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FBI Interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev In Early 2011: Suspects' Mother Claims FBI Set Up

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Yesterday we reported that the initial, and largely expected, response by the father of the Boston bombing suspects, Anzor Tsarnaev, was that they had been set up by US secret services. As RT reported further, in an interview with Russian television the brothers’ father Anzor Tsarnaev also claimed that they are innocent and somebody might have set them up. "I’m sure about my children, in their purity. I don’t know what happened and who did this.  God knows and he will punish them,” he told Zvezda channel. “Somebody might have set them up. I don’t know who and because of their cowardice killed the boy."

The father said he was unable to contact his sons or other relatives. “Everything is switched off. I can’t reach my brother there either. I can’t reach anyone! I just want information. Now I fear for my boy, that they will now shoot him dead and then will say 'He had a gun'.”

“I fear for my son, for his life. They should arrest him, bring him, but alive. Justice should investigate who is right and who is wrong,” he said.

Mr Tsarnaev recently spoke to his elder son, Tamerlan [Suspect #1], telling him that he should take care of his younger brother. Speaking of the Boston marathon bombing he told his son “Ok, Thanks to Allah you were not close to there and did not suffer.”

“I remember I even asked “Who could do something like that?”

“We just talked. I asked him about our Dzhokhar [Suspect #2], how was he. I told him, he should help him out and keep an eye on him, so that he studies well. I told him ‘You left school, got married too early, but the kid should finish [his education]’. Because this is life – those who don’t study work a lot and work hard. That’s why I was telling them study”.

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As said up front: largely an expected reaction of shock and initial denial that one's children ended up behaving in a less than anticipated fashion. So it was not unexpected that the mother also decided to go the conspiracy route, and allege the boys conduct was "set up" and that the FBI had been following them for years.

Again from RT:

Zubeidat Tsarnaeva maintains her younger son is innocent and like so many of the brothers’ acquaintances, claims they were good, courteous kids and model students – especially the younger 19-year-old Dzhokhar. A US citizen who is presently in the Russian Republic of Dagestan, she revealed to RT some suspicions of her own.


Grief-stricken at the latest developments in the case, Zubeidat expressed her dismay at the allegations, recounting Dzhokhar’s life in the US and talking of his status among his peers and friends: he was an honors student, loved by many of his friends and teachers. And his older brother Tamerlan was a star athlete and student, whose ambition was to one day appear on the US Olympic wrestling team.


But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.


They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”


When asked if maybe she didn’t know about some of her sons’ more secret aspirations and dark secrets, she said “That’s impossible. My sons would never keep a secret.”


Finally, she said that if she could speak to her youngest – Dzhokhar, she would tell him, “Save your life and tell the truth, that you haven’t done anything, that this is a set up!”

A clip of the above:

More deranged appeals to some conspiracy theory involving the FBI? Possibly.

But then we learn that the FBI did indeed interview Tamerlan nearly two years ago. From AP:

A foreign government told the FBI in early 2011 about information that Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE'-ehv), one of the brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, was a follower of radical Islam.


Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout, and his younger brother was captured alive. They were identified by authorities and relatives as ethnic Chechens from southern Russia who had been in the U.S. for about a decade.


According to FBI, the foreign government said that based on its information, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a strong believer and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the U.S. for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups.


The FBI says it interviewed Tsarnaev and relatives, and did not find any domestic or foreign terrorism activity.

It did? Because suddenly questions emerge:

  • What did the FBI inquiry involve?
  • What unspecified "underground groups"?
  • Have the same "underground groups" recruited more young people from Boston or neighboring cities?
  • Who made the decision to absolve Tamerlan of any suspicion?
  • Which "foreign government" demanded that the US FBI get involved in the life of a then 24 year old boy and under what pretext?
  • Also, and unrelated, why were both parents abroad?

Dead men tell not tales, and Tamerlan is now permanently muted, so it is the FBI's word, as secret as it may, be against that of a dead man.

As for his brother: one wonders how quickly will he recuperate, or will his serious (or critical as was reported by Bloomberg) condition in hosptial suddenly deteriorate to a condition of just as terminal silence, thus tying up all the loose ends?

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Update: From the AP, we learn that the according to the official narrative, the Russian KGB successor, the FSB, was the entity that advised the FBI that Tamerlan was a "radical Islam follower."

The Russian FSB intelligence security service told the FBI in early 2011 about information that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, was a follower of radical Islam, two law enforcement officials said Saturday.


According to an FBI news release issued Friday night, a foreign government said that based on its information, Tsarnaev was a strong believer and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the U.S. for travel to the Russian region to join unspecified underground groups.


The FBI did not name the foreign government, but the two law enforcement officials identified the FSB as the provider of the information to one of the FBI’s field offices and also to FBI headquarters in Washington. The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the matter.

One by one all the dominoes fall into place.


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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:47 | 3477401 Iam Yue2
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Telepathy at work.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:02 | 3477452 gmrpeabody
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Bullish for tin foil...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:09 | 3477468 Troll Magnet
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why wouldn't we believe the government? they never lie. /sarc

as someone wrote here last night, they will do everything they can to take away our freedom and we will like it.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:29 | 3477545 Precious
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A strong psychology of "denial" exists in certain family clusters, with self-supporting members talking themselves into a corner with glowing pride and esteem. These kinds of delusions of grandeur appear to have a strong correlation to a particular form of monotheism that obviously places no boundaries upon the human ego.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:58 | 3477946 Pinto Currency
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Another streaming source as above link is jammed:

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:34 | 3478084 redpill
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That lady has a creepy look in her eye.  No wonder her spawn turned into killer muzzies.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:11 | 3478477 knukles
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Damned good thing YoBlamah spoke to Pe-you-tin or they'd of never known that Frat Boy was hiding in the boat down by the shed next to the fence up on the trailer inder the tarp bleeding to death.

Damn, the pledizent is good....

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 04:30 | 3479641 peter4805
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I'd hit it on a lonely Satrurday night.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 10:57 | 3480033 Ginsengbull
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She looks like she's off her medications.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:43 | 3477589 Bendromeda Strain
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Oh yeah? Kinda like the denial of the "USA!USA!USA!" crowd if you ask me. Was there credible intel beforehand? What were the contractors doing there, unless it is now OK for duty FBI to wear Blackwater/Craft gear. What was in the backpacks, and how big a failure is Big Sis' "See Something Say Something" when photographic evidence proves that the "contractors" were standing a few feet away from the blast. Failure of intel, failure of duty or something else?

This guy has it wrong, that much I know - but he does raise the above questions...

Pull your head out of your ass and answer them - if you can.



Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:52 | 3477644 Precious
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Good job.  I like it.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:53 | 3478293 Perpetual Burn
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First they where seals now Academi. LOL

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 21:35 | 3478909 caconhma
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A person is innocent until found guilty in a court of Law. Right now, these Bostonians are suspects and nothing more. This is according to the Constitution the US government or Congress do not give a shit about.

It appears that the first suspect was killed and the second suspect miraculously survived his arrest.

Are we having Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby all over again? Then nobody is safe anymore here in America.



Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:32 | 3479053 Greyhat
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Remember this picture from the Burgas bombing?

Within max. 96 hours someone will "find" a connection between the Burgas and Boston bombings and present a "Tsarnaev-Chechen connection to Hezbollah".

And then:


Long military-industrial complex shares! :)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:47 | 3477626 Jack Burton
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"Precious" You have hit upon a very important point as regards the parents of the two alleged bombers. This belief in the purity of their children in not unique to Islam. We all have it to a degree. But I will maintain that worship of the purity of one's children is very strong in the Muslim religion. It really is a core belief, and any parent would by nature defend their kids, but Islam is very strong on this point.

The parents obviously have no control over the kids now, and for some time. Tamerlan has been playing around with radical Islam for some time, the Russia FSB warned the FBI about him, the FBI did a piss poor job as usual. They areally are a useless bunch. I point to their performance pre 9/11. The terrible FBI perfromance is well documented.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:55 | 3477658 TeamDepends
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Did a piss poor job or found their man?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:22 | 3478673 MilleniumJane
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Bingo! (#2)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:23 | 3478682 MilleniumJane
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After all, gotta keep the tax dollars flowin' to the MilInd complex.  "Gotta keep our boys sharp!!!"

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:42 | 3478710 MilleniumJane
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Sorry, double post.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:42 | 3478711 MilleniumJane
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Whoa, triple post!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:04 | 3477691 James_Cole
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"Precious" You have hit upon a very important point as regards the parents of the two alleged bombers. This belief in the purity of their children in not unique to Islam. We all have it to a degree. But I will maintain that worship of the purity of one's children is very strong in the Muslim religion. It really is a core belief, and any parent would by nature defend their kids, but Islam is very strong on this point.

That's ridiculous, most parents are totally delusional about their kids. I'm agnostic but the last thing I'd try to connect is particular parental delusions around ones children to a particular religion. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:44 | 3478408 palmereldritch
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And these are the same 'incompetent' intelligent forces that the people believe can prevent infiltration of government by criminal false flag enterprises?

Sounds like a perfect cover to me.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:39 | 3477861 Kirk2NCC1701
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An inevitable characteristic of all 3 Monotheistic religions is their Absolutism. Which strongly discourages tolerance, diversity or dissent.

When its leaders 'decree' a policy or position, the followers tend to do just that: follow.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:19 | 3477900 Precious
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This is simply incorrect.  A popular opinion, but simply incorrect.

One of the major western monotheisms allows anyone to enter and exit AT WILL.  No consequences except to the soul of that particular individual.  

The other western monotheisms require some form of evangelism or exclusivity, namely Islam and Judaism respectively.  While these same perversions have ignorantly been imported by heretics to modern false forms of Christianity, they do not actually belong.

Christianity is not to be vengeful nor exclusive. In other words, no eye-for-eye (Islam), no infidels to destroy (Islam) and no chosen people by birth (Judaism).  Look it up.  Simple as that.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:21 | 3478038 Skateboarder
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The sports team from my area is better than the sports team from your area.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:38 | 3478091 Precious
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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:26 | 3478054 James_Cole
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The other western monotheisms referred to require some form of evangelism or exclusivity, namely Islam and Judaism respectively. 

Christianity is not to be vengeful nor exclusive. In other words, no eye-for-eye (Islam), no infidels to destroy (Islam) and no chosen people by birth (Judaeism).  

Riiiight.. Let's look at the new testament (which Christians revere). 

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." 

John 14:6

What happens if you don't go to Jesus? Well, you get thrown into Hell. No punitive nonsense there!

And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

Mark 9:47

But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Luke 12:5

Dear children, keep away from anything that might take God's place in your hearts.

1 John 5:21

And what about the crazy old testament?

eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:24

Jehovah is a man of war: Jehovah is his name.

Exodus 15:3

Yep, a totally open-minded faith!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:36 | 3478071 Precious
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You have no idea what you're even cutting and pasting.  Among other simplistic mistakes you make, the Old Testament is not relevant to Christianity. That's why Christ calls it the NEW TESTAMENT.  But I guess that's pretty hard for most people to figure out, since they have been making the same mistake for about 2000 years now.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:42 | 3478104 James_Cole
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Nope, I separated the new and old testament out (I would add that that distinction is a moot point anyway).

I know that book too well unfortunately as I was forced to study it as a kid, including reading the stupid thing cover to cover more than once. Funny thing was I read LOTR (another fantasy book) at the same time and was disappointed no adults thought that one was true, would've much preferred it that way!

I actually find most Christians totally ignorant of the contents of the Bible.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:59 | 3478157 Precious
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You should change your name to Screwtape.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:07 | 3478176 James_Cole
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You should change your name to Screwtape.

Christians always have the most insightful counter-arguments lol

I am secretly a demon leading good Christians to Hell! Just ignore everything I say.. /sarc

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:14 | 3478210 Precious
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You have no arguments at all.  Just (bitter) lies.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:24 | 3478231 James_Cole
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You made the claim:

Christianity is not to be vengeful nor exclusive.

I brought up a number of Bible verses in direct counter to your claim. What are my 'bitter' lies?

Believe whatever religion you want, I don't care. But don't go making claims about your faith that are untrue. 

Another OLD TESTAMENT goodie:

for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.
Deutronomy 6:15

People like to pretend the new and old testament God is somehow disconnected because of Jesus, but the Bible is pretty explicit that God is a constant. From the new testament:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 1:1-5

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:23 | 3478235 Precious
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I'm sorry your parents abused you.  You should find the time to forgive them someday.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:27 | 3478242 James_Cole
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I'm sorry your parents abused you. You should find the time to forgive them someday.

Lol another typical Christian response. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:52 | 3478286 FreeMktFisherMN
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Christianity is not about 'religion'. The Bible makes it clear that only faith alone in Christ saves a person. There are perverted institutions such as the Catholic church whose teachings are not Christian at all. They believe in a works doctrine, in addition to un-biblical things like purgatory and marianic worship. 

Christianity is non-violent. As a Christian I am called by the Lord to be a disciple and spread the Gospel and, through peaceful persuasion, turn people to Christ. Unlike the Vatican which throughout history who would use force to secure more power for their empires and burn people at the stake, and invent new doctrines to get money such as simony (pay for relatives' sins so they go to Heaven). 

This actually is why I have found myself a libertarian, realizing that Christianity emphasizes teaching through voluntaryism, not force. I have strong convictions and values, but do not believe I am to legislate morality. I am against mind-altering drugs and alcohol, etc., but recognize that people have liberty, and therefore things like 'war on drugs' I believe are absurd. Government is nothing but force. 


God is perfect, and mankind starting in the Garden of Eden became stained with sin, and needs to be cleansed of all unrighteousness to be re-united with our Father in Heaven. God loves us so much He gave Himself to die for us, giving His only Son, who was blameless, to die on the Cross to pay the wages of sin, which is death. Jesus atoned for our sins, and in doing so gave us a path to salvation: eternal life in Heaven reigning with the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing but believing in Christ as one's personal savior will get one to Heaven. 


 Please, do not fall for the damnable ecumenical movements and deviations from the Word of God. Faith in Christ alone is the only thing that saves a person from perdition and eternal damnation. God is perfect in His justice, and indeed in Romans He says: Vengeance is mine. But remember that through the 2nd part of the Holy Trinity, His Son Jesus Christ, He came into this world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.  

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:39 | 3478730 StychoKiller
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Faith without works is dead:

Get ye hence, and alleviate some suffering.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:03 | 3479177 palmereldritch
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I think you missed the supersarc tag on that comment

CIA Cults and the Global Brainwashing Experiment: The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre

The international operations of World Vision and the related evangelical groups continue unabashed. World Vision official John W. Hinckley, Sr. was on his way to a Guatemalan water project run by the organization on the day his son shot at president Reagan.280 A mysterious "double" of Hinckley, Jr., a man named Richardson, followed Hinckley's path from Colorado to Connecticut, and even wrote love letters to Jody Foster. Richardson was a follower of Carl McIntyre's International Council of Christian Churches, and attended their Bible School in Florida. He was arrested shortly after the assassination attempt in New York's Port Authority with a weapon, and claimed he intended to kill Reagan.281

It appears that large international charities such as World Vision are in fact intelligence cut-out operations for clandestine mind-control operations and other counter-intelligence activities around the world.     

Another World Vision employee, Mark David Chapman, worked at their Haitian refugee camp in Ft. Chaffee, Arkansas. He was later to gain infamy as the assassin of John Lennon in New York City.282 World Vision works with refugees worldwide. At the Honduran border, they are present in camps used by American CIA to recruit mercenaries against Nicaragua. They were at Sabra and Shatilla, camps in Lebanon where fascist Phalange massacred the Palestinians.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:22 | 3484744 PrintemDano
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Christians have NOT been proven vengeful by your postings.  Christ will determine your fate, Christians are not supposed to hurt people who don't believe as they do.  Those are warnings from God to keep your eye on what happens to your own soul.  It does not direct Christians to harm anyone, as does Islam.  Christians should warn others, and pray for others, not enslave or harm them.  Pretty simple.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:29 | 3478501 Rustysilver
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When asked which came first old or new testament, about 50% did not know.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:52 | 3478435 Doctor of Reality
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That's funny Kirk, because it's my STRICT adherence to Jesus' teachings; that I am non-violent and will die before I'll kill another. So, please try again. It's the adherents to false religions who are the violent ones. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:36 | 3477557 Anusocracy
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Sorry, people hand them their freedoms on a plate by embracing the concept of government.

How much of this shit wouldn't be happening if 99% of the world's population were anti-government instead of pro-government?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:41 | 3478737 StychoKiller
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But, but...Big Brother takes care of me! (Social Security, Obamacare, etc)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:41 | 3477583 Mercury
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This just in:


A stunning turn of events Nigel, back to you in the studio...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:38 | 3478724 Cornfedbloodstool
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+1000 ROFL

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:44 | 3478532 Buck Johnson
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I would like to know what became of the FBI investigation of the older brother.  Usually when another country (especially Russia) intelligence service is saying something about an immigrant that at the time wasn't naturalized yet, they would watch him closely.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 06:50 | 3479712 Kobe Beef
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@ Troll Magnet: Let's see, the Feds & their MSM propaganda organs lied about the Olympic Bombing, Ruby Ridge, Waco, The Murrah Bombing, WTC bombing 1, WTC bombing 2, the Anthrax letters, Saddam's WMD, Ambassador Steven's Murder, Fast and Furious, and those are just off the top of my head.

If the Feds/MSM tell you the sky is blue, you better look out the window to be sure. If the Feds/MSM tell you water is wet, turn on the tap and check.

Some may call it paranoid, I call it critical thinking. Given the Feds' propensity for agenda-pushing propaganda, anything they say is suspect. Bottom line: DC is in bigger budget, more power, more plunder Mode, and we will see shortly how they plan to use the Boston Bombing to push their agenda. Watch the sock puppets on the Sunday Talk Shows to see the rhetorical trial balloons alight.

The War Of Terror continues...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:16 | 3477501 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I don't know about you guys, but she looks too young/hot to be the mother of the suspects.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:29 | 3477807 dogbreath
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she was probably hot and 16 when she had her now dead at 26y.o. son.   She could be 42 and by not drinking and smoking.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:01 | 3478307 TBT or not TBT
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MMILF. MuzzieMILF! BTW maybe she cribbed some of her conspiracy stuff right here off of the ZH comments.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:19 | 3477509 sgt_doom
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Bullish for Lance deHaven-Smith's new book:

Conspiracy Theory in America

Not to worry, since Federal Prosecutor Carmen Ortiz is on the case!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:40 | 3477587 Jake88
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Wow a reflexive Nazi. If someone questions authority they must be crazy. Fcuk you douhcebag.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:00 | 3477676 Mr Pink
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I've been off the ZH boards for awhile but have been lurking for a couple of days. Am i the only regular that thinks ZH has been overrun by mainstream media loving, government worshipping, brainwashed Yahoo commentors?

Maybe it is just trolls but I'm sad to say that my one refuge from half-wit mental midgets seems to be disappearing

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:17 | 3477758 YC2
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It's been shit for years man. It turned before I even registered. Lots of trolls and genuine whack jobs waiting to get first comment on every post. Very little of the intelligent discussion of "the good ol days". The comments on posts at the top of the page (krasting et al) are usually a little better than the crap that turns up to hear itself talk (about its pet issue, not the post topic of course) on a lot of the main posts.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:29 | 3478064 disabledvet
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Pretty common to get yourself stuck in a rut...find yourself repeating your beliefs and nothing more. Also "we got ABC News all rights reserved now." can't say anything bad about the you know you...let alone Goldman Sachs. "the heavy metal band is now doing ballads." (not me of course. I've been attacked and therefore have achieved a permanency to my pissed offed-ness...even though I really can't speak my mind as I once did.) Still there is nothing to compare this insane asylum too yet. Yahoo? Really? That place doesn't challenge anything I purport to know. Plus God forbid if people starting agreeing with me here. That would piss me off too. In fact God forbid if anyone agreed with anyone here..especially when they're saying the same thing. What was the story again? Oh, yeah..."terrorist momma trolling for some action." i think she's finally got the attention part she's been yearning for ever since "dipshit shit for brains" headed back to Dagestan.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 13:43 | 3480655 jerry_theking_lawler
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these sites should come up with a 'democratic' solution to removing thes posters/trolls....maybe a new 'ban' button so when you get some large % of registered users wanting to ban someone they can make a good effort to make it happen......don't want to 'censor' anyones opinion, but when they are here to 'disrupt' the flow of information or knowledge, then that is what i do not like.....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:26 | 3478052 walküre
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Dito. Dust must settle ..

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:26 | 3477797 chubbar
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FYI, the mom's a MILF.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:03 | 3478311 TBT or not TBT
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Sun, 04/21/2013 - 00:40 | 3479449 RichardP
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She's the Apple of your I.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 08:32 | 3479806 Go Tribe
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Alcoa up on Friday.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:08 | 3477464 monkeyshine
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Now will the younger brother claim that he was set up by his older brother, and that he had no idea what was in that bag until after it exploded?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:54 | 3477648 Professorlocknload
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No. That kind of thing would only be possible in due process. That's the reason there will be no court trial here. They were guilty the second this was declared an act of terrorism. Circumstances are irrelevant.

The deciders convict now.

So much for;


Sun, 04/21/2013 - 00:42 | 3479458 RichardP
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Forget the Marathon.  Did they, or did they not (the brothers), throw a pressure-cooker bomb out of the vehicle they were using to flee from the police?  Did they, or did they not, shoot at the police as they were fleeing?  Did they or did they not shoot the guy at MIT?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:57 | 3477665 swmnguy
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Quite possibly.  What else would he be more likely to do?  The tricky part is, that might be the truth.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:06 | 3477472 FL_Conservative
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Let's break out the ouija board and get to the bottom of things.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:44 | 3477620 a growing concern
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i'm gonna guess you'd get a hell of a lot more truth out of a ouija board than the government.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:56 | 3477409 TeamDepends
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This just gets stinkier and stinkier.  Were they just about to trot out the "right-wing nutjob" patsy when that window shut and they were forced to play the "Oooops MSM" card?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3477443 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, totally weird.  I guess I will just suspend belief in ANY explanation until something that "makes sense" comes out.

Mama up there looks like someone you ought not mess with either...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:27 | 3477803 Urban Redneck
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Good luck with that wait... Not only do you have the unholy reincarnation of the Clinton DOJ/FBI/ATF fascist conspiracy clusterfuck, now they went and dragged threw a big FSB turd in the kool-aid punch bowl...

Ironically- Russia has at least on paper outlawed psychotronic weapons (after spending big benny bucks "researching" them), the CIA/MIC and their pet congress-critters, however, don't even publicly acknowledge that the word exists, much less any such black hole appropriations or the fruits of their labors...

Might want to upgrade your tinfoil hat to something stronger (like lead) while you're waiting for something to "make sense"...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:38 | 3477479 Winston Churchill
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Well the volley of automatic rifle fire somehow didn't finish off the barely

conscious patsy, err... terrorist .

The DHS is going to need a lot moar ammo if they want to subdue the USA, of

course it will be 'liberated' from the incomptetent assholes before that.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:51 | 3477641 Jake88
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I noticed that too.  All those shots. The guy should have been hamburger. A fiber glass boat wouldn't stop a 22 short. WTF was going on? Did the kid actually fire back? This thing is so damned bizarre. He drove away in a hail of gunfire bleeding. They find his car. Instead of bringing in a bloodhound to follow his trial or just following the blood trail they conduct illegal house to house searches for the media that monopolize the air waves all day long terrorizing the country over a single 19 year old boy bleeding to death somewhere.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:09 | 3477715 Randall Cabot
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And a boat should be the first place to look!!!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:43 | 3477882 Antifaschistische
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....and, my initial estimates were wrong.  The Police VIP in Boston said there were 2,000! law enforcement agent on the scene.  2,000, armed men (okay some women) to bring in ONE amateur wannabe terrorist.   2,000.   All receiving overtime pay and special 'hazardous' pay types.   I'm now revising my earlier estimates for apprehension upward to in excess of $20 million in labor and expenses (including meals and travel) for the apprehension (and death) of these two clowns.   This is direct labor estimates and not any allocated overhead.

Throw a drawn out trial on top of these and we will blow through the $50 million mark...since police in Boston are STILL on alert and there is still a LOT of overtime being racked up.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:27 | 3478057 Cathartes Aura
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this is what war looks like, from the perspective of the occupied.

best get used to it, war's moved into yer homeland. . .

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:00 | 3478167 azzhatter
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And all the overtime counts toward pension. The weakling taxpayers of Mass getting a big one right up the glory hole for this fiasco

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:02 | 3478171 Pseudo Anonym
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wtf are you complaining about?  mr. chairman bernankestein will print as much as needed.  no skin off anybody's ass.  get to work mr. chairman.

trial on top of these and we will blow through the $50 million mark.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:09 | 3477717 TeamDepends
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We are getting a sinking feeling that the floodgates have been opened.  That they have gone from "baffle them with bullshit" to terrorize them with carnage and mayhem.  Perhaps we are witnessing the start of the chaos they need to implement their order.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:18 | 3477766 Lost Word
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Maybe they were shooting blanks.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:12 | 3477486 Abiotic Oil
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The guy Ross, I think, who got his legs shredded and was saved by Cowboy Carlos was able to positive I'd the older brother. Watched him put the backpack down, walk away and boom. That might have been unexpected.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:38 | 3477590 Winston Churchill
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With enough morphine he would positively identify his own mother as

the bomber.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:51 | 3477635 Confused
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Interesting right? I haven't see anything directly related to this guy, though people keep mentioning it.


I'm wondering, if my legs were blown off, would that be the first thought that came to my mind? 


As for ID'ing the kid, did he pick him out on his own, or was he given a photo? Because that could hardly be credible given his condition. 

Annnnnnd where the fuck is this kidnapping victim?! Anyone seen him? These kids (as we are told) are bad, bad, bad, people. But they let this guy go? 


On a side note: They keep using the word assasinate for the cop at MIT. Which is subtle, yet not. And the timing of those events (the shooting, the 7-11 robbery, the getaway) all seem kind of blurry.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:07 | 3477704 Professorlocknload
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And all these questions we ask must never be answered. That's why there will be no trial.

Can't let exposure of truth mess up a good crisis, yes?




Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:19 | 3477764 tip e. canoe
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They keep using the word assasinate for the cop at MIT. Which is subtle, yet not. 

very interesting word choice

origin of assassin1530s (in Anglo-L. from mid-13c.), via Fr. and It., from Arabic hashishiyyin "hashish-users," pl. ofhashishiyy, from hashish (q.v.). A fanatical Ismaili Muslim sect of the time of the Crusades, under leadership of the "Old Man of the Mountains" (translates Arabic shaik-al-jibal, name applied to Hasan ibu-al -Sabbah), with a reputation for murdering opposing leaders after intoxicating themselves by eating hashish.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:05 | 3478465 trader1
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what's even more interesting is that the young kid is a pothead....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:42 | 3477858 Randall Cabot
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I think they were prosthesis legs on the one guy- he lost his legs in Afghanistan and then got his fake legs blown off Monday.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:39 | 3478400 Antifaschistische
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If this guy gets solid legal protection at his side (I don't know what the odds are of that) he can now say..

"I didn't know what was in that bag, I was just doing what my brother told me to do."

...and since his bro is dead...who can challenge it?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:53 | 3477416 put_peter
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When nothing else works... lie...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:49 | 3477629 a growing concern
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"When it becomes serious, you have to lie."

-Jean-Claude Juncker

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:54 | 3477419 WallowaMountainMan
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if i had to count the number of times the 'he was such a good boy' / 'i am so surprised' / etc responses from parents and people who knew/know criminals, i'd have to take off more than my shoes.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:54 | 3477423 UnclePenv
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These kinds of conspiracy "theories" that I am sure you would say are just speculative possibilities, would require a level of cooperation and silence among disparate parties that has never occured in the history of mankind.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:02 | 3477448 besnook
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building 7

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:07 | 3477473 imapopulistnow
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ancient aliens

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:11 | 3477487 blabam
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Pearl Harbor "Suprise" springs to mind.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:19 | 3477512 JustObserving
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Some truth about Pearl Harbor:


Five men were directly responsible for what happened at Pearl Harbor. I am one of those five men ... We knew well in advance that the Japanese were going to attack. At least nine months before the Japanese attack upon Pearl Harbor, I was assigned to prepare for it.

I was operating under the direct orders of the President of the United States and was ordered not to give vital intelligence information relating to the whereabouts of the Japanese fleet to our commanders in the field.

We had broken the Japanese code ... We'd been monitoring all their communications for months prior to the attack ... It was a lie that we didn't have direct radio communications with Washington, D.C.

It was at least 48 hours before the attack that I personally received the most tragic message of my life ... which was Top Secret and coded, which my radio operator handed to me. I had the code book and decoded it. The basic text of the message ran: "The Japanese will attack at (the approximate time). Do not prepare retaliatory forces. We need the full support of the American nation in a wartime effort by an unprovoked attack upon the nation in order to obtain a declaration of war."


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:48 | 3477631 smlbizman
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and dont forget the mucullum memo...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:29 | 3478049 Edward Fiatski
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"The Japanese will attack at (the approximate time). Do not prepare retaliatory forces. We need the full support of the American nation in a wartime effort by an unprovoked attack upon the nation in order to obtain a declaration of war."

I like the efficiency, the steel-core vision, the immediacy & the common sense expressed in these three sentences.

Murdering thousands of clueless, expendable cattle-slash-peasants with a stroke of a pen, a cypher, a cypher key & a telegraphing apparatus - I think I could work for the OSS diligently & faithfully.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:16 | 3477503 CMURRAYR
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"You never need formal conspiracies when interests converge"

Learn that!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:20 | 3477514 Temporalist
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First you have to answer one question: if there are known conspiracies that are discovered, such as LIBOR, ENRON, Madoff, even after they're brought to the attention of "authorities", do you not understand that there are others that are unknown?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:53 | 3477651 Confused
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This is what blows my mind. Even after people learned about LIBOR, they still have a hard time believing that "conspiracies" are a possibility. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:13 | 3478004 YC2
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Skepticism is good, and hopefully he gets a fair trial that exposes all facts. However, the existance if one conspiracy does not make any other that one can come up with relevant

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:31 | 3478075 Skateboarder
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Welcome to Apathetics Anonymous. Membership: 7 billion.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:23 | 3477525 FreeMktFisherMN
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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:22 | 3477528 FiatFapper
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Manhattan project!

It's called black-box engineering, the grunts only need to know that a rivet A goes into panel B and not question the sum of its parts.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:46 | 3477622 booboo
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Winner, winner chicken dinner, same with the Norden Bomb Sight, compartmentaltization.

"I just made a phone call

"I just mailed some ticket"

"I just delivered a big box to a gym"

"I just asked the important people to stand over here"

"I was told never to ask"

"I was told I was working for the government"

"the guy just told me to set the back pack here and someone else was to pick it up"

"We are at war with al ciada"

"We must support the freedom fighters in Syria with manpads, mortars and heavy automatic weapons fighting against government tyranny"

"we must disarm the citizens of their small arms who are complaining about government tyranny"


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:33 | 3478079 Cathartes Aura
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:29 | 3477546 Omen IV
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really???    how about the banks?  that has now been confirmed by holder that their criminal acts will go unpunished and they will be supported in court by judges covering for their fraud for those who bought fraudulent CDO's

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:35 | 3477571 AetosAeros
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Let's see, Large Conspiracies Known by Groups of 1000 or More, Alex for $10,000

It looks like you got the Daily Double!-

These 10 Conspiracies are well known throughout America, while at the time, if you knew and were not authorized to know by TPTB, you could have been a) run out of town on a rail, b) put into an asylum, fed drugs, and kept until crazy or deceased, c) terminated.


What are:

MK Ultra

Manhanttan Project

Operation Mockingbird

Tuskugee Syphillis Study


Iran-Contra Affair

Gulf Of Tonkin

Operation Gladio

Oak Ridge Tennessee

Iraq WMD


Outstanding, and for your correct answers, you will get a double-wide berth at FEMA Camp Sector 2, Agricultural Production Facility- 'Brussel Sprouts To Tout', instead of DHS Lead Aquisition tester, which has yet to be filled with the 1.6B Patriot Day Volunteers. Congratulations.


/Wish it was Sarc.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:37 | 3477584 Bastiat
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add:  USS Liberty

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:40 | 3477594 AetosAeros
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Really wanted to, but then you know the whole 'Zionasty Zippit' squads would have showed up to derail the chance that someone who didn't know some of the above would actually take the time to look and see that each of these are real world, really accepted, and really proven subjects that our 'Governement' denied until they couldn't anymore.


But thanks for adding it.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:45 | 3477621 A Lunatic
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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:06 | 3477979 Overfed
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USS Maine.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 03:23 | 3479608 piliage
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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:40 | 3477596 Randall Cabot
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"These kinds of conspiracy "theories" that I am sure you would say are just speculative possibilities, would require a level of cooperation and silence among disparate parties that has never occured in the history of mankind."


How about the assassination of President Kennedy?


The close connections between a relatively small circle of people and those in their immediate spheres of influence is no coincidence. That all of them, in some fashion, were part of the circumstances surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy is also no coincidence. Critics of JFK assassination conspiracy theories contend that a conspiracy so immense would require a vast number of people involved. In fact, the mechanics of initiating the conspiracy described in Final Judgment involved perhaps no more than 20 people. Most of those ultimately involved in the conspiracy were probably not even aware of the activities of the others who were involved.

So then, let us name, for the record, those whom we believe had advance knowledge that John F. Kennedy was going to be killed on November 22, 1963. They are:

Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion;

Israeli Mossad assassinations chief Yitzhak Shamir;

Permindex chief executive officer Louis M. Bloomfield;

Mossad officer and Permindex banker Rabbi Tibor Rosenbaum;

CIA Counterintelligence chief James J. Angleton;

French intelligence officer Georges deLannurien;

Crime Syndicate boss Meyer Lansky

Read the entire book Final Judgment here:


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:45 | 3477614 Zer0head
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@unclePenv you mean like that $50b 20 year "one" man show called Madoff?  Or perhaps you are speaking of the  Drone wars conspiracy

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:59 | 3477670 Jake88
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That is what anti conspiracy types who fear the truth always say as they dismiss out of hand all the evidence and all the people who DID come forward and break the "silence". That is what they say to this day about the Kennedy assassination. It doesn't even matter in their minds how many people break the silence, their fear keeps them in disbelief.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:41 | 3477872 Two Feet Studs Up
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I suppose you've never heard of the term compartmentalization.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:45 | 3477877 Urban Redneck
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How about Oklahoma City?    


1) same level of cooperation 

2) same cast of fucked up federal alphabet suit agencies (and a heavy dose of implicated Clinton lapdogs making encore appearances) 

3) much smaller scale

4) simpler to execute

5) the calendar recycling is just to much fun to pass up...

(depending on exactly which version of current events suits your proclivities)  

and I'm normally first or early in line to piss in the tin-foil punchbowl around here...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:52 | 3477924 chubbar
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Bullshit. The Manhatten project at one time had over 120,000 people working on it yet remained secret for years.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:57 | 3477428 de3de8
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Just like all the rest.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3477429 JustObserving
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This affair is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.  We will never know the truth just like JFK, RFK, and 9/11.  At least we have fair and free markets in gold and silver. Forward.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:20 | 3477508 wee-weed up
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Hey, Cuomo says the Boston Marathon bombings were caused by global warming.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:57 | 3477430 YHC-FTSE
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Reckon the "underground group" was the tactical training ground at Langley. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:22 | 3477519 forexskin
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Lots of possibilities - but the real problem is that the MSM never pursues free inquiry any more. They parrot the administration party line - true or false - and then wonder why "conspiracy theories" pop up like mushrooms on a wet spring day.

For an empire of lies, free inquiry becomes a criminal act, and "truth" is no longer based on principle, but on the needs of the power hungry monsters whose only ethical metric is "does this serve me?"

Why would anyone be surprised the country's arc in history is aimed at civil war... God help us.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:43 | 3478112 walküre
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the MSM never pursues free inquiry any more

this would imply that the corporate MSM as you know it has EVER pursued the investigation of "facts" and the reporting of "truth"

they should stick to telling people that it will either rain or shine in the next couple days ...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:37 | 3479297 forexskin
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what you say is true back to the time when the money center banks began buying editorial control around the turn of the last century. jp morgan saw to it that his war investments and the 'money trust' reforms went his way.

been all downhill since then.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:24 | 3477434 Cheeseus Sonofdog
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To add to the conspiracy, I saw an interview with one of Dzhokhar's friends and she said that she and Dzhokhar were both volunteers or participants for "Model United Nations". Wiki says this is like a mini Untied Nations that Highschool kids across the nation participate in. It is also interesting how the first bomb was placed in front of a row of international flags flying(just like they have in front of the UN headquarters).


Wikipedia says: Model Untited Nations is an academic simulation of the United Nations that aims to educate participants about current events, topics in international relations, diplomacy and the United Nations agenda.... The participants role-play as diplomats representing a country or NGO in a simulated session of a committee of the United Nations, such as the Security Council or the General Assembly. Participants research a country, take on roles as diplomats, investigate international issues, debate, deliberate, consult, and then develop solutions to world problems. More recently, simulation of other deliberative bodies, such as the United Nations Security Council, has been included in Model United Nations, even if they are completely unrelated to the UN or international affairs as a whole. In general, the participants that the executive panel considers to be most contributing are given awards, such as 'Best Delegate award'.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:47 | 3478119 dwayne elizando
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What do they do at wealthy private schools? Model IMF? Model BIS? Model CFR? Model Bilderberg?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:58 | 3477435 willwork4food
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I still have not seen any videos proving the brothers planted the bombs...does photoshop take that much time?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3477440 reader2010
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i heard special effex workers were on strike over the pay in hollywood.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:08 | 3477477 alien-IQ
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It really depends on the post production backlog at Lucas Film.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:59 | 3477669 Confused
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Disney owns them. So it probably has to pass some sort of "quality" check. 

you know. For the kids and all. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:47 | 3477903 McMolotov
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According to media reports at the time, one of them "was seen" placing a backpack at the site of one of the explosions.

From Fox News: "The second suspect was seen [my emphasis] dropping a backpack as both walked single file on Boylston Street, where both of the bombs exploded, DesLauriers said."

That's from the FBI itself. Seen how? I'd like more proof than a video showing two brothers walking together and wearing backpacks like thousands of other people that day.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:58 | 3477436 reader2010
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they used to say 'there's nothin' new under da sun.'

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3477437 vainamoinen
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Reminds me of "The Christmas Tree" bomber in Portland OR a couple of years ago.

Whatever happened to him?

He too had contact with US "agencies" before he went down.

Funny how these things work. ain't it?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:27 | 3477543 FiatFapper
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"He too had contact" - that's an understatement! He was groomed for ages and they paid for hotels et al. Just a disillusioned young man who wrote the wrong thing on a wrong forum and set a red-flag, they then had their mailable mind to coerce to justify their existence and budget once they got him to push the pretend button.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:31 | 3477555 noless
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they're still trying to determine if he's competant to stand trial i think.. was in the papers a month or so back.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:18 | 3478359 Itch
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MI5 and MI6 interviewed half the population of Belfast, does this mean they were running everyone that they talked to, or that they planned every attack? If you are fond of filling in big gaps of reality with the first thing that enters your mind, then the answer would probably be yes.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:50 | 3479125 forexskin
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nothing to see here - move along.

leave your mind at the door.

ignore those gaps and the man behind the curtain.

don't bother with any questions - you're just marking yourself as a malcontent.

our leaders would never let their power lead them astray.


if you can't draw the line yourself, it doesn't mean you haven't drawn one, perhaps it means you're afraid to -


or something....

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 03:02 | 3479590 Itch
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I find what helps, if usually you cant reasonably prove anything, is best to wait until such times until you can, before you open your mouth, regardless of how you feel; thats just a basic principle to live your life by(and a stable of all good detective stories), it will save you a lot of time, stress and energy. It will not only keep you out of the clutches of the many bullshitters roaming the earth, but keep you safe from your worst enemy, aka your imagination...unless you enjoy making things up that is. Its not what conclusions you come to, but how you arrive at them that counts. When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. That statement implies you are justified in your convictions only when you have eliminated the impossible. But these days that saying can rewritten as "Eliminate the probable as a matter of principle, whatever remains fuck it too, pass and go straight to the governments intention to kill us all"

There is more room than ever for fear to fester, there are many people pushing it, making money (a lot) from it, revelling in it like the despicable charlatans that they are. Pushing these theories becomes a catalyst for their own imaginary intellectual authority, they feel a sense of control and can bolster their fragile egos talking big about their elite secret inside knowledge of intelligence services, government intentions, plots and cabals etc; everyone is is in the dark, sheep, lemmings incapable of critical thinking and doomed by their ignorance, this is the all powerful hierarchical narrative of their inner dialogue, deduction becomes a hindsight because everything has been deduced in instinct...but they greatly underestimate the autonomy and intelligence of their fellow humans, while vastly overestimating their own, and in doing so their silly paranoid narrative becomes their only source of truth, then its lights-out for good, and it becomes a living nightmare. Its a sickness. There is real danger in it. Its pretty evil stuff. The men doing it are destroying people, they don’t do it to save people, they do it for themselves because they are shallow, empty, self-serving and lost.

The truth always comes out in the end remember. I'll leave you with a fascinating piece of 2000 year old scripture on the matter; Peter 20:10 King James Bible.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make a merchandise of you.

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and those that despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;  beguiling unstable souls: at heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed childrenwhich have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure only through their lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, for those that were clean but escaped from them. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption.



Have a nice day.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3477441 Nid
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Obama and his media lapdogs already doing everything they can to set the narrative and define the Bombings as a Home Grown criminal incident. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:20 | 3477516 Clycntct
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There you go. No need for dhs.

UE the next ride for the less than able.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:45 | 3477618 A Lunatic
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It should make for a good test run for the prosecution of a real live Domestic Terrorist. Gotta start somewhere........

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3477444 Bob
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Who could stoop so low as to accuse our FBI of such a thing?!

They've been working night and day on leads in their investigations of Wall Street. 

I trust my FBI like . . . words fail me, but I hope you get the idea, Mueller. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:30 | 3477553 tip e. canoe
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lastest Jon Rappoport on the FBI

Actually, the forensic lab at the FBI has been under continuous fire since the 1990s.

Whitehurst went a lot further than blowing the cover on the FBI op in the OKC bombing case. He pointed to chronic lab problems resulting in the questionable convictions of up to 10,000 federal defendants, many of whom remain in prison to this day and have not obtained justice.

In 2012, Whitehurst redoubled his attacks, stating, “While I was reporting issues at the FBI crime lab, FBI Director Louis Freeh was doing everything he could to shut me down…”

ol' J.Edgar is smirking through his lipstick today.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:35 | 3477840 Bob
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Makes me wonder if he and Honey Pie Mueller were butt buddies.

At least they agreed there is no such thing as organized crime. 

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