 akarc
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Like maybe skewing the statistics in a manner that supports your agenda. Nah, can't be done.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:54 | 3457169 Totentänzerlied
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Statistics are not math any more than physics is math. They use math. Poorly, most of the time.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:11 | 3457252 thisandthat
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Here's a great example of how stats can be misleading, even if just unintendedly by carelessness in interpreting numbers:

The great myth of homeownership - turns out Portuguese real stats are the almost exact inverse of official stats (ie: 28% real ownership, vs. 73% official numbers).

btw: besides everything else, ZH's comment system also screws up google translate urls, so use this instead for the translation of the above link: http://tinyurl.com/cod7hsa

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:01 | 3456918 Vashta Nerada
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Wealth distribution in Germany is also skewed by the former East Germans versus the former West Germans, but wealth transfers are wrong, no matter who is being asked to transfer theirs.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:03 | 3456920 schatzi
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Conclusion: the majority of Germans are poor, but because of fat bastard 1%ers in Germany, it's totally acceptable to demand solidarity from the majority of Germans.

 

Well, fuck you in the face.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3457057 akarc
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 "it appears that Germany belongs to the top two countries in terms of per capita wealth."

For a second their I thought the article was talking about the U.S. Oh wait a second, they are. Aren't they?

"Appears" the operative word. I was taught to write that a lot. "It appears that", "It may be", "evidence would suggest"..................

Manufacturing illusions so as not to be held accountable for manufacturing illusions!


Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:06 | 3456930 A Man without Q...
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A huge proportion of German wealth is held by the owners of the Mittelstands. These companies have 70% of employees and generate 50% of the country's GDP.

Most of these firms are unlisted private companies who's ownership is very closely controlled.  Quite often they are family owned (even through several generations of owners) and shares cannot be sold outside the family.  The net consequence of this is that it has severely restricted how the economic boom has spread amongst the population.  Add to that, inheritance and capital gains taxes are quite low (and the "grey market" value of these private companies helps to keep it down).

 

Another thing is that the low rate of home ownership means there are a small number of people who own a lot of houses, and I mean a lot.

But what is also very interesting is there is a certain understanding that the owners of capital do not flaunt their wealth, but are expected to be frugal and modest.  What this means is they put their cash in the Landesbanks, who lend the money to the less prudent southern  and east European banks who end up causing a property bubble.

 

 

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:10 | 3456953 schatzi
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Insightful summary.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:33 | 3457070 europa
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Sadly, the mittelstand are zombies, supported by the bust landesbanks which have provided the funds to allow these 'business owners' to overpay themselves and meet the payroll.

There is no capitalism in Germany - just National Socialism, which once again, Germany expects the rest of Europe to pay for.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:56 | 3457183 slaughterer
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Most German Mittelstand businesses are dying off right now: their business concepts have no validity int he 21st century.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:31 | 3457338 A Man without Q...
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Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:09 | 3457217 Ghordius
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the German Mittelstand is not only a German thing, it's a widespread business model in the whole eurozone

reading your lines pushed me to give you a +1 for even knowing about it, but reading them gives me the impression you are describing a disease instead of the bloody alternative to the damn megacorporations of the UK/US business model

those SMEs keep jobs and manufacturing here, instead of shipping them East, for example. think about that

of course financial markets either ignore or hate the SMEs, than they generate no business for megabanks

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:22 | 3457302 A Man without Q...
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You get me wrong - I am supportive of the Mittelstand concept, and I think it has had a lot to do with the success of the German economy.  The attitude of the owners, the good relations they keep with unions, the willingness to keep investing in the business, all is very healthy.  In bad years, the owners pay themselves less, or nothing rather than fire workers.

But what is true is that it means in Germany, there are is a large number of enormously wealthy industrial families, and it skews the mean wealth as much as the low level of home ownership.

And yes, the banks hate them because they can't sell them anything out of their bag of tricks.

By way of disclosure, my wife's family owns one of them.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:34 | 3457336 Ghordius
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it's not as if they would not pay an humungus amount of taxes, isn't it?

btw, nice nick

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:41 | 3457391 TheGardener
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"The attitude of the owners, the good relations they keep with unions,"

Good relations with their workers, not unions, if I may correct you. Which is changing since the old benevolent
owners failed to raise successors so hired managers are
increasingly spoiling the game.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:05 | 3456931 Roandavid
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It is unfair, and patently studpid to transfer German wealth to the south, regardless of where is originates.  What might ..... might ..... be more fair and somewhat less stupid would be to distribute some wealth from wealthy Germans and corporations to poorer Germans, the problem there as we all know is that they just might end up becoming the next California ..... without the climate, or as we call it here in America ..... Illinois.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:14 | 3456975 NotApplicable
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A.k.a. "South Chicago."

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:36 | 3457081 akarc
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"It is unfair, and patently studpid to transfer German wealth to the south, regardless of where is originates.  What might ..... might ..... be more fair and somewhat less stupid would be to distribute some wealth from wealthy Germans and corporations to poorer Germans,"

Kinda like when the fed gives money to Europe, or the corporations give jobs to China, or when the government sends welfare to Africa and numerous other countries.

Or maybe, just maybe when the government gives welfare to the banks and corporations so they can send money and jobs overseas. 

God it all makes sense now.


Tue, 04/16/2013 - 15:43 | 3457715 Roandavid
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Glad I could help.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:09 | 3456935 Yen Cross
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     Nice engulfing outside close on the dxy daily chart. Need moar euros to buy moar worthless PIIGS bonds.

   [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img713/1843/dxyq.png[/IMG]

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:07 | 3456939 CheapBastard
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Priorities:

 

LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- Automatic federal budget cuts will cost Michigan $150 million in funding for programs such as special education and a clothing allowance for needy kids, but none of state government's 48,000 employees will lose their jobs, the state announced Monday

 

http://news.yahoo.com/michigan-no-layoffs-federal-budget-145036993.html

 

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:20 | 3456999 vote_libertaria...
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...or have one penny cut from their pensions.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:22 | 3457015 kito
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heres a thought.....all of those 48,000 employees keep their jobs, have their perks CUT, and needy kids still get shoes to wear so they have some dignity and hope........and mentally disabled kids still learn to read and write so they dont become complete wards of the state when they get older.................oh yeah....i forgot.....this country already sold out the next generation.... 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:24 | 3457024 adr
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THOSE DAMN REPUBLICANS TAKING AWAY CHENISE'S JACKET!!!!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:07 | 3456942 alex_g
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Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't look like pensions held by Govt and Corporations are included in the calculation.  I would be willing to bet that pension assets held in Germany are far higher than in any other EZ country...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:10 | 3456957 timbo_em
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So richer Germans, Dutch and Austrians should support Greece et al so that richer Greeks can keep on avoiding taxation? RUFKM?? If Greece is not able to organise its spending and income, noone else is.

Plus it's actually still illegal for other countries to support Greece. But nowadays the rule of law means absolutely zero.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:11 | 3457162 Ghordius
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a small correction: it's part of several treaties, i.e. countries have no right to be bailed out, in europe. this does not mean that those who want to bail the others out are forbidden to do so

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:26 | 3457317 timbo_em
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In English the Lisbon Treaty says "a member state shall not be liable for...". The German and Dutch version, that was ratified by those countries says: "a member state is not liable...".

According to a lot of constitutional lawyers this wording is a prohibition, not the lack of a duty. This is the reason why every eurocrat still stresses the Greece for example is still liable for its bailout although only a lunatic assumes that the country will repay its debt.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:15 | 3456978 kito
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wait..."owning" a home is a sign of wealth???? really????.....so taking out an fha 3% interest only loan, and then opening a home equity line of credit on the "owned" home, which has a home price far below its 2006 worth, and which has a purchase price being propped up by bens low interest and mbs purchases, coupled with banks and fanne withholding inventory.......... is now once again considered a sign of wealth?????? hahahahahahah....................

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:20 | 3457289 TheGardener
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A home is "wealth" kito as it generates a return :
property tax ! Not really wealth to the "owner" though...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 15:57 | 3457811 Umh
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In most countries it's going to be more than 20% down to buy a home. The rest of the world may be saner than the U.S.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:18 | 3456988 Steve in Greensboro
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"... The problem is that this wealth is very unequally distributed in Germany, creating a perception among less wealthy Germans that these transfers are unfair."

No.  The author is trying to create a false conflict between wealthy and non-wealthy segments of the civil society.  The fundamental conflict is between oppressive governments (but I repeat myself) and all members of civil society.

The problem is that governments both here and in Europe are stealing money from the civil society.  This theft takes place via taxes, currency debasement and other forms of financial oppression (including confiscation a la Cyprus).  These transfers ARE unfair, because they represent wealth coming out of the private sphere and going to support governments who waste the resources they have stolen.

Governments on the verge of bankruptcy should be allowed to fail and when they do they should be made to go through bankruptcy like any other financially irresponsible entity. They should have their assets confiscated (all of them) and sold to private individuals.  They should be prevented from borrowing money for a decade.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:26 | 3457027 slaughterer
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Steve in Greensboro--totally agree.  Thanks for putting it bluntly.  

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:22 | 3457011 adr
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Wealth inequality? Like how you could kill 90% of the population of the USA and throw everything they own in the ocean and lose 10% of the wealth in the country?

Hmm, 90% less people and just about the same amount of wealth for those left. A lot more space for them too. All those useless eaters taking up space, each 1%er DESERVES 10k acres.

Maybe the real plan?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:23 | 3457014 Z_End
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Lived in Germany for 3 years. Most of my German friends are renters. While employment prospects can be good in Germany (lots of immigrants trying to get jobs there), wages do tend to be low. I know a nurse from Portugal who works the ER of a krankenhaus (hospital) in Frankfurt. She earns about 2500 - 2700 Euro per month. Needless to say, when she retires she will go back to Portugal where it is much cheaper. If you have a Masters or PhD obviously you do better there. Lots and lots of renters...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:28 | 3457034 slaughterer
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Renting in Berlin or Frankfurt means living in a loud, ugly apartment hearing every TV show, toilet flush and temper tanturm of your sleezy, duplicitous neighbours.  Slum nation of Plattenbau and Altbau.  

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:14 | 3457269 css1971
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I'm an immigrant in Germany, living outside Berlin at the moment and been here a few years now.

Something like an 85% renting rate here. Buying is unusual and the Mäklers are total sharks. There are lots and lots of poor Germans who have little more than their clothes, their depreciating car with a little bit of devaluing cash in their bank.

The article is spot on, there is a lot of wealth, but your ordinary German doesn't have it.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:42 | 3457037 europa
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The pursuit of National Socialist nirvana is Germany's only economic and political strategy.

Self-righteous widget production in an over-industrialised nation without markets, with a manipulated currency.

Marxist Merkel is the ideal leader; Schauble, already exposed for corruption, is quite at home

among the Goldman Sachs placemen and their bribed political class which is grabbing gold and asset

stripping Europe - for the third time in a century.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:31 | 3457063 rlouis
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Someone raised an interesting point - which caused me to ask: What is the black market price of gold in GReece.  ZH won't be surprised to know that a good link is from ZH in 2010.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/greek-scramble-physical-brings-gold-pri...

 

And there are those who wonder how Sprott's PHYS could have traded at "ludicrous" NAV premium of over 20%. Coinupdate.com reports that prices at which the Greek Central Bank is selling one ounce gold equivalents are as high as $1,700 (40% over spot), and prices on the black markets are even higher. The punchline, as Athens slowly returns to a forced gold standard: " A popular spot for street vendors to sell their coins is near the Athens Stock Exchange.  There the traders wait for citizens to bring payments received from unloading their paper assets like stocks and bonds." That's good - downtown Manhattan close to the NYSE has some free space for gold vendors to set up shop as well, they just need to push some of the frontrunning/collocation boxes off to the side. And in other rhetorical ruminations, is it safe to say that the last days of the fiat experiment are among us now that people themselves are bypassing the government and enforcing their own gold standard?

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 13:39 | 3457093 SixteAjoutée
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These are good news! Now we all know that a substantial part of german wealth is kept by   the government and the corporate sector.

 

So, a new Fund should  be established. Mrs Merkel & the government contribute  500 Billions. Additionally,  the enterprise sector   contributes  3 Trillion Euros. And  the very good news are, that the german taxpayer is completely  left out.

 

With totally 3,5 Trillions of cash, the Fund could easily recapitalize banks and governments in southern europe. The Euro is definitely saved,  and the sun is shining again. 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:11 | 3457242 JR
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"Thus while it is may not be reasonable to ask the ‘poor’ median German household to transfer resources to southern European countries, it may be more reasonable to make such demands on the richer part of the German households and the corporate sector.”  Germany’s wise men

This is classic wealth redistribution and criminal plunder. And now that the banker shills who make up Germany's government have stripped the German people of everything they own and a basic standard of living, they’re after the very soil, the very resources, that lie under their feet.

The point is, they’re going after it all on the implication that there are still wealthy people left in Germany, wealthy hidden resources left in Germany, wealth production stored in Germany, that can still be tapped.

Bloomberg, the WSJ and the bankers’ “wise men” are using the ol’ statistical shell game to justify taking all of Northern Europe’s resources and assets and transferring them to  the deep pockets of the Troika bankers.

Their objective is obvious. “As long as capitalism and socialism exist we cannot live in peace; in the end, one or the other will triumph – a funeral dirge will be sung over either the Soviet Republics or over world capitalism.” – V.I. Lenin

It’s understandable when viewed through the makeup of the EU’s executive body, the European  Commission.  Its appointed 27 members, one for each nation, are “bound to represent the interests of the EU as a whole rather than their home state.” IOW, the EU is the least democratic organization since the U.S.S.R. Politburo, working hand-in-glove with the IMF.

One of the 27 is the Commission President and currently it is Jose Manuel Durao Barroso, who was first proposed by the European Council and then elected by the European Parliament.

Barroso is a former leader of the underground Maoist MRPP Communist Party of the Portuguese Workers/Revolutionary Movement of the Portuguese Proletariat.

MEP’s Nigel Farage, a true hero of liberty, warned of the communistic, authoritarian nature of the current European Union, that the EU Commission, the executive body of the EU, is reported to have no less than 11 out of 27 commissioners either current or former communists.

“Sadly, the politicians in charge became very greedy and they wanted money for themselves and power and so they resorted to lies and deceit and they staged the most spectacular bureaucratic coup d’etat that the world had ever seen. But they didn’t need to use any bullets to do it; they were much more clever, much more scheming than that. But what they did was to put in place a new treaty - it was called the Lisbon Treaty - and then they gave 27 people total unlimited power. These would be the people that made all the laws. They went about building a new state, but they ignored the people. And what they did…they recreated the very evil system that the people of Eastern Europe had lived under before. But the incredible thing was that many of the new bosses had also worked for that same evil system before.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdoMssKv38o&feature=related

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 14:11 | 3457248 BattlegroundEur...
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Apart from financial businesses what tangible items do Luxembourgers produce?

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 15:09 | 3457541 Fíréan
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A comprehensive analysis of the difference between the wealth, as it is now,   of what use to bethe (old ) west and east German states would be of greatly enhance the discussion. Is the  wealth of the old east german zone was evaluated seperate would it not be one of the poorest regions of the Euro zone ?  Reference is rightly to German as a completed country yet the wealth disparity is enormous between these regions.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 15:51 | 3457766 Stuck on Zero
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Two neighbors, A & B, in the U.S. Both are the same age and earn the same amount ~$150K/yr.  Both are about 55 years old.  Neighbor A owns his home outright, $300K in liquid assets, and four pieces of property.  About $2M worth of assets.  He is very frugal, saves a lot for retirement, and drives a 15 year old car.  Neighbor B owns next to nothing but has always had a fabulous lifestyle with new cars, exotic vacations, concerts, fancy dining, and fancy furniture. 

Who is wealthiest?

Clue: Neighbor A owns his own business and has no retirement plan. Neighbor B works for the government and will retire on $140K/Yr with full medical and dental. 

 

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 16:00 | 3457835 bichat
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I don't understand why everyone keep thinking that the german taxpayers are the only one bailing out the other european countries, when everybody in the eurozone is...

And it is also kind of annoying to hear about germany great model (not in this article)...let's do like Germany and have no minimum wage so we can pay our employees 400euros...

Yeah!  sound like a dream!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:13 | 3458353 neutrinoman
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There's a simple explanation of all of this, which is that euros in different countries are really different currencies. The weird dynamics of the eurozone has produced absurdly inflated real estate prices in the peripheral countries -- that's all that's going on:

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/04/15/the-wreck-of-the-e...

This article has a link to Münchau's FT article that presents the right argument in detail. It's as if a common US dollar made real estate in Mississippi more expensive than in Manhattan.

The conclusion is straightforward: on any basis of competitive comparison, the peripherals are poorer than Germany and other northern countries. The problem is that a euro in Cyprus, or Spain, or Italy is inflated -- sometimes wildly inflated -- compared to a euro in, say, Germany. The adjustment needed is not one of Germany becoming richer, but of deflating away the mostly illusory paper wealth that has ballooned in the south in the last decade. (BTW, the comparisons are based on numbers that don't fully reflect the decline in real estate or fiscal austerity.)

The problem is that such an "internal devaluation" would destroy the peripheral economies even more completely than they already have been. It will induce citizens of the peripherals to move their deposits to northern banks, weakening the peripheral banks further. Capital controls will be needed to stop this.

It's just another way of presenting what we already know: the eurozone is a disaster, and it will split or disintegrate, without fail. The rise of capital controls is just the first step in cutting the eurozone apart. What happened in Cyprus is the first major step.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 18:32 | 3458393 Nussi34
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What a load of bull? Why should Germany care at al about the Socialists in the South. Let them go down the drain or make them work!

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