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FBI Interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev In Early 2011: Suspects' Mother Claims FBI Set Up
Yesterday we reported that the initial, and largely expected, response by the father of the Boston bombing suspects, Anzor Tsarnaev, was that they had been set up by US secret services. As RT reported further, in an interview with Russian television the brothers’ father Anzor Tsarnaev also claimed that they are innocent and somebody might have set them up. "I’m sure about my children, in their purity. I don’t know what happened and who did this. God knows and he will punish them,” he told Zvezda channel. “Somebody might have set them up. I don’t know who and because of their cowardice killed the boy."
The father said he was unable to contact his sons or other relatives. “Everything is switched off. I can’t reach my brother there either. I can’t reach anyone! I just want information. Now I fear for my boy, that they will now shoot him dead and then will say 'He had a gun'.”
“I fear for my son, for his life. They should arrest him, bring him, but alive. Justice should investigate who is right and who is wrong,” he said.
Mr Tsarnaev recently spoke to his elder son, Tamerlan [Suspect #1], telling him that he should take care of his younger brother. Speaking of the Boston marathon bombing he told his son “Ok, Thanks to Allah you were not close to there and did not suffer.”
“I remember I even asked “Who could do something like that?”
“We just talked. I asked him about our Dzhokhar [Suspect #2], how was he. I told him, he should help him out and keep an eye on him, so that he studies well. I told him ‘You left school, got married too early, but the kid should finish [his education]’. Because this is life – those who don’t study work a lot and work hard. That’s why I was telling them study”.
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As said up front: largely an expected reaction of shock and initial denial that one's children ended up behaving in a less than anticipated fashion. So it was not unexpected that the mother also decided to go the conspiracy route, and allege the boys conduct was "set up" and that the FBI had been following them for years.
Again from RT:
Zubeidat Tsarnaeva maintains her younger son is innocent and like so many of the brothers’ acquaintances, claims they were good, courteous kids and model students – especially the younger 19-year-old Dzhokhar. A US citizen who is presently in the Russian Republic of Dagestan, she revealed to RT some suspicions of her own.
Grief-stricken at the latest developments in the case, Zubeidat expressed her dismay at the allegations, recounting Dzhokhar’s life in the US and talking of his status among his peers and friends: he was an honors student, loved by many of his friends and teachers. And his older brother Tamerlan was a star athlete and student, whose ambition was to one day appear on the US Olympic wrestling team.
But her biggest suspicion surrounding the case was the constant FBI surveillance she said her family was subjected to over the years. She is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act.
“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”
When asked if maybe she didn’t know about some of her sons’ more secret aspirations and dark secrets, she said “That’s impossible. My sons would never keep a secret.”
Finally, she said that if she could speak to her youngest – Dzhokhar, she would tell him, “Save your life and tell the truth, that you haven’t done anything, that this is a set up!”
A clip of the above:
More deranged appeals to some conspiracy theory involving the FBI? Possibly.
But then we learn that the FBI did indeed interview Tamerlan nearly two years ago. From AP:
A foreign government told the FBI in early 2011 about information that Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE'-ehv), one of the brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, was a follower of radical Islam.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout, and his younger brother was captured alive. They were identified by authorities and relatives as ethnic Chechens from southern Russia who had been in the U.S. for about a decade.
According to FBI, the foreign government said that based on its information, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a strong believer and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the U.S. for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups.
The FBI says it interviewed Tsarnaev and relatives, and did not find any domestic or foreign terrorism activity.
It did? Because suddenly questions emerge:
- What did the FBI inquiry involve?
- What unspecified "underground groups"?
- Have the same "underground groups" recruited more young people from Boston or neighboring cities?
- Who made the decision to absolve Tamerlan of any suspicion?
- Which "foreign government" demanded that the US FBI get involved in the life of a then 24 year old boy and under what pretext?
- Also, and unrelated, why were both parents abroad?
Dead men tell not tales, and Tamerlan is now permanently muted, so it is the FBI's word, as secret as it may, be against that of a dead man.
As for his brother: one wonders how quickly will he recuperate, or will his serious (or critical as was reported by Bloomberg) condition in hosptial suddenly deteriorate to a condition of just as terminal silence, thus tying up all the loose ends?
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Update: From the AP, we learn that the according to the official narrative, the Russian KGB successor, the FSB, was the entity that advised the FBI that Tamerlan was a "radical Islam follower."
The Russian FSB intelligence security service told the FBI in early 2011 about information that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, was a follower of radical Islam, two law enforcement officials said Saturday.
According to an FBI news release issued Friday night, a foreign government said that based on its information, Tsarnaev was a strong believer and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the U.S. for travel to the Russian region to join unspecified underground groups.
The FBI did not name the foreign government, but the two law enforcement officials identified the FSB as the provider of the information to one of the FBI’s field offices and also to FBI headquarters in Washington. The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record about the matter.
One by one all the dominoes fall into place.
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The only FBI foiled terrorist plots I've heard about are the ones they initiated themselves. It is only natural to wonder if this was another one of their setups gone horribly wrong.
glad tidings, bitchez!
it's been a creepy-freaky week in bean-town...curiouser & curiouser & curiouser still; but still, i try to view these events as mere fragments in the mosaic of this day's maddening age. furthermore, i'm beginning to understand this administration in Biblical terms -- in the same way God elevated pharaoh's administration back in ole egypt, for the very purpose of crushing them beneath the silent seas of their feckless hubris, so too is this cadre of godless neo-communists in washington rushing head-long into a red sea of thier own. God Almighty luvs Him some symmetry...and so doth janus. and, considering how much their puppet resembles a certain pharaoh of olde...well, all you can say is that Jehova is some kinda Grande Artiste.
word to the wise washingtonians, stay away from large bodies of water.
what a tangled web they weave.
i don't smell a single rat; this is more along the order of rat-king super-stank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duyVZcFiVSw
okay, i'm tentative to relate this story; as i'm at a point with things where i don't wish to draw any unnecessary attention. all the same, i just can't not tell the tale -- it's just too fuckin cwazy.
before i get into it, i need to establish a few things: if'n you don't know, janus spent a bit of time in the middle east (it was all officially sanctioned). during that time, i familiarized myself with a few of the sir names that carried water (and other substances) out in the land of sand and camel dung.
and again, i moved to boston to live out an experiment of sorts -- to make an art of life itself and then relate that experience (come what may) through my unique and radiant gift for prose and such. i've done as much.
after driving the cab for a few months, i thought doing some sort of non-careerish sales would suit my ends; but after selling lexus for a couple of months, i decided that the cab afforded a wider range of adventure and a more accomodating atmosphere for tweaking my fellow citizen's sensibilities. i did as much...oh-man, did i evah.
but my time selling cars was not without its interesting moments. for example, after working there for less than a month, i set a dealership record for cars sold on president's day weekend (i am one of the world's truly gifted persuaders...which is to say, i'm a fairly dangerous man). one of the autos sold on that weekend (or thereabouts...when you sell like janus, it's hard to keep up), was an LX460. that's the top-o-the-line SUV; but that ain't the interesting part, and, moreover, the LX460 has nothing to do with the marathon bombers.
what should interest you bitchez is not the auto, but the buyer. these fly-ass 4X4s don't come cheap; tricked out with all the fixins, it comes to a little over 80K. and so, when this very young arab asks to drive it, i set to scrutinizing him. i mean to say, he comes in a cab and wants to test drive an LX460...janus is gonna need some ID, and, just so everybody's comfy with the arrangement, a credit card with lots of beef behind it.
the young man furnished both. and then, as i'm typing the name into our data system, i notice two things: 1) he's got like five names. 2) the last one is VERY interesting (read: alarming). it was the same last name as that of the young man who was so recently 'deported' back to the kingdom of the two holy shrines. and, yup, the medina family. BIG-TIME for those of you who don't know.
so then, this kid and i bond. i did like him; as far as saudi youth go, he wasn't that bad (fyi, the scions of saudi wealth can be the most decadent and depraved you'll ever encounter). so he starts to trust me, and all the sudden he wants to order five or six of the SUVs and have them shipped to the UAE. then the dealership takes over, totally steals the sale from poor ole janus, and then informs me that such things are considered 'institutional arragements'. and in spite of the fact that they gave me a generous 'atta-boy' for bringing in a trough of gravy, it was one of the reasons i quit.
but i did, in the course of our interactions, give him my personal cell #. he invited me several times to hang out and smoke down; and though i was tempted (the saudis usually have primo buddage), i politely turned him down for two reasons: 1) arabs are often bi-sexual and i don't like being hit on when the expectation is sodomy. 2) saudis make me nervous; inasmuch as they are always about trying to play every side of a situation (only uncle sam can get away with that...it goes with the territory when you establish global hegemony). and then there was that alarming last name.
so, shortly after meeting him, i went back to the cab and thought little of it. and then, just the other day, i hear this story about some saudis in revere, mass (and i do recall that as his american address), with the one 'in question' sharing the same last name. and then janus has himself an 'ah-ha' moment.
while this young man and i chatted and established trust, he shared a particular story that led me to believe that this deported saudi and my SUV buyer are one in the same. it's like this: in gratitude for all the 'help' the kingdom and its custodians gave amorica in its heroic struggle against saddam, they were presented with several 'trophies'. one of these, and perhaps the most highly prized, was a 45 caliber semi, composed of solid 24kt gold (save for the barrel and other hardened pieces), gripped with a glistening pearl handle. he went on and on and on about the thing...and, if it matters, janus would like one of his very own, too. but the scion of saudi wealth i ain't...poor ole janus, no solid gold 45 semi to call his own. this world just ain't fair, i tells ya!
so anyway, i pull up the images of this guy a few days ago; and, wouldn't you know it, there he is, posing with one of saddam's purloined pieces. goddamit, if janus ain't always muddled up in things one way or another.
as it stands, i guess i'll just hang around and wait for some spooky-types to question me...then again, probably not, i reckon my file is fairly comprehensive.
so put that in your pipe and smoke it, bitchez!
in other news, janus is headed to LA next week for some fun, sun and sundry business. maybe i'll share a few tales from the road.
california, hide your daughters -- janus commeth with a mighty staff to subdue and conquer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5LzCOc98E
much luv,
janus
hey ! welcome back legend-in-your-won-mind!
"1) arabs are often bi-sexual and i don't like being hit on when the expectation is sodomy."
guessing you prefer giving fellatio? no need for a novel - a simple no would be just as effective for implausible denial.
weak, forexskin...woefully weak.
but i thank you nonetheless; for through your frailty my greatness is revealed.
and so i say, behold -- my novel draweth nigh. but, being the forgiving sort, if you come to the signing, i'll draw a lil janus logo inside the front cover for ya...you know, so you'll always have something familiar and grand when you need something to behold.
just think of janus as an idol, you savage heathern. now, back to the salt mines you go.
ttfn,
janus
so these guys were on the FBI's radar?
and yet they still managed to pull this off? right at the finish line?
right under police with bomb sniffers and (probably) fed surveillance?
and then the ensuing complete media cluster. all the misdirection and propaganda.
I think a reasonable case can be made that even if they did indeed plant and detonate the devices, they were only successful because they were allowed to be.
and we are expected, even demanded, to once again put our complete and unquestioning faith in the authorities, to ignore all else and focus all our attention on only what they want us to see.
do not question, just wave the flag and celebrate the fact that we "got em".
anybody remember bin laden? when we "got em" too? no proof was provided, no evidence was presented just the word of our authorities and a burial at sea...
“In a way, the world view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.”
We're being lead by people who were idealists when they were powerless, but who became absolutists once in power. The hypocrisy is obvious; but when the "ends justify the means"... all bets are off. We of sound mind, KNOW how this ends. Sadly, they'll only learn the hard way... and many innoscents will needlessly die because of their greed, arrogance and short sightedness.
99.9+% of those the FBI interviews don't go on to become terrorists. The challenge is figuring out who needs to be followed closely.
Maybe the FBI blew it, maybe not, and we may never know.
What is with the conspiricy nonsense? Good that the Russians gave us a heads up, bad that we failed to act.
I would like to know how many such tips they give a year. If many names are given and they have all been false alarms in the past, it one thing. BUT, if they only flag a few people a year, then some one likely screwed up.
Glad to know there is some level of cooperation with the Russians.
On one hand, I don't want the FBI tracking citizens because they have posted over the top messages about politics or religion. Some of us are compassionate but would never harm anybody. Speech without following it up with action is harmless.
But, I wouldn't put it past certain elements within our government to step off of certain terrorists. Some truely believe it is alright to allow a few citizens to die if it ends up "saving" the rest. If you have an Obama who truely thinks guns are a danger to his agenda, an agenda he thinks will bring utopia, then you might allow some kids to be killed. If you really think martial law can be a hero, but it has never been tried on a grand scale in our nation, then you might allow an event to give an excuse for such a training exercise....
why is it spun ... so that the interview was the only FBI contact? from the mother, it looks like a much more intense relationship existed ...
I'm calling bullshit and saying Putin is doing damage control here. If the kid already had known associations (even through a tip off from Russia) to known terror groups, the FBI wouldn't have been the only one interviewing him back 2011 and it should be enough to have him deported at a minimum. If we go back to the him being recruited to be an intelligence gathering asset it would make sense that it was a joint Russian/American operation where the US develops the asset to gather the intelligence that is later shared with the Russians to deal with the groups since it is their turf. The one thing both have in common here is that everyone agrees the hardcore Islamist jihadist types destabilize every region they take root in and don't stop until completely removed or the region turns into Shariah Law turned up to 11.
I'm leaning more and more that the FBI between this kid in 2011 and the Arab kid as person of interest inadvertently stepped into 2 piles of Islamic extremist dog shit they weren't aware of that are also of 'national security' impotance.
The first step to clear the confusion is to admit that the federal government and it's agencies (FBI, CIA, etc.) do not have your interests at heart.
Once you understand that, once you get beyond that first step, it's not hard to understand how they in fact help arm, train, and assist in terrorism. It creates the cycle that they need: more terrorism ---> more government power and interventions domestic and abroad ---> more anger at U.S. ---> more terrorism.
They feed of the cycle because they need it. The "war on terrorism" by definition has no end. It's never going to end, folks! It will be here 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 years from now.
All the key players love it: the federal government, the military, the big banks/corporations, Israel, etc. What do you think these people would do without terrorism?
They'd actually have to - gasp - find productive ways to work in a peaceful system. They don't want that, at all.
Terrorism sucks, but let's be realistic. You are 1000 times more likely to die of auto accidents, heart disease, cancer, old age, or any other cause than you are to die in a terrorist attack.
And before you even die of any of those things, the government spending on "counter terrorism" which is actually giveaways to banks and defense contractors, will bankrupt your through taxation or inflation.
So, all this while you were scared of bombs, you were being reduced to poverty and misery by the government, and then forced, once you are mentally and physicall ill and without funds, to rely on government even more.
They got us exactly where they want us, and there's no way out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwPKLogb1RU
Hell on earth is what this is. Twisted reasoning, deceptive practices all to promote an agenda which will ensure when the time comes to move americans off America, there will be no battle. NWO baby.
Another Mannlicher-Carcano bomb. Same patsies, different decade.
Geez these government agencies are incompetent.
Janet and Eric want some more redneck, TEA party, Christian Republican voting terrorists.
Obama wants some Syrian or Iranian terrorists.
And who do the agencies serve up? Some Muslims from a part of the world that has nothing to do with either Iran or Syria, one of whom has Twitter account links showing he is an Obama supporter. Not a redneck, Christian or Republican in sight.
And just to really mess things up they do a public coverup job on some Saudi national when Obama is busy sucking up to the Sauds.
I guess it's near enough for government work.
Zero Hedge, this article was just so MSM not to mention stupid and obnoxious. And this from a blog site that believes that it is quite possible that OBL can die on multiple occasions separated by over a decade. I kept looking for a guest posting from one of my least favorite of your authors, but to no avail. A total waste of bits.
More recent pic of mom -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311653/Boston-bombings-Mother-B...
Circle the wagons. O.J's family did the same thing.
There is a photo of the younger just after the second bomb exploded, turning a corner, other people in the showing distress on their face. One of the suspects called a relative and mentioned nothing of being at the marathon and seeing the bombing- which any innocent person would have told of their experience of having seen the bombs go off.
I missed the aireal coverage of the white bronco. So why don't we get any news helecopter footage. Are they trying to cover their track? Is this a new tactic to prevent giving away their location via tv?
"So this went down just like the 7/7 London bombings. The older brother was targeted to begin with because of his Chechen origin. He was recruited by the FBI as an informant, and sent to Chechnya to be “sheep dipped”, that is to establish his connection with “terrorists” in Chechnya.
At this point he was ready to be used as a patsy."
Interesting fiction.
Two Kids over Boston. Jumping the shark in the Back Bay. Bagdad in Boston. What is the carbon footprint of a swatarmy compared to crowd-sourcimg like R.H. Macy*s house dick collecting before and after of the expensive item disappearance? Step 1. The millions of eyes on the alert rather than collected in the closet like a nuclear under the desks! test. Step 2. Don't blow up the object. oops forgot the gram of tear gas under a tarp. It's all downhill from here for overwhelming shock and awe on the homies. It ain't no fun, if the homies don't get none, Mr. not Henry Ford. Fo' shizzle. ma' nizzle.
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/04/18/obama-clinton-and-bush-indicted-f...
Terrorist attacks are always CLAIMED. What's the point of blowing up buildings - or a pressure cooker - if you don't CLAIM the attack and state your CAUSE?
Again I'd like to point to decades of European and Middle Eastern terrorism, where attacks (not just bombs but shootings too) are ALWAYS CLAIMED.
Whatever the reason, the lock down of an entire city is probably the least effective way of finding and arresting your suspect. This is what we have a secret service for, to sneak up and capture the suspects, not put an entire city in danger, not the mention the costs.
Also, if you ARE going to go on an all-out shooting rampage to "arrest" two SUSPECTS, how about using TRANQUILLIZER GUNS??? So just in case you end up shooting innocent bystanders, they will just wake up a day later instead of being dead?
It was a great live excercise in the capacity of the police/army (hard to tell the difference) to put a city under control and enter each and every home. At least this part of the story is a great success.
Boston bombing Plot thickens as Chechen patsies exposed as double agents by Russian and Israeli intelligence sources. Captured patsy Dzokhar conveniently "suffers throat injury and may not be able to talk"
Read about it here: http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.com/2013/04/boston-bombing-plot-thickens.html
Yep, And check this one out;
http://debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap
This explains the lockdown of Boston, OMan has a lot to hide here. What a wicked web our government weaves!
and you believe that CRAP? More wackos on zh than anywhere, I swear.
she's a liar, a pathological liar. They are nothing more than a band of gypsies, shoplifting and selling stuff, that's probably why she got deported. Many immigrants survive on our underground economy and work our system of benefits.
Some questions for the conspiracy nuts here on ZH:
1. Where's your evidence?
2. How come the Feds can regularly organize mass conspiracies, but can't shut down this discussion forum? Is it because they're laughing too hard?
3. Have you considered refilling your prescriptions to Lithium?
The conspiracy wackos are even circulating the naked-man arrest video claiming it's the older brother when it was a wrong guy they released.