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Guest Post: Boston Marathon Attacks, Chechnya And Oil - The Hidden U.S. Connection
Submitted by John Daly of OilPrice.com,
As Boston and U.S. security agencies congratulate themselves over the apparent neutralization of a pair of Chechens that bombed the Boston Marathon, troubling questions are beginning to arise.
First and foremost is, why a pair of Chechens, born in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan, apparently committed the attack?
For possible answers, one must looks beyond the present and delve into Russia’s and the USSR’s past policies towards Chechnya, and since 1991, U.S. policy in the Caucasus, which since the 1991 implosion of the USSR had a single focus – the exploitation of the Caspian’s massive energy reserves.
It is a history that makes for deeply uncomfortable reading, but one that may eventually provide some answers to seemingly intractable questions.
After Iran transferred Chechnya to the Russian empire under the Treaty of Gulistan following the 1804-1813 Russo-Persian War, Russian troops entered the region to assert control, resulting in a long-drawn out and bitter campaign marked by numerous atrocities until Imam Shamil surrendered to the Russians in 1859, causing many Chechen Muslims to emigrate to the Ottoman Empire. Following the 1917 Russian revolution, Chechnya suffered the travails of the rest of the Soviet population until 23 February 1944, when Stalin ordered Chechnya’s population deported en masse to Soviet Central Asia on suspicions of them being traitors and working with Nazi forces. In eight days, the People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD), predecessor to the Committee for State Security (KGB), forcefully deported 350,000 to 400,000 Chechens and 91,250 Ingush from the Caucasus, mainly to Central Asia, primarily Kazakhstan, but others as far as Kyrgyzstan and Eastern Siberia.
Soviet officials assessed that during 1944 to 1948, between 14.6% and 23.7% of the exiled population perished.
And many Chechens were swallowed up by the NVKD’s Gulag archipelago, but even there, their toughness and militancy set them apart. As Russian Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn noted his is three-volume study, The GuLAG Archipelago, "There was one nation which would not give in, would not acquire the mental habits of submission - and not just individual rebels among them, but the whole nation to a man. These were the Chechens... They had been treacherously snatched from their home, and from that day they believed in nothing... The years went by - and they owned just as little as they had to begin with. The Chechens never sought to please, to ingratiate themselves with the bosses; their attitude was always haughty and indeed openly hostile.”
Fast forward to the 1991 dissolution of the breakup of the USSR.
Chechens subsequently fought two wars against Russian forces, the first from 1994 to 1996, and the second from October 1999 until early 2009, with both conflicts marked by violence and atrocities committed on both sides.
In 2007 Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed Ramzan Kadyrov Chechnya’s new president. Two years later the American organization Freedom House included Chechnya in the "Worst of the Worst" list of most repressive societies in the world, together with Burma, North Korea and China's Tibet.
But the question remains why, when the USSR was fragmenting, was Moscow so determined to retain Chechnya?
In a word – oil, for both its indigenous reserves and as the sole transit point for Azerbaijan’s rising exports, which Western companies were eagerly seeking to export to Western markets rather than via Russia.
Few today remember that Putin’s first job when appointed Prime Minister on 9 August 1999 by Russian President Boris Yeltsin was to build an oil pipeline bypassing Chechyna, as Transneft, Russia’s pipeline monopoly, controlled the Baku-Novorossiisk line, the sole export route for Azerbaijani “early” oil exports, which crossed 95 miles of Chechen territory, a region which had been at war with the Kremlin since 1994. Following Putin’s appointment Yeltsin held a council of war over Dagestan and Putin made a rash promise that he could end a crisis caused by the incursion of 2,000 rebels from Chechnya into Dagestan in “a week and a half or two weeks.”
Work began on the bypass line on 26 October 1999. The conflict combined with other issues reduced Azeri exports via Baku-Novorossiisk in early 2000 to an average of only 10,000 barrels per day (bpd.) In April 2000 construction finished on the $140 million, 204-mile Baku-Novorossiisk bypass via Dagestan to Tikhoretsk. The bypass had a potential capacity of 120,000 bpd, but by then Azerbaijan already had other plans, having worked with neighboring Georgia to develop an alternative pipeline route to Georgia’s Black Sea port of Supsa, completely outside of Russian control. When Yeltsin resigned on 31 December 1999 Putin became acting President and has continued to lead the Russian state ever since, eiher as Prime Minister or President.
For Putin, quite aside from issues of pride, An independent Chechnya could not only lead to a loss of revenue from the republic’s modest oil production (of such quality that Chechen oil was used to light lamps in the Vatican) and ruin plans to extract transit fees for Azeri “early oil,” but lead to a significant potential loss of Caspian reserves once the sea’s waters and seabed were divided, if Chechnya aligned itself with neighboring Dagestan.
U.S. penetration of Azerbaijan’s and Kazakhstan’s energy sectors continued apace during the conflict. As reported by EC-TACIS, for the period 1994-1999 the main sources of foreign direct investment in Azerbaijan were the United States with 28 percent, followed by Britain with 15 percent. FDI in Azerbaijan exploded from only $30 million in 1994 to $827 million in 1999, about 17 percent of Azerbaijan's GDP, with approximately 90 percent of FDI concentrated in the country's hydrocarbons sector, while Kazakhstan FDI accounted for $1.6 billion in the same period, but which now exceeds $160 billion of foreign FDI. Russia was clearly losing the battle to develop Caspian energy, and an independent Chechen-Dagestani state would make Moscow's position untenable and hence had to be stopped at any cost. U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney observed the year before Putin’s appointment, “I can't think of a time when we've had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian.”
In 2005 the western consortium attempting to cut Russia out of the Caspian energy loop achieved its goal. The $3.6 billion, one million barrel per day, 1,092-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, which ships Azeri Caspian oil to Turkey’s Mediterranean Ceyhan port, began operations in May 2005, transiting high-quality crude from Azerbaijan's offshore Azeri-Chirag-Guneshli fields to Turkey's deep-water Mediterranean terminus at Ceyhan.
Accordingly, the Chechen conflict dovetailed perfectly not only into Washington’s plans, to bog down the Russian military in a long, drawn-out conflict in the Caucasus, but provide Western energy companies with an alternative route as Chechnya was slowly ground down by the Russian military.
Oil that would have otherwise moved northwards to Russia, providing lucrative transit fees.
Chechnya proved ground zero for both Western political and business interests.
All of the above history, virtually unknown in the U.S., is deeply known to every Chechen. The shadow war between Moscow and Washington for the Caspian’s energy riches saw Chechnya squarely caught in the middle, leaving the Chechen homeland virtually destroyed, something to remember when reading the increasingly contradictory news reports coming out of Washington about the blood shed in Boston by the Tsarnaev brothers, as the U.S. is hardly blameless about the carnage visited on their ancestral homeland.
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All the bombing proved was how quickly and easily the US can move to a police state.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/04/boston-proved-were-one-act-from-po...
Wow, I really didn't expect something like this from ZH.
This 'Chechen Connection' logic can also explain the multiple bombings around the US by the victims of the Vietnam war, the Japanese who were nuked and the Germans who were mercilessly bombed in Dresden. Oh wait, the Germans, Japanese and Vietnamese NEVER committed acts of terrorism in the US. I wonder why? Could it possibly be that these Chechen nutcases are simply religious fanatic psychopath fucktards who wanted to kill people because someone wanted them to, or because they decided that they wanted to kill Americans for reasons not even remotely connected to them? Hmm...
I guess we'll find out in the months/years to come. But wow, this is a stretch I haven't seen in a while.
Bah... they must have gold besides oil or nobody'd pay any attention.
Yes Knuks. They do. And uranium too!
"The Caucasus Mountains contain Europe's tallest mountain, Mt. Elbrus (18,510 ft.) and the region is rich with minerals ranging from gold to uranium and also has rich deposits of coal, oil and natural gas."
http://prezi.com/gz6d9wtkr3wm/chechnya-and-the-caucasus-mountains/
*edit*
thought this was another post about gold
OMG.. the virus at Larkhill and Ste. Mary’s was instigated by evil government blokes.
"the US is hardly blameless about the carnage visited on the Tsarnaev's ancestral homeland"
But wait, there's more!
"After Iran transferred Chechnya to the Russian empire under the Treaty of Gulistan"
So how long will it take them to cast the blame on Iran?
boston pd calls suspects actors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4khUbXc5oGs
ac·tor[ak-ter] noun
1.
a person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc. 2.
a person who does something; participant. You're welcome, sincerely Some Dutch ZH-er
mayor bloomberg says constitution will have to change: http://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomberg-says-post-boston-interpretation-...
We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms.
Those people are just going to have to get in line behind me!
Supreme Commander Bloomberg.
krugman...knock it off
thought this was another post about gold
deed it is dude...
nuthin happens in a vaccum anymore. This is the very first piece o work by JD and OilPrice here that makes any sense. l am shocked....in a good way.
Yes the Chechens are longstanding victims of geo-political gambits...by the usual parties. And yes, they never lost their ornry and truculent sense of self identity. Even in the midst of the bolshie talmudist terror of the USSR.
But no...it's not ultimately about oil. Or religion.
It's always been about peeple(s) who believe in something more than just the material. vs. the satanic materialist moloch-worshippers of the khazarian kind...whose frankist-sabbatean anti-religion has 'pogrommed' all of us since sabbatei levi and the rest of the kontinuum of kooks who 'hate* us for our dna' unleashed their terror apparatus pon us...via the cabbalistic conjurorers of central banking.
Gold. It's shiny. It's soft. It's divisible. And being so, malleable to the will of evildoers.
But in all times, and all religions, it has always signified purity of spirit. Let us take back the debate...and make it so again. Chechens-Caucausians first...muzzies second. We all "Chechens" now...in the eyes of your talmudist overlords.
*and envy. It's always been about the envy.
Not about religion, huh? Then why so quick to blame everything on the Jews? Are there even any Jews left in Chechnya? You (and the author of this piece) also failed to mention the terrible crimes committed by Chechen rebels, such as the gassing of the opera house and the slaughter of schoolchildren.
err, "Jews?"...
the incidence of sionism with the religious jews of tradition is incidental at best...the enemy is 'sionism' and the victims of its' grasp for hegemony includes 'jews' as well as many others...
it's about power for the sionist...some of whom hide behind judaism...others islam...and of course christianity...as masks. They must be defeated in all their guises. I hope this clarification removes any confusion.
Indeed, it bears repeating:
The Zionists are in fact the most egregious anti-Semites!
This article - by a Jewish Rabbi - might explain further:
http://www.thebarrychamishwebsite.com/Newsletters2012/Deutsch_Devils2.html
Ahh....the ol Deutsch Devils demo...one of my all time faves...!
Tho Chamish himself be more than a bit suspect, a fine job in backgrounding the Frankist freaks whose sneaky beaks have poked holes into the fabric of each member of the 'peeples of the book' meme...
to our lasting cost...as our common enemy lies hidden in our midst!
It's of the utmost importance that folks understand this issue...which I am thankful to Sharonsj* for bringing up! I seem to lack the patience Dawg to do the detail work on it anymore...I look forward to seeing you lay it out in the necessary detail here when the opportune moment arises!
*sj>>>>>>??ohoh! could be one of your special friends!
Chamish is OK, though somewhat myopic, naiive, and a very late arrival to the Jesuit Konnection. There are many errors in the article I linked, but I think they arise more from lack of research than from nefarious intent.
There was an amusing interview of Chamish and Eric Jon Phelps by Rense a few years back, when Chamish said "it's the Sabbateans behind it all...who or what the fuck are the Jesuits?" - and Phelps replied with "it's the Jesuits behind it all...who or what the fuck are the Sabbateans?". They then enlightened each other on air - and I quickly went off to look at possible konnections between the two...and found them...in spades!
We're well used to each of the gatekeepers each pointing us in a different direction to muddy the waters, but Chamish and Phelps appear genuine to me. They are certainly about the only two to nail the taboo subjects of Zionists and Jesuits. None of the 'usual suspects' will go anywhere near those subjects...including Tyler hisself.
The other kritikal konnection is the unbroken historical trail from the Khazarians, through the Hittites, the Hyksos, the Phoenicians, the Berbers, the Augustinians, the founding of Islam, the Basques, the Jesuits, the Illuminati, the founding of the USA, Skull & Bones, Zionism, the intelligence services, and the parallel path to the modern EU through the Round Table, CFR, Treaty of Rome, Bilderberg and Trilaterals.
I always thought that the Vikings (and therefore the Normans and Saxons) were also linked, but only found out a few weeks ago that recent DNA studies show that the Nordics are genetically distinct from the Ashkenazis (though they share the blonde hair and warlike tendencies, they are more akin to the original plundering nomads than the politically savvy Khazarians).
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* Ariel Sharon, SJ ... whoda thunkit? LOL.
'And she's got these huuuge tracts of land!'
True dat, true dat.
Funny thing is, I can buy a suggested US govt conspiracy theory stating that the govt might have allowed these guys to commit these acts in order to further the ultimate goal of the assholes in power, which is the complete and utter decimation of the Constitution of the United States of America. I can buy that. That kinda shit has happened before.
But when all this tertiary stuff comes out, tune me the fuck out. All this noise literally falls right into the hands of the US Oligarchy, helping no one.
Anyone who calls oil tertiary needs to finish their homework
Uh-huh. That explains exactly why these two apparently had no want for money.
Now connect this to the bombing of the Boston Marathon.
Here's more weird shit, this time about the uncle, the one who seemed so eager to condemn the Tsarnaev brothers:
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-wit...
Money-laundering, the CIA, oil... Not sure if it means anything, but was any of that information reported by the mainstream media? Hell no, which means it's likely something we're not supposed to know.
The comments are more informative than the actual news stories on this site, what does that tell you
follow the $.
It's ironic that he was treated in Beth Israel Hospital. That alone could be a violation of his civil rights.
The FBI's choice of perps is very crafty from another angle. If Putin calls out the US for their false flag, guess what, the US can start talking about Putin's own Chechen false flag - when he blew up an apartment building and blamed it on Chechens. It boosted his profile and he subsequently became president.
What makes you think Putin needed to boost his profile to become president? Those election are more rigged than Chicago.
Harbanger,
Soviet, I mean Russian elections are not that rigged. Putin only got 65% of the vote. During Soviet times he would have gotten 98%.
"It's ironic that he was treated in Beth Israel Hospital."
By an israeli doctor too:
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/04/21/israeli-doctor-treating-suspected-terrorist-tsarnaev-victims-of-bombing/
Irony turns to "coincidence" when we discover that Jewish relief agencies were responsible for bringing the Tsaernev boys to the US.
C'mon. What irony? The boys were Mossad assets. Just ask Sorcha Faal...
But at least they wouldn't feed him pork. /sarc
Not only that...apparently being 'treated by' 'sreali doctors.
Shortage of surgeons in the USSA? Were these 'doctors' flown in along with the "police" who arrived from tel aviv[on flights booked prior to the tragedy!]to umm...'help with the investigations'....
I'm getting 'italics' fatigue here...is there another way to indicate a COMPLETE SUSPENSION OF BELIEF IN ANY OF THIS EVIL BULLSHIT!...
(other than using all caps...all the time?)
only slaves have civil rights
Finally a voice of reason. There are only two of us. The nutters own this fucking place. I am gonna give myself a down arrow and beat them to it.
Ever hear of blowback dimwit?
Yes, dimwit.
Let's make this easy to understand...according to wikipedia, blowback is:
Blowback is unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the civil population of the aggressor government.
Let's see, Bin Laden conducted a covert operation in the US in 2001 from Afghanistan, resulting in 'unintended consequences' suffered by the civilian population of Afghanistan by US forces. In the strictest definition of the term, that is blowback. Oh but no, my guess is that doesn't count because the US is the big evil baddie and Bin Laden's terror attack is just 'blowback' from all the evils that the US perpetrated on the Russians. Wait, how does supplying the Afghans with weapons to fight against the Russians result in blowback towards the US? That's because it doesn't. Bin Laden clearly said the terror attacks were a result of US soldiers simply being on Saudi soil during the first Gulf War.
But my guess is, you'll completely ignore that, because Bin Laden was a CIA operative who was secretly also a Mossad agent and has 6 kids who simultaneously are secret Mossad assassins and own the Freedom Tower that is being built in NYC, right?
Hah, I just made all that shit up off the top of my head, like you do!
I am not interested in quibbling with you about American policy in Afgahanistan or anywhere else (let alone what Bin Laden's motives were). However if a nation kills, maims, or otherwise attacks people, particularly innocent ones, anywhere in the world, you can expect them not to like it (to say the least) and if they can get a clear shot at you or your country they are going to take it. And it may be that this is right off the top of my head (I don't see it that way, Ron Paul said as much who I view as an excellent source) as opposed to you who, as far as I can tell, just babble on hoping others will read your half witted nonsense and having not thought it through, think that maybe, just maybe, you aren't a certified jackass.
Ron Paul was one of the few people to support Israel's bombing of the Osirak reactor in 1981. Do you hate him now?
I don't hate anybody but I do have distain for nitwits. Why would I care one way or the other what Dr. Paul thought about what the Israelis did over thirty years ago? I suppose you are suggesting that because he is an intelligent man and a libertarian that I am a fan of his. Such a supposition indicates to me that you almost certainly failed or skipped logic class. Perhaps you were busy watching reruns of the Brady Bunch?
Hey, you left out the American Indians. You'd think if anyone had a reason to be bombing the US, it would be them. Guess they never had the benefit of being inducted into the religion of peace.
The most vile action as white man could take in the 19th century was to sell an Indian a gun.
No
The most destructive was and is alcohol
Or maybe genocide
Or perhaps just taking the entire continent away from 'em
Or maybe Buffalo Bill's ... Oh never mind
I completely agree with you. I was expressing the point of view of racist assholes who saw screwing Indian people out of their lands as a good thing and the possibility of them defending themselves as evil. May Andrew Jackson and his ilk rot in hell.
Andrew Jackson was one of our greatest Presidents. He should be the model for how present day Israel should deal with its Palestinian problem.
Agree regarding Jackson. Our country used to have statemen instead of politicians. Those days are long gone, which is why we are generally in decline. A hard landing is a certain outcome. I figure, due to resource constraints, once the wars start we will see billions of lives lost. Simple interruptions in international food shipments will destroy entire countries. It is almost a certainty at this point.
Regarding native populations, they would have fared much better if they grouped together. Often different tribes were at war with each other in addition to settlers.
Regards,
Cooter
P.S. I am long small towns and mason jars full of grains. Freezer meat is a bonus. If I make it through with my metals, that is a gift from god. I will be happy if I am still free with a warm cot, three hots, and a flushing pot in my old age.
Regarding native populations, they would have fared much better if they grouped together. Often different tribes were at war with each other in addition to settlers.
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Such an interesting comment.
Problem with Indians: they were too small units. They had to coalesce along the racial lines (which they ignored) and they would have been so much better.
'Americanism' is about blobbing up.
Yay!
He used the troll phrase of the day: "Blobbing-up"!
Give that Chinese citizenism citizen a gold star!
(Now, if only we could get him to pause in his Long March of Insanitation to define the phrase "blobbing-up" for us ....)
Such an interesting comment.
Problem with Chineses: they have too small units. They have to blob-up along the rare species organ lines (whose endangered status they ignore) and so-called "dragon bones" according to traditional crackedpottery of fabled Chinese past in trying to make big their tiny Chinaman peepees.
Chinese Citizenism is about blobbing up the shwing.
Here is why America is great - There is a place for everyone. Regardless of your idiosyncranisities, malformations, tastes whether those of a derelict or beauty and perfection, mediocre, they all had their own side of the town, or street to gather on. Some have whole towns. Free to roam. Praise and worship doorknobs or men in the sky. Free to do as you please within reason.
This is why people spend their lives saying: I want to live in America. It's a fun place to live relatively speaking. Taxes were reasonable. Good people were protected in this country once. Indians everywhere fell. Within tribes, atrocities occurred on a regular basis. The infighting is what has caused more peoples, whole nations, families and businesses to fail.
But you rhetoric is unreadable. I needed to say that though.
AnAnonymous,
I blame the Spaniards: if it wasn't for their horses in North America a lot of stuff would not happened.
He certainly was a strong and intelligent man however he was the force behind the "Trail of Tears" where ten of thousands of innocent people perished due to his greed and heartlessness. Genocidal maniacs have certainly been labled "great" in our history books but in my book (even though he did get rid of the Bank of the United States) he is just one more very serious no good bastard who I pray is rotting in hell. If you read the story of Davey Crockett you will find a real hero. He defended the Cherokee and tried to get Jackson not to do his evil deed. Crockett was "rewarded" by being sent home from Congress.
Interesting you should bring the two of them up. After their differences were aired in public, Jackson offered Crockett the choice, "You can go to hell or Texas". Not that I don't have the greatest of respect for both, or that there has been another politician in the last 100 years worthy of polishing their boots.
"If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd move to Hell and rent Texas out." William T. Sherman (one-time military governor of post Civil War Texas). And they didn't like him either.
I certainly hope he got his wish.
Dude, that was Chronicles of Riddick.
geronimo was the american indian terrorist of his day.he had his own jihad going.....
“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
Guess where Geronimo's skull is? For bonus points guess who ransacked his grave and brought the skull to Yale? For extra credit guess which presidents are direct descendents of this man.
For a lifetime supply of wisdom guess which intelligence agency was built on the membership rolls of this college club?
I'd like a shrubbery but I'll have to take a Bush for $100 prankster.
The "Indians" fought their own Jihad against the colonies and later the USA for 250 years. The one big difference is the Indians were largely on their own. They had no ideological global support for their losing struggle. The Muzzies have almost 2 billion people and many big and powerful nations to support their global Jihad.
The Indians fought a war over land they had previously occupied. Chechens may perhaps have a comparably beef with Russia. Despite the violins and tugging at the heart strings in this article, it has nothing to do with the US.
Chechens bombing the US is in no way comparable to past Indian wars. the US neither occupies Chechnya nor is an ally of Russia.
The article is just a smoke screen for the real issue, which is Muslims killing non-Muslims, everywhere in the world, as well as Muslims killing Muslims when there's no one else they can lay their hands on.
fucktard is apparently the creative word of choice for the terrorist experts out there, like you.
You are a type. The lazy minded type.
I've got another paragraph about you fucks who giggle when they get to say "tin foil hat" but to hell with you.
I've got to trust that your weak mindset is a dieing breed, after the years of currency devaluation, and educational, political decimation in this country.
Fuck you Bernanke
If only bad spellers were a DYING breed...
bastard. I don't look up ONE word...
Don't let them get you down. The ABC with the check under it in the bar over the Comment box is the spellchecker. I am constantly amazed at the words in it's dictionary.
Sir:
you are a ZH poster I have come to admire & respect. When it comes to Chechnya and Dagestan .... tread carefully especially ANYBODY in the West (which includes most of Europe even). In no way is this to condone what happened in Boston or Breslan (look it up, to everyone who know so little of 'useless' history). For starters, it is totally idiotic that Team 44 granted full criminal due process so quickly' to the remaining brother. In fact, the rapditity of the decision should make every Amerikan suspicious as to what the hell is going on with Team 44.
But back to the point .... Chechnya. There is no better and authentic source to describe the mentality (and long tragedy) of Chechnya than Solzhynetsin. Please reread carefully:
And many Chechens were swallowed up by the NVKD’s Gulag archipelago, but even there, their toughness and militancy set them apart. As Russian Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn noted his is three-volume study, The GuLAG Archipelago, "There was one nation which would not give in, would not acquire the mental habits of submission - and not just individual rebels among them, but the whole nation to a man. These were the Chechens... They had been treacherously snatched from their home, and from that day they believed in nothing... The years went by - and they owned just as little as they had to begin with. The Chechens never sought to please, to ingratiate themselves with the bosses; their attitude was always haughty and indeed openly hostile.”
Now let me send the serve home: there is no such concept as 'cold blood' or 'hot blood' here. There is only NIHILISM. So do you and the West understand? This is why the idiocy of Team 44 goes beyond incompetence to criminal negligence now. To a motivated Chechnyan (and I say 'motivated' ..... to exist with sanity many here in the USA have had to make a decision ... carry on with the ancient battle or move along ... but the pull is justifiably strong to revert .....).
Personally, I consider most if not all of "Al-Qaeda' as a bunch of rich, well-off middle eastern 'nancy boys' who have gotten themselves up into a high dudgeon using Israel (I think the Balfour Declaration was not as 'noble' as presented ... that is another argument ... but I now support Israel's right to exist & protect itself ...) as a semi-faux motivational tool to hide their personal failings or whatever other distraction one can assert. Yes, there are grievances (don't you & everyone else have afew?), etc. but the whole middle eastern conflation is way overblown in all honest integrity-based debate.
Chechnya is different. The Israelis do not fully understand or discern what is going on there .... so do not expect the 'West' to get anywhere near close to understanding Chechnya & Dagestan. For biz I had to deal with Armenians and Georgians ....... they are mortal enemies of Chechnya ....... yet they sympathize with them trememdously considering the Russian boot that has been at their throats for oh so very long. ... there is an understanding somewhat of what the Chechans have to do ,,,,,, sick & cruel & heinous as it is. Again, I am NOT defending Boston or Breslan (one of the worst horrors of the last 100 years).
The point, is for you and certainly the dolts of Team 44 ...... this is not 'terrorism' or 'radical islam' ... yes there are elements of that as fundmental planks ..... but as this author tries to highlight ...... they are different. And if you do not have a healthy fear & understanding of the suicidal mentality ...... which makes Al-Qaeda as I said look like nancy boys ,..... then you are at peril ...... just like the idiots of Benghazi Team 44 seemingly are. That is not a comforting thought.
No one in the West understands the depths of Chechnyan nihihilism ....... You & the 'bright boy analysts' of the CIA or Brit/French/German intell could study for a week and still not get it....
Yet the 19 year old is "full metal jacket" now in the vaunted USA criminal justice system! Stunning! Truth is always stranger than fiction .... just like Paul Krugman winning a Nobel Prize in Economics for I believe trade flows and our President one year in office (to say f*ck you to Amerikans who voted the 'evil W into office) get a Nobel Peace Prize just before he launches massive use of drones for executions.
Let's summarize .... as this author legitimately trys to convey ...... Chechnya is different. And at least you better have a pretty healthy fear & concern that 'they' are now 'here' in the USA to do what was done in Boston.
Team 44 are complete idiots ... yet you will hear nothing about this from the NYTimes, the Washington Post, NBC or certainly not propagandist cum blogger Barry Ritholz.
Did I say Chechnya was different and that Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was correct? You and everyone else in the West better be afraid especially after the rank incompetence or foul naivete of Team 44 has been asserted.
The criminal justice system is the correct destination for a US citizen arrested for a crime on US soil.
You are not going to gain any intelligence through "enhanced interrogation" of the suspect in some sun-drenched gulag.
If you stoop to the level of the Stalin, you will create a problem far worse and far more destructive within the USA then the one Stalin created within the USSR.
Good point. Whenever I hear someone complaining about US Imperialism or evil, I have to ask the following question: If the United States has wreaked so much havoc, then why do the people from these victim countries want to come here? Let them answer that!!!
It was answered multiple times.
For the same reasons people are moving en masse to Saudi Arabia.
One contributor to this site posted one article on immigration wished destinations around the world. He expressed surprise when seeing Saudi Arabia was among the top wishes.
The answer is plain: human beings follow resources.
'American' economics is based on transfering wealth from an exterior to an interior. It comes with several strategies like suppressing local consumption so that more wealth can be transfered to the interior.
It is an 'american' world and the world is organized so that the US is the ultimate consumption sink.
If people stay in their country, they decrease their chances to consume their own resources. When moving to the US, they suddenly increase them.
That is why they are moving: to do the consumption they cant do at home.
the multiple bombings around the US by the victims of the Vietnam war, the Japanese who were nuked and the Germans who were mercilessly bombed in Dresden.
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Dont forget the negroes in the US. Oh, wait. Forget them.
Exactly. The US pursues a regional oil expansion independent of Russia, and Russia seeks an oil expansion independent of Chechnya, then Russia invades Chechnya and locks down on the population. And we're to blame for the Russian violence against Chechnya? That's whacked out.
Why aren't they attacking South Africa? Or Norway? Or Singapore? All are "infidels". Why only the US?
Humans are the worst pieces of shit in the universe. I will be glad when we blow this fvker up to the point of no return and this totally twisted and sick specie goes extinct. History proves we "cant handle it." LOOK at what we have done to this once beautiful and pristine planet.. FVKME what an attrocity.
Does a night of drinking with you end in a game of Russian roulette?
not uusually, I just cut your fvkin throat
Funny you mention that upthread. There is a quote I read somewhere, can't remember. Something about long timelines leading to zero survival rates. Perhaps you shall get your wish eventually.
I would also comment that you likely haven't ever butchered a mammal close to your own body weight, much less applied a knife to another human being.
Enjoy your stay. You will get bored soon and move on to middle school.
Regards,
Cooter
Big game hunter for 45 years.. Bull elk big enough gut pile for you? If you think for one minute I wouldnt delight in cutting your fvking head off with my Kukri you are mistaken.
watch out! we have a real badass
Lighten up Francis
Don't be feedin' the trolls there Charlie. Funny comment tho....
no i bet that trollin4sukrz puts on a monkey suit and acts out scenes from planet of the apes. damn you all to helllllllll....!
make sure you stay away from critical thinking. Dont think about the FVKING huge garbage patch in the oceans killing everything, or FVKUshima nuking us for the next eternity. Dont conside the wars of aggression for oil and some fvking rare minerals-opium-pipelines. Forget about the depleted uranium munitions killing everything-one for the next 50 mutherFVKING GENERATIONS YOU FVKIN call me a Atroll FVK YOU blind ass greedy prideful fvkin losers. DIE you fucking idiots
trollin - i just read your whole past using stewie griffins voice from family guy....!
They do make coffee in decaf too, you know.
And lay off the Red Bull/Dew cocktails.
I truely do hate people. They totaly suck..
Some more than others.
Saving my rage...for those others
nobody here cares about you
It's no longer coffee if it has been de-caffeinated.
I think we just met MDB's sister.
hear, hear
Best reporting I've seen as yet is Pepe Escobar with Asia Times online:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-220413.html
I love Pepe Escobar.........But this is what JWillie wrote on 03/29/2013 regarding our beloved ''petro-dollar''........
''The Jackass is left to wonder if the next important energy pact with the Eurasian Leader Duo (Russia & China) will involve Saudi Arabia, with a whiff of sunset for the Petro-Dollar defacto standard. Cyprus might indeed have been all about trying to save the Petro-Dollar, more than the European banks. Perhaps the Moscow Summit dictated the Cyprus timetable''
The question is were the "BAIL-INS'' in Cyprus a FU to Russia/Russian Mafia/Russian Oligarghs and a move away from the petro-dollar?.......Did the bail-ins target Russian hot money?
and is Boston blowback for the Cyprus bail-ins?
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1364601600.php
great post, ignatius
This Chechen/Boston caper reminds me of a similar case in France : the MErah Caper.
A guy who went on rampage killing three jewish kids and some army guys in Toulouse, and was then gunned down by special forces.
Subsequent investigation proved he probably belonged to an Al Qaeda cell. What is more troubling is that he was monitored by French secret service who knew he had been to Pakistan AND ISrael in the preceding years to shoot out.
According to present socialist government, the secret service under Sarko (previous government) did NOT do due diligence (Just like the FBI on Tamerlan). Worse they are rumours going around, especially fed by irate mothers of his subsequent victims, that Merah was a double agent infiltrated into Al Qaeda by french secret service who double double crossed his control agents in the local spooks cell monitoring him; by showing his true leanings in dramatic fashion.
Vidéo Enquête exclusive : Souad Merah : fière des actes de son frère - M6
That fits the Tamerlan analogy to a T, as developed by PEPE Escobar in his brilliant analysis.
Awesome blowback of cynical spook manipulation. Same dirty game all over first world!
Glad you finally found a way to blame the U.S. God forbid the scumbags be responsible for their own actions
I'm with you. I don't really care about how they were raised or where they were from. Two assholes hurt a lot of people, stop making excuses for them.
Okay conspiracy folks, time to chime in...
Well, for one what was the craft doing at the event? Why were police dogs and "drills" going on prior? Sorry Hulk and friends, you can take your flag waving bullshit and cram it.. until the FEDS are proven innocent,.. which ..is not likely in my opinion..just like they do to us.
We have apparently attracted a pile of MSM distracted commenters here. Whatever happened to the 'presumption of innocence'? I expect Rupert's minions and the puppet in the White House to refer to 'those two guys who did this'. I do not expect to see that in the comments section of ZH.
The only lit candle can attract moths for miles around.
so our actions around the world should have no consequences to the US- the US's exportation of death and destruction should never come to our shores- no?
Otto, the CINOs are like the progressive libtards: reality is suspended if the agenda is self-serving enough. They still actually believe the US has been 'spreading Democracy'.......[pause]......[explosive laughter].
Consequences, blowback, 'what-comes-around-goes-around', 'treat others as you wish to be treated' - none of that applies in the Entitlement Empire.
I agree with both of you guys. I dont however think that this conflict lead to the bombings (maybe im wrong) however all that said this was a great article, very good read and helps me understand another cultures hatred towards the us.... You see there are so many cultures that hate us and for so many reasons that i sometimes i get confused, thanks ZH for clearing this up for me =]
*...that hate us and for so many reasons***
What? I thought they hated us for our freedoms. That's what George W. Bush told us. Now you're telling there's more. God I'm confused. I hope our leader, President Obama, can explain it all. I need to be told what to believe.
Glad you finally found a way to blame the U.S. God forbid the scumbags be responsible for their own actions
Search for WTC7 on the intrawebz, then report back here with yer theories...
throw in the fact that 2 or more factions in the us gov are at war with each other. thus the various events we have had to contend with.
OK, I give up - what part am I supposed to feel terrible about?
when the US govt throws you and your family out of your home into the street we'll see who you empathize with.
I missed that part....where does it say that?
the part where the communists/statists kicked the chechens off of their land-but we have seen in Boston how much respect our govt goons have for property rights so it could never happen here.
Strictly speaking, property disputes in other parts of the world are not our government's concern.
Merc and the 5 up votes, are you trying, at all, to get what is going on?
The point being made, is not the property disputes in other parts of the world.
It's YOUR property that is too much of a concern for some in 'government'. (government in quotes because I believe in America for the record, trolls among us, and our government. I don't believe anyone who is trying to destroy the constitution has Americans' best interests in mind).
When they can march into your house, tell you and your family to hit the bricks, while they trudge through your home, guns at the ready for an all out show down...does that seem like a good trajectory?
I saw that family being made to scurry out of their home, husband and wife, each carrying a baby...storm troopers looking at them like they were the cattle.
Does that make you want to proclaim "I'm proud to be an American!"?
Do you know what last week's government action reminded me of? Government using "law" enforcement to round up the Jews in Nazi Germany.
They had the identities of the 2 brothers. They had pictures. They knew their whereabouts.
Why the fuck did they need to release the pics to the general public and then have this lockdown and door-to-door search when they knew full well where the 2 brothers had lived and rented.
NOBODY IS THAT DELIBERATELY STUPID. NOT EVEN OUR "FINEST".
So they were Chechen Al-Qaedians.
Have at least one laugh today:
Nervous News Anchor Fired After Uttering 'F*****g S**t' As First Words On Air...
video
Muslims are blowing each other up over religous differences, but somehow they all manage to get together under the big tent of Al qaeda. Al qaeda is a western consumable.
In other news, the bombings in Boston must make wannabe terrorists drool. Estimates of 500 million to 1 billion dollars in costs and lost revenue are being tossed around. Not bad, in terms of assymetric warfare.
Maybe in the New Progressive Omnibus Grand Comprehensive Immigration Legislation we'll let them open a Consulate in New York and then we can talk about stuff, peaceful like.
And then we will have "peace in our time". Even Barry believes this.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/01/22/Obama-Peace-in-Our-Time
Fuck Barry! Better have a look at "Pacem in Terris", the encyclical of John XXIII:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_xxiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_j-...
AQ is purely Sunni. They are fighting the Shia ferociously for power and control.
As far as I am concerned - good. We should do everything to keep them fighting. Syria is ground zero for the Islamic Civil War, and we need to give covert asistance to whichever side is losing.
ever heard of blow back?
You go down that road of divide n rule and you end up as corrupted as the Gogs of whichever Magog you hate most.
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/04/19/usa-the-creator-sustainer-of-chechen-terrorism/ & "exclusive us nato chechen militia joint operations base" post [2011/11/22] fantastic reads, PERIOD!!!
Sorry, the only way to link w/o subscription is togo original MR. Escobar's Post... via, http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-220413.html
goto final paragraph above 'About the Drill' click here for Sibel Edmond's post and bottom of page 'to read the entire piece`Click Here'
Reiteration Again: note__ to read entire article 'click here bottom page' ___ >>>bfd-exclusive-us-nato-chechen-militia-joint-operations-base/<<<
by Sibel Edmonds @ ?boilingfrogs?
H/T pepe escobar
thankyou Tyler
Which is why I'm sticking to my story... That these boys were "played" by our intelligence services. Note that even the Russians alerted our guys, who blew it of.
/ But we trust our Gov. / s
Certainly their killing and maiming of innocent people in Boston wil further their cause.
you mean the FBI/DHS's-right?
Whether real or staged, any incident will be used to take away more of your rights. They both win, you lose.
The motive was not political folks ... "Jihad for Morons", look no further.
Fuck me, you can't throw a high capacity magazine around here without hitting a 'Moron for Jihad' crank. If you can't beat 'em join 'em, eh?
Good article, explains a lot, well done.
But....But..... Today the AP stated the following:
"Two U.S. officials said preliminary evidence from the younger man's interrogation suggests the brothers were motivated by religious extremism but were apparently not involved with Islamic terrorist organizations."
Does this mean they don't hate us for our freedoms after all?
Kinda
They hate us for our marathons...........
they hate us for our AXE BODY WASH....
That's because they are so hirsute that it does not work well on them.
kinda like sarah silverman...?
Oh please, this is about radical Islamic jihad.
The world has a problem, and it is wacked out Islamic jihadist's bent on killing anyone that doesn't bow to Mohammed the false prophet.
Christians and Buddhists and others smile and walk away, crazy jihad nutcases want to kill you. Why? Because their belief is false, a lie, and founded on exclusivity and violence, they must kill you in order for them to believe their own lies.
Where is the peaceful faith of Islam? Where are the Imam's and Ayatollah's calling for peace?
can I get a link to their pro-Islamic jihad internet rants-or people that they have come in contact with that can back up your claims of their ravings?
Plenty out there already, Twitter, Facebook, some of it posted here on ZH.
If you prefer to belive it is some CIA plot and that Islamic jihadists are peaceful lovers of children and Women go ahead.
I don't think we should be in the Middle East, I don't think we should be droning people in Pakistan and elsewhere; at the same time for many Muslims this is the Crusades and they want to kill anyone who does not follow Mohammed, they have said as much.
The "Muslim extremeist" card is too simplistic. If anything, individual muslim extremists are played by the jewish/masonic overlords. On a level above that, I suspect the jews get played by the masons, and on a level above that, the goyim masons get played by the jewish masons.
These kids were played. They might have had a "bomb". But so did the saudi kid (OBL's son- maybe?), and so did the Craft goons, and there was probably a couple more bombs as well.
Craft= mossad. DHS = mossad. FBI =mossad. Chachen kids... well, mossad is big in Geogia, and Dagestan... israelis pushed the pipeline mentioned in the above article. Chechen kids were helped to the US by jewish relief agencies. Israeli doctors made sure the surviving kid can't talk... I dunno, you go figure.
And no doubt the giant spaghetti monster is involved somewhere; tin foil on sale at Kroger.
Seriously, and the fifth column, and the illumanati, and the Bildergerger's Bilderbergers, and aliens, and left handed nuns who are closet Jews, and right handed Muslims who are closet Christian's - it's all a highly organized centuries long plot! It couldn't be radical Islam! It just couldn't be! It just couldn't be crazy human beings!
The Bilderbergers are a minor threat compared to the Buildabears:
http://www.buildabear.ca
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam each have their fair share of nutjobs and not all of them are in government.
WWI ? Why, and for what purpose?
The British wanted the Ottoman Empire destroyed, Why?
The Ottoman's were financially tied to the hips of Germany and therefore belong'd to the evil-axis!
The Ottoman's Empire was vast and included Persia, aka, Iran [Iraq, Palestine, and Israel, etel]
Russia [ like Wilson, the Czar was ???, ] we'll, that's a bit later towards the great [reset] finish?
The British win only with the help of Wilson [America] who had promised the american people in his 2nd presidential address, that america's youth will never fight in a foreign war. Well guess what? He won and we went to war!
The Ottoman Empire is dismantled and renamed Turkey, and Persia was divvied up by the U.S and Britain, but the jewel was Israel for the Rothschild's as a gift for financing England's war???
'The Balfour Declaration of 1917" http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/balfour_declaration_2.htm
Now, back to Russia, and what went right and then, terribly wrong?
Lenin is defeated politically by a tiny jewish faction in the elite revolutionary politburo that opens the backdoor for Stalin and the rest is history.
Why did this handful of Jews?, and how did this handful of Jews actually get in the position to change the entire landscape of... 'The Bolshevik Revolution of 1917'?
Why?
http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/easteurope/octrev.html
Stalin [the Iron Man] from Georgia killed anybody and everybody that was seen as a small threat! He had killed off half of his generals and brilliant military men in his 3rd year of power. Basically he was as bad or worse than Mao of China in 1921.
He didn't discrimminate ... nor did Mao!!!
So, in conclusion... what you've proposed as reasons for deliberation are a bit of a stretch at most, regarding Russia's discrimination and that being juxtaposed to China's also...
the sole purpose was a slave force to feed the working industrialist class building a impregnable infrastructure for the next WW that woulds shortly follow WWI
the end,... of reason?!
Since you like a lot of others at ZH like to emphasise the JEW connection to current US oligarchy hegemony and past Soviet bolshevism, here is an article on this subject written by NONE other than Winston Churchill on the role of Zionism to channel the historical resentment and resurgent vitality of the jewish people; written in 1920, at the heart of the contemporary Bolshevik civil war under Trotsky and Zinoviev at the side of Lenin; of which a sample is given here :
...Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. Weissmann in particular....
Makes interesting reading and... ironically for the likes of Joyful here, WC, unquestioned scion of Rule Britinnia values that he nostalgically reverts to in his posts here at ZH, is, according to these very words, an OUTRIGHT supporter of the Khazarian Kabbal's implantation in Zion; the very entity that he sees as masterminding the corruption of current western mores. Oh the irony...
When anglosaxon scions of iconic virtue cannot define what true virtue is, and more importantly what true EVIL is, how can they tell true Scotch from Bourbon?
Winston Churchill - The Jewish Role in the Russian Revolution
For your info, I do not consider Trotsky as a jew but as a communist; the same goes for all the others that Stalin rubbed out subsequently. Totalitarianism has many fathers from all races and religions under the sun!
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