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Background Check Amendment Fails To Pass Senate, Gun Control In Tatters: Obama To Make Statement
Following a full court press by the Obama administration, and specifically gun tzar Joe Biden, to legislate "stronger" gun law in the last several months ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, the initiative may have just suffered a terminal defeat following a failure to even pass a bipartisan background check amendment in the democrat-controlled Senate. CBS reports that "In a major setback for gun control advocates, the Senate Wednesday voted down a key amendment to the embattled Democratic gun bill, signaling the increasingly dim prospects of any meaningful legislative action aimed at strengthening America's gun laws. The bipartisan Manchin-Toomey amendment, a background check expansion devised by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., Pat Toomey, R-Pa., and a handful of other lawmakers, earned only 54 votes, falling six votes short of the 60-vote threshold. Vice President Joe Biden, who led the Obama administration's months-long lobbying effort on behalf of stronger gun laws, presided over the vote."
The vote effectively kills any hope for a comprehensive law, and makes a mockery of Obama's recent aggressive anti-gun initiative:
The failure of the Manchin-Toomey amendment, which was crafted over weeks of negotiation with the aim of attracting Republican support in both the Senate and, eventually, the House, could serve as the death knell for the larger piece of legislation, though it's possible Reid will bring new amendments to the floor at a later date.
In the hours before the vote, Organizing for Action, an advocacy group that works on behalf of the president's legislative agenda, urged voters to call their senators in support of expanded background checks. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) sent out similar emails, specifically targeting a group of Republican senators who had at one point appeared amenable to the Manchin-Toomey language. Meanwhile, a pro-gun group that had previously backed the ban pulled its support.
In the end, four Republicans voted in favor the Manchin-Toomey amendment, and four Democrats voted against it, excluding Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who switched his vote from yea to nay for procedural reasons.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of those who broke with the GOP ranks, delivered a vehement defense of the bipartisan amendment in debate over the bill, and disputed the argument, touted by his fellow Republicans, that it would strip Americans of their Second Amendment rights.
"For over three decades in Congress, I have built as strong a record as anyone in this body in defending the Second Amendment. I have consistently opposed the efforts of anti-gun activists to ban guns and ammunition, staunchly defending the Constitutional rights that Arizonans hold dear," McCain said, continuing with a list citing his pro-gun credentials. But, he added, "Just as I have long defended the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I have also long believed that it is perfectly reasonable to use available tools to conduct limited background checks, as this amendment prescribes, to help ensure that felons and the mentally-ill do not obtain guns they should not possess."
"In my view, such background checks are not overly burdensome or unconstitutional," McCain said.
Obama will take the podium at 5:30 pm to speak about "commonsense measures to reduce gun violence" and justify this latest disappointment of an administration which should count its lucky stars, it has the labor force participation rate to fudge the unemployment rate with, and the Fed to ramp stocks higher, or else living in America today would be a very different thing if the full ugliness of reality was exposed for all to see.
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you are very wise my friend. what a total freakin waste of time that was.
Disgusting watching that clown of a President throw a temper tantrum. STFU!
GUNS, GOD , AND GAYS!
At least we're being divided for the very best of reasons.
He talks like what he is: a bullshitting community organizer playing to the cheapseats.
In this economy the cheap seats are all that anyone can afford.
They take EBT.
I stand outside and try to peak through the fence.
. . . you mean "pee through the fence?"
Biden looks just like Stan Laurel about to cry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc52OMftJSk
Laughing out loud, for real!
I think the cocksuckers teleprompter has failed him - he kept repeating himself slowly and was totally disoriented the last 2 minutes. Fuck him!
Haha, Fuck you Obama, Biden, Feinstein, McCain, and all the rest of the traitorous motherfuckers!
You want to save thousands of children's lives Mr. POTUS?? Outlaw abortion. That's what I thought, it's really not for the children is it...........
My favorite ZH post ever:
On the hand dryer in the bathroom today, it said "push button to hear a speech from the President."
When I read that post, I immediately thought tagging hand dryers with that phrase would make for a great Project Mayhem activity.
That pic is my wallpaper.
No religion. No parents. No race. No birth certificate or country. No records of employment or schooling. No friends. No votes other than "present". A drug delaer and a homosexual.
The UN's anti-American nigger bitch.
FUCK YOU BARRY SOETERO AND YOUR 30 s.s numbers
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 How in the fuck did we get to this place?????
Couldn't care less about his skin color or his sexual orientation. Why don't you lock that shit up?
Every other word was dead fucking on.
EDIT: To be honest I have to say I couldn't care less about his religion either. The other things actually matter. The fact that we have a corporate/elite/wall street/big pharma tool fucking up our country is what matters.
And the fact that most of the above posters have around 2 months or less, makes me less inclined to believe anything other than the statements being pure, inflammatory, fuckwit rhetoric, coming from a paid troll.
Or else my opinion of the typical American has just dropped several notches.
But 1 yr and 36 weeks gives you cred?
please....
The duration no. My comment regarding yours and Fiat's postings does that all by itself. I have noticed on multiple sites the increasing amount of inflammatory bullshit which is being used to forward the very agendas that you idiots profess to embrace. The mention of both of your brief memberships at ZH is merely possible corroborating evidence.
No steers here hillbilly, just bulls. You wanna come at me? Bring it the fuck on.
"inflammatory bullshit"
who decides that? You?
eat shit, "jew"
go fuck your mother.......again
Actually, the media is who would determine what would mobilize public opinion the desired direction most, in such cases. Hence, my comment regarding your culpability and contributions, malicious intent or not.
FYI - If the best you can do is "jew" and "fuck my mother", I'm going to lose interest in fucking with you really quickly.
I suggest a format that involves trolling highway restrooms where one can quickly drop to their knees at the sound of a zipper. That way you'll have your personal experience to draw upon and contribute to the pain inflicted.
C'mon you fucking lightweight, let's go.
LOL....now who looks like the troll
Internet tough guy,....and quit upvoting yourself...
Hillbilly? never been called that before
Meet me behind the big ole'Oak tree on the other side of the lake...you know the one, the one where I caught you and Johnny kissing.
You're not? Fiat's and your postings scream out otherwise.
Rather than speak out against an imbecile potus based on his administration's total lack of transparency, his drone program that causes monstrous collateral damage and creates more terrorists than it eliminates, his dreadful mismanagement of our economy, his unceasing war on civil liberties, his blatant subservience to banking interests and Wall Street / Corporate America, his lack of backbone ( or lack of interest ) in truly confronting our nation's problems and instead diverting attention to issues of relatively minimal depth that only serve to divide us,
.......you waste your time resorting to ( or agree with ) calling him a nigger, a fag, and a muslim.
By this alone, I would say the tag is justified, by my understanding of the term. Perhaps you think I judged you too harshly. Perhaps it is my own hypocricy, and I have similar guilt as you, in utilizing such language in describing another.
My point is this. Even if you or Fiat for that matter, are not paid trolls, your childish need to resort to such attacks when matters of infinitely more dire concern are afoot not only demeans the debate on ZeroHedge but renders your criticisms of it ridiculous.
On a side note, your Johnny kissing behind the tree comment was pure genius.
Excuse me, if I don't bother with the sarc tag.
so you do or don't like Niggers?
Relax....It's the Internet. My wife and I have a few friends over, drinking some home brewed beer in celebration.
I'd invite you over If I could.
I don't begrudge people their biases. I don't necessarily hate that word any more than if I were to be called a honkie or a peckerwood. Words only have the power you give 'em.
I do get pretty pissed when they detract from debate or are used in lieu of a rational argument against what I consider some really serious shit.
That crap aside, home brew sounds fuckin' tasty.
Stuck at home with the pregnant wife so basically the party was 9 months ago...... now I'm basically cleaning up the corks and streamers lol.
Have fun :)
I have 4 fingers of scotch though, so it's not a total loss.
Go fuck yourself
Best, comment, ever.
I don't agree or dissagree with anything you said in your post but it made me laugh so hard I almost passed out.
Well, that was a bunch of crap. Looks like Biden was about to burst into tears.
Why does TOTUS have to wait for a minute or two between sentences. Does he have a reeaally slow brain or what?
FINALLY....now that this is dead in the water, maybe i can find some 9mm ammo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kito you will be lucky to ever find any. Big sis will keep overwhelming the manufacturers with orders.
Hey Obombya! Get the FUCK OFF MY LAWN! And take your goddamned orchestra with you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M
The constitution does not gurantee safety, it gurantees liberty. America is not Newton, it's not the North East - get off it already.
Quite literally everything Obama said was the exact opposite of truth. Oh my... that was bad.
And for those who are touting this as a victory for democracy, please slap yourself until you recognize we are (or were) a REPUBLIC (rule of law), NOT a democracy (rule by the majority).
FAIL for the tyranny, VICTORY, albeit only a step, for liberty
"literally everything Obama said was the exact oposite of truth. Oh my..."
New Here? Welcome...
This is all very cute and all, and very cathartic and distracting, but here is where the deals are done on weapons.
Wake me up when anyone involved in the arms industry is calling for controls, otherwise this is all fluff.
Global Arms Exporters:
#1 USA
#2 Russian Federation
#3 Germany
#4 France
#5 China
#6 UK
#7 Italy
#8 Israel
#9 Sweden
#10 Ukraine
[source]
"Never go to war, especially with yourself".
Tl;dr
Cry me a river if your own exports are bad for your society; you're all running out of places with an enough infrastructure to buy them, even with IMF loans.
Weapons aren't at all bad for US society, they are quite good for it. As royally fucked up as this place has become, I still prefer the number of our domestic gun deaths to the number of deaths caused by societies that rigidly controlled them in the 20th century.
I always imagined most ZH readers were in finance. This thread sadly disproves it; go run the numbers on "defense" stocks this year.
Again, I'll state it real clear for you: Defense Industries are businesses and they're run by smart people. They often employ government ministers when they've left office. If you want to change this, you don't look to the Senate, you look to the enormous grants from Gov and the entire ethos of America.
'Mureica in Paris.
Advice sought: Don't laugh: I've never owned a gun, but would like to get one. I do a lot of wandering in the mountains in cougar country. What's an appropriate gun for this situation?
950 caliber....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xohy9gWz7kk
What every patriot should have.....
.45 long slide with laser sighting.
That, or a .50 cal BMG.
A Mossberg 590, AR15 with scope or red dot and a Glock 23 should do it!
A handgun and a loud one. Shoot before you're attacked to scare it because if it attacks you first you won't have time.
Cougars attack from behind and have tracked and scoped you out long before you see them. They are killing machines and if they get a hold of you you're done unless you are extremely good with a knife. Walk alone in the mountains of Cali and being of small stature is inviting attack. Travel in groups is better but they do have an affinity for children. I've had experience with them and fortunately have lived through my encounter. A gun has limited use for the average person. My friend who used to hunt them almost was killed by one and is an extremely experience hunter. He was fortunate to have a buddy with him.
Miffed;-)
Kriss Vector SDP .45 ACP.
The "cougars" will shit their fur when you yank this mutherfucker out:
http://www.kriss-usa.com/products/pistols/sdp-45-acp
Eyes in back of your head would be useful. They do like to hit from behind--once they knock the crap out of you good luck getting to a gun. I lived for 17 years in cougar country--I mean one used to come through town and thin the housecats population a few times a year. Never bothered me. Running in cougar country is bad idea, though, especially in the spring before the fawns are born.
My personal favorite, .270 cal rifle. It will take down any North American animal. Save maybe Kodiak bears and polar bears. Second fave is the .257 Roberts.
.280 Rem, Ruger M77 Mark II with a Timney adjustable trigger. Or if you want to save the money on the trigger you can take the trigger assembly apart and take a dremel tool to the trigger sear's edge to get the burrs off. I do not know why Ruger does not do this at the factory. Those burrs are what lead to an inconsistent trigger pull for Rugers.(ruins your accuracy) If you decide on a Timney, it's probably best to have a gunsmith do that because you have to modify a few things or the safety will not engage resulting in a gun that is always on fire mode with a hair trigger and you have one chance to install it correctly or will piss away the cost of a Timney trigger which you do not really want to do. I highly recommend the Timney though.
For up close and personal, you need a shotgun with some buckshot. The Mossberg Model 590 with pistol grips is what I have. They don't have the smoothest actions but they go bang. Don't get the cheapest pistols grips if you want to go that route because that's a twelve gauge you are shooting there after all and your hand is gonna know about it! For close range defense the shotgun is the best choice. For offense, the rifles are the best choice with a good scope. 270 Win, 257 Roberts, 243 Win, 25-06, 7MM and any 30 cal. should more than enough to dispatch a cougar.
Like asking a man what kind of woman he wants...
My two cents - get yourself an 870. Low cost, reliable, you can mod the hell out of it, and swap out shells on the fly to fit your needs.
The military, the coast guard, swat teams and sheriff departments all over the country use the 870 as a service weapon.
Yep, the Remington 870 is a good call here with a modifed choke. That way it can be used for hunting or personal defense and do pretty well at both.
It’s hard to beat the versatility of a 12 gauge or 20 gauge shotgun. There is a huge variety of different ammo available from slugs to fine shot. The only thing they're not much good for is a long distance shot, but I assume you were not trying to hunt cougars but only defend yourself from them. It is absolutely amazing how much damage even the lightest birdshot will do at close range, and your aim is not required to be quite as precise as with other weapons such as rifles (and, even better, this birdshot is much less lethal, if not completely harmless, after 100 meters or so of distance fired; so, it's even safer than many alternatives).
I don’t know much about cougars, however.
a lot of wandering in the mountains in cougar country. What's an appropriate gun for this situation?
Ferrari 458 Italia. Cougars love them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_458_Italia
LOL!
O'bummer Tuff shit,.. fuck you and your fascist people (gun) control.
UPDATE 5:42 p.m. ET — The Feinstein Amendment, which bans the future manufacture, possession, and sale of 157 semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines, fails to pass the senate. It only garnered 40 votes in favor. Sixty senators voted against.
YEA BABY...FUCK THAT BITCH
Still fourty pieces of shit traitors who should hang high...
You speak as if those voting against are somehow principled instead of on the dole of weapon manufacturing lobbyists...
You're right. Still, I'm pretty sure a few of them really supports the second amendment. Whoever voted for the second amendment but voted for the patriot act or NDAA can hang... that should left less than 10 senators altogether... deal??
LOL! Love it. How many AR15 manufacturerers are in the USA now? 200+? I wonder how many jobs in the USA are related to semi-auto anything? 200,000?
I wonder if Mag Pul will stay in Colorado? They must be minting money.
I am telling you folks - we have to stop amnesty or this means nothing.
www.numbersusa.com
If Rubio, McCain and the Dems get amnesty - they will take out the Second Amnedment in 2014.
I live in NY, so this means jack to me.
too bad
Oh I fear not. Uncle Andrew You-don't-need-10-bullets-to-kill-a-deer Cuomo's got my back. Just to prove it, Cheaper Than Dirt is officially closed to NYers.
I love the strategically placed young-female-with-facial-expression-full-of-fake-concern.
Didn't people get it, that this was just another Big Distraction? This shit just keeps getting played over and over... It's an intentional stalemate. People confuse the impassioned folks on both sides of the "story" with being the policy-makers. The policy-makers REQUIRE divisive issues to distract us! They really don't care who plays offense and who plays defense, the name of the game is THE GAME.
I'm not even going to bother to read the myriad of comments supporting the red-team - blue-team party pussy shit... just sick that people just can't help but fall for this shit (and use some of the most stupid logic in efforts to support their positions!).
it has the labor force participation rate to fudge the unemployment rate with, and the Fed to ramp stocks higher, or else living in America today would be a very different thing if the full ugliness of reality was exposed for all to see.
No truer statement made on ZH.
The whole world is living in a mass delusion. Production of value(goods and services) has crashed. We are existing within a fantasy which is kept alive with the creation of trillions of make believe fiat. We are not resting on our lourels, we burned through that 17 trillion ago. Naked manipulation rules the day.
We are well and truly f-cked.
I've been saying it for three years at least along with others. I might add that Obama is the biggest failure of a president we have ever had by a very wide margin. Throw in Bernanke and you have two of the biggest losers America has ever had in these positions of power.
1. I am PRO 2nd Amendment
2. I am PRO Gun Safety + Training classes. The more, the better. I enjoy it and the camaraderie of similar people.
3. I am PRO Background Check (BC). To ID and weed out psychos (who, in a pre-Reagan budget cut era, would have been institutionalized). I went through one, and don't see a problem with it. In fact at recent gun show I've been to, all sellers were making buyers go through the BC.
4. My "Right to Life" and that of my family, trumps your desire to "Go psycho". No matter what the simpletons and 1D fanatics say. Bless responsible gun owners. Deny the nut-jobs! And keep a real close eye on them. I intend to.
Note that 1-4 are not mutually exclusive. I therefore intend to support, fund and lobby rational and balanced people and politicians who are aligned with me on 1-4.
BC as they are...no problem. BC as the new ones were intended....big problem.
Agree with your 4 points. IMHO, John McCain no longer fits the bill for being trusted to be aligned with 1-4. His laurels of decades in the Government are ashes, starting with his corruption with the Keating 5, his lame ass presedential campaign, and his bipartisanship on laws that he evidently never reads that have buggered America big time. If the economy was hunky dory, 1 bankster or lobbyist had made a perp walk and/or we didn't have 17 trillion in debt, he might have some comtemporary laurels to trumpet. As I see him, he is not a conservative and is a liar, thief and a closet Dimocrat. Any bill for gun background checks put forth by the current crop of 'ist Dimocrats will be a lie and have a caveat hidden in it that will incrementally make a list of all gun owners available to the jack booted thugs, as already evidenced in Califas and NY.
word. who knew there were so many assholes out of their cages today.
Still Clinging to My Guns and My Bible
UPDATE 6:01 p.m. ET — The Burr Amendment, which requires a court to decide if a veteran, who is deemed mentally incompetent, can own a gun, does not clear the senate. The final vote is 56 votes in favor and 44 against.
This is a great article showing just what a dickbag Harry Reid is.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/17/harry-reids-sorry-explanation-for-sudden?
Harry Reid's Sorry Excuse for Suddenly Supporting an 'Assault Weapon' Ban
Jacob Sullum|Apr. 17, 2013 1:11 pm
Office of Harry ReidToday Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) reversed his longstanding opposition to a renewed "assault weapon" ban, explaining his new stance this way:
In short, Reid will vote for an "assault weapon" ban because he has suddenly discovered, to his dismay, that the people who are against it are a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists. He does not explain how prohibiting certain arbitrarily selected, functionally unimportant firearm features serves "the law and order" or saves people's lives, probably because there is no credible reason to think it will do either of those things. In fact, if the choice is between believing in the effectiveness of "assault weapon" bans and believing in "black helicopters and false flags," I'm not sure which is crazier.
Another sample of Reid's logic, this time explaining why he might vote against requiring interstate reciprocity for concealed-carry permits, despite having supported such legislation in the past:
I am not saying that Reid would necessarily be wrong to vote against this particular amendment, which raises serious federalism issues that need to be considered along with Second Amendment objections to overly restrictive concealed-carry policies. But since concealed-carry policies had nothing to do with the attacks he mentions, his explanation for having second thoughts makes no sense, just as it made no sense when Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) cited the Sandy Hook massacre as a reason to expand background checks for gun buyers.
One more example, from the same New York Times story, of substituting emotion for logic in the case for stricter gun control:
Dramatic, yes. Convincing, no. Since the Virginia Tech gunman bought his pistols from a federally licensed dealer after passing a background check, the lack of a background check requirement for private sales was irrelevant. The story of that heroic professor therefore does not strengthen the argument for Manchin's amendment one iota. The fact that people who think it does are in charge of making our laws is more than a little alarming.
Even some of the comments are worth reposting because they expose the verbal magic tricks these socialist control freaks use to push their agendas on you. I think it is insightful stuff personally.
Joe M| 4.17.13 @ 1:15PM |#
"We must strike a better balance between the right to defend ourselves and the right of every child in America to grow up safe from gun violence."
Talk about a false choice to be rejected.
MJGreen| 4.17.13 @ 1:40PM |#
It even goes beyond false choice. The former is a large component of the latter. It's like saying we must "strike a balance" between eating an appropriate amount of vegetables and maintaining a healthy diet. Not only are these two things not in conflict, one is dependent on the other.
I agree with you ... except about the vegetables. Vegetables are not food - they are what food eats.
CBS - New York reports that Michael Bloomberg is furious over the defeat of the Background Check Amendment...
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/ny-conn-govs-urge-passage-of-fede...
Good! Somebody needs to remind that a-hole that he ONLY represents his NYC constituents as Mayor of NYC. He is not the Grand Poobah re. gun ownership rights in America.
So saith John Law Lives, NRA Life Member.
Sanctuary cities like Boston and NYC are so safe. Safe for terrorists to hide out in.
Bloomberg wants cameras and cops on every corner like former East Berlin or Fidel's cubatos on every corner in Havana. F Bloomberg!
Come take my crock pot Bloomberg! Molon Labe!
does anyone see this "jew" calling for israeli citizens to be disarmed?
anyone?
Over 85 people die every day due to AUTOMOBILE violence. It is time we pass a CONSTITUTIONAL amemdment requiring background checks on ALL automobile purchases. Over 30,000 lives would be saved every year by preventing criminals and people with mental health issues from driving.
There is NOTHING in the U.S. Constituion about driving being a "right", so it is not a big deal.
(I guess it depends how you frame the facts.)
Get in line. First we have to get these dangerous pressure cookers off the street!
Stupid comparison and go look at the rate of deaths/100,000 from automobile accidents or per million miles driven. They have dramatically declined over the past 50 years for several reasons (e.g., DUI laws, increased in legal drinking age, increased seat beat use, regulations and innovations in car safety features, etc).
This won't stop them, they will hide this in another bill, pass bits of this, and/or in the middle of the night when nobody is paying attention, also possible Obama will just make this an executive order.
This failure of the amendment is a good thing for Obama because from what I read his background check done properly might reveal a thing or two as well.
After the 9/11 damage and deaths in New York City, the Saudi government offered to help with a sizable monetary gift of $10 million in disaster aid. The Mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani , refused the help.
But now the real controllers of American foreign policy and the experts on “terrorism” (assassinations of foreign officials, torture, cyber spying, bomb making and police state concentration camps), the Israelis, are offering their help and it will be accepted of course.
Wonder if it’s too late to help with evidence gathering or planting?
Israeli police head to US to aid in Boston Marathon bombing investigation | RT (Russia Today)
April 17, 2013
The investigation into Monday’s deadly bombing at the Boston Marathon has officially gone international: law enforcement officials from Israel have been sent to the United States to assist in the probe.
Israel Police Chief Yohanan Danino says he has dispatched officials to Boston, Massachusetts, where they will meet with Federal Bureau of Investigation agents and other authorities, the Times of Israel Reports.
Citing an earlier report published by the newspaper Maariv, Times of Israel writes that Danino has dispatched police officers to participate in discussions that “will center on the Boston Marathon bombings and deepening professional cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of both countries.”…
In an address made Tuesday, Israel President Shimon Peres said that tragedies such as this week’s incident in Boston, sadly, bring people together from across the world.
“When it comes to events like this, all of us are one family. We feel a part of the people who paid such a high price. God bless them,” Peres said. “Today the real problem is terror, and terror is not an extension of policy: Their policy is terror, their policy is to threaten. Terrorists divide people, they kill innocent people.”…
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has also confirmed that he has dispatched law enforcement officers from the Big Apple to assist in the investigation by meeting with agents at a Boston fusion center, one of the DHS-funded data facilities that collects surveillance camera footage and other evidence in order to analyze events like Monday’s attack.
“We are certainly engaged in the information flow with the FBI through our Joint Terrorism Task Force. We have two New York City police officers, police sergeants, who are in the Boston Regional Intelligence Center,” Bloomberg said on Tuesday. “They’re up there, they’ve been up there since last evening.”
But in a study conducted last year by the Senate’s bipartisan Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, lawmakers found that those fusion centers have been more or less unhelpful in assisting with terrorism probes.
The Department of Homeland Security’s work with state and local fusion centers, the subcommittee wrote, “has not produced useful intelligence to support federal counterterrorism efforts.” Instead, they added, so-called “intelligence” shared between facilities consisted of tidbits of shoddy quality that was often outdated and “sometimes endangering [to] citizen‘s civil liberties and Privacy Act protections.”
“More often than not,” the panel added, information collected and shared at DHS fusion centers was “unrelated to terrorism.”
http://rt.com/usa/police-israel-investigation-boston-009/
It's because we trust Isreal and we don't trust the Saudi's you X-files bunker living joo hating loon.
If trust means the surrender of one’s foreign policy and major leverage on its Congress, Administration, and the Department of Justice, not to mention almost complete control of the financial sector, that has led to disastrous, expensive and immoral wars in the Middle East and the extermination of the Palestinian people, while America is under the hammer of tyranny, then that trust is nothing less than treason.
A lot of us do not trust either one of them. I trust other Americans and allies who do not f**k us over which are a real small number of countries. By the way that Gabby Giffords standing next to Obama for gun control is NOT a goyim.
I take it that "assist in the probe" is newspeak for "help bury the incriminating evidence"? All but one of those guys in the Reddit photos look *very* Mossad, to me. 9-11 Revisited.
Funny how the 2nd ammendment means so little to the left and so much to the right in this country.
The difference is that one side is trying to protect its assets and its country from the government, and the other side needs to have the coast clear so it can use government force to get the benefits it voted itself from the treasury, including rape of the taxpayers.
Well, if protecting taxpayers and their assets is what you were doing, you failed miserably. $23 trillion has been transferred from taxpayers since 2008 and not one shot was fired.
You are just practicing tribal bullshit and pretending its intelligent and patriotic thought.
Failed miserably? With Americans buying a gun every 1.5 seconds and the Senate has just failed in this round to support expanding background checks because of the fear of voter anger?
The people had been hoping for a peaceful redress of this government abuse. But the prospects of getting that are none too good. Hence, the need for weapons.
You didn't address the $23 trillion. 300 million guns didn't make a difference. These economic psychopaths aren't afraid of you and your weapons. They just keep taking. So yes, failed miserably.
You are making good points, but when the guns are gone they’ll be very little to worry about regarding taxation or private property or QE printing. Instead, we will be completely subjugated in one of the harshest, most sophisticated police states in history.
And believe me, it is they who will decide who will eat and who will survive.
We are seeing an incredible acceleration in the takings of private property, incomes, livelihoods and other freedoms, yes. And much already has been lost.
But the end of the story has not been written; the response is just starting to kick in. And the only deterrent now between freedom and enslavement on this modern planet is Americans and their guns; again, just as in America's founding, it would be unthinkable to try to defend our liberty and private property without the use of guns.
Many of the peoples of the western world have relinquished their guns and are defenseless. Americans have not, will not and are not.
The gun laws already on the books in this country have consistently been perverted by the ATF. Ever hear of "Ruby Ridge" or "Waco"? Perversion of the "gun laws" is the fuse that touched both off.
Personally, I think the so-called "gun show loophole" should be looked at, but here in California that loophole doesn't exist, and if you live here you can't go to out-of-state gun shows and buy either. So my thinking is it's not as big a "loophole" as one might think. And the state troopers in CA are actually out confiscating guns! Think I'm crazy? Then see this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/19/california-gun-confiscation_n_2...
A great book on guns and the attempts by the state to control people who own them (entertaining as hell too) is "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. You'll find the book at your library or here's the link to the author's site: http://john-ross.net/ Makes a great gift for the un-informed "gun haters" you may know or be related to. And if you're part of the "gun culture" it's a must-read.
Award for most fucked up country when it comes to guns ... toss up between Honduras and the US of Aholes
eat shit, "jew'
Please stay away then in all forms from Internet and US proper. We will be fine without you.
3rd largest arms dealer in the world - Israel - Get Israel out of America and return this country to it's people.
Poisonous Instructions: FBI has encrypted recipe for Ricin on its website.
Easy enough for laymen to decipher.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/fbi-has-encrypted-recipe-for-d...
I can't see another house from my house but after the background check got defeated I could hear the guns...
Every neighbor for miles was blazin...We're going to have one FUCK of a party tonight
FUCK YEA 4TH OF JULY EARLY
Communist Cocksuckers Must Die!
(with apologies to the gay commmunity....simply a figure of speech.....my sins are much worse than yours)
What a fucking baby.
UPDATE 6:23 p.m. ET — The Lautenberg-Blumenthal Amendment, which sought to ban the sale of “high-capacity ammunition magazines,” fails to pass the senate with only 46 votes in favor.
IT'S CHRISTMAS.....
FUCK THE FASCISTS
I hope everyone notices the "jew" behind this push to disarm America.
"jews" and The Constitution or any of The Amendments don't really have much in common.
I say it it time to evict the "jews" from The West and confiscate their stolen property as they are escorted to kikistan proper.
lol....Get in the Boxcar....
These fucking "jews" want to take our savings and labor via state sponsored theft to finance our own displacement and bankrupt our culture?
FUCK THEM
KICK THEM THE FUCK OUT
Take bloomberg, bronfman, and ellison's shit to finance the eviction of these fucking satanic kikes
Send them to madagascar and surround the island with gunboats
why put jew in quotes?
because they are self-styled "jews".
Filthy converts and liars.
well you gotta blame somebody right?
You are out of fucking time
It is apparent to everyone paying attention that AIPAC and the chosen political figures which are presented by AIPAC are who the US citizens have to select from on election day.
This controversial country needs to mind its own business. And the 2-country politicians who represent both Israel and American need to be prevented from running for office.
Israel is sucking the life out of America and her people. Americans will have no where to go if this country is sliced up and sold at auction. The roots of shame are found in Israel. Covert approach is necessary because of the stench of wickedness.
We all know where the allegiance lies in teh hearts of jewish politicians - Israel. They'd see Americans fall into pits, to gain control of this country.
Stay OUT OF IT.
American jews are patriots who came to this country in the 1700s, and aided the Revolution.
Zionists are a supremacist, militaristic fantasy founded by international financiers in the 1800s, the Rothschilds and their ilk who rule Britain, and mind the Vatican's money, the hofjuden.
The old world hates this new world.
Only American soldiers refused to hand over their jewish comrades to Nazis in WWII.
The Rothschild Zionists are rootless cosmopolitans who funded all wars for centuries on all sides, and profit from all wars.
They are not jewish, not American.
The Evian Conference took place, initiated by FDR. One country was willing to take Jewish refugees. USA was not one of them. The memory of this hangs in the minds of all Jewish people. Several years went by before intervention took place. Zionists were who put the Transfer Agreement into place, enslaving Jews and forcing them to work in labor camps and face death from starvation and disease. Resentment from this exists, how could it not. Just as black ancestors who were slaves has left an imprint in the minds of all blacks. How could it not?
Lautenberg = the Senate mummy. F him and Blumenthal. Gabby Giffords is another non goyim by the way.
Do we know if Lousenberg even showed for the vote? I read he didn't want to be seen in DC in his wheelchair that he needs since chemo fucked his legs up.
And don't get me going on our phoniest ofphony senators in CT.
Background checks would not have stopped the Newtown killer, nor the Boston bomber.
O'bomba lost the debate in a democratic forum, yet dares to smear opponents with emotive claptrap.
Do you believe in the Republic, honest debate or do you believe in propaganda foisted on all for the central controllers who wage endless war abroad, killing our own Armed Forces, for the few who wish to dominate the many?
O'bomba lost the debate, dislikes that, and smears opponents with emotive claptrap.
The FBI is well aware of certain suspects in the Boston bombing. A case must be made strong enough to survive the proper court process. Let that be a lesson for hate mongers in DC and elsewhere.
The Republic. The Constitution. Defend it.
Boston is angry, not terrified by bombers or politicians who want to exploit maiming and deaths at the Marathon.
Get back to the budget, Blowbama.
how has this guy not been impeached yet?
he fucking uses victims of tragedies to make his points, if he really felt this strong about gun control, where the fuck was he before sandy hook.
sandy hook was a horrendous tragedy, one that we will never forget as 26 young children with there entire lives ahead of them, along with a few teachers as well, were senseleslly gunned down in execution style. sickening, and this lanza guy i hope is burning in hell forever, as that is what he deserves.
however, you do not change laws due to a horrible tragedy. unfortunately shootings like that have happened before and will prob happen again sadly. criminals are always going to be criminals, and this will be whether we make laws or not, hence the word criminal, they do not follow ''laws''. all the laws would do is take guns out of normal peoples hands, law abiding citizens, so that when they are in a situation with a maniac with a gun, they are defenseless.
so i say to you hussein obama, will you shut the fuck up with your fucking gun law crap and stop using the victims of sandy hook as your propoganda machines. let them have peace, and let us fucking have peace in america and not have to here from you again on gun control,or in general.
Sandy Hoax was Government False Flag attack.
Take that gun control and stuff it where the sun don't shine communist bitchez!
It's because their scam is out in the open now and being vigorously challenged, They can only legislate for their property and people who volunteer to be under their jurisdiction. You are volunteering and don't realize it even though it's done through fraud.
Obama is such a whiney partisan mother fucker. "The minority lobbyist gun owners scared people into untruths about this bill."
Do you mean lies by untruths you stupid fuck? Grow up and run the country. Trust in your senate instead of slamming it you fucking alabama hot pocket
mung monger
He is coming to Boston tomorrow for an 'interfaith' service. Note the word. 'interfaith'.
More political claptrap.
We are Christian in New England, and others live under our protection - even the ones who have since become secularists etc. Christianity guides our thinking. That is why people feel safe here. Mutual respect. Compassion. Love of mankind, beyond money or politics. Every creed, color and religion can live in New England. Our faith tells us so.
Yet even now, there is a way for DC to foist its failed Zionist politics on Boston.
Foist, not believed.
When showtime is over and O'bomba returns to DC, then Boston can and will protect and defend our own of every creed, color or religion. This is our honest, genuine community.
Let that be a lesson to Washington DC haters. We put up with you. We don't respect you. We know you are shameless money grubbers, and warmongering freaks.
Maybe Irish Catholics and and Italian Catholics who vote for O and that POS gov should start acting like Christians. I hear yah though.
I hate these evil F***s with their sanctuary cities that are sanctuaries for terrorists.
Dear Freddie,
Best wishes to you and yours. We will look after our own, as we ever did. O'bomba and his crew will come tomorrow, and go quickly, for their sake.
There is a big influential financial district in Boston. Not everything passes through NYC.
We are angry, not terrorised, and I am reminded of my father's advice: don't get angry, get even.
Money talks, and bullshit walks.
I'm old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan and John Brady were shot by a John Hinckley, who had a history of mental illness.
So they passed the Brady Bill, focusing on the guns and essentially ignoring the mental illness aspect.
Needless to say, this legislation did not prevent Columbine, Georgia Tech, Newtown, Gaby Giffords and several other tragedies involving mentally deranged individuals with guns.
Seems we don't learn fro history. The currently proposed legislation will do nothing to prevent the same thing from happening again.
More Guns, Less Crime.
Guns don't kill people, postal workers do.
We're told that Adam Lanza slaughtered children in the Newtown school. He was on prescription drugs for his mental condition, and used his mother's guns, according to the official story.
Most gun crime happens in places with the tightest gun laws. Why? Because sadly insane people or madly badly criminal people do not abide by bureaucractic 'laws'.
Most gun owners in the USA are law abiding.
Nazis disarmed Germany shortly before slaughtering jews. So did Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot...and all the other international bank Zionist funded mass killing haters of the 20th century.
History teaches us that unarmed peoples end up in mass graves. Disarming the people is the first step.
True.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO2_49TycdE
Here is why I think Reagan was shot. Note how Reagan was also standing up for Baker, Anderson, Crane and Dole who Poppy was also trying to stiff.
Sort of like how Lyndon off'ed Jack. LBJ got real rich of Vietnam.
I think Reagan was a poppy CIA job. Odd how after Reagan we get the same CIA connected/Mena drug connected POTUS'es. I think Reagan was the last real election we have had. He was the last non-skull & bonesman/Harvard man. Even though with the CIA pakistan visiting Indonesian - his school records are all sealed. His supposed mum was a CIA/Ford Foundation cutout.
Yeah Amerrika has presidential elections.
Obama is too arrogant a prick to make meaningful change. Obama makes change with a hammer. That's why his healthcare reform is a fucking disaster (and a front for union expansion).
Leglislative change isn't the problem. Obama's shit fucking attitude toward others outside of his circle is the problem.
And when these markets tank, Obama is going to wish he didn't run for the second term.
This parentless, religiousless, raceless, countriless communist nigger had NO CHOICE.
He has been groomed from day 1 to destroy White America.
and you're no less disgusting than he is.
It had no chance of passing the house so the Senate was not going to piss the electorate off. It is that simple..Both parties (yes republicans as well) want a total ban on guns...but they want to keep their jobs even more...
Everyone in power wants everyone else to have no power.
Exactly correct! Now, how to enlighten the fox news watchers?
" .... legislation AIMED at STRENGTHENING America's gun laws .... " ?????? What happened to STRENGTHENING OUR 2nd Amendment RIGHT !!!!!!
Obama is a Socialist dupe .... he's not smart enough .... to be a WONK !
Socialists live through the power of the Mob. The unyielding force of the mob allows them to TAKE what cannot be earned. Discussion yields to shouting and personal destruction, as ideas lack the foundation to stand on their own merits. Obama is a leader...a leader of mobs intent on having their way.
The Mob is controlled by the demogogue and the enormous money of the party in power -In America the demogogue is simply the puppet of the elites-he who has the money and power controls the mob - the President (whether Republican or Democrat) is the puppet. The elites control both parties - they have a lock on it right now through their control of money and the media. Those of us who are are informed and who do not have our heads firmly embedded up our ass -need to double or triple our numbers -very soon - Our hope has to lie with youth -ie -college students and young professionals -employed, unemployed or underemployed- - the average retard on the street is simply hopeless -if we can disrupt the supply lines-so that the elites cannot adequately feed the mobs with the food, drugs and material comforts they need -then we can recruit them to join our ranks to act as foot soldiers-mainly by promises of plunder and wealth -theres some really good shit to steal from the Hampton's.
If that is what you think, then I suspect you might be terrified of these charts:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1890_2012USp_13s1li01...
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1890_2012USp_13s1li011l...
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1890_2012USp_13s1li01...
(And . . . by the way . . . who at least says they want to reduce spending -- if not actually do it?)
Doesn't more spending as part of the economy equal more power which equals more corruption?
I should have mentioned that these charts are all supposed to be for all the governments in the US and not just the federal portion . . . if I clicked the correct buttons.
I disagree. (With the part about his smarts.)
I think it's rather impossible to become President of the US without being at least somewhat brilliant. There are just way too many other people who will take your place if not.
He is just an emotional right-brainer kind of person who is fabulous at reading people's emotions, emoting with them, and telling them what they want to hear.
Think of the best salesperson ever. What do they really know about what they're selling unless the custmomers tell them? The salespeople aren't the engineers or inventers of this stuff, usually.
After all, emoting and selling is so much more enjoyable than actually doing hard critical thinking about cause and effect.
And, given that he is a politician, all that really matters is gaining the more power, for his politcal group and self. The other consequences are less relevant for almost all of those folks as far, as I can tell.
I disagree.
I saw Blago on celebrity apprentice.... Good Smoozer but dumber than a box of rocks!
Are you sure he is dumb? Or, might he only be pandering to such ignorance?
Besides, he never one the Presidency of the US. He’s jail, I thought.
sorry, "won".