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What An 'Alleged' Terrorist Looks Like In Infrared

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Massachusetts State Police have just released these stunning images of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's 'heat signature' as he hid in the boat...





Via @MassStatePolice


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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:31 | 3477813 swissaustrian
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There are ways arround IR dectection, rather cheap ways...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:35 | 3477832 marchare
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Go on


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:35 | 3477843 Mae Kadoodie
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Tinfoil shield?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:40 | 3477867 krispkritter
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I'd have to unravel my hat then...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:49 | 3477914 Careless Whisper
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What's the over/under on how many days before a special ops "nurse" pulls the plug on frat boy?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:58 | 3477956 1000924014093
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Not until they have had a chance to chat with him.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:34 | 3478085 toys for tits
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Did the Boston Police take that boat to church?








Because now it looks holy.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:09 | 3478195 SafelyGraze
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they released another photo using those high-tech thingies

or maybe it was guugul glass

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:25 | 3478240 Manthong
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FLIR brand camera in a copter.

anybody need some insulation?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:25 | 3478375 Anusocracy
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A relative got very good with insulation when he worked as an engineer at the neighborhood superconducting cyclotron.

Time to tap that information source.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:25 | 3479253 pods
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Not needed.  Just go to any place that sells camping supplies and get an emergency blanket.

They (mylar film) reflect roughly 95% of radiation.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:52 | 3479337 cifo
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Like those runners receive after they finish the marathon?

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 08:28 | 3479804 Manthong
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He was under a tarp.

Saddam had a much better keep.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:45 | 3478539 kchrisc
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Stink or shit?!

If the head of state of a nation needs to be spirited around enclosed in a disguised tank, then, well, nothing more can be said of such a nation.            hujel

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:34 | 3478257 LasVegasDave
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waterboard his ass

then try him at guantanomo

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:47 | 3478277 Bay of Pigs
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YES, especially since the US Govt has the high moral ground on the War on Terror issue.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:56 | 3478297 AldousHuxley
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this guys family is from US ally against USSR thus his refugee status prior to citizenship.


But as Sadaam and Al Queda knows, never trust handshake from an American.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:07 | 3478320 Abitdodgie
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So Las Vagas Dave why dont we just kill them , thats right we tried . Now in America we should just give the police the power to kill anyone that is suspected of beaking the law ,i mean we dont need trials and jurys just let the police kill them on the spot it worked out great for the people of germany in the 30s . In fact now we have set this standard we should  alow them to kill people SUSPECTED of traffic violation or at minimum 30 years hard work in a FEMA camp

There is NEVER a situation that justifies killing somone without a trial , why  because if you remove that right then YOU have become the fanatic terrorists and you have killed America and what it once stood for . With your outlook on the situation I really dont expect you to get what i am saying so keep watching MSM they we explain everything for you

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:34 | 3478391 BigJim
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He didn't say anything like that.

He said we should waterboard him (so we can get the exact confession we need - yes, I was paid by Bashar Assad, and yes Iran sold me the pressure cooker, and yes, I shot JFK, that kind of thing) and THEN we kill him. 

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 10:48 | 3479990 Freddie
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Who was the young Saudi? Was he going to get arrested but got deported?  This is how Saudis who break US law are handled - quietly deported.  His family was well connected to the royals and Al Qeada.

Was he paying these kids to do work for the Chechen (muslim) Mafia?  IS this where the money came from?  Glenn Beck says he has some info but I am not holding my breath.  O met with the Saudis just after the bombing and then later announce a $10 B weapons sale to the Saudis, UAE and another SA lackey state.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 22:53 | 3482413 phyuckyiu
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You are right Freddie, Saudi Nationals allowed to leave country without questioning this week, second in command at Saudi intelligence meets Obama unannounced, Saudi's granted status to avoid customs and DHS checks. There were NO nails or bearings in the bombs, otherwise there would be a shitload of people dead. They added that info afterwards when peoeple noticed these bombs didn't kill anyone. This was meant for show. No traces of bomb materials at the suspects apartment. Am I just getting older or have national tragedies always never made any sense like this going back 40-50 years? Why were these kids still in town after the bombing? Why weren't they sneaking over a border somewhere?

Also I think you realize Freddie that the last time this happened there was a Republican in the white house doing this with the Saudi's. They are all the same. A website you'd probably enjoy:

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:37 | 3478397 smlbizman
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we already have...we call him oblama....he knows who should be killed, so pay the fucking parking ticket or else....steve martin years ago.....joked about the death peanelty for parking violations..i guess he wasnt joking after all...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:44 | 3478533 aerojet
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There are such situations--they killed the brother in the shootout.  Should they have lost more cops or bystanders in order to take him alive to stand trial?  I think not.  So there are situations, then, right?  I'm glad they  captured the punk alive, if only to dispel the conspiracists.  And I agree that police should not be shooting people without a reason.  These fuckos gave the cops a reason, however.  So did Dorner.  I still think they could have talked Dorner out at the end, though.  They didn't need to burn him up like that.  So yeah, I don't like the thuggery.  It's pretty tough to watch a buddy go down and then try to have restraint against the violent crook that wants to kill you, too.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:29 | 3478381 Anusocracy
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Only after they do that to the thousands of war criminals in government and the military.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:36 | 3478393 BigJim
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 waterboard his ass

Ah, you mean, like give him an enema? 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:32 | 3479277 IndicaTive
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I gave you a +1 to break your down-vote streak, bitch.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 01:00 | 3479489 HulkHogan
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I piled on just for shits-and-giggles.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:57 | 3478575 Buck Johnson
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I know.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:51 | 3477919 francis_sawyer
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What a [PATSY] Looks Like In a [TOUCHED UP FOTO ~ by the same Photoshoppers that faked O'Bombers BC], so that you, my sheeple, may come to adore the Orwellian sight of drones overhead to spy on you taking a shit...


There... fixed it...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:19 | 3478035 Urban Redneck
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Where were the fascists' drones and helicopters ALL DAY LONG while the thugs were getting their door-kicking and peasant terrorizing practice in?

It's not like they couldn't see a heat signature through a tarp during DAYLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:31 | 3478068 Bagbalm
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The boat was slightly outside the primary search area.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:49 | 3478129 tickhound
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Meaning a few parsecs outside of earth's atmosphere.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:42 | 3478269 ziggy59
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All of Boston was under scrutiny to search

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:33 | 3478388 El Oregonian
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... And WILL BE from now on.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:55 | 3478573 TeamDepends
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And the mow-rons will be cheering them on Yeah! Wooo! USA!!!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:44 | 3478538 aerojet
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The cops wasted the whole damn day and then as soon as the curfew was lifted, a guy, or was it his wife, goes outside and immediately notices a blood trail.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:29 | 3478061 A Nanny Moose
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Was he not wearing clothes? Doesn't IR usually vary across the body because of things like cloths reducing radiation?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:56 | 3478139 Edward Fiatski
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Not with the sensitity the mil spec sensors have.

If anything, knowing the psychology of the mindless cattle/masses, this image and subsequent capture of the "suspect", as a possible result of it, will be viewed as a much-needed thing for public safety - many more buzzers in the air to come.

"Ohhhh... is that guy fucking a woman in a Bunny outfit in the window? Wait, that's another schlong dangling from the Bunny! Ohhh... *FAP* *FAP* *FAP*"

Enjoy being spied on.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:07 | 3478187 toys for tits
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:13 | 3478205 Edward Fiatski
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That would be a very over-sized Bunny to be mistaken for a woman, at first.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:16 | 3478206 francis_sawyer
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@Edward Fiatski


No fucking shit...

Look at the perfect outlines of the various boat features, materials, lawn, trailer wheels... WTFF?... How the fuck stupid are people anyway?...


FUCKING LADDER... Lying 3 different ways in 3 fotos [within 40 minutes of timestamps on fotos... JFC!...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:32 | 3478502 krispkritter
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Top photo shows the ladder up and the square outline of what is likely the inspection panel for the boat cover.  Pic 2 shows the ladder down to the left and is the last pic time-wise, the cover would have to be blown off as shown in Pic 3 and the ladder is in the same position, on the ground, likely from the grenades.  This last pic shows what I can only believe to be Dzhokhar climbing out of the boat and the ladder is likely still on the ground.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 00:17 | 3479391 francis_sawyer
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No... What you refer to as the LAST PIC has a 19:36 timestamp on it... It would have been the 2nd pic in the sequence...


The ladder would have been knocked over sometime between 19:22 (top foto) & 19:36 (bottom foto)...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:52 | 3478563 kchrisc
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But the drones are for our protection. See how they worked in Boston. And I felt so safe with all the "assault rifles" being gov owned and controlled; the way it should be.

The lock-down let me get caught up with DWTS and CSI and gave everyone deserved family time. If only next time they can shutoff the cell phones and Internet so I can get some quality time with my teens and wife.     hujel

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:45 | 3478415 mrdenis
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tho only good patsy is a dead patsy ...........

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:55 | 3478570 kchrisc
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What's next, a little perp-walk through a garage?!   hujel

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:26 | 3478999 RideTheWalrus
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Anyone else listening to this police chase live on the police scanners? IT was broadcast the entire time on ustream, the recordings are still up there.

At one point they arrested "a 60 year old man, not our suspect, grey hair, has a vest and dead man trigger, cuffed, in custody"

May have been mistaken identity but at the time they were pretty sure he had something to be concerned about. Sounds like he got felt up by the bomb robot in the least. Would be interesting to hear his story.

EDIT: found a transcript of someone commentating on the scanner feed - this isn't quoting the police.


EDIT 126 10:40: Waiting on mod position. A different suspect may be found, may have transmitter on him. They are being cautious, white male, 60-70 yrs old. Brown jacket, device is in jacket.

 EDIT 130 10:47: He has something in his right hand that he holding. Last person had a dead man switch. (If someone lets go of a dead man switch it triggers the mechanism)

EDIT 132 10:52: Making attempts to block a possible blast.

EDIT 131 10:51: Suspect is shaking his head "no" and trying to arch his back up, speculating that he may be trying to do something with the device [...]This is not Suspect #2 aka White Hat.

EDIT 137 11:03: To further clarify, guy with the white hat has nothing to do with this (as far as we know). He is still on the loose. This suspect is an old man (60-70) with grey hair and appears to be holding a dead man switch.

EDIT 144 11:22: They said they need to bring in a second EOD robot and a second Bearcat (armored vehicle)

EDIT 143 11:19: EOD robot is still clearing the suspect. He will be interviewed after he is cleared.

EDIT 142 11:18: Officials are supposed to give any update some time soon.

EDIT 141 11:15: They are telling all non-SWAT to leave the area.

EDIT 140 11:14: Subject definitely has some kind of device or switch in his hand.

EDIT 139 11:11: EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) robot is attempting to remove the jacket from the man right now.

EDIT 147 11:26: Because it keeps getting asked. The suspect that is being searched by the EOD robots, that is handcuffed, that has the dead man switch, is a 60-70 yr old gray haired man. He was specifically identified as having salt and pepper hair, even the age 90 was thrown out. This is NOT White Hat aka Suspect #2

EDIT 154 11:47: Four robots operating on the old man right now. No word on device or explosive.

EDIT 161 12:02: Suspect is "clear", safe for EMS to approach him.

EDIT 199 1:21: I have heard no updates on the old man with the dead switch or the location of White Hat. I am only listening to the scanner but I do check messages for info.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:13 | 3478008 Its Only Rock N Roll
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then the only thing they would detect is your melon...easy for the head shot

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:40 | 3477870 Zer0head
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I prefer a tinfoil hat

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:50 | 3477912 smlbizman
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the question is...were did the 2 to 500 rounds fired by the keystone cops land.....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:13 | 3478007 dark pools of soros
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they could of just drone fired on all the boats just to be sure

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:18 | 3478015 hannah
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from the police scanner chatter...the cops were laying down fire to pin the suspect down. he wasnt shooting at them....that is my other question...did these guys have guns. the media said that they carjacked the merc at knife point....?



also if they had a gun, how much ammo did he have with him. bleeding all day and carrying heavy lead around. i dont see it...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:02 | 3478161 Rogue Trooper
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This is false flag gone pear shaped.  They had to find a couple of Lee Harvey Oswalds for a quick cover up trouble is nothing seemed to work out has planned. All this mess was captured and everyone can see how this played out.

They where much better in the old days.  Now they have framed the Chechnyan's this is gonna go from bad to worse.  the black widows spring to mind.

How would these 10,000 Keystone clowns deal with a doz Black Widows decending on 'Boston' with revenge in mind and expecting to be martred, well trained and really packing. Will they need to use Artillery to dislodge them like the Russian's had too.  Now that would be an interesting one for the MSM to spin.

What a fuck up.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:11 | 3478200 toys for tits
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Now that you mention it, why aren't they referring to these guys by three names, like all assassins are?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:50 | 3478554 aerojet
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Do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up?  Of course you don't.  The two guys were seen at the race, carrying heavy bags.  It's pretty clear it was two assholes who did this for completely idiotic reasons.  I blame our dying culture, frankly--whiny douchebags who were told how wonderful and smart they were realized it wasn't true.  They wanted to be rock stars and became very pissed off and disillusioned when they realized it could never be.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:14 | 3478212 krispkritter
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And wasn't there something about them taking the gun(s) of the campus cop(s)?  And I've seen nothing, I mean nothing, on what type of guns they were using/carrying through this whole episode yet at Sandy Hook they identified the guns in milliseconds?


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:17 | 3478025 TeamDepends
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Hope the neighbors have Allstate.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:11 | 3478204 toys for tits
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The 'good hands people' will probably give them the finger.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:58 | 3478579 kchrisc
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Oh oh! Going to need to buy 1.6 billion more bullets!               hujel

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 21:05 | 3478806 The Second Rule
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"Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be safe."

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:53 | 3477930 seek
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Close. Space blanket, ideally with an air gap between you and it.

(I have FLIR, and have tested this personally.)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:57 | 3477948 A Lunatic
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Then you will have also noticed that it does not see through glass......:)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:09 | 3477987 Divine Wind
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The general concept is to reflect / disperse as much heat as possible.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:52 | 3478134 new game
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to the bottom of lakes?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:14 | 3478217 krispkritter
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Oooh, wanted FLIR but settled for Gen1+ NV and PM's....jealous.  (and yes I said FLIR and not FUR...)

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:40 | 3478266 seek
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I have tried virtually everything but the hybrids (PSQ-20) and gen 3+ PVS-14s is where it's at, though PVS-7 with a strong IR illuminator isn't bad for the money.

FLIR (at least the microbolometer stuff) kind of sucks, though I'm sure the cryogenically cooled scanned stuff is better. If I was given a choice between a free PVS-14 and a free FLIR, the PVS-14 would be my choice.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:43 | 3478270 Temporalist
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The anti-drone hoodie that helps you beat Big Brother's spy in the sky



Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:29 | 3479270 pods
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Beat me to it seek. Cheap and effective, mylar film emergency blanket.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:14 | 3478013 Joe A
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Burning the boat?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:59 | 3478301 holgerdanske
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Sink it!

Errh, oh wait, --- never mind.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 07:54 | 3479772 mind_imminst
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You would need a reflective metal in addition to some sort-of insulation in order for it to be somewhat effective. Tinfoil alone would heat up - from your body - and give you away fairly easily, IMO.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:37 | 3477850 Skateboarder
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How do you think the governator defeated Predator?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:44 | 3477890 Divine Wind
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You body would just warm the mud.

This is a standing joke with many police departments.

They encounter perps who try this almost on a weekly basis.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:46 | 3477897 john39
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hide someplace warm...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:06 | 3478180 macholatte
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Hot Tub.

Kim Kardashian's butt.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:25 | 3478377 GOSPLAN HERO
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There is a homie in her butt.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 09:09 | 3479842 GlobalCtzn
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There is room for two at least.....................

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:49 | 3477911 Skateboarder
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Damn... how about next to a water heater?

i.e. some place warm as said above

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:11 | 3478002 dark pools of soros
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or just hang out with the homeless.. like Boston got them all off the streets right?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:51 | 3477920 swedish etrade baby
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I want to see those pictueses instead!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:50 | 3477909 swedish etrade baby
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I remember that! He rolled around in the mud! I guess the perp(thats the word the police use in american movies amirite?) never watched that movie

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:36 | 3477851 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, swissaustrian, do tell...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:38 | 3478260 swissaustrian
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The goal is to block the camera from detecting your body heat signature.

This means you have to put some kind of blocking device between you and the camera or you have to distract the camera with other heat sources or both. (Or you have to disable the camera.)

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 04:11 | 3479630 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Blocking line-of-sight wonT always work.

Like, if you hide behind a couch,

your ass will warm up the wall

and cause a warm spot in the room.

One side of the room will appear cool.

The side with your ass will appear to be warmer.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:38 | 3478088 Kirk2NCC1701
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He missed the Advanced class. Like Ata missed the Takeoff & Landing classes.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:59 | 3478162 booboo
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Well for starters someone standing in front of their window in full view with the naked eye of everyone would be completely invisible to someone with IR only.  Glass bitches.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 23:22 | 3479246 neidermeyer
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A $1.99 "space blanket" would have worked....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:35 | 3477839 toys for tits
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You're going to need a bigger boat.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:36 | 3477849 Motorhead
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Champagne tastes on a pressure cooker budget....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:43 | 3477885 Cacete de Ouro
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Unless you're David Blaine, I can't think of one...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:47 | 3477905 Smegley Wanxalot
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They could have had him earlier, but Napolitano's drones were busy keeping a close eye on law abiding citizens.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:54 | 3477926 Svendblaaskaeg
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"There are ways arround IR dectection, rather cheap ways..."

Just act like the Elusive Global bloody warming and nobody wille be able to detect you

Trenberth: ... and it’s a travesty that we can’t


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:27 | 3478010 agent default
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Use a big IR lamp like the ones many fast food joints use to keep food warm.  The T90 IR dazzler is pretty much the same.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:35 | 3478086 janus
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gonna have to disagree with ya, swissaustrian...

the system is called FLIR (pronounced 'fleer') -- forward looking infra-red.

as you see in the images above, it can be inverted to negate false 'flashes' of heat...and, what's more, it's badass.  you can see a mouse from a hundred yards away, lit up like a cherry-bomb.

it's nearly impossible to evade unless you can bury youself beneath a foot or so of cold soil.  you should know this.

and you should also know that janus has developed a crush on lana del ray -- here's the proof:

the other side,


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:49 | 3478421 psychobilly
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"it's nearly impossible to evade unless you can bury youself beneath a foot or so of cold soil."

Or you could just use a two dollar umbrella from a flea market, as was used by a Marine sniper at Quantico to defeat a multi-million dollar system.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:00 | 3478976 fuu
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C# B G# F# D#

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:50 | 3478123 syntaxterror
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Apparently this feeble bled out thug was able to wield around an array of pipe bombs, pressure cooker bombs, hand guns, rifles, ammo, and escape 1000+ cops and tactical commandos. Either the thug actually was a highly effective terrorist, or the keystone cops were just unlucky.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:08 | 3478185 PacOps
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Yes, but, when you're up to your ass in alligators .... and all the rest.  /

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:53 | 3478434 A Lunatic
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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:31 | 3477817 Cdad
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Is this the day that we Americans are supposed to celebrate our government heroes...even though what is plainly obvious just now is the sheer, unadulterated incompetence of said government heroes?  Just asking.

Good grief [and by that I mean...enough of the hip-deep bullshit already]

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:46 | 3477898 toys for tits
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For all the civil rights that the government has violated in this case.

1) Searching peoples' homes without consent.

2) Forcing their way into the house to conduct said search.

The President stating that, "Obviously tonight they are a lot of unanswered questions.  Among them, why did young men who grew up and studied here, as part of our communities and our country, resort to such violence.  How did they plan and carry out these attacks and did they have any help." 

3) The president's statement violated the presumption of innocence.

4) The president's statement violated the right of the accused to a fair trial.  What jury could even pretend to be impartial after the president said the above statement.

5) Not mirandizing the witness.  Many don't realize that this means the interrogation never stops.  Even if a lawyer is demanded, which would typically end the interview, when the accused is not mirandized he can not bring to end the interrogation by invoking his right to silence or to an attorney.

6) At least one gentleman was stripped searched on the street.

I'm sure I missed a few.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:55 | 3477939 McMolotov
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The Keystone Cops + the Gestapo = what we all saw over the past few days.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:13 | 3478003 toys for tits
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I was going to ask which is better, ineptitude or the loss of civil rights.  Before I even wrote that sentence I realize I preferred ineptitude any day.


Thank goodness, because the government is efficient at delivering that.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:20 | 3478034 A Lunatic
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Civil rights are things like food, housing, cool cloths, obama phones, welfare checks, free medical care and other Government guaranteed provisions............

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:49 | 3478130 Hacked Economy
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In response to Toys For Tits a few comments above:


I'm still looking/waiting for links to any credible outside source showing that the Boston PD kicked down doors and forcibly entered into private residences.  I asked for links yesterday on a separate thread, but nobody responded with any.

Quasi-martial law lockdown of an entire section of a municipality to look for only one suspect?  I'm as disappointed and outraged as anybody else here.  But door-to-door forced entry and searches?  I call B.S. on that rumor.  Martial law enables LE and/or military to control public areas and transportation, but does nothing(!) to allow for widespread warrantless entries and searches of private residences where no suspicion of specific criminal activity exists at those addresses.  There's no way in blazes everyone would just step aside and let uniformed strangers plow through every nook and crevice of their personal sacred abodes.  I know I sure wouldn't, nor would most of my friends, family, and neighbors.  The PD would be spending too much time and personnel just trying to arrest us all for "impeding" their illegal searches by "enforcing" our 4th Amendment rights and getting in their way.  It would quickly become a logistical logjam for them.

Somebody please provide links.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:53 | 3478143 ParkAveFlasher
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The prezident of the freewurld wuz on the tv, sayin dem boyz iz ggiltee

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:25 | 3478239 seek
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Hacked, all I have so far are twitter postings. I think it may be a few days before the details on the searches come out.

Initially it appeared to be much more broad than I think it ended up. It does appear from anecdotal evidence that at least some searches were done in violation of the 4th (the key being the police asked to search, were told no, and searched anyway. If the search is being done under exigent circumstances they search without asking, and searching after a request hurts the case, though the police will have qualified immunity.)

My bet is next week we'll hear about a handful of cases where the cops were overzealous, but I think if it was 1000s of forced entry searches we'd know by now.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:55 | 3478295 A Lunatic
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You must factor in the fact that most people don't even realize they have the right to say no.........

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:22 | 3486079 Hacked Economy
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Unfortunately, true...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:05 | 3478317 Urban Redneck
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One of Porky Pig's traditional sheeple intimidation tactics involves the use of the radio ("higher authority" and "superior numbers" amongst others), and if they did use the radio (and there would be evidence to back this up), then a fuck-ton of Porky Pigs knew exactly what was going on in terms of trampling the Privileges & Immunities of Citizens and NOT ONE SAID ANYTHING, then it is no different from 1000s of thugs executing 1000s of searches, except far fewer sheeple have the opportunity to demonstrate that they deserve  the Privileges & Immunities of Citizenship.


But I somehow doubt that thousands of human beings, much less adults, even exist in the Commontheft of Massachusetts to stand up for and demand their rights in the first place (perhaps in a ghetto or trailer park outside of town, but in my experience "Good People" tend to be anything but good people).   


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:20 | 3478354 toys for tits
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I heard it on CNN when I was visiting my family.  Additionally here's a link or two from searches. (2 links here) EDIT: This is in response to @Hacked Economy.  If this doesn't cause you to rescind your BS call, wait a couple of days and once realization sets in, you'll hear more.
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Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:21 | 3485954 Hacked Economy
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If the rumors prove to be true, then so be it.  I'm only reminding my fellow ZH'ers to provide substantive links and avoid the mob mentality of gossip just because of an underlying distrust of the police (which, believe me, I understand completely).  We shouldn't be spreading false information if we can help it.

EDIT:  It's now a while later, and I've watched all the linked vids (thanks, Tits, for providing the links I asked for and not being a jerk like the other commenters here), and to be honest, it's still not clear what happened.  What appears to be happening is full intimidation by armed goon squads going door to door.  I see nothing in the videos that shows residents being forcibly removed from their homes or being told to step aside while commandos enter without a warrant.  What looks likely is that the sheeple are simply complying with the goons' harsh demands, which as any LEO will tell you, is their first lesson in present an image of power.  Did they stomp through the doors without consent or warrrants?  Maybe.  I'm just sayin that the videos show some compliant and non-complaining residents stepping aside.

There's no way in blazes I'd let the police into my home like that.  And that's not just talk.  I'd stand in their way and demand to see their supervisor (and tell them to get off my property).  They might not do it, but the only rights you keep are the ones you fight for, and too many people let them be taken from them.  I GUARANTEE that the searches wouldn't have worked if everyone had enforced their rights and simply refused entry.  The police would have been spending their valuable time unlawfully cuffing all the residents (and risking other people posting pics of it on the Net).  The videos show no yelling, no arrests, no scuffles, no claims of Constitutional violations...just compliant sheeple letting armed strangers go through their front doors into their private homes.  Stupid.

In any case, it is apparent that the people of Boston rolled over and let their armed officers roll right through their houses, and that sets a very dangerous precedent. 

Thanks again, Tits, for the links.  Let's see what else surfaces over the next few days.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:34 | 3478702 Its Only Rock N Roll
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So if there is a knock at your front door and this is what you see are you going to ask them for a search warrrant before you let them in?  Clearly a door doesn't have to be kicked in to create a sense of coercion and clear violation of your rights via the fourth amendment being violated to "find the bad guy".


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 21:57 | 3478961 smlbizman
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yea...we will scuffle for sure....i'm to stupid to be a sheep....

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:02 | 3486009 Hacked Economy
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Absolutely.  Are you telling me you wouldn't even demand a warrant from them?  You don't answer them at all, or if they persist with a bullhorn then you decline to open your door and tell them loudly through the door that you are the occupying resident of the address and you do not give permission for any searches.  From that point forward, if the door opens, it's because they forced it open without a warrant or probable cause, and are in clear violation of your 4th Amendment rights, exigent circumstances or not.

By the way, this is where a webcam comes in handy.  If you know the po-po is coming down your street knocking down doors, you aim your webcam/laptop at the front door and begin streaming a video record to another site for safekeeping.  Film yourself telling the po-po that you are exercising your Constitutional right to remain in the safety and privacy of your residence, and you are declining to open the door without a court order or search warrant.  If they still "kick down your door", then yell their badge numbers really loud for your webcam's microphone to pick up, and you'll have evidence aplenty for a lawsuit against those officers, and especially the CO of the squad.

The po-po gets away with a lot of crap, I'm sure, but seldom when their violations are filmed and are made public.  Lawyers love video evidence from their clients.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:41 | 3478100 azzhatter
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I would think some of our enemies got a good view of our soft spots during this fiasco. And the terrorists now know all about cameras on the street.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:44 | 3478272 sleigher
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1.  Wear a baseball cap.

2.  Never look up.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:46 | 3478420 BigJim
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3. Don't metabolise

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:14 | 3478346 Milestones
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We had a police action on a much smaller scale in  the rather rural community which I live (appx 20,000 people max.). 50- 60 cops (including a 10 man roughly S.W.A.T) group dressed out in military uniforms, including steel Pots(helments) for the non soldier citizens--and at least 2 carting 12 gauge shotguns which were used at least 8 times as they never policed their brass and I have those shells. Callled "Barracade Projectiles" with the number #230OC stamped on them. The offence for this criminal was alleged domestic violence!! A large portion of the town was shut down like Boston----and this happened just 3 weeks ago. And  now the stranger than fiction-- as the wife was not under his control told police he did not have a gun. His threating weopen-- drum roll please--a Box Cutter.

Mass. you got to outlaw those mighty weopens as shotguns and automatic weopens are no match for a box cutter.

A start of a pattern? Overwhelming use of force to impress upon the public who is in charge? Impressing the public that uprising are not possible? We have apparantly come a long way baby on the potention road to serfdom.         Milestones 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:22 | 3478493 Cathartes Aura
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one cannot expect the police forcers, once over-armed to the max,  to not want to use/display their plumage. . .

this is only going one direction folks, picking up speed, downhill.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:22 | 3479000 The Heart
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"A start of a pattern? Overwhelming use of force to impress upon the public who is in charge? Impressing the public that uprising are not possible?"

Milestones, greetings and salutations.

Have you ever really read in detail this document?

One must carefully note how they describe almost exactly what you wrote above. The nation of lemmings is too stupid to drink at the trough of truth.

What America saw on the boston stage was the new marxinazi-america. It is being prepared for and coming closer every day, 24/7.

The people of the dumbed down and ready to become the marxinazi-america dominated nation, will be happy to see it come, and happier to see neighbors they did not like routed out and either flat out murdered one by one all across the country, or taken to be murdered later at the fema concentration camp. Most for simply speaking their mind. When they institute cispa, there will be total surveillance on every single communication and computer in the world. Everyone becomes suspect, and guilty until proven innocent in the no court trial you will not have. No picture of any family will be private, or sacred any more. Your tax dollars at work for the new world oder of babylon's marxinazi state. The hesidic jews know this and are getting rid of the internet that would expose them to the new marxinazi crackdown on seditious americans.

For the dying breed of freedom loving Americans, know this horrible possible future awaits everyone. Without freedom, there will be no spiritual development. When there is no spiritual development in a nation, it dies. The evil marxinazi bankster puppets have taken over. It is only a matter of time now until we have that bigger false flag event after this trial testing of martial law to completely lock down the whole country. Now everyone knows where all those trillions of dollars were spent, and on what. After that country wide lockdown, it will be just a matter of time before they come for you, and your guns America. House to house, door to door, just like they did in boston. Anyone with a misdemeanor is now an enemy of the state. The babylonians now know you America, are too chicken-shirt to do anything to stop them. The years of fluoride and Television-drug have done the job of taking America's spine away, and replaced it with the color yellow. The same thing happened in nazi-germany.

What is saddening is to realize that there seems to be nothing to stop this same exact nazi-germany thing from happening to what many of your forefathers fought and died for. America. All that is about to become a waste of human life. The people of america are quite OK with becoming the new marxinazi-america, and fully experiencing the same exact fate they did. It is all just awful. The majority is clueless and worse, careless.

If anyone thinks they have a future in the country of america after it gets blown off the map of ignorance, guess again. What's good for boston, is good for the new marxinazi-america. And what was bad for nazi-germany, is going to be bad for the new marxinazi-america also.

Stupid is...what stupid does.



Sun, 04/21/2013 - 13:07 | 3480504 PoliticalRefuge...
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..Societies progress is merely an illusion..

- ah.. the good old days when the sheep appreciated a stunning show of force.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:57 | 3477944 Cdad
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Yes...and more...including instituting martial law in the face 19 year old presumed "terrorist."  If this latest chapter in the utter implosion of the United States Constitution does not wake up average Joe....quite literally nothing will.  And all of it in the face of our government's clearly demonstrated incompetence [from the FBI have interviewed this young fellow and then dismissing him, to the thousands of agents at the scene and the bombs going off anyway].  <massive eye roll>

But you go Bostonians....have a parade for them all...and bow down to your masters.


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:08 | 3477984 YHC-FTSE
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+1 My family don't often agree on politics,  but our entire brood was pretty disgusted at the clapping, hollering, and general subservience of the crowds in Boston at those who had, until a few hours ago, locked them all in their homes and then kicked down their doors at gunpoint.  Just disgusting. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:15 | 3478019 JLee2027
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They're mostly stupid uber-liberals up there. Oh how the heart and soul of patriotism 200 years ago have softened into weak marshmellows.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:18 | 3478029 toys for tits
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The Paul Revere spirit has devolved into the George Constanza spirit.


Ironically, during Patriot's Day week.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:37 | 3478092 kliguy38
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falling for the liberal/conservative paradigm falls right into their hands.....keep the populace divided.....its sooo easy that's why you are about the "uber liberals" cheeleading GWs march to Bagdahd....... or the uber libs like Lindsey Graham and McGain that pushed and STILL push for the patriot act ......If you want your country back you had better realize that true patriots are not LEFT or can convince a lot of people you are genuine if you don't preface your points with liberal or left wing.....O has a lot of the neocon Right lined up with him.....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:05 | 3478181 Rogue Trooper
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Totally agree +7.62x51. Nothing more to say, apart from, it's good to remind folks even on the Hedge.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:08 | 3478472 toys for tits
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Just to be clear, I also agree that the divide and conquer shit is the ultimate plan.  My post referenced;

Paul Revere = Brave

George Constanza = Coward

Which is in reference to this episode:

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:43 | 3478110 azzhatter
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liberals are weak, collectivists. they need to be protected, .gov just playing to the weaklings. If somebody pulled a stunt like this in Texas, the police would be the least of the terrorists problems. The citizens would have killed them 5 minutes after names released

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:00 | 3478169 PKF
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Just like in Waco....seriously, dude, the Left-Right Paradigm is for The Idiots. 

TpTb just look at you, point, and laugh...."See, the stupid consumer citizens fall for our tactic, 'Divide and Conquer' all the time."

Then they count the money they stole from you. 


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:07 | 3478184 new game
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i will not be lending a helping hand in their time of need...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:04 | 3478178 new game
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what i saw was a dress rehersal to gun consfication...

with n.y. 1st

but, some states will not abide - TX and OK and maybe a handfull of western states.


fuck MN

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:28 | 3478382 Randall Cabot
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It's very obvious that the jew supremacists are setting up for another Red Terror:

[Here now are some of the gruesome tortures devised by the Jewish Cheka for its mostly Russian Christian victims.]

When the Reds occupied a city, they took hostages — such as people wearing ties or workers in their Sunday best. They stripped them naked and then bound onto the stomach of the murder victim an empty flower pot into which a ravenous, starving rat was placed. Through the small water hole in the base of the flower pot a red-hot iron rod was pushed to torment the rat and make him wild, causing him to try to burrow himself away from the rod — and deep into the abdomen of the horrified human victim.

They lined up other victims in military formation, then ordered the first row to place one hand upon a wooden table. A nail was driven through the hand into the wood. Then they cut a full circle around the wrist skin, drenched the hand in boiling water and pulled the hand and finger skin right off. This they called “making gloves”.

Interestingly, each torture chamber had its own special torture lady, always a Jewess or Latvian female, usually with a nickname such as “Dora, the glove maker” or “Rosa, the glove lady.”

It comes as no surprise to us to learn that the chief justice of a criminal court in Moscow is also a Jewess, Anya Glusmann, who is said to love pronounc­ing death sentences above all else, and, according to a fawning newspaper article about her, she loves flowers and perfume after a “hard day’s work.”

There is more: such as placing a man’s head on an anvil, then slowly exploding it using a huge iron hammer with ever-increasing weights.

Those fated to suffer the same death the following day were ordered to pick up the brain and bone pieces, the nerve tissue and blood which they witnessed flying around the room. When ordered to their work they were told: “You are digging your own grave. You must be happy that tomor­row your own kind will be picking up the pieces of your cadavers.”

As for men of the cloth, they would bring priests into a church, marry them with a sow or mare in a sarcastic ceremony and then nail them to the cross over the altar.

The bishop of Voronesh was plunged live into a giant kettle of boiling water and his monks were forced at revolver point to take spoonfuls of this “soup”.

High-ranking clergymen had their eyes gouged out, the tongue severed, and the ears sliced off.

Then they were buried alive.

Or their abdomen was opened with a knife and the first section of their intestines was nailed to a telephone pole. They were then forced to run around the pole as their entrails unwound until death came.

Officers of the Russian navy were steamed to death in their own engine rooms.

They were chained to ce­ment blocks and hurled off the piers so that their tethered corpses, decomposing and rising under the waves, formed hideous, tossing forests of the dead.

General Viren of Kronstadt had both his arms hacked off and was then paraded around the downtown area until it became boring, whereupon he was shot.

Human beings had burning cigars pushed into their open eyes until they were blind, their entire body being roasted on spits.

Heads were squeezed slowly to the bursting point with special brain vises.

The German Army discovered a chamber full of these and similar devices, including a testicle-cracker, in an underground chamber in Ukraine in 1941. Adapted dentist drills were used to drill deep into the brain.

They sawed off the top of people’s skulls and forced others to eat their brains, whereupon the eaters then came under the saw and in turn had their own brains eaten. [Paraphrased]

Entire families were arrested and children tortured before the eyes of their bound parents, or the wife was tormented before the eyes of her husband or the reverse.

The Bolsheviks drove nails into empty wooden bar­rels, then jammed human beings inside, rolling the barrels around merrily.

Mass graves of people buried alive were found by the White Army. Victims of live burial usually have dirt in their mouth and nostrils from trying to breathe. The writhing bodies of these people were found in the most bizarre contortions.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:46 | 3478409 A Lunatic
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Why in the Hell do these posts always show up around dinner time...................??


BTW, these guys are amateurs compared to the Romans........

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 18:59 | 3478452 Randall Cabot
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Debatable but the Romans haven't taken over America. Here's Brother Nathanael on the Boston bombings:

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:48 | 3478127 Hacked Economy
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I'm still looking/waiting for links to any credible outside source showing that the Boston PD kicked down doors and forcibly entered into private residences.  I asked for links yesterday on a separate thread, but nobody responded with any.

Quasi-martial law lockdown of an entire section of a municipality to look for only one suspect?  I'm as disappointed and outraged as anybody else here.  But door-to-door forced entry and searches?  I call B.S. on that rumor.  Martial law enables LE and/or military to control public areas and transportation, but does nothing(!) to allow for widespread warrantless entries and searches of private residences where no suspicion of specific criminal activity exists at those addresses.  There's no way in blazes everyone would just step aside and let uniformed strangers plow through every nook and crevice of their personal sacred abodes.  I know I sure wouldn't, nor would most of my friends, family, and neighbors.  The PD would be spending too much time and personnel just trying to arrest us all for "impeding" their illegal searches by "enforcing" our 4th Amendment rights and getting in their way.  It would quickly become a logistical logjam for them.

Somebody please provide links.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:09 | 3478993 smlbizman
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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:09 | 3477990 McMolotov
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If this latest chapter in the utter implosion of the United States Constitution does not wake up average Joe....quite literally nothing will.

Amen. Last night after a bit of drinking, I wrote "if today's demonstration of police state superiority didn't put the fear of God into most Americans, I don't know what will." I don't see how people can't be freaked out by the official response to all this. And since there was failure involved from the start, the "solution" will be the same one it always is when it comes to government: MOAR.

It only gets worse from here.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:25 | 3478048 A Lunatic
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History has shown beyond a shadow of doubt that people will give up everything for the illusion of peace and safety. At this point people either understand this or they do not, and there will not be an awakening as hoped for.........

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:09 | 3478198 Rogue Trooper
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+7.62x39 McMolotov.

Just like David Byrne repeated several times.... 

Same as it ever was...

Same as it ever was...

Same as it ever was...


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 22:42 | 3479100 The Heart
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Hello RT.

All due respects.

Question please: Knowing there may be at most, ten people on your block, or in your area that feel the same and say, you see these armed troops coming down the street going house to house, with all honesty, can you please offer your answer as to what exactly you will do when they pound on your door?

Knowing that all things change, your answer now may not be the same under duress like that, so it is almost a good bet as to what most will do. But please, just for ships and grins, what would you sir, do?


Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:48 | 3478128 de3de8
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Well, it does give you hope in that it took hundreds if not thousands to get the kid so if the day comes where the citizenry band together.......

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:07 | 3478190 Cdad
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This is true.  Should this sad situation ever come to actual revolution, these clowns, despite their high tech equipment and financial backing, are too fucking stupid to deal with actual resistance.  I'm not for violent revolution, mind you, and prefer the revolution of the closed wallet, instead.  But what is clear is just how incompetent these government goons really are.  Honest to God, they asked that the donut shops in Boston remain open.  Yeah...worthy fuckin' long as there is fried sugar and lots of pension dollars.

This whole Boston chapter is beyond ridiculous...and I say this as fellows I follow on twitter [and previously respected] swallow the whole government hero thing hook line and sinker.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:31 | 3478248 new game
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recently watched the opening scenes of the hadfields and mcoys...

not a pretty sight killing your own citizens in your own country.

hopefull of a peacefull break up...

take Tx over Ca in a heartbeat...

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:36 | 3478262 Cdad
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Killing folk is never a pretty sight, and I don't advocate for it...only recognizing the end of patience leading to something like that for some folks.

But it is easier than all that, since our fascist overlords are entirely financial dependent.  If folks would just stop spending money on all things, save for food and gasoline, we would be well on our way to winning this thing.  Unfortunately, it is the materialist sheeple that are the hardest to educate.  Show them some shiny tech bobble...and their knees weaken.  

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 15:59 | 3477958 HD
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Excellent post Toys.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:02 | 3477966 TJ00
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Those rights do not exist on a battlefield, which is what the US is now.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:58 | 3478154 Kirk2NCC1701
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Visited a sporting goods store yesterday... Now Black Powder is sold in very limited quantities. Apparently this started already before the Boston event.

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