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Autopsy Of A Dead Market: The Google Flash-Crash

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Still chasing US equities up and down each day? Buying-and-holding large caps for their 'safety'? Reassured that money-on-the-sidelines will take us higher? Waiting for the Great Rotation? Perhaps the following post-mortem from Nanex on today's flash crash in the stock not of some microcap but of nearly $300 billion market cap behemoth Google, will reduce just a little of the fervor over what so many call the stock 'market' and its 'free' and 'efficient' nature.

This was no 'fat finger' as we are supposedly reassured by the media; but as BusinessWeek notes on trader's comments:

“Funny how two years ago this would have been a big issue. Now the market has almost become complacent of these errors.”

Via Nanex,

On April 22, 2013 at 9:37:11.500 (ET), Google Flash Crashed. The price dropped from $796 to $775 in about 3/4 of a second, then rebounded to $793 a second later. The drop invovled 307 trades and 57,255 shares from 10 exchanges + dark pools. During the drop, there were 5 orders placed for every trade executed (meaning 4 orders placed/canceled for every trade).

See charts of HES later the same morning which was likely from a fat finger (Google crash probably not from a fat finger) 



2. GOOG - Showing bids and asks color coded by exchange.
Plenty of quotes, but few lasting long enough.

 



3. GOOG - Showing trades color coded by exchange.
Zooming in from Chart 1.

 



4. GOOG - Showing bids color coded by exchange.
There are 5 times as many buy orders as trades. Over 1,000 orders were placed and canceled during the 3/4 second drop!

 



5. GOOG - Showing trades color coded by exchange.
This is one second of data!

 


 

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Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:56 | 3484246 StarTedStackin'
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Flash Crash......

 

 

I thougt that's what you got from mixing Mooseheads and ViCodins

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:02 | 3484288 NotApplicable
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So... looking at chart two, I see that Edge had quotes far outside of everyone else, down to the crash level. Is it safe to assume that the rogue algo was playing there?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:06 | 3484305 Divided States ...
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THis is my thinking....Because of all these flash crashes on individual stocks....it maybe worthwhile to put on limit orders for stocks that are say 5% below the current price...so if AAPL is 400 bucks, I would put a limit order to buy at 380 to take advantage of these mini crashes if it happens. However if what I do catches on, then there will be a lot of people who will be putting the type of way below limit orders which are actually REAL orders...and this maybe the intentions of the algos to sucker people to put live orders into the fuckin markets.... because right now most orders are placed by algos and any trades are just punting around from the machines with a few real orders getting hit. Dont get fooled....this thing aint going to end well.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:23 | 3484389 smlbizman
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yea...until they cancel your orders because "you" cheated....unless of course you had stops set at very low levels and get taken out, than that is ok....

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:31 | 3484445 rocker
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In all honesty, you really don't think there is a way to stop the HFT's, Goldman's, JPMorgan's, and other dirty hedge funds from doing this.

The SEC is worried that retail will not trust the market. LOL  What's the problem.

Since April 18th Google has done this.  

From: 785 to 765.  From: 796 to 761.  From: 766 to 780.  From: 766 to 803.  From: 803 to 775.  From: 775 to 798.  

The market is a Ponzi Scam at this point to garnish the banksters who control it all.  No Fed.  No Market.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:51 | 3484546 WTF_247
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They will not let you keep the gains.  I have thought of doing this myself across the board each day.  The problem is they hold regular investors to a much, much higher standard than they do these algo fools.  You and I have to actually have money in the account for each and every order placed.  Algo's do not.  hence the ability to put in 1000s of orders per second across hundreds of names. 

If you do decide to do it - DO NOT sell the position until the next day.  They have a nasty habit of cancelling out trades - if you sold it for a profit they will leave you short and likely at a sizable loss.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:35 | 3485073 Chartsky
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What you say is true . . . so why keep playing where the game is rigged?

Trade Stock Index futures and start looking at Exchanges in other parts of the world where the politicians have not allowed their Bankster masters to fix the entire market.

Just a suggestion.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:23 | 3484746 mammoth mo
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You forgot the peaking factor.

Algo's and HFT's peak (look at) orders.

They will zoom down and take your order and then go back to a different price.  A couple of years ago I had stops on stocks that I let carry over one morning.  Sure enough, the stock opened at my loss limit and then zoomed up right after it.

You can't put stops in unless you are willing to let the HFT's take them at your loss.  

The market is now a guessing game for humans.

 

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:20 | 3485018 cocoablini
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The first big flash crash WAS probably an algo gone bad. BUT, since the exchanges disallowed only the trades that occured 10% lower than the asking price at the start of the crash it was pretty evident that you could:

-Zipper out the limit order weak hands of stock 

-Snag the stock at a 10% discount

-Rerun the algos to get the stock back to the original price before the stock.

That means that within 3/4 second you can make 10% guaranteed

Where's the risk if you can spoof orders to crash a stock and respoof orders to have the computers follow you back up?

If there was a time limit on stock trades, then the banks couldn't guarantee  their trades would work-hence why the colocation of Goldman's supercomputer in the NYSE is so important. Time is divisible and some computers are faster than others. If you don't have to commit REAL CAPITAL to move a market then this crap will go on all day long. SEC can't do a thing since the markets have no liquidity. There's no BID except the fake ones. Stock market died in 2011...for good.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:23 | 3485326 StarTedStackin'
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Sorry about that post, but you'd understand if you've ever had thorasic shingles......MFers that hurts

 

 

 

 

"Roller" by April Wine, 1 Vicodin and EIGHT Mooseheads does make it better.....though

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:55 | 3484249 Perpetual Burn
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Eric from Nanex  is dishonest. When questioned about the W&R data he will go silent or block you on Twitter.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:00 | 3484273 NotApplicable
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How so?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:13 | 3484339 Perpetual Burn
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W&R gave their trade data to him, and Eric stated their aglo was passive.Eric gave that data to  Albert J. Menkveld and he found the W&R algo to be 50% aggressive, contradicting Eric's conclusionWhen asked about this he goes silent and has blocked many people on twitter for asking him

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:04 | 3484300 nanex
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I only block those who won't take the time to read what we've spent considerable time researching/writing. And you have to be pretty obnoxious about it. You think my followers want to hear someone repeatedly ask the same questions we've addressed over and over and over?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:17 | 3484359 Perpetual Burn
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Answer it then. Why did Albert J. Menkveld state the algo was 50% Aggressive, and you state is was 100% passive? 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:40 | 3486128 Golden_Rule
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Well, what do ya know.  He couldn't muster up a reply for ya.  We should ask ourselves, how many other ways does Nanex resemble Krugman?  Oh, thats right, they are one in the same.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:31 | 3484456 Cursive
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@Perpetual Burn

 

Please elaborate.  What about Waddell & Reed?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:57 | 3484251 TeamDepends
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What does Google sell again?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:58 | 3484254 RaymondKHessel
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Owen Wilson Movies?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:59 | 3484261 toys for tits
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Spyware.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:58 | 3484266 NotApplicable
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YOU!

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:00 | 3484269 Cognitive Dissonance
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Access to your most private underwear drawer.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:00 | 3484278 Winston of Oceania
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Everything about you that they can dig up...

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:07 | 3484648 syntaxterror
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No idea. But I have Ad Blocker.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 18:02 | 3485619 Trampy
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intangibles

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:00 | 3484257 ekm
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I read that cancelling jacson hole meeting is similar to the president cancelling the state of the union address due to misscheduling.
I also read that in 25 years no chairman ever missed that meeting.

My take is that Benny is making it clear that he is irrelevant, his participation would be irrelevant since other people are making decisions and he's just carrying orders.

It will come a moment you will all understand that QE is purely and simply a POLITICAL decision taken in places above Benny's paygrade and has got little to do with finance.

Same as Cyrpus decision which was taken in places way above Draghi's paygrade, hence Draghi's disappearance during those days. Same as Benny, Draghi is providing some advise, but basically at the very end, simply carrying orders as good academic-soldiers they are.

 

It's all over, QE is dead soon. Nobody is caring any longer about any GOOGLE crash or you name it. Everybody is bored, economy is dead, oil has been in hyperinflation plateau since 2004 with a short relieve in 2008.

QE is dead. Prepare for it.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:00 | 3484275 Cognitive Dissonance
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Benny is just making way for the new and improved Ink Jets.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:04 | 3484286 ekm
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He'll crash it (on Obama and Boehner's orders) to make way for the new gal/guy to reflate it.

 

Obama and Boehner are buddy-buddy in case you haven't noticed. 90% of the their conversations are about golfing.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:04 | 3484297 NotApplicable
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With the remaining 10% about boys.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:12 | 3484337 Cognitive Dissonance
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My first laugh-out-loud of the day.

Thanks! :)

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:12 | 3484340 ekm
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LOL

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:16 | 3484348 Dr. Engali
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I think you're wrong as, he has his whole legacy on QE and the "wealth effect". If he crashes it ,it will happen after they give him some sort of cover.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:32 | 3484454 ekm
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Fine. We're all trying to figure it out.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:55 | 3484562 oddjob
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Grow a pair and just once use I instead of we.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:54 | 3484568 ekm
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I am trying to figure this out

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:00 | 3484606 oddjob
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I am trying to figure how your response was clocked before my post.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:21 | 3484742 ekm
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WOW, strange

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:22 | 3485028 recidivist
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same way Whitey Bulger won the lottery by entering just 'before' the drawing...

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 20:02 | 3486018 Non Passaran
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Comment IDs are properly ordered.
Web server times may have been be different , no big deal.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:39 | 3485387 silverserfer
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yeah they got those new QE-3D printers. Steven Speilberg type shit  

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:04 | 3484289 bdc63
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but, but, but ... if The Bernak doesn't go to Jackson Hole, who the heck is Steve Liesman going to go fishing with?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:26 | 3484410 smlbizman
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im sure liesman will have some other worm in his mouth....

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:06 | 3485250 imbrbing
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"I read that cancelling jacson hole meeting is similar to the president cancelling the state of the union address due to misscheduling."

Is there ever going to be another meeting? What exactly is on his "schedule" that is that important to miss this meeting?

Is this the time they are going to "bunker up" finally? They already proved to themselves they can lock cities down at the

drop of a hat, would they not now feel comfortable "pushing the button"?

 


Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:57 | 3484258 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's not the fall that will kill you, but the sudden stop (of liquidity).

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:58 | 3484264 Reformed Sheep
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Algorithmz, bitchez!

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:58 | 3484267 Political_Savage
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This nano-second shit is always over my head

I get it, don't trust the machines.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:24 | 3484765 aerojet
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Well, it's all tied up in the basic idea that time is infinitely divisible. 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 22:39 | 3486465 StychoKiller
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Neigh, anything less than 5.39106(32) × 10-44 s (Planck time), is meaningless.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 12:59 | 3484274 falak pema
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this ain't a market this is the private home of the elite; no place for the common man.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:03 | 3484287 Never One Roach
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Better wake the PPT up...they partied too much this weekend.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:06 | 3484302 realtick
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false flash event

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:07 | 3484310 FieldingMellish
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Why are HFT's good again? Oh yeah.. "liquidity". The system is broken and breaking it further won't make it better.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:11 | 3484324 fats
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gCoins bitchez!

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:10 | 3484327 orangegeek
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This move is so obviously made on the fundamentals of the company.....oh wait, I mean a roulette wheel.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:12 | 3484330 rsnoble
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Prop up at all costs until we have all the guns, black powder and pressure cookers then fuck everyone to death.  Don't fucking doubt it for a minute.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:12 | 3484332 razorthin
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Ahrr.  Just a seedy MM adding to his inventory to continue the fleecing.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:15 | 3484352 MrBoompi
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I suppose somebody could have bought at the low, then immediately sold after the price rebounded, for a cool $1.2 million pocketed in a few seconds.  Or conversely, shorted the stock, got some partners to help dump the price, then covered before the price went back up.  But I realize things like that just don't happen on Wall St.  That would be cheating right?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:21 | 3484387 FieldingMellish
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In the new normal, its not cheating if its profitable.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:32 | 3484806 Diogenes
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It's only cheating if you get caught and  the cops have wooden legs, the detectives are blind and the bulldogs have rubber teeth.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:18 | 3484366 mdtrader
Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:20 | 3484383 ThisIsBob
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No human beings were harmed in the making of this move.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:29 | 3485050 NoWayJose
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Unless you had a stop loss order in place...

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:23 | 3484400 Racer
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Over 1,000 orders were placed and canceled during the 3/4 second drop!

They should make cancelling of all those orders illegal if they werne't intending on actually trading them..

Oh wait, it is illegal.....

so why is it still happening?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 13:48 | 3484538 W74
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Because those regulating the system have no idea how it actually works and the people who DO know how it actually works are actually working it and have no intention of 'fixing' the way business as usual is done.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:06 | 3484650 Gromit
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If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:07 | 3484653 The Invisible Foot
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My personal favorite HFT strategy is the "whack-a-mole". Were algos get other algos to buy high and sell low.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:12 | 3484697 fallst
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Yes, Perfect, These Thugs are tripping off everybody's Stop Losses, then buying back at bottom...If Everybody puts a limit order to buy at some number 10-20% below current prices, it could defeat these HFT CS'ers.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:18 | 3484730 aerojet
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Then they will spot that trick and find a way to fuck the limit buyers, too.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:44 | 3485408 auric1234
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Can't do. Stops are inherently broken, which is what they're exploiting. This doesn't apply to limit orders.

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:18 | 3484721 aerojet
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Did it shake out the stop orders?  That's the real question.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:24 | 3484752 Godisanhftbot
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 Well, if you had a stop , and it didn't execute , and the stock kept dropping, you'd bitch and moan to the broker.

 

 So , I'd assume all stops triggered.

 

Since I'm not dumb enough to place hard stops, I couldn't tell you first hand

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:36 | 3484834 mammoth mo
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So once upon a time a city was losing thousands of dollars in equipment on a daily basis.

They decided to stake out the city works department to investigate.  Everyday they would check each and every truck that went out of the yard for contraband.  Everyday nothing.

After about a month it became clear what they were stealing.

Trucks.

The vehicle in this case the trades that are done are the theft.  The fact that the trades can ride out of the yard with value and never return is the problem. 

If you have a license to trade at a HFT level you have a license to steal period.

If you have a license to trade through a broker or over the internet or by phone you are the patsy period.

 

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 14:47 | 3484883 sitenine
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Chaos is the new normal.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 15:51 | 3485149 Aurora Ex Machina
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Eric Schmidt has been in the limelight recently with an old interview with wikileaks just published. While Assange does himself little favors in it (the ending... ugh), the contents are interesting, especially regarding BitCoin and URLs. You could look into the various start-ups over shortening names (I seem to remember Yahoo! just paying $30mil for one such contender) then look back over the interview.

 

 

I suspect someone somewhere was sending a message.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:18 | 3485312 kchrisc
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"It's black swan season, and I'm hunting black swans, so be vewy, vewy quiet"

                                                                       Elmer Fudd rebooted for the 21st. century.    hujel

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 16:34 | 3485365 CHX
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Matrix has cracks ?

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 22:36 | 3486455 EclecticParrot
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I've suggested this before and each new set of Nanex pictures proves it:  Paul Klee wasn't a painter, he was a colorful, beautifully aggressive algo, the first of his kind, coming decades before the computer age.  

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