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19% Of Germans Say They Would Vote For Anti-Euro Party

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In what may come as a shock to an otherwise quiet Germany, which has hardly seen any of the vocal (and actionable) "Euroskepticism" prevalent among its smaller peripheral neighbors, Handeslbslatt reports that a whopping 19% of Germans have said they would vote the anti-euro party Alternative for Germany (AFD). This means Bernd Lucke's party, which appeared as if out of nowhere, has succeeded in taking Germany by storm, and is likely that his success and prominence will merely convert even more people on the fence about Europe's future to those demanding a Deutsche Mark return. And while the AFD has yet to pose a direct threat to Merkel's ruling CDU coalition which has 36.7% of the vote five months ahead of elections, recall that everyone ignored Beppe Grillo as a mere sideshow weeks before his blistering performance to nearly win the Italian election in February.

All that would take for another surge in the Euroskeptic's popularity is another summer of economic discontent and contraction: precisely the kind that is shaping up for Europe for the fifth year in a row.

From Handelsblatt, Google translated:

The new anti-euro party alternative for Germany (AFD) has a good chance to collect in autumn in the Bundestag. The result of a representative survey of online market research company market research on behalf of Handelsblatt Online. 19.2 percent of the 1,003 respondents affirmed therefore the question of whether they would give the party their vote in the general election (24.9 percent of men and 14.8 percent of women).

Their greatest potential voters, the party in the 31 - to 45-year-olds. 19.3 percent of this age group would give their vote for the AFD (in the 18 - to 30-year-olds: 14.2 percent, at the 46 - 65 year olds: 23.1 percent).

54.6 percent of respondents (56.7 percent of men, 53 percent of women) would not choose the AFD on the other hand, 26 percent of respondents stated that they have not made a choice decision (18.4 percent of men, 32.2 percent of women).

In its election manifesto, the AFD calls for "orderly resolution of the euro area". Of the respondents this requirement is viewed critically. In particular, the projects that Germany gets out of the euro and return to the D-Mark, hardly find supporters. 37 percent of respondents want to return to the Deutsche Mark (35.9 percent of men, 38 percent of women). In contrast, 63 percent of respondents are in favor, stick to the euro (64.1 percent of men, 62 percent of women).

On the Handelsblatt prediction markets , the other parties to which the "alternative for Germany" were heard on Sunday at 25 percent - the beginning of the year there were just over three percent, the strongest party was the CDU with 30.5 percent. Together with the FDP (6.2 percent) they would to 36.7 percent. SPD (20 per cent) and the Greens (10.4 per cent) are significantly behind with a total of 30.4 percent. The Left Party would have to fear about 5 percent for a place in the Bundestag.

The prediction markets shows recent changes in opinion very quickly, because there will be traded continuously. On the platform, participants can trade the parties in the general election as a virtual shares. Behind this is the following idea: in the share price, the different personal expectations of participants about the performance of the parties incorporated. At the end of the game is a payoff equal to the result of the parties in the general election.

According to a survey by the polling institute YouGov on behalf of "time-line", the AFD has its greatest potential voters in previous FDP and the Left Party voters. 35 percent of those who voted for the Left in the 2009 parliamentary elections can imagine, therefore, to vote in the fall for the AFD. Under the FDP voters, there are 33 percent of Union and SPD voters 18 per cent, with the Greens voters 16 percent.

Total imagined even 27 percent of the Germans to choose the new party, according to the YouGov survey. But only three percent would give the AFD with certainty their voice when on Sunday would be parliamentary elections. When Allen Bach is, although almost a fifth of the population could imagine to support the party again, the AFD achieved in the concrete choice intentions so far only one to two percent.

 

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Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:22 | 3482999 i-dog
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This should see the 'Divide and Rule' party get in [again].

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:22 | 3483005 SoundMoney45
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Greece got Euroed

Spain got Euroed

Portugal got Euroed

Italy got Euroed

Next, Germany and the Netherlands get Euroed.  Sad to watch.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:28 | 3483020 GetZeeGold
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32% percent more.....and the Germans are free again.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:37 | 3483045 Azannoth
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Germans would not know what to do with their freedom even if they finally got it. Germans are sad people, confused people and emotionally distraught people, after 6 decades of brain washing and Americanisation they don't even know who they are anymore. It's like giving freedom to somebody who was born a slave, raised a slave and lived his whole life a slave and now at his 65th birthday u "give him freedom"

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:44 | 3483053 GetZeeGold
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Germans would not know what to do with their freedom even if they finally got it.

 

I don't really care what they do....as long as they don't round up others and gas them and burn them.

 

Maybe they could have an independence picnic with the money they saved from sending it to Greece....not that I'm looking to dictate to them like the rest of Europe is.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:45 | 3483054 Herodotus
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Germany should restore the Kaiser to the throne.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:01 | 3483103 falak pema
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I prefer Marlene Dietrich and blue angel/Lilli Marleen; she would be a change from mutti angelaaaa! 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:25 | 3483167 Ratscam
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there is already a guy that is trying to do that
www.neudeutschland.org

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:29 | 3483154 Ratscam
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Germany is an occupied country. 50k US military are stationed there.
Germany does not have a signed peace treaty with the allied forces, hence no constitution only the Grundgesetz.
Wow, now that's news. Most say who cares, whos next on american idol?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:32 | 3483200 Ghordius
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note the 1990 Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany "In the treaty the Four Powers (US, Soviet Union, UK & France) renounced all rights they held in Germany, allowing a united Germany to become fully sovereign the following year"

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:53 | 3483251 Ratscam
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Even Wikipedia admits, unfortunately only the German version, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwei-plus-Vier-Vertrag

see reference #21. There is NO signed peace treaty only empty, similar sounding contracts, excplicitly not mentioning the word peace.

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:59 | 3483261 Ghordius
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the German version admits too that peace is not contingent on a treaty - we have de facto wars without declarations and de facto peaces without peace treaties. your differentiation is only important on two things: the building of a Casus Belli and the request for war reparations (from others than the Four)

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:46 | 3483397 Ratscam
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well if a peace treaty were signed:

it would declare Germany a sovereign country as opposed to being occupied

it would open the doors for a German Constitution and not the present "Grundgesetz" basic law.

US troops could be ordered to leave the country, not possible today.

Germany could press legal charges on some of the allied forces for their war crimes, bombing of cities Leipzig, Dresden, ..

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:20 | 3483348 Ratscam
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This is better information than the shallow Wiki stuff.

Even finance minister Wilhelm Schäuble said publicly: "Germany has never been sovereign since 1945"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyApjTai5qk

Google translate following links to read the scam.

http://www.politaia.org/politik/deutschland/warum-haben-wir-noch-keinen-...

http://www.der-runde-tisch-berlin.info/firmabrdgmbh.htm

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:57 | 3486166 lolmao500
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If Germany had freedom, they would invade half of Europe.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:31 | 3483031 draug
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Expect the Nazi comparison campaigns from the other parties' propaganda machines to begin soon. Godwin's law is especially potent in German politics, and the politically correct attitude is to be scared to the point of paranoia of anything that can be interpreted as isolationist or antagonistic towards European "cooperation".

Personally I think the best thing Germany can do at this point is to leave the Euro ASAP.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:50 | 3483065 Urban Redneck
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Perhaps they resurrect Freud to counsel them that sometimes a slur is just a slur, particularly in the mouth of politician...

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:53 | 3483079 Ghordius
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did you read the article at all? "63 percent of respondents are in favor, stick to the euro (64.1 percent of men, 62 percent of women)"

how often do people agree that much on any debatable issue?

yes, German's propensity to build a political consensus is strange for many, but the whole north of Europe has this kind of politics (albeit without this recourse to nazi-name calling, I have to admit)

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:29 | 3483188 tango
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I have zero hope that Germany will react against the Euro.  After all, if majorities in Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Spain and Italy are almost desperate to stay in the EU what does that say?  Yes, 19% may want to leave but that's 81% on the other side.  The Euro Federation is like the Holy Roman Empire - unworkable but staying around. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:35 | 3483210 Ghordius
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funny you mention the Holy Roman Empire as "unworkable but staying around". though it did stay around from the year 800 to 1806

do you have some special bone to contend with the HRE? Anyway, the two Euro "things" are both confederations, not federations

a small and subtle difference, imho and that of many others

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:43 | 3484196 tango
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The Egyptians and Aztecs stayed around for a long time and to what end?  The HRE was more an idea than a political entity.  Its citizens were loyal to the local group - not the empire. It was used to assert divine blessing for its rulers on increasingly smaller subdivided areas.  The outstanding aspect of the HRE was the constant war among the various groups - continual, never ceasing slaughter.  

And yes it was a CONfederation, professor.  LOL

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:14 | 3483142 Freddie
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Hopefully this party will get more than 19% of the vote.  At least they appear to have real elections unlike the USA.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:49 | 3483063 Ghordius
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"got Euroed"? interesting way it sounds, but you fail to explain what this exactly means...

you forget that a lot of the anti-euro propaganda is based on the "pointless austerity drive" of the eurozone, and it's headed by... Prof. Dr. Krugman and all those who get rabid whenever you whisper in their ears the words "balanced budgets"

meanwhile the British Chancellor is already pumping up the volume regarding Scotland's independence vote, suggesting that an hypothetical independent Scotland might be "forced" to have their own currency or... gasp! ... join the eurozone

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:02 | 3483106 Lebensphilosoph
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What do you call a nation of people handing over its sovereignty to a bunch of sycophantic ugly old castrated international socialist geezers in Brussels? Euroed sounds like a euphemism to me.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:12 | 3483129 Ghordius
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you still did not define it, did you? I'm bored by this "handing over it's sovereingnty" blather. Sovereignty? It begins with having your own government, goes over to have your own armed forces, and continues with having your own tax gathering system

Then it goes on with having own treaties with other sovereigns, all according to what is the consensus among them (aka "international law")

I know some will bristle, but you sound like someone that disputes a man might not be a freemen as soon as he engages in marriage, to me

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:19 | 3483149 falak pema
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I think in relation to the Euro meme : the question is can a man have a euro compatible wife and a nationally  egotistical fiscal mistress as well! 

Freedom is greater with both but so is risk of breakup! 

Ymca, ymca ! Youngman be a freeman and hang around with the tuff guys like the Cyprus brigade from ruski land. 

Wowieee. I wish I had stuck to my staid euro wifie! 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:26 | 3483168 Ghordius
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our British friend and cousin Lebensphilosoph also forgets that the question above is about the eurozone, which headquarters in Frankfurt, not in Brussels. according to his logic, any country using gold as money would relinquish it's sovereignty, because gold is not "issued nationally"

about the nationally egotistical fiscal mistress: no european country tries to collect only a little taxes (ok, Greece is different, but there it's a problem of effectiveness

ergo there is plenty of tax euros for all what is needed even if the country balances it's budget

the painful part is to adjust, economize and spend smart - and hey hey hey, this would happen in an even stronger way if this country would adopt gold as state money

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:37 | 3483208 falak pema
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We hear a lot of noise today that after mutti gets reelected the EZ could move to Eurobonding/banking union to ensure the banks/club med states don't fall apart especially in Italy/Spain. This seems to be what Soros was hinting at.

As you know I have always felt the EZ experiment and common money would need to see more economc and fiscal consolidation for it to work. France missed the boat in 1999-2002 when Schroeder suggested it to Chirac at Nice 1999, and look what it has done to french economic productivity. They all admit that what he did for Germany; although it cost him the next election, was what France should have done in 1999; instead of going to 35 h weeks! 

The whole gold standard debate today is not about gold its about moving away from USD fiat hegemony now gone viral in QE-infinity; IMO.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:39 | 3483223 Ghordius
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you might come from a country willing to share fiscal sovereignty, but the majorities of the others don't, particularly the northern ones

meanwhile you know that the loudest voices for eurobonds come from the City, in the same way as a banker is always interested in having the other partner of a marriage to show solidarity... versus the creditor

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:27 | 3483186 Freddie
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The USA will be far worse if the Obama-Rubio amnesty passes.   At least a few countries like Italy and GErmany have real elections.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:35 | 3483209 tango
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Freddy, You're talking about nations with an incredibly bad democratic voting.  Not only did Germany divide its votes between Nazis and Communists she has lived under kings, prices, emperors and kaisers. I suppose if you an idiot would say she is "occupied" today by the few thousand US troops over there sightseeing the countryside.   

Italy is even worse.  The last government was not elected, there is a history of instability and like Germany, has been ruled by kings, popes, princes, emperors and dukes.   I wouldn't put too much stock in nations with that historical precedent. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:45 | 3483238 Ghordius
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"Italy is even worse. The last government was not elected" - the last government was - as per Italian Constitution - appointed by the President and confirmed by a majority in both elected Houses. The system is called "multiparty" and is quite common, worldwide

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:44 | 3484205 tango
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Sorry, the last prime minister was not elected.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:39 | 3484857 Ghordius
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no one of them has to be elected because it's the parliament's job to appoint and back a government - or take this back and make a different one

it's their constitution, and the concept is called parliamentarism

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:49 | 3483070 new game
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ever been dollared?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:55 | 3483085 Ghordius
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the term is dollarized, the wiki article is under dollarization

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:01 | 3483099 agent default
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No he is right.  "Dollared" caries an entirely different shafting quality.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:11 | 3483136 falak pema
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only brought to you by Nike! Or was it Callaway? 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 11:40 | 3483920 rotagen
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So... 80% of germans are genetically unfit morons who can't see one inch in front of their nose?  Should have thinned the herd a long time ago.

 

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:22 | 3483001 BadKiTTy
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Great news!

IF it happens the Germans can then wake up to a D Mark that goes through the roof making their exports expensive in the world economy and so collapsing their own.

That's when they will really pay for the Euro (not this pseudo paying that is currently in vogue).

k@

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:26 | 3483170 joao
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Exactly. I wish all the best and every success to this new party!!!! just get on with it...how can I help?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:23 | 3483008 espirit
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I'm sure at least 19% of Americans would be anti-dollah, like that would ever be polled.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:25 | 3483366 Alpha Monkey
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Why would they be?  It's all they've ever known.  i doubt you could find 5% anti-dollar US citizens.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:26 | 3483019 de3de8
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It's a slow moving train.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:30 | 3483025 GetZeeGold
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The never ending root canal.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:31 | 3483021 agent default
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In the past financial collapses have brought down the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union and other many other supernational entities that were infinitely more credible and serious than the clusterfuck the EU is.  The writing is on the wall for the Eurocrats and their pet "European Project".  And good riddance.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:41 | 3483047 StychoKiller
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But, but..."political capital" man!  Euroz, remember?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:58 | 3483088 agent default
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That's alright.  The "former" Marxists and Maoists in charge of the EU never realy liked capital.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:42 | 3483231 tango
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You hit the nail on the head.   We have the spectacle of people who worship central planning and all its offshoots portrayed as working in a market-oriented system.  This is absurd since their many export tool is debt.   Most Europeans consider capitalism - particularly the (former) American brand of basement startups, successes and failures as "uncouth".  When it gets down to it, Europe is still in love with the guild system that protected its members, froze progress and retained the status quo. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:01 | 3483275 Ghordius
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hogwash. most europeans just note that the US "basement startups" get gobbled up by megacorps or get hyperfinanced into megacorps by Wall Street instead of growing organically in the SME landscape we have. you are just full of prejudices, I fear

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:24 | 3483360 Alpha Monkey
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I have to admit.  I love all the small business in Europe. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:10 | 3483095 Ghordius
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funny that it's often Americans who famously use the term "social capital" who are at loss with the european term "political capital"

a simple translation: committment. whatever party that wants to drag a country out of the eurozone has the burden of explaining why and what would then happen - and many balk at this resposibility

it will be interesting to see if this new German party will bring in some arguments or will just wallow in some "in the old days everything was better" paroles

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:31 | 3483034 GVB
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GAME OVER

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:37 | 3483039 news printer
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Speed cameras in maintenance, no fines  Equipment repaired but lack the funds to go and pick up

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Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:37 | 3483044 eigenvalue
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After The Third Reich Era, the Germans have become a bunch of spineless wimps and cowards. Do they dare to say No to the Euro and Brussels? No way!

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:41 | 3483050 StychoKiller
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All they need is a charismatic leader, perhaps someone like yer avatar...

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:59 | 3483097 GetZeeGold
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All they need is a charismatic leader

 

Oh I know......maybe a black marxist!

 

Oh yes.....they can!

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:59 | 3483098 Debt Slave
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I wonder why the historians always leave out the fact that Germany's economy flourished in the later 1930's while Americans were standing in breadlines and it's veterans were told to piss off by Congress.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:10 | 3483131 agent default
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Ever met  a bunch of drunk Russians with an ISU-152?  They did.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:46 | 3483059 orangegeek
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Euro is fine.  It's just going to be worth a lot less.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:00 | 3483102 GetZeeGold
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Someone is just going around and junking the obvious today.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 10:30 | 3483067 falak pema
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the new meme of : Magnificent Benign Neglect of accumulated debt.

Why The Reinhart-Rogoff Excel Debacle Could Be Devastating For The Austerity Movement - Business Insider

The sleight of hand of two IMF economists who "tarred" their analysis, making it more austerity pervasive and debt aversive, boomerangs bigtime and chimes the bell of spend and spend again to mend fiat broke back mountain's grimy past.

The great race of newfrontiersmen of Internet space-time is on, all the while we stoke the flames of greed for Oil, FIRE and dire MIC traditionalista pastures in global, CB controlled and oligarchy patrolled wastelands. 

More on the debt bonanza justification here : Herndon Responds To Reinhart Rogoff - Business Insider

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:50 | 3483074 Volaille de Bresse
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"after 6 decades of brain washing andAmericanisation they don't even know who they are anymore"

 

A good start : kicking the US troops out of the German soil. De Gaulle did this in 1966 in France. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:56 | 3483086 Sudden Debt
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But... a gold backed mark? or just another paper excuses.

Do those who want the mark back know the difference?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 07:59 | 3483093 Inthemix96
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It seems as a species we aint so different after all folks.

I am busy running a scientific experiment and have found out with absolute proof that all politicians no matter where they come from are cunts.

Yes, from diverse and far flung places right down to America and Britain.  Politicians are lying, criminal, thieving, chancers and cunts.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:02 | 3483104 mkgone
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IMHO this anti euro party is a measure of the global elite to catalize the anti euro group and prevent aggression against the other parties. Keep the people in the illusion of a democratic system - the Euro will never be given up...

Btw, I dont think germans are more spineless wimps than the US or french with their fucked up situation :D

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 08:22 | 3483157 joao
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I wish it were 100%

I would love to see the DM appreciate 30% and euro depreciate 30% giving us a 60% competitive advantage over germanys exports!

I wonder where germany would export to?

 

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 09:20 | 3483347 Alpha Monkey
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People that want quality products.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 10:43 | 3483684 W74
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I want to buy cars and machine parts manufactured in Rwanda.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 03:10 | 3486989 joao
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Not enough of them to keep german gdp or for that matter employment at these kevels.
Cut out 90% of peryphery europe "clients" and you have a problem.

Btw not all good products come from germany...myth.!

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 10:38 | 3483661 ross81
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Do these 19% not realise that by staying in the Euro their own casino bankers will always get bailed out by Greek, Irish, Portuguese, Italian, etc taxpayers when the bets go bad & the shite hits the fan. Kostas, Paddy, Pedro and Giuseppe dare not upset Fritz in case he threatens to take his credit ball home with him.

Zis vill do very nicely!

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 10:40 | 3483669 W74
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Didn't I tell you guys this would gain steam as more and more jumped on the bandwagon?  It's in the viable phase now and I hope they don't screw it up (or are framed up) between now and the elections.

Last week they were only around 5%, and that was people considering them at all.  Now it's 20% and the entire voting public will now at least consider them if they haven't already made up their minds.

How fast was Beppe Grillo's rise in Italy in just a couple weeks running up to the vote?  In Parlimentary systems politics is far more real than the two-party no-choice bullshit we have here in North America.

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