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Background Check Amendment Fails To Pass Senate, Gun Control In Tatters: Obama To Make Statement
Following a full court press by the Obama administration, and specifically gun tzar Joe Biden, to legislate "stronger" gun law in the last several months ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, the initiative may have just suffered a terminal defeat following a failure to even pass a bipartisan background check amendment in the democrat-controlled Senate. CBS reports that "In a major setback for gun control advocates, the Senate Wednesday voted down a key amendment to the embattled Democratic gun bill, signaling the increasingly dim prospects of any meaningful legislative action aimed at strengthening America's gun laws. The bipartisan Manchin-Toomey amendment, a background check expansion devised by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., Pat Toomey, R-Pa., and a handful of other lawmakers, earned only 54 votes, falling six votes short of the 60-vote threshold. Vice President Joe Biden, who led the Obama administration's months-long lobbying effort on behalf of stronger gun laws, presided over the vote."
The vote effectively kills any hope for a comprehensive law, and makes a mockery of Obama's recent aggressive anti-gun initiative:
The failure of the Manchin-Toomey amendment, which was crafted over weeks of negotiation with the aim of attracting Republican support in both the Senate and, eventually, the House, could serve as the death knell for the larger piece of legislation, though it's possible Reid will bring new amendments to the floor at a later date.
In the hours before the vote, Organizing for Action, an advocacy group that works on behalf of the president's legislative agenda, urged voters to call their senators in support of expanded background checks. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) sent out similar emails, specifically targeting a group of Republican senators who had at one point appeared amenable to the Manchin-Toomey language. Meanwhile, a pro-gun group that had previously backed the ban pulled its support.
In the end, four Republicans voted in favor the Manchin-Toomey amendment, and four Democrats voted against it, excluding Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who switched his vote from yea to nay for procedural reasons.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of those who broke with the GOP ranks, delivered a vehement defense of the bipartisan amendment in debate over the bill, and disputed the argument, touted by his fellow Republicans, that it would strip Americans of their Second Amendment rights.
"For over three decades in Congress, I have built as strong a record as anyone in this body in defending the Second Amendment. I have consistently opposed the efforts of anti-gun activists to ban guns and ammunition, staunchly defending the Constitutional rights that Arizonans hold dear," McCain said, continuing with a list citing his pro-gun credentials. But, he added, "Just as I have long defended the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I have also long believed that it is perfectly reasonable to use available tools to conduct limited background checks, as this amendment prescribes, to help ensure that felons and the mentally-ill do not obtain guns they should not possess."
"In my view, such background checks are not overly burdensome or unconstitutional," McCain said.
Obama will take the podium at 5:30 pm to speak about "commonsense measures to reduce gun violence" and justify this latest disappointment of an administration which should count its lucky stars, it has the labor force participation rate to fudge the unemployment rate with, and the Fed to ramp stocks higher, or else living in America today would be a very different thing if the full ugliness of reality was exposed for all to see.
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AB 170 ASSAULT WEAPONS 'PERSON' REDEFINITION
What on earth is this garbage? What are they going to redefine it as? My brain hurts just thinking about it.
I'm interested in the "Smart Handguns".
Mine would say "Excuse me. Where did you learn that grip? From reruns of Starsky and Hutch?"
The Boston incident isn't helping their agenda on gun control or immigration reform. The MSM is scrambling to protect Obama's image.
don't worry, according to them the "spirit of the SANDY-HOAX will not be broken"!!
incident ==> atrocity.
fixed it for ya.
- Ned
atrocity ==> terroist attack
But you won't hear that from the MSM because they don't want to jump to conclusions. So they dance around the facts and pre-emptively blame the right wing. Imaging if someone other than Barry was the Pres. The MSM has done a very good job of speculating for every single incident of violence before they know the facts. But that's to be expected.
That reminds me how quickly President Hypocrite jumped to his conclusions about Treyvon.
It's not his fault. Maybe he got his "info" from the CNBC News "Edited 911 tape" which misrepresented the facts and made it look like a racst incident. Which of course the rest of the MSM ran with and broadcast to all of the low information sheeple. How can you retract that level of disinformantion from a "News" source? They know that, still no one has been held accountable.
The word is amnesty. Nice how safe those sanctuary cities like Boston are. The finish line had loads of Saudi types in those photos.
Next step. Kill Amnesty!
EAT SHIT, OBAMA, MCCAIN AND GRAHAM!
NEXT STEP...
BAN THE IMF, WORLD BANK AND UNITED NATIONS
Yeah, this may surely affect amnesty. But it's not because the Senate has changed and suddenly has your best interest in mind. They know what's really going on and don't want to be blamed for any future incidents from radical muzzies.
Don't forget that faux conservative, not-a-natural-born-citizen great Latino hope of the GOP, one Marco Rubio. He may have just shot himself in the foot, figuratively speaking. Still, gotta admit he's better than Charlie Crist would have been, or Bill Nelson is.
Creep Charlie Christ is looking better than Amnesty Rubio slimeball with his Marco Phone from the same company in Miami doing Obama Phones.
If we do not stop amnesty - they will get gun control. This was a minor victory. The evil vermin are patient and will wait. Amnesty will get them the end to the Second Amendment. Boston could have been a flase flag distrction.
BAN CONGRESS TODAY!!!
and to McCain, the traitor, 'remember the Liberty'
http://www.gtr5.com/
If wonder if we could get Charlie to take McInsane in the Membrane back...
Will he also mention that the pre marathon bomb drill/ terror attack, happend right under the noses (literally, there are photos to prove it) of the combined forces of police, military, dhs, and STILL could not stop it???
That's why we need that civilian national security force Obama mentioned...
Sepp Dieterich couldn't be reached for comment.
- Ned
newsflash o'blather.....we ARE the civilian national security force thanks to amendment 2!
So long as I get to "test" the recruits for "The Anti-Sex League!"
The failure of all those 'combined forces' just proves that we need more surveilance cameras and more storm troopers law enforcement officers to watch our every move, Not to mention more Drones In The Homeland.
Just remember: See Something, Say Something. Turn your neighbor in. It's your patriotic duty.
We don't dial 911, they dial us..
"See something" = Coon food.
See the London Train bombing - occurred during a "drill." I guess they use it to disguise the false flag just in case someone with a phone or camera takes a picture of something they are not supposed to see.
lol worst actors in the universe!!! lol
Right +1000. That greiving father is no Robert Dinero!
@ Banksters:
+ 1 Billion, just for posting "EAT SHIT FEINSTEIN".
Hey FEINSTEIN, just in case you didn't get that: EAT SHIT YOU SHRIVELLED OLD PRUNE.
Not to nitpik, but I'm pretty sure that the word whore should be in that sentence.
There aren't enough insults within the entirety of human language that would adequately convey my loathing for her.
Save some shit for Chuck Schumer.
Now we need to make it two for two and defeat the treasonous amnesty legislation.
Join NumbersUSA today and let your opposition to amnesty be known.
Wonder if McCain can be recalled?!
ZH'ers know that gun control is not about guns, it is about control. And it has failed (for now).
How about some control of psychotropic drugs, oh wait, the pharmaceutical industrial complex disapproves.
I'm a prescriber, and I agree.
Seems like we need some pressure cooker and backpack control also.
Gun control isn't about guns, it is about control. That's right!!
At least I can respect someone's point of view if they come out and say, "I want to ban all guns right now". I know where that person stands on things. But the lying, morally bankrupt gun control advocates are social engineers. They want to ban all guns by incremental tyranny. Just a little at a time. It is called "reasonable gun control", so if you don't agree you must, by virtue be, "unreasonable". These are disingenuous moral cowards, that is how social engineering works.
why, it is "common sense".
- Ned
{and this might be a failure of Lackoff's Sophism, along the gag-line of "investments"}
Ned!
I was starting to get concerned about our little piglet ;-)
nyet, Tovarich. Just really disheartened with the events and, well, really encouraged by the reactions of the police and the EMS and normal people to the bombz. Immediate response (immediate action drill) ((playaz know this, and know how hard it it to do the drill)) of civilians was to go to the sound of the bomb. Video made me cry--pure balls, pure duty, not necessarily courage*, and all good.
Supposedly, they got the bastard, or fucked up in the announcements (Mumblez made an announcement, another channel made an announcement, AP, etc. ...) Then a bomb scare at the Fed Courthouse, then more confusion, but Fed Marshals are all around the courthouse, then there might be two suspects...
Currently, as of this post, mini-ME is saying that everything is OK and is planning on escorting ME to the "interfaith" service tomorrow.
We can be well assured that the Cherokee faith will be fully 1/32 supported at the service tomorrow.
- Ned
realtime: howie carr is on Mark Levin as we speak
"Just really disheartened with the events and, well, really encouraged by the reactions of the police and the EMS and normal people to the bombz. Immediate response (immediate action drill) ((playaz know this, and know how hard it it to do the drill)) of civilians was to go to the sound of the bomb. Video made me cry--pure balls, pure duty, not necessarily courage*, and all good."
I had the same reaction.
As horrendous as it was, to see people running toward the blasts (and not just the playaz but the average joe & joet) gave me heart. It spoke to my general feeling that...this ain't over by a long shot. We are not cowards only thinking of self in times like these. Yes, there are assholes in this world who will just look on as someone falls off the subway platform but there is a bunch who will risk their own lives for complete strangers.
"Then a bomb scare at the Fed Courthouse, then more confusion, but Fed Marshals are all around the courthouse, then there might be two suspects..."
Heard about that. Still think its more than one, most likely a cell...and most likely leftards.
Did I just say that? ;-)
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My local station cut into & carried Howie live on the breaking news when it happened, he's pretty good, straight up.
howie does a good job of being a jokesta' but he's one hell of a fine investigative reporter, lost his first marriage to (among other things) his pursuit against the Bulger gang here in the Commonwealth.
You could tune in to him @ http://www.howiecarr.com/ especially after 5 Eastern when he does the Chump Line (but not this week for that, he has standards and judgement).
Kinda' talk radio that u crackaz' nevah get to heah, 'cept with the newfangled intahnet.
- Ned
;-) and, even though it is very local, I betcha' u'd like it for a try.
Further, He spanks callers expressing despair.
"Kinda' talk radio that u crackaz' nevah get to heah..."
lol...the part I heard on the way home was he's got some "connected" ears within the community. One guy called in (Tom?) who listens to the police scanner, probably a ham radio guy too (speculatin) who are indispensable in these things in getting the info out...as long as they're the level headed/normal type and Tom was.
It's "progressive" my friend, like a cancer. By neglecting all of the small growths in our culture and thinking it's no big deal, we've allowed it to consume us.
Calling it by its proper name, "Citizen Control and Submission Act of 2013", would be just a bit too blatant.
To allocate resources in a significant manner to better protect the public's ever eroding liberty and freedoms, background checks for all pressure cooker owners must be legislated immediately for the sake of the children who hate mushy odd tasting canned peas.
Molon Ladle!
+100 for TM for you fuu. You're just a monkey with a gun though...HOLY SHIT A MONKEY WITH A GUN!!!
Ape. Ape with a gun, cousin.
Monkeys make up over 80% of the world's monkey population. You dirty ape!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6eYym47uB0
That's racist.
LOfuckingL
When you see him with his digital watch on headed for the trees, that's when you know we've had it.
strikes me, with above evidence, that there is a serial junksta' trolling down this thread and depositing his hemmeroid-dripping reddie, one per each, on a bunch of us. Pussy junkstaz' we all understand, but a sreial junksta' troll dripping reddies?
c'mon out pussy reddie junksta! Act like the hemmoroid that u are!
- Ned
Mostly harmless.
Excuse me BITCH! Well armed, well stocked, and hairier than your Mother's top lip! See the Evil, Hear the Evil, Speak no Evil, Load your Gun!
Actually now that we know, beyond any doubt, that DHS is not capable of "keeping us safe", I wonder if TPTB will let us go back to being "unsafe" without DHS.
I know - dream on.
I feel safe in my FEMA trailer.
yes, my child
What part of economic stimulus don't you understand?
Treason works at DHS, truth does not.
'Homeland Security' - I still choke on the fucking term. That's it, stir up the blind patriotism, and then anything fucking goes in defense of the 'Homeland'. What's the problem, would using the term 'Fatherland' be giving away too much of the plan?
like from 1938? Never heard of the "Homeland" before 2000.
- Ned
You have won the match!
The Rubio, McCain, Democrats Amnesty Bill needs to be destroyed as well. Those safe sanctuary cities like NYC and Boston where they want MOAR drones, cameras, TSA, etc. How about deport the illegals and terrorists?
its never over til its over........stay tuned.....more false flags to com
do you have the web-address for the false flags to com?
I wanna' watch!
- Ned
{probably not with popcorn, but maybe with ...}
As an outsider watching the gun drama play out year after year in the Various States of Detroitification, the most stiking irony of all is that it appears to me anyway that the majority of gun owners don't want to give up their right to bear arms because they feel/fear/want to be able to protect themselves against agents of their own government. Coming from a country myself that can't field much of a standing army (what could be mustered could easily be overun by pitchforks and harsh language) but gun violence and death by guns is almost non existence relatively speaking. It would seem as an observer that the relationship between the desire to own guns and the size and power of the gov'ts standing army are a direct correlation. No army, no guns required it would seem.
no shit!
Must be nice to have no army. Got any US bases we could close?
sorry i was under the impression the globe was one giant US army base, only the concentration of them had more to do with oil locations than anything else
The Swiss do it the right way. The USSA found out a long time ago that war was a good business. Who was the gerneral who said "war is a racket"?
I tend to think any gun control now would have a tough road because guns are a really big business now. Amnesty is the thing that needs to be stopped now.
Smedley Butler
OK! Now all you assholes can stop saying that Obama is "coming for your guns". He couldn't pass the most basic gun control legislation. I don't think confiscation will be the next move.
Get back on the turnip truck.
Fuck You Obama, Fuck You Biden, Fuck You Toomey, Fuck You Manchin and Fuck You Bernanke
O-Ren Ishii, puts it simply on gun control...
O-Ren Ishii: [after she cuts off Tanaka's head, in Japanese] So you all will know the seriousness of my warning, I shall say this in English.
O-Ren Ishii: [in English] As your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced that a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so, but allow me to convince you and I promise you right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo. Except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either Guns or my American heritage as a negative is... I collect your fucking head. Just like this fucker here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the fucking time!
[pause]
O-Ren Ishii: I didn't think so.
O-Ren Ishii: [calmly, in Japanese] Gentlemen, this meeting is adjourned.
The 2nd Amendment stands!
Obama knows that he's a gimp
Pulp Fiction!
Get him a gimp mask!
Yes.
Many firsts.
The first mulatto president
The first illegal alien president
The first Gimp president.
What could go wrong?
Nothing wrong with Mulattos....Better gene pool...
Othewise known as Mixies.
Mixing makes the world go round....why do you think the Brazilians are, in general, a good looking race? :) Mixing...
They're not quite black, they're not quite white, and they stink like shit. Either they're skunks, or Puerto Ricans.....take your pick.
LOL
Still bitter about getting crushed by a Persian you asshole??
Five months wasted on non-starter gun control may have prevented lots of other bad laws from passing.
It's a win for all concerned.
Plus Senator McShame outed himself as a traitor. But we knew that already.
HAPPY DAY!
+1
I never had sufficient disrespect for John McCain before. I admire his soldierly conduct in Viet Nam. But he was in it up to his neck with the S&L scandal back in the '80s. Then we see him quit the campaign trail back in '08 to return to Washington o vote in favor of TARP - and then boast about th big sacrifice he made. And now we see that he is for gun control.
F' him and the horse he rode in on.
John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.
McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.
The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.
The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.
In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.
After McCain was sent to Vietnam, his plane was destroyed in an explosion on the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1967. Three months later, he was shot down during a bombing mission over Hanoi and taken prisoner. He was not faulted in either of those cases and was later lauded for his heroism as a prisoner of war.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/06/nation/na-aviator6
"I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it."
~ Dirty Harry
Bullish for false flag gun tragedies
Yep:
5:1 School shootings increase
10:1 Crimes involving pressure cookers increase
25:1 Magpul goes into the home-canning solutions business
That's the sad thing. The totalitarians didn't get their wish, so now we know another shooting is coming, and you can bet it's gonna be terrible. Fuckin' psycopaths are in charge.
Molon Labe, Bitchez!
Senators are the BEST!
Best government money can buy!
The Oligarchs will keep trying, they will never give up trying to further enslave us.
this is my rifle: there are many like it but this one is mine
What? I can't hear you, Druts!
Ah, the Gunny....
You didn't build that rifle.
YES, I DID BUILD THAT RIFLE, AND MANY OTHERS LIKE IT, AND THEY ARE ALL MINE.
Before God, We swear this creed. My rifles and I are the defenders of our country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of our lives. So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy (foreign or domestic), but peace.
They are going after ammo. This all may be a head fake. Make ammo expensive and tax the hell out of it. This is where they will probably go. .223, if you can find it, has doubled in price. These people are so evil.
My guess is a new programmed zombie will go nuts at some school or public place. They were sure the movie cinema zombie false flag would do the trick. These people are SO Evil.
... and at some point you will have to be able to make it on your own. Sounds crazy now but that's where it's heading.
I am not a big shooter. Lost all my guns in a boat accident - tragic. I am considering reloading ASAP. The equipment is not cheap but it is like life insurance. They will try to increase the cost of powder, brass, etc. F them!
Can't reload if you cannot get it, which isn't easy or cheap right now.
I've all but quit shooting unless it is for food. I've got a few rounds, but I got them by slowly buying more than what I shot when I replenishedt. I've never been big on reloading as it was cost prohibitive due to time constraints of too many damn other interests, now it looks like it might happen.
Someone on ZH prophesised that the analysis of the bombs used in boston would show rifle/pistol powder as the propellent... I got physically sick today when NBC & CNN confirmed this meme...Absolute proof of false flag.
Ahh F! I knew there had to be some angle. Yup false flag. They don't really care about guns. The weak link is ammo. Tax it, riase the price or whatever. Gons with out ammo turns them into useless hammers.
Funny how everyone has forgotten that bombing in the other sanctuary city of NYC not that long ago. It was a muslim. Bloomberg hushed that up quickly. I cannot even find it. There was the Bangladeshi in NY who wanted to blow up the Fed in 2012.
Getting back to the other fellow on reloading. There is a good video on youtube where a father shows his middle school age son cranking out ammo on a reloading press like popcorn.
5.56 brass in .Gov auctions has climbed from about $2k for 1,000 lbs. to $9k for 1,750-2000lbs. recently...and no primers to be found anywhere(unless it's shotshell)...
A marine friend of mine told me the military is now shredding used cartridges and shipping it off to china as scrap metal. These have always been used for reloads. Something seems a bit fishy to me.
Miffed:-)
King Putt taking to the airwaves - again - is a good time for me to be in my car, listening to... anything else.
Ha! King Putt!
Would love to see that one become common usage; like Shrub.
McCain needs to crawl back into his casket and stay there. Did nobody tell him he's been dead for years now?
He is a horse's southbound end isn't he.....
And people worried about Sarah Palin.
Jesus...
They musta did something to him in Hanoi.
I guess one of those leeches made it into his ear after all!
And laid eggs/secreted cocoons/however the hell they reproduce.
They told him he could be a senator if he played ball with them. As a senator he would be a king. All he had to do was sell out when he got back home. F the senate and the evil there. Just like Rome - the senate is where the real evil is done.
The real evil is AIPAC, Israel and the Neo-Con wars..........
Actually, there was a huge shift in his attitude during/after the presidential run. Not that he wasn't a RINO before, but the amount of statist shit he spews increased 10X after that.
I'm ashamed he represents my state, and I'll be donating the legal maximum to his opposition if he runs again.
In his particular case.
Dead would be a vast improvement.
Statist RINO fuck.
Walkers need representation too!
Real "common sense" has prevailed!
I love gridlock!
Now let's hand out dueling pistols and let the Senators resolve this battle man-to-man.
"Their" narrative regarding Boston has not yet been revealed. I can only imagine.
Oh, and still no one is talking about the recent findings of a report on the US "enhanced" interrogation techniques.
(edit: what senators own gun company stock?)
How many bought call options on the shares within the last 60 days?
Sweet.
Senatize Europe, now!
Harry never had the votes, he was just making Republicans look stupid for entertainment.
Thanks, Harry, for reminding Red State voters with Dem Senators what it means to have Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader.
Let me correct that statement, Smitty, "Harry never had the votes, he was just trying to make Republicans look stupid for entertainment...but in the end, Reid overplayed his own hand and ended up looking weak."
Harry Reid is evil scum but he is buddies with the NRA. I remember a few years ago, he was dedicating some outdoor range in Nevada that the NRA had involvement with. It was very expensive and I think he made money on the land.There was some sleazy deal like all of his land deals.
After that i got pretty negative on the NRA. Gun Owners of America is a better group.
We have to stop the amnesty. Reid probably was never onboard on guns and the NRA still butters his bread. Reid is onboard for amnesty along with Rubio. If they get amnesty - they will eventually get guns sooner than later.
“Reid voted no for procedural reasons,” CBS News’ Major Garrett explains. “As Majority Leader, a ‘no’ vote allows him to bring the amendment up again.”
I know that. He is close to the NRA. I wonder if they still have pull on Capitol Hill. They semi caved on the Brady bill along with Poppy CIA Bush. .
Would that be Old Man Opium Poppy CIA Bush?
Soon to meet his hopefully hellish Judgement Day.
They should ban pressure cookers or at least make a backround check amendment on it.
You can take my pressure cooker when you pry it out of my cold dead hands!
But can you get replacement weights ?
Bring it DHS! Come take my cheese grater! Molon Labe!
I don't know about that Freddie. Those damn cheese graters can be frigging dangerous as my fingers can attest. Perhaps we should just require background checks on cheese grater users to weed out the incompetent and mandatory cheese grater training classes with an examination required for licensure. Unfortunately, in my case, I would fail and have my cheese grater confiscated. But I'm willing to relinquish my cheese grater rights if it's for the good of society.
Miffed;-)
Massachusetts would allow you a cooker that holds one carrot.
And no silencer on the relief valve.
Criminals want to do their dirty cooking undetected.
Mayor Bloomberg will now look to outlawi pressure cookers, forcing NY-ers to go back to fried food.
I heard Bloomberg only wants to ban pressure cookers that are >4 qts. capacity.
how many more years do we have to endure obama?
Well, lemme see here.
Make your day for ya'.
4 years is 16 quarters and we just finished the first in his second term, meaning 15 more or generally, about all 4 full seasons, three and a half times over.
That's a long time, folks.
Nope, he will only be relevant until Jan 2015. After that, the 2016 presidential election will be in full swing and the MSM will start to gravitate towards the new candidates. Obama won't be able to pass anything in congress. He will be a lame-duck.
I wish.
There will be an EO appointing him as Emperor Bozo I.
The WH wll be renamed as the imperial palace.
Out of my cold, dead ass, yeah!
Toomy and Manchin have just ended thier political careers. Not mention a lot of Democrat heads will roll in 2014.
i fear you grossly overestimate americans
And West Virginia Hillbillies- po' white trash that gets up at the crack of dawn to pull the Rockefeller lever like clockwork... Gotta keep that .gov cheese flowing...
Rockefeller is'nt running in 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/11/jay-rock...