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Inside Ground Zero: Photos From The Suspects' Apartment
Yesterday, we pieced together a photographic narrative of the very public events from Boston in the past week. Today, courtesy of NY Daily News, we get a first glimpse into ground zero: inside the suspect's home, an apartment located on the third floor at 410 Norfolk St. in Cambridge. From the source: "photos snapped by the Daily News show the unit in a Cambridge, Mass., building in disarray with clothes piled everywhere and a half-eaten meal left on the table." In other words, typical bachelor squalor, but that's about it. Most notably: not a trace of any explosive, incendiary or other bomb-preparing equipment or residue, no evidence of terrorist activity, and no weapons. So where did the two put together the numerous bombs they are said to have prepared?
More:
Their Apartment 3 sits behind a makeshift plywood door, up a rickety bannister and stairs, in a nondescript building tucked on a quiet residential block in Cambridge.
Though much of the apartment was in disarray, the remnants of the brothers’ uneaten final meal remained undisturbed — with two chairs alongside their dinner table.
The apartment bore indications of the brothers’ athleticism — a set of skis, snow boots, boxing gloves, a basketball and assorted sneakers.
A bookcase with some cheap pottery stood near the dinner table, while a Crock-Pot — eerily reminiscent of the pressure cookers used in the homemade marathon bombs — was visible nearby.
A non-descript building where Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lived.
The exterior of the Tsarnaevs home in Cambridge, Mass.
The brothers did not return home after robbing a convenience store on Thursday night.
Sporting equipment and clothing was found throughout the apartment.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev was married and had a child, but no signs were found in the apartment indicating that they lived there with him.
Athletic gear, including boxing gloves, skis, numerous sneakers and a basketball, was found inside the Tsarnaev brothers’ Cambridge apartment. Nothing overtly menacing was found. The door of their unit was made of makeshift plywood.
Other miscellaneous items were found inside the apartment, such as an old stereo, a gas can and a can of motor oil.
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And then, some contradictions:
BOSTON: 2 BOMBERS WERE LIKELY PLANNING ON OTHER ATTACKS AFTER 'LOADS OF UNEXPLOADED DEVICES' FOUND IN HOME & ON SCENE OF THE GUN BATTLE. BPD
— 911 Operator (@911BUFF) April 21, 2013
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Typed from mobile phone while on the john giving birth to another pressure cooker bomber,
I disagree. ZH puts up information that leads to debate, and they generally provide the information that conflicts with the mainstream view right along with the mainstream view. So people can think for themselves (imagine that). The Tylers don't know the truth of this situation any more than any of us.
ZH has been on this story from the beginning - most of the items including the initial bombing were here BEFORE Drudge - Drudge is so 2010.....
Murdoch is not a Christian. His one son may be but that kid ran away from daddy and his business plus his Chi-Com step mommy.
Murdoch's partners are the Saudis who are pals and the people who Murdoch's grandmother descended from. i.e. she was not a christian or muslim.
LIVE FEED FROM ROME: BEPPE GRILLOS'S FIVE STAR MOVEMENT PROTEST
http://videochat.corriere.it/index_H2401.shtml
Fuck - they cut all the live feeds. Any other links?
yikes!
deus x machina:
" family guy predicts Boston Bombing? you be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch ... "
Nuts; random coincidence/correlation does not mean prophecy or indicate 'predictive validity'.
how do i get two negatives on "yikes"?
That wasn't your original post, genius; you initially posted four idiocies in a row, all concerning the same thing ..
family guy predicts Boston Bombing? you be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0U_HHZd0A
Nuts; random coincidence/correlation does not mean prophecy or indicate 'predictive validity'.
family guy predicts Boston Bombing? you be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0U_HHZd0A
Pure insanity; random coincidence/correlation does not mean prophecy or indicate 'predictive validity'.
Okay, I get it. Possible false flag.
Isn't this distracting from the bigger picture?
"Jesus ZH... Enough with this bullshit already.."
Toadally! I click on ZH and get redirected to the Daily Mirror?
What's next, a retrospective on the Spice Girls?"
"What's next, a retrospective on the Spice Girls?"
Er, well one of the bombers was named Tamarind or some sort of spice thingy wasn't he? <snark>
JUST READ THIS:
https://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do...
My God!!! This is unbelievable! You suspect a set-up/false flag, but how can they explain this away??
Wake the fuck up ZeroHedge readers!! Why no comments on this?!! Photoshopped or false-flag?
> Enough with this bullshit already..
Agreed. An entire town in TX is damn-near wiped off the map under very inauspicious circumstances and - nada.
Why?
Not that the Boston thing isn't history making and deserved of the outrageous headlines - but enough with the minutia already.
Ye... Im kinda sick of this already... The media is full of shit we get it.
I wonder if some of the mess (at least) is from the police having been there. I understand they can really trash a place.
Weren't these photos taken after the FBI had gone through it? Meaning naything of importance would have been taken?
You mean the FBI removed all the stuff they erm... planted and removed it not to erm... prove the suspect's guilt but clear their (FBI) own?
If the FBI had actually been through there already it wouldn't look so clean and tidy.
Which raises the question of why the fuck haven't they been through there?
Excellent point. It should be part of crime scene. They should still be going over it. Unless maybe they already know it's not relevant.
How could FBI forget the gas can?
At least they recycled
And women's shoes on the stairs.
You mean the toe fuckers? Hip guys are wearing those now.
Kind of expect to see a few pbr empties laying around
Devout Muslims don't drink dufus.
The text does mention that one of the brothers was married.
The brothers seem to be living together in masculine squalor, while the wife and child live elsewhere but visit often enough to leave the occasional article with the husband for convenient use, kind of like how college boys' girlfriends tend to cache a bottle of their favorite shampoo and a change of clothes at their boyfriends' bachelor sties. There's probably a depressing explanation behind why the family wasn't living together, one that will turn out to be very sad for the wife.
Yeah. He beat the shit out of her and she moved back home to live with her parents in North Kingston. At least she was smart enough to get her daughter away from him.
Her dad is a doctor and mother is a nurse. RI? Probably voted for O like they dead chechen muslim gangster son-in-law.
***He beat the shit out of her***
Muslims are allowed to physically chastize (beat the shit out of) their wives.
hi Ms. washing feet and taking shoes off 5 times/day make the metrosexual look very practical. - Ned
I'd go nuts too, living in that filth.
Who leaves a half-eaten meal on the table? They aren't bachelors, they're swine.
They could have been in the middle of a meal and watching the news when they learned who the bombing suspects were...
hey Buckaroo, knock it off!!!
Silly Tyler, don't you know there's a warehouse or building yet to be discovered to clearly prove our two terrorists guilt? Stop trying to guess the MSM script, explosives will be found and little trivial inconsistencies like this will be brushed aside with good old MSM distraction!
Explosives will be found?
Explosives, (to include ammonium nitrate, gunpowder, fireworks, gasoline, detergent) Black Rifles, reloading components, Bibles, homeschooling supplies, unpasteurized milk, PM's and a college paper disproving the theory of global warming............
That fits the "profile", not these guys.
College paper with an anti-Keyensian screed, dartboard with Krugman's picture, and a copy of The Creature from Jekyll Island too.
Harbanger; it's the classic additional explosives found. In 7/7 the police found the bomber's car loaded with explosives, which doesn't make any sense why rig a car with explosives when you intend to blow yourself up first?
There's a dang pressure cooker in the picture (with the unbeaten meal).
Check Holder's residence.
I'm tired of learning about these terrorists after the fact...spending millions in man hunts after the crime is commmitted.
How about deep background checks on all students here in a visa and deport anyone in this country (permanently) that's here with an expired visa?
Well that may fix the problem and then what would Shithead Schumer have to bloviate about?
surely, you jest?
Background checks are only for legal US citizens who would want to buy a gun.........illegals aren't privileged to have background checks...they are innocent before proven guilty...US citizens are guilty before proven innocent...
Yes, I'd much rather see prosecutions for thought crimes, Facebook posts, internet rants, and "unauthorized" purchases from the local hardware store..............
In many places "hate speech is already illegal" (define hate speech) so don't worry about "thought crimes". Political correctness is cooking your brain.
In my day you were free to run your mouth all you wanted. I was also free to put my fucking fist in it if you crossed the line. That's how political correctness is supposed to work..........
That's how PC is supposed to work? You know how it works. I don't need to explain it to you.
You mean, like:
FBI statistics show that hammers are more deadly than rifles. Shumer ought to look into this.
- Ned
re-export liberal voters? never!!! we be damned!
Agreed. If I were in, say, Germany, and something happened, I'd have to assume they might look at me, the foreigner, a little bit more than almost any other citizen of Germany. It's only right to do so. The last people, to be hassled, without question, are the citizens of Germany who have never displayed any terrorist act, nor anyone in their family, paying their German taxes, the citizens virtually carrying the country on their backs.
They should, in fact, have all of their rights, including those stolen through the years, protected and even reinstated, especially the ones from the last decade including The Patriot Act, NDAA, ,,,,
What country was a talking about again?....sorry...I veered off there...back to this story....
definitely...These terrorist brothers in Boston: CLEARLY masterminds...no question
"The brothers did not return home after robbing a convenience store on Thursday night."
They didn't rob the store. Stop the false reporting.
What happened and how do you know it?
The Boston police announced that the 7-11 robbery was not done by these two.
Thanks, WOW! So the security guard shot there was not shot by them? This story really is still screwed.
"I love it when a plan comes together!'
-Hannibal
Ms. the MIT campus cop was assasinated not at the 7-11. By them as far as we know so far. 6 rounds.
Homer Simpson is in custody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hJamCSEsv6k#!
Here is the naked guy (obscured - darn!), so not sure if he ran over his brother before or after. This is at MIT, Watertown. It's a complicated web.
It wasn't a 7-11 ...
Hadji's Friendly Convenience Store.
what a shit hole..
i've lived in much worse while making over six figures. to each his own.
A palace compared to Chechya. I bet his rent for that dump is $1200 a month.
Boston living at its finest! Living up here in the lovely Northeast cramped next to unemployed college grads riddled with debt and possible terrerrisss is just awesome. Hark! Tis' 40 degrees today...in late April. Oh that darned Global Warming....you are so pesky. Ahh yes. This is the life. 1200 a month for a 400 sq ft rat trap and milk at $5 a gallon as you get riddled with industrial air waste. Sign me the fuck up! What is the green and brown thing yonder?...A tree? What are those?!?! Well, off to my third job flipping burgers and taking two hours of mass transit to get to my job I could lose any moment working with people who do not speak English.
Boston. Yeah, I was there once.
ONCE!
Not masochistic enough to go back, I guess.
On relating my first and only encounter with the Boston SS, a local just shrugged his shoulders and said, sarcastically, Welcuum to Bwaustuun. I returned with "which way to the airport?"
Now I just make sure "Boston" in not on any travel itinerary! Fool me twice? Shit no!
Don't even ask how it went down. It will only further tarnish your image of that open air insane asylum.
What fucking Euro-Muslim squalor these fucking gypsies live in. Looks like a ghetto.
This is our fucking city !! - David Ortiz
You can have it David.
So what is rent in Cambridge these days - $200/mo? How did these guys make a living to afford Dartmouth, the BMW, the Camaro, all the fitness equipment and clothes and Gym Rat time?
Are we going to find out that these are the type of guys that would work and get PAID by the FBI as "informants" - the type of guys that go around setting up the mentally ill and retarded into becoming "terrorists" - as accurately portrayed in the April 2012 NYT piece - "Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I?"
The idea that #1 Son had a deportation arrest in his background makes perfect leverage for some low level psycho to actually work for the FBI.
You have to be Boston Strong to pick up the pieces of Quantico Stupid.
The answer is simple: Fed QE, which ends up in loans to everybody who asks. Btw Why wouldnt you take as much loan as you can before blowing up bunch of people.
Cars were most likely leased. The Armenians in LA do this all the time - the family lives 6 to a Section 8 apartment in Hollywood and they drive all new Lexis and Mercedes autos.
Yes.
As if rural trailer trash doesn't do the exact same thing?
Saudis, Chechnian muslim mafia too. Boston has TONS of Saudi money and Saudi influence.
FBI? Whitey Bulger was on the Ten Most wanted list of the FBI for 12 years in Boston because they FBI was protecting him. The Boston police, MA state police and another agency stopped giving intel to the FBI in Boston because Bulger was being protected.
He eventually was arrested 20 years late in Santa Monica when an Icelandic women on vacation remembered him from America's Most Wanted. He had been hiding out in so Cal for at least a decade. He wanted to kill radio host Howie Carr because Howie kept saying on the radio that the Boston cops were protecting Bulger.
This is how the FBI and cops roll in Boston where LOTS of Saudi money talks.
They weren't attending Dartmouth, that's in New Hampshire! Somehow UMass appropriated the same name for one of their shitty, underachiever campuses. Don't throw the real Dartmouth under the bus!
The BMW was stolen. Or they were drug dealers, take your pick on that one.
"Most notably: not a trace of any explosive, incendiary or other bomb-preparing equipment or residue, no evidence of terrorist activity, and no weapons. So where did the two put together the numerous bombs they are said to have prepared?"
The question everybody should be asking.
The terrorista's know the system and rules...don't eat where you shit.....They fragment everything...they are on foreign turf here...the dominoes will start to fall when they unravel the case...wait and see...
The unravel is in the hands of the Feds. You think they are going to tell us the "rest of the story.?"
by this
i presume you meant when the feds start planting evidence in other locations and link the kids to it?
The only people that will "unravel" this case with be the foreign (UK) press like the Daily Mail.
I thought I saw a patsy on the table there.
Looks like Osama's dump. Maybe they'll bury him at sea?
You just raped the "ground zero" meme...
But that's ok: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7imfoOHaW... NSFW, somewhere...
I agree, this is anything but 'ground zero'
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These are the pictures of half of apartments in US.
"A non-descript building". Aside from the white house, 99% of building in US are non-descript.
I'd probably rob a convenience store if I lived in a dump like this...
I have followed ZH for years and can not believe this obsession with this topic. Were you bought out by CNN?
Move on.
So they didn't build the bombs there. Another piece of the puzzle.
If these photos are before anything was taken....maybe, maybe not, it seems very inconsistent with what one would expect to find in a place occupied by terrists.
YOU are flagged, or how would you know: "it seems very inconsistent with what one would expect to find in a place occupied by terrists."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
How much longer are we going to suffer this bulls**t story that these 2 guys were the bombers ?
@ impermanence
Your profile says 50 weeks and 2 days.
Not that you're necessarily lying.
The hoopla gets old, but I like the reporting ZH has provided and linked to. It's a bit different than what the MSM is offering: genuflection at the feet of the police state.
Another consideration: they have done financials throughout the badaboom coverage... It's the weekend, and very often we get two or three offerings during the weekend.
Not to mention the click worthiness. Hate if you will, but blog hosts gotta eat too.
Final thought.... You are not forced to click, read or comment.
How much was the rent on that shithole? $5 a month? Oh wait, it's Boston so the rent was $5000 a month? There was not even a scythe in that apartment. In mine there is. Makes for interesting decor.
If only we really really welcomed these lads with human, modern clean housing, with status and amenities( pool, sauna..) like in Sweden, or some other enlighten country.
/S
Sweden treats its poor very well. A poster on ZH told me so.
Follow the money.
"Follow the money."
And the blueprint.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion4.htm#protocol%20No.%2010
Zero Hedge, please stop with these stories. You're turning into Nancy Grace.
Carnack's envelope reads: "What do radicalized jihadist Muslims do at the sleeper cell meetings in the basement of the mosque in their free time?"
Argue over lost shower thongs?
Argue over who gets first crack when someone drops the soap.
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Most notably: not a trace of any explosive, incendiary or other bomb-preparing equipment or residue, no evidence of terrorist activity, and no weapons. So where did the two put together the numerous bombs they are said to have prepared?
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The shit isn't there, because these guys didn't do anything.
This bombing was done by the US Government. Have I made it clear enough?
THE GOVERNMENT DID THIS.
Perhaps they were provided to them by other people.
Like... the FBI? Usually they go with inert substances... but maybe they wanted a little more bang for their buck this time?
Seize Mars:
" The shit isn't there, because these guys didn't do anything. "
Timeline comprehension FAIL; they shot their wad in the firefight with the poh-leece ......because...TV said so?
Why should anyone even believe there was a Boston Marathon if they didn't see it live - if they only saw it on T.V.?
Why should you believe anything at all other than the few limited things you can experience first hand. Oh, wait ... Research shows us that our senses can fool us badly at times, so we often cannot even believe them (how do I know this is really me hurting when I pinch myself, and not somebody else that is actually hurting?). I guess the truth is that only we exist, and nothing else. Cause we can't believe what anybody tells us about stuff we haven't experience first hand. Pretty dismal life, that.
When I was about 13 a buddy and I rode bikes to the beginning of the marathon, rode along the whole thing and rode home . . . so it's real, I promise.
We are looking in the wrong places for the source of domestic terrorism. Our universities and the radical liberal professors they hire are the source of the problem. They preach nothing but hatred for the US and it's economic system. This hatred filters all the way down to our local school systems. Nothing will change until that is fixed.
I am a university professor. One of my topics I lecture on is how the government has been bought by banking and corporate interests. I show them charts about contributions to prove this. I also show them BLS charts and contrast them with shadow stats charts. I show them the Baltic Dry Index and lecture on the history of fiat currencies. I lecture on the housing bubble, subprime lending, on the relationship between the Treasury and the Fed, and more. By the time they are done listening to what I have to say, almost all of them have, at minimum, some deep doubts about the wholesomeness of their government.
Am I a radical liberal?
Am I a domestic terrorist?
You are none of the above just as long as you place equal blame on both parties. How do your fellow professors react to the fact that you feel that the democrats are equally to blame?
I hope that you also teach your students the difference between state sponsored Crony Capitalism and real Capitalism.
No Miscreat you are a unproductive citizen - get a real fucking job and produce something.
Truly enlightening professors are producing something of worth. Probably the most valuable thing this country needs in light of the massive propaganda machine and pervasive group think.
More value to the education bubble - YEAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY
I agree that there is a bubble. I question what I am doing, daily. I worry that I am part of a Ponzi scam and that I am not helping them prepare for jobs or a better future. I tell my students that they may be getting ripped off, that they may regret their education if they are in debt and can't get a job. I let them know that student loan debt has surpassed credit card debt, nationally.
I show them inflation rates for housing, medical, and education. These rates far surpass other rates (fuel, food, etc). I ask, what do these all have in common? Government subsidy, I answer. They are shocked, typically no one has ever explained things in this way before. I even go into moral hazard (a term none of them have heard).
I am okay with you being skeptical, I don't like it, but you should be.
I'm starting to become a believer in you. Big gummbit is the problem PERIOD. End ALL bailouts and subsidies and let TBTF go bk....
Makes me wonder if you actually have taken classes or are just taking some talking points from right wing "conservative" media. My money is on the latter.
My students are quite aware that I see the democrats and republicans as both benefiting from the same interests, thus they represent the same interests. I don't debate politics with my colleagues. One of them is very much on the exact same page as I am. The others are lost in a liberal fantasy (I used to be too, thought it was compassionate, I was wrong).
I go to a lot of trouble to explore many different theorists' takes on the nature of capitalism. They get it that what we have is a simulacra of capitalism, that capitalism is not permitted to just be, without intervention.
How do you cook?
My husband thinks I do pretty good, my kid too.
"Am I a radical liberal?
Am I a domestic terrorist? "
Depends who you ask of course but we need more professors like you IMO.
Thanks. ;-)
you will soon be an IRS victim.
Sedition will not be tolerated.
Don't think I don't worry, more every year.
Don't worry too much: I know a guy who was an early member of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Although a tenured classics professor, he's taught an always full 9/11 class for the las 10 years. The University admin pressured him for awhile but he got them to back off. No trouble with the feds yet. But thanks for teaching the truth.
We need thousands more like you, MsCreant. Young kids are inherently distrustful of authority, and it seems most educators take it upon themselves to drive that distrust out of them instead of nurturing it. Smart people don't shut their minds and believe everything they're told by the folks who run the system; that's what future slaves do.
Also, you should totally record your lectures while standing in front of a Gadsden flag and holding an AR-15, and then post them to Youtube.
Smoking a cigarette....
Question everything, that is critical thinking. If they learn how to learn, they got something for their money. Many of my students get upset because I don't tell them what they are supposed to think. Some actually panic. Too much emphasis on passing the test and getting a framed piece of paper.
It is sad that if I did as you said and posted it to Youtube, I would be branded a terrorist.
MsCreant:
" I am a university professor. One of my topics I lecture on is how the government has been bought by banking and corporate interests. I show them charts about contributions to prove this. ... "
SHEER GENIUS, and I say this without reservation.
Linking coincidences DOES NOT prove causation.
But, being (probably) a liberal arts prof this bit 'o wisdom from the 'hard sciences' side of the house is probably LOST on you ... .
Whoa there.... She has charts!
LOL!
Strictly speaking, you're right about causation. Nevertheless, when one smells shit, sees shit, has shit slung in their general direction, one can presume there is some shit slinging occurring. (A shit storm)
Upon seeing another with a handful of shit,... delivering unto him, a punch to the face, or a nice pile driver to the face, is not entirely out of line.
For fun, spot the mash up of popular culture references.
he doesn't say what department he works in but simple regression analysis could tie all these events together in a mathematical model that would definitely show probable causation and may even project the future result of the events.
You might be treading on thin ice. And combined with glocal warming...
Toss into your lectures how Oxford U. Press, acting as agents for Rabbis, brain washed and took over "Protestantism" with the early 20th C publishing of convicted criminal previously unpublished Yankee Scofield (Scofield Reference Bible) and I might give you an up vote.
Scofield is first ever Bible with liner notes in which they convince stupid gullible goyim (bastard animal-human mongrels) that God promised Abraham LAND (Israel) rather than a spiritual savior (Messiah).
If you think Rabbinicalization of all western culture is not the goal, you are wrong. From the Talmud: "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death." The Rabbis don't even deny this verse!
The above Bible is still published today with well over 1000 Oxford edits after Scofield's death, yet they still credit Scofield as if he was the author of all the notes and edits.
Scofield was a convicted fraud who abandoned his wife and children in the USA. Pre Scofield it was specific Oxford policy to:
Oxford broke the above rules to publish Scofield. Why?
The last "church" I visited, the "pastor" (word not found in the NT, I'll take your $1000 bet on this) told us to shake hands and send off a man present wearing camoflauge going off to kill people for God and country. Every single bulletin in this shite hole states in print: "I will bless those who bless thee..." which these Satan lovers translate as:
If you do not support Israel you go straight to hell and don't pass go and don not collect $200.
What astounding insight. Why, I'd bet you could expand your bet to say that not even one English or French word can be found in the NT. Talk about expounding on the obvious. Middle English pastour, from Anglo-French, from Latin pastor herdsman, from pascere to feed — more at food First Known Use: 14th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pastor
All riffing on the theme of shepherd - the caretaker and leader of the flock. A theme dominant in the Bible. Forget words; think concepts. Concepts exist in more than one language. If the Bible were a book about words rather than about concepts we would be screwed, since none of the original words are known to exist anymore. But the concepts still exist. In many languages.
Bet on or off?
Simple rule to collect your winnings: List chapter and vs. All else is BS. I agree with your understanding. There is no word/concept in the NT consistent with modern intrepetation/usage of "pastor."
Another liar or stupid person like you (a pastor in fact) fed me the same lie that the NT word "shephard" translates to "pastor." One problem with your lie. I looked at every single NT occurence of the word shephard and none correctly translate to the modern word "pastor." The one shephard of the flock is Christ, not a putrid human parasite/maggot like you or any mortal "pastor."
I don't care if you define it as concept or word. There is no concept for a modern "pastor."
Keep following your pastor who leads you to hell in a hand basket.
One phrase/concept that occurs 58x in the NT is that believers are to minister "one to another." Pastors disbelieve this concept because they disbelieve they themselves require edification, submitting, and exhorting. No pastor will teach on the 58 "one to another" occurences in the NT.
"Sermon" is another word-concept unknown in the NT. Sermon is "oratory" invented by Greek pagans in the 2nd CAD. Greeks would practice their oratory skills after dinner. Yet this pagan word-concept is foundation of Western churchianity.
Are you a pastor offended by these Scriptural truths?
Did you vote for Obowelmovement or Turd Romney. If so, you are of no value to society
Did not vote for either.