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Guest Post: How Does This End?

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Originally posted at Monty Pelerin's World blog,

When Suckers Finally Realize

The fleecing of the American public continues.

The theft takes different forms, but it all serves one purpose — to transfer wealth from the average Joe to the crony corporatists and their political lackeys. Here are but a few examples of how this has been accomplished:

  • Bailouts for the wealthy and well-connected are paid for by the unconnected middle class.
  • Subsidies are provided for unworkable schemes submitted by political donors and favorites. These schemes inevitably fail and the tax-payer is left holding an empty bag.
  • Laws are routinely ignored when “friends” need help. In identical circumstances, would you receive the same treatment as Jon Corzine?
  • Despite the biggest theft in world history, no one was prosecuted. The Savings and Loan crisis in the 1980s was trivial in comparison to the recent financial crisis. More than a thousand S&L executives were prosecuted.
  • Ever-increasing sacrifices in the form of higher taxes from the productive sector are demanded to continue the plush living of the ruling class.

Capitalism and free markets depend upon trust, integrity, property rights and the rule of law. Without these, there are no advantages to free markets. Nor are there any incentives to create wealth. Instead, an economy becomes little more than a massive plunder scheme where the powerful exploit the weak. No economic recovery is possible under such circumstances.

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When Suckers Revolt

As people recognize what is happening, they alter their behavior. Three reactions are to be expected:

1. Some will become discouraged when they realize the game is stacked against them. They will diminish their efforts to succeed, even perhaps dropping out of the game altogether. Given the enhanced returns to not working, it should not be surprising that this alternative has become popular.

2. Others will adopt the same behavior as the ruling class. They will exploit those lower on the food chain than themselves.  Justice Brandeis warned of the implications of government misbehavior:

In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipotent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. If government becomes a lawbreaker it breeds contempt for law: it invites every man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan described the process of declining moral values as “defining deviancy down.”

3. Others may resort to acts of violence. These reactions could be isolated domestic terrorist acts against government and corporations seen as the exploiters. Or the acts might be broader based where the poor see fit to attempt to take from the wealthy. They also could manifest in wide civil unrest against the government if it is seen as the cause of misery or if it is seen as intending to default on promises made. 

All of this behavior is anti-social and it is unproductive. It reduces the output of the economy, further exacerbating the problems. 

How Does This End? 

It is difficult to know how the current condition ends. Here are a few possibilities, with some opinion added: 

  • Will our ruling class alter its behavior? That is very unlikely. History provides no examples where power is willingly relinquished.
  • Will our economy collapse? That is a likely outcome, although the process could take years or decades. 
  • Will social unrest occur? Probably. The government, at some point will be unable to honor its promises. It is broke and left with the printing of money as its primary source of funds. Stopping the printing means dishonoring promises and likely plunges the country into civil unrest.
  • Will hyperinflation occur? If the government continues to print, that seems to be the inevitable result. 

Issues That Need To Be Solved


We are too far into this economic disaster to escape without an economic collapse of some sort. Return to normal economic times is impossible without a complete and thorough purging of the economic distortions and capital mis-allocations produced from decades of government interventions.

The following issues prevent a recovery:

  • No economy can prosper without a strong middle class. They are the productive class in society. They are the small businesses and job creators. Without them, society does not produce. Without production, there is only poverty.
  • Inflation, the cruelest tax of all, is driving up prices while wages and salaries do not keep pace. For those without wealth, there is no way to protect against this theft. For those with wealth, they can rearrange investments to take advantage of inflation, particularly if they are privy to what is coming next.
  • The economy is dysfunctional. It no longer functions efficiently as a result of the burdens it is forced to labor under. The price system has been made less efficient as a result of inflation, manipulated interest rates, subsidies, penalties and other impediments. It no longer provides the information needed by economic actors to make proper decisions.
  • Regime uncertainty discourages action. When economic actors are unable to judge the future, they pull back. Money goes to the sidelines or out of the country.
  • US economic policy and the uncertainty of what comes next has been a great job creator for other countries.
  • Economic growth cannot be forced by central diktats. It occurs only in a climate that is receptive and friendly to risk-taking. It is hard to imagine a worse environment than the current one. That is why there is no investment and no hiring.

What Is The Outlook?

There should be no optimism regarding government changing its ways. History suggests it never does.

The recent plunge in the gold market suggests government has gone all in in its attempt to continue exploitation. Chris Martenson commented on this event:

I am very disappointed by, but not surprised at, the latest transfer of weath to the bankers from everyone else. The most recent gold bear raid has vastly enriched the bullion bankers, once again, at the expense of everyone trying to protect their wealth from global central bank money printing.

Gold is considered a safe-haven against government plunder. It is one of the few escapes from fiat currency debauchery that the small investor has. Whether this latest attack on gold was to make the bullion bankers better off or to scare those trying to protect themselves against government exploitation is irrelevant. When government intervenes (assuming it did, and the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong) in markets in such a manner, it is no longer a referee. It has chosen a side and is a participant in the game. There can be no fair competition when one team owns the referee. That is what happens when government participates in markets.

Historians judge that it took Rome almost two hundred years to die. That determination depends very much upon what you mean by “die.” Arguably Rome died much earlier than historians acknowledge. Rome was dead-man walking before the couple of hundred years it took for it to fall down. 

The US is in similar position. Unless you believe in the miracle of sovereign resurrection, the US is over. The coroner-historians have not pronounced death yet, but they, like with Rome, are behind the curve. This dead man too will eventually fall down.


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Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:10 | 3466808 rp1
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This is how it ends.  This is happeneing:

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:15 | 3466834 Kiss My Iceland...
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"Will social unrest occur? Probably."

Look at Cyprus. Lives and livelihoods destroyed by Cypriot polititians in league with Eurocrat criminals.

Do you see any unrest ?

Sheeple, sheeple, sheeple ....

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:19 | 3466841 The Juggernaut
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What the fuck?  Its ALWAYS been in the central banks hands!  Its just that the cloth is coming off for everyone to see its ugly face.  Before 2007 it was just the politicians faces.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:42 | 3466949 General Decline
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Like I say to my kids when they are doing something stupid... "This is going to end in crying"

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:50 | 3466982 Skateboarder
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This story will end and another shall rise from its ashes. Nothing new here, just hopeless negligence of history and the consequences of actions of fellow man is all.

"...and the story ends.
Insanity said coldly,
Still waiting for the chance -
So out of nowhere it will rise,
And another journey starts
By the call of the moon."

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:28 | 3467138 francis_sawyer
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To all you 'technical' traders out there... There's a mathematical formula to tell you how it all ends...


Divide by ZERO...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:46 | 3467172 hedgeless_horseman
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You haven't been doing your reading, Francis.

"Divide by zero," is fundamental analysis...whereas, "plenty of support at zero," is technical.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:54 | 3467251 Ying-Yang
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/0 is "ghosts of departed quantities"

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:04 | 3467294 MillionDollarBogus_
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In the 'Issues That Need To Be Solved', the author made no mention of personal responsibility in regards to health care.

No mention of regular exercise and a proper non-processed food diet.

Fat and sick Americans - the problem nobody seems to be able to discuss.



Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:22 | 3467344 CPL
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No that is an issue that will resolve itself by June.  Fat and sick Americans along with wealthy and healthy Americans will have limited means to both food, medication and...well...everything.


Supply chains are already shutting down, medical staff has walked and along with basic medical supplies.  Expecting a high technology advancement to offer anything beyond lip service in a stage of Entropy is silly and naive.


3 minutes for air

3 days for water

3 weeks for food.  <--- this is the metric that has to be met.


Good luck to all.


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:29 | 3467367 dontgoforit
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Corporal!  Don't forget 3 months for sex.  Devastating.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:40 | 3467393 Dr. Richard Head
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3 zanax too apparently.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:01 | 3467514 CrimsonAvenger
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Obviously you're not married.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:42 | 3467714 Payable on Death
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" Unless you believe in the miracle of sovereign resurrection... "

Interesting choice of words. We are in this mess because our leaders and people are unconstrained. The Founders knew that the freedoms established under our constitution would be abused if we relied upon oursleves to act in a moral fashion. Belief in God is the constraint that prevents the faults identified in this article.

ZHers often (alwyays) complain about leaders (TPTB) that serve only their own interests. What we hope for are servant leaders. Our very concept of servant leadership comes from Jesus.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:30 | 3467885 Manthong
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Jesus is alright with me, but the founders were Deists (God be with them) and the big deal now is that the unGodly empiricists are eliminating any notion of Natural Law and moral dignity from the American psyche.

Get natural law and moral dignity/ethics/justice back as the priority and maybe there will be some hope.

Either that, or get an anal tattoo, a genital piercing, a homosexual soul mate or two or three, become a Democrat, sponsor an abortion and enjoy the slide into eternal dark. 

Oh.. and buy bonds.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:34 | 3467939 Cathartes Aura
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who defines "natural law"?

what's your definition of "natural law"?

does it include things that happen naturally?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:56 | 3468005 Manthong
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I suggest you study the Hamilton/Seabury discourse or discern an a priori V an  a posteriori argument,

..just sayin'    :-)

(got a litttle too into fight club a few moments ago)

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:57 | 3468052 Cathartes Aura
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you're merely dodging the questions asked, pumping yourself up with man-made ideas of what Is.

you believe you derive your authority via man-made laws, discourses, etc. - I believe that which is nature-all will outlast all these things, always.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:04 | 3468109 Manthong
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um.. no.. I am on the other side of that fence.

not a Positivist.. not a modernist or humanist.

There is crap out the universe that is way above my pay-grade and I understand that,

I've been trying get this little Pi thing down to the area of a circle with absolute precision and I can't get'er done.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:17 | 3468197 Cathartes Aura
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well, you threw the "discourse" memes out there, not I. . .

rumour has it that enlightened "aha!" moments can happen through the path of math, or occasionally un-co-opted science,

so I wish you luck.


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:48 | 3468389 Manthong
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Well,.. all I can say is that there might be some surprising new sources for the support of natural law.. that is to say a morality and ethics (Aristotelian) based  treatment of stuff.

“If you believe that capitalism is a system in which money matters more than freedom, you are doomed when people who don't believe in freedom attack using money. Russia has spotted that the weakest link in the Western approach to life is inattention to the moral and ethical basis of capitalism.'”

Edward Lucas, The New Cold War: Putin's Russia and the Threat to the West,
2nd edition (Palgrave Macmillan, 2009).
ref.. Models Behaving Badly.. Emanuel Derman 2011

And.. good luck with science and math when ethics and human certainty take hold.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:12 | 3468821 Cathartes Aura
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there are always surprises, certainly agree, but  "new sources" supporting whose "natural laws" is always the question-ing.

nature predates human langugage-ing, and the categorising/laws derived/belief systems take a back seat when nature drives.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:39 | 3468879 Manthong
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At that point it is up to right minded reason (I don’t quite have the perfect model, yet).

Good –evil

Coercion, submission, conflict

Freedom, servitude

Justice – slavishness.

I suppose science and math will work the issues so that everyone lives according to the models of the enlightened..  or not.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:23 | 3468234 Transitory Anomaly
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Thu, 04/18/2013 - 19:57 | 3468959 de3de8
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But your the first to give them free health care.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:51 | 3467754 Liquid Courage
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But ... if we can have negative interest rates, why not negative equity? Who the fuck knows?

Dividends? Fuck dividends! You schmucks have to pay us for the honor of holding this POS that's going to zero ... or LOWER!

See how that works Muppets?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:57 | 3467253 steve from virginia
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Revolution? Yr joking!


People want cars, they want to DRIVE cars ... they aren't interested in 'free markets' or 'liberty' or 'democracy' or any other airy abstractions.


They want cheap gas, they want flat-screen TVs, they want i-Pads, they want granite countertops. They want luxury jobs in giant highrise towers in cubicles with computers sending e-mails back and forth to others just like them. They want to sell stuff for big profits and speculate with other people's money and live like American gangsters in a Joe Pesci movie.


The want cocaine and their finger up a girl's cunt, they want mink coats and nightclubs. They want $100 bills and Rolex watches and steak dinners. They don't want jobs where they have to dig holes or pick onions in a field or wash dishes in restaurants. They don't want to be poor. Nobody wants to be poor.


They want wealth or else ... they know if they rock the boat they get Syria or Yemen.


All these symbols of weath and prosperity are what the 'system' promises. No other system can promise these things and the sheeple know it. It's this or nothing. Whether the system can deliver on the process is never discussed because the answer is too horrible to contemplate.


Reality -- and Mr. Entropy -- sez everyone gets less. LESS .. the 'word of the now' ... LESS!


Less is something the world's human cargo is not used to dealing with, the world's economies cannot process, the managers have not the tools to properly manage. A revolution? What is the outcome?


... you need to be able to figure out that answer for yourself ... your life may depend upon it.



Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:02 | 3467283 kito
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Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:08 | 3467304 dontgoforit
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There's a little bit of matrix in all of us.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:06 | 3467823 stuman
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Brilliant comment!

Though some are farther down the rabbit hole than others ;) 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:28 | 3467362 angel_of_joy
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Well, regardless of what they want, they'll have less and less of it !

If prices will be left relatively free by the powers to be, more and more "stuff" will become unaffordable to more and more people. An ever increasing percentage of your revenue will be required just to hold on to every day basics (food, a roof, energy). Poverty will spead until the 99% will get all poor... at which point they might wake up and do something about it.

If the government will try so manage prices, scarcity will quickly follow and people will get to the same place (i.e. poor), only much faster.

In both scenarios, things end pretty badly for everybody.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:06 | 3468113 Backtable
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But...but...If less is more, just imagine how much MORE more would be!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:14 | 3468169 strangeglove
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Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:18 | 3466842 PolishErick
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exactly... no one does anything.. only hope is to bail out of society and go live in the wilderness- either that or You are on the same ride as the sheeple, heading for the slaughterhouse. 


go long hunting bows.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:15 | 3467094 TBT or not TBT
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Long leather thongs too.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:59 | 3467508 12ToothAssassin
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A short thong will do just fine for me thankyouverymuch.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:17 | 3467105 MeMadMax
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Way ahead of ya bro!

/typing this somewhere in the rocky mountains near the canadian border ^.^

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:18 | 3466845 Freddie
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The sheep are easily controlled by TV and Hollywood.  If you watch them - you support it and no Fox News is noty your friend. They are all shit.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:27 | 3466874 MrNude
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All the shit in Food and Booze control the sheep, the rest is the icing on the cake, that is why i've never been keen on Mikey B's attack on Soda, weening yourself of easy sugar and additive access is worse than crack supposedly according to doctors i've spoken to. NYC wouldn't survive a full chimp out. 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:54 | 3467000 vato poco
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Then docs you've spoken to have been either wrong, or lying. I cold-turkeyed a **massive**, decades-long soda/sugar habit last year. Some unpleasant-but-not-too-bad headaches & irritability, but after the first 5 days......not hard at all. I've been led to believe crack, meth, etc., is a little harder to kick than that. 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:12 | 3467091 TBT or not TBT
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Bread is harder to kick than sugar, because in addition to being a blood sugar bomb, also stimulates opiate receptors in the brain. Panem et circenses bitches. Gotta turn off the tv too.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:41 | 3467165 NotApplicable
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I've given up ALL processed foods, as well as grains. Without even increasing my physical activity, I've lost all of my adult fat (approx 25 lbs), and I've never felt better in my life (well other than the stress of living in a world filled with mindless zombies).

I've found these sites to be invaluable for my health.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:28 | 3467357 iDealMeat
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Thx, NA

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:36 | 3467386 Maos Dog
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I need to agree here, I am 100% Paleo now, and the hardest thing I ever quit, harder than even the Cig's, was bread! 

The only physical symptoms from going to Paleo was headaces, and that was only in the begining. Now for me, Paleo is self re-enforcing, because eating processed foods and other junk actually makes me ill.



Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:28 | 3467358 dontgoforit
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The headaches were from caffeine - or the lack thereof.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:19 | 3467609 respect the cock
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@ MrNude

The doctors you spoke to are morons.

If someone wants something, they'll find a way.

If they don't, they'll find an excuse.

Pretty fkkn simple. 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:38 | 3467161 Seer
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"They are all shit."


Those who speak the loudest speak the least truth (as they have the megaphones from TPTB).

Did I ever mention that humans were deceptive, and that this is a trait that all animals have for survival?

Better use of one's energy is to not engage the projected lunacy (it's meant to have our brains locked up so we continue to serve TPTB) and go about our business...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:19 | 3466848 Kiss My Iceland...
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"politicians" not "polititians". oops.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:29 | 3466884 krispkritter
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Dammit Janet. It was a 'nipple' slip.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:31 | 3466887 BLOTTO
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Issues That Need To Be Solved

- We, the good people need to sever the 'beasts' head off. Period.


Picking the slimy pineapple and anchovy toppings off of the pizza is USELESS if the crust is rotten to the core...


Its not just about financials, or gender, or nationalities, or religion, food, water, etc...its the whole damn thing!

It is all of it combined in an all out orchestrated attack on our mind, body and spirit...with the ultimate reward that they want - our souls and will.


The river is polluted further up the stream...stopping in the middle is inadequate.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:09 | 3467564 Cathartes Aura
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agreed BLOTTO - it's not just "one thing" that needs addressing, it's systemic, the whole package should be addressed.

however, most people concentrate on one aspect before (hopefully) going on to the next. . . here at ZH most concentrate on "financials" - but unless people become aware of the whole picture, and how each part is played, then no progress is made, there's just a lot of back-patting on how much smarter those who get the "financial" mess are than those who don't. . .

still caught in the mind-matrix until other mind-traps are acknowledged.  really, one can pick whichever they choose, but they need to look at all the training the mind(s) get in what is "reality" - because it's NOT, "reality" is NOT universally experienced.

why IS that?

contrast and compare, observe and THINK.  or not.  just blame others for not getting the "financials" while going about the business of overlooking everything else that makes up a system. . . a system that is destroying everything, everyone, from the inside out. . .

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:33 | 3466914 Common_Cents22
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i think thats true early on when people are in shock and have some false hope.   But when they recognize what has happened, watch out.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:48 | 3467221 Lost Word
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Photo evidence of another False Flag attack at Boston?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:00 | 3467282 Clashfan
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Sure. False flags abound. Then there's this:


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:03 | 3467287 Clashfan
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And as for the odd events in Boston, this explains it very well (though he's not the greatest speaker):

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:53 | 3467244 caconhma
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"Look at Cyprus. Lives and livelihoods destroyed by Cypriot politicians in league with Eurocrat criminals."

Cyprus people lost some wealth but still much is left. Cypress is still much better off now than they were 20 years ago. They are not starving yet.

In Spain, Greece, Italy, there are still plenty of good things. It is no need even to work to enjoy your life living on welfare.

There are still many colonies accepting fiat-currencies and feeding the USA and EU parasites but the world is changing very fast. Another 5-10 years, at most, before US$ will lose its reserve currency status and America will not be either economic or military superpower. Then, the shit will hit the fence.

The Rome lasted for so long since it did not have a military competition for very long time. It takes a long time to collapse from inside. The USA does not have such luxury.


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:53 | 3467248 jeffellis57
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Is Dancing With The Stars on tonite?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:24 | 3467631 cape_royds
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Remember the Western world is coming off a long period of relative peace and prosperity.

During those good times, radical politics dwindled. There wasn't much market for those bundles of political goods and services.

So when the market shifts, with now a growing demand for radical bundles of political goods and services, there is a lack of credible, well-established providers for that emerging market.

That's why we see so many dazed "sheep" out there. They know they need radical political goods and services, but they don't know how to make or obtain them, and there are few credible providers of radical political goods and services.

But entrepreneurs will come along and effort to supply a growing market demand for radical political goods and services. But credibility and brand profile don't emerge overnight. Most entrepreneurs fail, just as most inventors and most explorers fail.

When credible radical brands are re-established, then we should see what we might call a "sharp correction in the political marketplace" !

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:19 | 3466843 ebworthen
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You are sounding like Lyndon LaRouche.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:55 | 3468031 Demologos
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If you think that sounds like LaRouche, then you don't know the first thing about LaRouche.  His only crime was to walk into the casino and loudly proclaim that the dice were loaded, the cards were marked and the roulette wheels were rigged.   And if people kept playing the crooked games, it would destroy the economy.  Well, the casino owners did not like that so they enlisted the news media and corrupted government agencies to wage a decades-long campaign of character assasination.

Meanwhile, the casino got bigger and started eating into our standard of living.  Now the casino wants our savings and retirement plans to keep the games going.  And when that is gone, we will all be slaves of the casino groveling for a handout of rancid meat and moldy bread so we can live another day.  Or not.  It could be that we reinstate Glass-Steagall to close the casino and launch a new industrial revolution by fostering scientific discoveries in cooperation with other nations and rapidly introducing new technologies based on those discoveries.  Now THAT sounds like LaRouche!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:24 | 3466863 toys for tits
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You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.


Enjoy the Matrix, Coppertop.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:58 | 3467273 Head_Shots_Work
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Well - if I'm going to be plugged in then I want some hot video to watch at least. Then it would be OK I guess. 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:30 | 3468284 toys for tits
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Why limit yourself Cypher and not desire to be rich and famous.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:12 | 3467316 Anusocracy
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In their minds, the survival of the State correlates with their survival.

Only the State trying to destroy them will change that, and maybe not even then.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:34 | 3467941 Seer
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Perhaps the best commentary on this that I've ever run across:

If your experience is that your water comes from the tap and that your food comes from the grocery store, then you are going to defend to the death the system that brings those to you because your life depends on them; if your experience is that your water comes from a river and that your food comes from a land base then you will defend those to the death because your life depends on them. So part of the problem is that we have become so dependent upon this system that is killing and exploiting us, it has become almost impossible for us to imagine living outside of it and it’s very difficult physically for us to live outside of it.

— An Interview with Derrick Jensen
Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:40 | 3467167 SheepDog-One
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We're not in Roman times....things that took a decade to happen then now take only seconds in the internet age, so I don't believe at all that it will take centuries for the system to collapse, it's been collapsing already for 100 years and we're in the final days of it I think.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:43 | 3467176 Joe Sixpack
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"This is how it ends.  This is happeneing:"


I posted your thesis here. Come and explain it to us.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:36 | 3467949 Seer
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I'd rather BE the change, and I do so because that's what I WANT to DO, not becuase I am "forced."

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:11 | 3466811 Landotfree
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The article is looking at the symptoms instead of the problem.   

You can change your politicians, you can change your government, you can change your currency, etc. it doesn't matter.  The system will collapse and then we proceed to the liquidation of the walking unfunded liabilities.   

This path was choosen before the author of the article was even born.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:14 | 3466828 ebworthen
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Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:32 | 3466906 john39
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luciferians...  read their symbols, they don't hide it...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:54 | 3466993 Skateboarder
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All natural merkabas, only $9.99!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:41 | 3467179 NotApplicable
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Superbowl halftime shows put that shit on full display.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:52 | 3467237 Lost Word
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Also at London Olympics, home of the NWO.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:19 | 3467336 Clashfan
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very true--always has been the luciferians--it's just that simple

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:32 | 3466909 JPM Hater001
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Specifically the top of the grey oligarch.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:49 | 3467218 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Yeast in a vat.  Population grows exponentially.  Sugar runs out.  Population crashes.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:08 | 3467305 TPTB_r_TBTF
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short sugar!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:29 | 3467359 Pure Evil
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Attach a copper coil and volia................moonshine

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:33 | 3467370 dontgoforit
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Try a little in the cap first - light a match to it - if it doesn't burn with a 'clean' blue flame, don't drink it - poison.  The shit'll peal the enamel off your teeth while it knocks youdown - good shit.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:19 | 3466847 McMolotov
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It seems as though an inevitable collapse was hard-wired into everything that's evolved over the past hundred years.

And while Rome may have "died" over the course of two hundred years, our fate will likely be much quicker since this is the industrial/technology/information age. The weapons are bigger, we're more dependent upon a "system" than ever before, and unrest now spreads digitally.

I'd say we have 20 years left at the most.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:23 | 3466854 Landotfree
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Unable to expand.... slow route... my guess... the whole process will be 30-50 years, excluding Japan, who has been in the process for a while now.   I would have to be there when the real liquidation begins.

If nukes are used then the liquidation will be very quick.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:23 | 3466864 TeamDepends
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If we get through the next 20 days without any earth-shaking event it will be party time around here!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:56 | 3467005 TeamDepends
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And you know what that means!  (someone please link Otis Day and the Knights' "Shout") 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:32 | 3467145 francis_sawyer
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Can we dance wif yo dates?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:50 | 3467232 Jonas Parker
Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:46 | 3467205 _ConanTheLibert...
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Party like it's....2013

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:54 | 3467246 Head_Shots_Work
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Actually - a pretty brilliant reply - one hundred years from now the intelligent life that is left will be using this as their catchphrase. Other possibilities? "Bury it like Ben", "Coast Like Corzine", and "all hail the emperor". 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:31 | 3466900 centerline
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Agreed.  It will still be longer than we think is possible... but nearly as long as historical references would indicate.  Information now moves at the speed of light.  Big difference.

20 years sounds about right - top to bottom.  Going to be a rough ride.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:07 | 3467064 TBT or not TBT
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The primary motor type in roman times was muscle, both human and animal. A bit of wind powe too if you were in a boat and the wind was blowing the way you wanted to go.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:34 | 3467375 dontgoforit
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7 years

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:50 | 3466972 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I'll say major collapse & major war before the big O leaves..

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:02 | 3467032 TBT or not TBT
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Alinskyites will do anything to get more power or preserve what they have. He'd go for the rally around the president in American politics in a heartbeat.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:38 | 3467962 Seer
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Origin: Go forth and multiply.

If one wishes to find the beginning then one must GO to the beginning.  It was always up to us to figure out at what point we stop...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:10 | 3466815 The Invisible Foot
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But Obama is gonna pay for my house!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:33 | 3466904 Scro
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But Obama is gonna take my house!


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:42 | 3467183 NotApplicable
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Wait, you mean Obama owns my house?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:45 | 3467197 Joe Sixpack
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BUt he will give you a cell phone.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:10 | 3466817 ZippyBananaPants
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When did Obama develop a lisp?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:47 | 3466970 StarTedStackin'
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It's from many years of sucking dick

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:11 | 3466824 ebworthen
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Oh God, POTUS boom-shacka-lacking again.

We are doomed. Love the picture from the French Revolution.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:14 | 3466833 madcows
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with a whimper

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:15 | 3466837 ebworthen
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OMFG - Obama's speech in Boston is pathetic; so patronizing, so scripted.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:27 | 3466882 smlbizman
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plus the texas event is a 1000 times worse...but homey dont play dat...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:32 | 3467143 TBT or not TBT
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Anhydrous ammonia happens.

Psychiatric cases on meds airing out little kids and their teachers on the other hand, will continue happening too, as long as we the left sympathizing and empathizing with the neurologically deficient rather than observing and come to that controlling them better.

I suspect lefties are themselves or know a lot of neurotic mutters, and that's part of why they don't trust others having guns, outside of some well organized setup like police or military or expert supervision. Lefties project their inadequacies on everyone else. Their excuse for letting the crazies run amok, is "privacy". They are afraid of being revealed themselves. Also, they are obliged to see crazy and crazies as possibly a good thing that no one would tamper with, out of cognitive dissonance that comes from their suspicion of their own competence. It's a self defense mechanism, valuing and respecting crazy people ... and extremists who are perceived as victims. Explains the left being so ok with Islam, despite it's being anathema to the freedoms they value most. Drugs, perviness, hedonism.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:56 | 3467259 NotApplicable
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I would say that is true of most people, all of whom hold incoherent belief systems (not just the left).

If you ever want to undermine one of them, it's pretty easy. First, make the claim that all of their desires for control (a.k.a. "laws") are based upon fear of others. Most will claim this is not true, not having enough integrity for proper introspection (or even the ability to criticize self at all), but rather, will claim it's what's required for a civil society. Thing is, they just stepped right into the trap without even knowing it.

Next comes the clincher. I simply ask them, "Well then, how many laws does it take for YOU to be a good person?" If I ever get an answer at all, it is of course, ZERO.

The idea that humans possess self-will is all but lost on the collectivists who only know the force of violent coercion is a "necessary evil" that must be protected at all costs.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 21:54 | 3469411 1C3-N1N3
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That's fucking brilliant.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:51 | 3467748 Anusocracy
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The hunter-gatherer cultural ancestors of liberals had natural constraints on the size of their tribes - limited to about 150.

Any tribe that allowed intra-tribal killings would be at a survival disadvantage with competing tribes that controlled such violence, especially when it came to warfare.

The modern day (conservative) parallel in nations is the discipline and camaraderie of their armies.



Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:43 | 3467980 Seer
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And meanwhile the other team was helping to further restrict our liberties (CISPA).

Yup, ONLY Obama is doing this (an another round of Party Pussy-isms plays out, a future of "It's Obama's fault!" childish retorts/sarcasm coming to "educated" discussions near you soon).

BTW - Fuck ALL you party pussies.  Just wanting to make sure I'm heard on this point.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:28 | 3466885 madcows
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Photo op.  Look at all the disgusting political leeches there, looking for a photog to capture them "leading and Grieving" for their "People".  If they really cared, they would have stayed home instead of making it political.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:33 | 3467372 Pure Evil
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The Narcissistt in Chief miss a chance at a photo-op.

Actually, he's there to improve his teleprompter reading skills.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:03 | 3467811 tsx500
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Unfortunately for Barry his t-prompter skills are on par with his free-throw shooting skills

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:34 | 3466916 Common_Cents22
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it was all about him and mooooshellll.    arrogant narcisist 

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:48 | 3467223 Reptil
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and there's now pictures of paramilitairy guys with backpacks and geiger counters all over the internet
it looks more and more this false flag was bungled, so I think it's logical to assume another one, bigger, nastier is in the works..
the actions of the powers that be are becoming more and more desperate and sloppy while there's more and more open distrust of the government
very different from the post-9-11 days

guillotines or drones, what will it be?


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:04 | 3467296 NotApplicable
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It will be funny if 4chan managed to out the mercs responsible for this attack.

Not that it will likely matter though. Like you say, they'll just pull another one to distract attention.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:46 | 3467997 Seer
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The Red Team is tasked with taking away our physical means (4th Amendment).  The Blue Team is tasked with taking away our "virtual" means (2nd Amendment- cracking down on our means of communicating [CISPA]).

You, good citizen, are only allowed to fight ONE Team...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:18 | 3466846 TBT or not TBT
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Defining deviancy down may have had a calming effect, Internet porn being a relief valve for primal pulsions behind much of males drive for accomplishment, success, assets etc. There is corellation with a decline in stats of crimes of sexual aggression as well. Causality behind that would be the, ah, relief valve.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:52 | 3466985 Chip
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Defining deviancy down may have had a calming effect, Internet porn being a relief valve for primal pulsions behind much of males drive for accomplishment, success, assets etc. There is corellation with a decline in stats of crimes of sexual aggression as well. Causality behind that would be the, ah, relief valve.


Interesting post.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:44 | 3467187 DrDinkus
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agreed, and this is something I have been thinking about recently myself. How much has widely available streaming prn contributed to violent crimes of sxual agression? Gotta think theres some relationship there...

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:57 | 3467778 Anusocracy
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Prostitution worked in the Wild West.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:19 | 3466850 The Dancer
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I see BarakaDoc as a mere barker at the county fair or at a strip club on Bourbon Street!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:37 | 3467390 dontgoforit
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you give him more credit than i do

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:05 | 3467827 tsx500
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plz don't insult barkers like that !

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:20 | 3466852 hannah
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the united states of the 1900's was a unique situation in all the foundations of that rise are gone. there is only one course and that is to go back to how things were prior. it is over....

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:39 | 3467394 dontgoforit
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It ain't over til' we say it's over.  Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?  Hell no, and it ain't over now!  Who's with me?  C'mon, let's go." 

"Let 'em go - he's on a roll."

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:20 | 3467882 hannah
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a hooker (a cheap ugly hooker) giving johnny a hit when he was passed out that od'd him....seems somehow appropriate and looks to be exactly how our economy is right now.....

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 16:52 | 3468012 Seer
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"now all the foundations of that rise are gone."

Um, maybe it's because we've (pretty much) exhausted the capital that nature had available then?

One it was a "Rush" for all the "plenty," now it's a scramble/scrape for the slim pickings.

"Men argue, nature acts." - Voltaire

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:21 | 3466853 Handful of Dust
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The head of the Princeton economics dept 9or maybe it was the Dean...sorry) was on Charlie Rose the other day and even he called it a disgrace no one has been prosecuted.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:34 | 3466915 j0nx
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Noone has been prosecuted because nobody committed any crimes. Or at least that's what Oblamebush told me.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:22 | 3466855 eclectic syncretist
Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:59 | 3467270 FreeNewEnergy
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Yikes! I had to check my estate account, which is where I deposited the $300 "gift" on Tuesday.

Didn't bounce, but $250 of it has already left the banking system. The other $50 will depart early next week.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:23 | 3466857 Black Markets
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This article is Bullshit.

Average Joes have no wealth to steal. Everybody knows that.

10% of people own 80% of the wealth.

There is no theft from the bottom 90%. They have nothing to steal.

It is their labour that is saught not their wealth. The top 10% just want the bottom 90% to work for as little as possible, that's all.

To call it "theft" is just flat wrong. It's partisan tub thumping. Please refrain from such misleading statements.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:33 | 3466905 10PastMidnight
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sure they do, IRA'S and 401's are still plump for the picking but they better hurry because it's retirment money that the middle class is still living off of and there won't be any left soon.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:42 | 3466942 Black Markets
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401K's = peanuts

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:48 | 3466968 Quinvarius
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10 tons of Cyprus gold = peanuts.  But they are still willing to bring the whole country down to get it.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:49 | 3466975 centerline
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They are going to eventually sack the pension funds along with 401Ks, IRAs, etc.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:01 | 3467030 Shizzmoney
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Right, the haircuts to Pensions/401Ks as well as Social Security will result from the coming sovereign bond crisis which will start at around 2014, but really ramp into crisis mode in the Market in 2015.  The politicians, held to task by their banker masters, will decide the ratio of said haircuts in public "debates" which will pit the pensioners (the remaining middle class) against the social security/disability crowd

Hedge accordingly, slaves.


Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:23 | 3467122 centerline
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The whole "divide and conquer" process is going to really ramp up soon.  Moral hazard at every turn.

Got a feeling that whatever hedging I do, it won't be enough.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:43 | 3467408 dontgoforit
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Hell, if boogers was gold they'd be minin' my nose.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:09 | 3468143 Seer
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Whether you know it or not- DING, DING, WINNER!

Most got parts of this correct, but the trajectory is about pensions, and pensions are basically promises.  Pensions are a deferred payment, a huge liability in the face of little/no/sub growth when the models ONLY were allowing totally unrealistic projections (because we all know that growth is good, so MOAR growth is the best!).  It's NOT anyone's fault per se, rather, it's the collective failure of engaging in self-deception (perhaps seeded by others) in to WANTING big returns.  The pressure of all of this has become so invasive, so pervasive, that there is near ZERO chance that we could accept the realities of this all being one big FAIL.  And since it is inevitable that future growth necessary to support the unattainable isn't possible, the only thing we can do is engage in self-deception again and to allow the knock-down of the pensions by "those nasty <fill in the blank>s."  It's never are own fault, it's someone else's! (I once "believed," but I quite, ON MY OWN, and adjusted a LONG time ago- just as I'd blame myself for failures, I feel perfectly OK with patting myself on the back from accomplishing any successes).

Most that sits in those "retirement" accounts was plumped up on the bubble-up.  Most was over-inflated, it was never really "earned" by direct sweat (most was built up through compounding "interest," which is brought to us by TPTB).

Folks can piss and moan all they want.  They can even try to "get back 'my' money!," through whatever means.  But know this, most was made up and no longer exists, as if it ever did (other than on paper- ooh!  there's that "paper" thing again!).  It sucks, for sure.  Better use of one's time might be to engage oneself rather than engage TPTB, as engaging TPTB is really only entering into their playing field and playing on their terms (what, they're going to give you back "virtual" money?  WTF sense does That make?).

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:59 | 3467012 NoTTD
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When it gets down to nut cutting time, they'll be happy to steal that, too.  Check O's latest budget.  It includes a proposal to limit the amount allowable in such accounts.   Don't underestimate these guys.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 12:59 | 3467016 pherron2
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So who's at the top of these payday loan shops? not enough meat on that bone? bullshit!

Yeah they want free labor, & anything else they can get.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:04 | 3467050 Marco
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The new royalty has nothing of importance left to take, but there are still enough savings in this world for the would be dukes to claw out their corners.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:18 | 3467109 Kirk2NCC1701
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Zombie economics --> Feudal economics.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:44 | 3467413 dontgoforit
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The end-game is your soul.  What are you willing to do to save it? or lose it?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:12 | 3467088 Hail Spode
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Their labor is their wealth.  That is what the ruling class wishes to steal.   And they are willing to arrange the economy so that the average Joe works all their life and still does not own the home they live in.   The banks want the mortgage payments and then at the end the house too.    The big companies want the average Joe to work for slave wages or they will outsource the jobs to nations where the people actually are slaves, they cannot leave the country without government permission which is routinely denied for the vast majority of them.  China is the biggest slave-labor camp in the world.  Sure the market is going to drive wages up there eventually, but that leaves decades of explotation of a captive work force.     

And if the average Joe tries to defend themselves by bettering themselves, they have the higher ed sector turned into a debt-slave racket too.   If the average Joe just tries to find a trade that cannot be outsourced, the ruling class just lets in millions of illegal aliens to drive wages into the dirt, social costs for said gains to ruling class to be spread out among the whole population.

If they were using an honest free market to do all of this, it might not be so objectionable, but they aren't.   The rule of law goes out the window.  The laws that are enforeced are not to uphold justice, but to enrich the cartels.  Separated from the rule of law and justice under the law, yes, it is theft.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 13:40 | 3467168 AnAnonymous
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The 'american' middle class are better thieves than the 'american' upper class.

The latter steals to redistribute to the former. The former keeps what they get by themselves for themselves.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:33 | 3467371 akak
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You never have anything interesting, intelligent or pertinent to say, so why do you continue to bother trolling here?

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 14:45 | 3467421 TheFourthStooge-ing
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