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Merkel To Europe: "Prepare To Cede Sovereignty"
The liquidity tsunami that started in September of 2012 in the Marriner Eccles building and continued with the BOJ's own epic QEasing expansion three weeks ago, has so far provided the impetus for Europe to kick the can of its inevitable dissolution for a few more months, yet slowly but surely the market is starting to read through the artificial levels implied by Italian and Spanish bonds, driven by recycled ECB funding via bank and repo conduits and of course Japanese carry cash, and rumblings of a return to crisis conditions are back.
And as always happens, once the crisis talk is back, so is discussion of a fiscal union. Sure enough, earlier today Germany's Angela Merkel once again reminded everyone just what the stakes are in order to achieve a truly stable, and sustainable European union: nothing short of ceding sovereignty to Germany. And with that we are back to square one, because that has always been the trade off - want a unified, fiscally and monetarily, Europe? You can get it: just bow down to Merkel.
From Reuters:
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Monday that euro zone members must be prepared to cede control over certain policy domains to European institutions if the bloc is truly to overcome its debt crisis and win back foreign investors.
Speaking at an event hosted by Deutsche Bank in Berlin alongside Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, Merkel also defended her approach to the crisis against critics who argue she has put too much emphasis on austerity, saying Europe must find a way to deliver both growth and solid finances.
The comments came two months before European leaders are due to gather in Brussels to discuss moving towards a so-called "fiscal union".
The punchline:
"We seem to find common solutions when we are staring over the abyss," Merkel said. "But as soon as the pressure eases, people say they want to go their own way.
"We need to be ready to accept that Europe has the last word in certain areas. Otherwise we won't be able to continue to build Europe," she added.
Two conclusions here: Europe will be "staring over the abyss" very soon once again, and where Merkel says "Europe" she means Germany.
This is confirmed by the immediate denial of precisely this, adding "it would be "dangerous" if other countries in Europe felt Germany was imposing its own economic model across the entire bloc."
Oh, ok then.
So just what is Germany's vision for "Europe":
"We don't always need to give up national practices but we need to be compatible," Merkel said. "It is chaos right now."
"We need to be prepared to break with the past in order to leap forward. I'm ready to do this," she said.
So... just give up national practices sometimes. And yes, Merkel is of course ready to head the asset-stripmined continent. The question is who else in Europe is willing to hand over their liberties to the next iteration of the German Reich?
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Heil Frau Merkel
Oh crap......here we go again.
"It's the USURY stupid!" The debt is physically IMPOSSIBLE to repay! This is the bloodless way to take over countries, enslave them with unpayable debt, then force them to become slaves.
This is the beginning of WORLD WAR III. But this time we are fighting a financial war. NO MORE AUSTERITY!! NO MORE CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS!!
The word is given......no more defaults.
At what point do they start exterminating people?
Didn't Hitler want to do the same thing?
This time they will be called "debt camps". Arbeit macht frei (from debt).
Cyprus was sacrificed upon the altar of a united EZ as a warning.
We are approaching the climax of this adventure.
Stop your Third Reich rubbish.
Merkel is a NWO agent.
She does not even know how to spell "German interest". Germans have paid for this EU shit already. So don't blame a whole country and people for some shit thought out behind walls in Washington, Brussels and some fucking where else.
Upvote:
At least one person here understands. This is not about Germany. If Merkel truly acted in Germany's best interest, they would have already bailed out of the colossal mess in the Eurozone.
Time for the German Volk to wake up. Merkel is now nothing more than a stooge puppet for the money powers.
First comes One World Govt. Then One World Religion. The Christian God is not amused.
A little more pressure and we will know where everyone stands. I know how this sounds, but surely the end is near.
“in order to leap forward”
Hmm.. leaping is a ballistic thing and there is the little challenge of inertia, friction and gravity.
The Christian God is the original NWO eye in the sky. If the Nazis were the Third Reich, who were the first? Oh right - the Roman Empire, under the aegis of the Christian Demiurge, which went from tribe to tribe exterminating everyone they couldn't convert. It was the Christian God who smashed revelry and nature worship wherever he found it, putting to the sword scholars and priestesses and dumb, dirty peasants alike when they did not submit. I can't believe the number of people who claim to be anti-NWO while following the NWO's exoteric religion; ever read "The Family?"
Re: "Merkel is a stooge puppet for the money powers."
Wasn't Hitler?
You can say that this isn't about Germany, except that Merkel is in Germany -- ostensibly their 'leader,' bizarre as it seems -- and her administration is in charge of the finances and playbook and future of the German people. So yes, Vince Clortho, my doublethinking friend, this *is* also about Germany.
You point is still good though, to the extent that the perceived 'accountability' of bankster-whored governments to their people is being seen once again for the sham that it always was.
europenan hofjuden are
who pull merkel's strings
We've just seen how well blending different cultures into one "European" culture has worked. I suppose, soon we will see how well blending all the religions into a one-world religion will work. But first they must demonize all those who hold fast to their beliefs, including the righteous. (whomever they might be). I think we know where you stand and I know where I stand.
you will get many junks for putting it out so blatantly
christians simply, rather conveniently, forget where today's tyrany for global control started. that's right. in vatican, the oldest and most profitable corporation of them all - the corporate office of vatican: on 18 November 1302, Boniface issued the bull Unam sanctam. It declared that both spiritual and temporal power were under the pope's jurisdiction, and that kings were subordinate to the power of the Roman pontiff. and then the unam sanctam ends:
if that is not a forward looking, human kind enslaving, corporate mission statement, then i dont know what is ...
Anyone can call themself anything including the entire Vatican and Hitler quoted the Bible often. Organized Religion does not a Christian make. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. He also will decide who we are and refine us. The object at hand is to avoid the trap before it is sprung. (To avoid "the wrath to come") Enjoy your religious freedom while you still have it.
Merkel is a NWO agent.
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'Americans' are globalist by nature.
Really? Cause I see 'Made in China' in a lot more places than I see 'Made in USA'
PS - Make me laugh!
Scapegoats are so hot right now. Because fuck taking responsibility for ones (or ones own elected governments) actions.
German WW2 debt reparations: $23bn plus forced labour camps, as well as outright intellectual property theft to the tune of $10bn, or the equivalent of ($33+bn / $35 = 943m oz x 31.3 / 1000 / 1000 =) 29,511 tons of fucking gold.
And that's not forgetting that WW2 was in large part started because of WW1 debt reparations, and now some fucking clueless posters here want to saddle them with more debt once again. Here's how it affected Germany, post-WW1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations#Impact_on_the_Germa...
Perhaps those very same people ought to pick up books on how the German economy was managed post-WW2. Oh, I forget. It's much easier to rage about moronic regurgitated talking points, seeking to locate a scapegoat, than study the aftermath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder
Yeah, at this point I don't think Merkel is going to make it through next fall's elections. The German economy will pay a heavy price if they go back to the DM, but that's still a better alternative to continuing with the EUR. It's funny to watch German state TV and note the huge disconnect between their messaging (very heavy on "we must pay back for our past crimes") and the streets ("we've paid plenty, fuck off").
Oh, is that how one spells "the Vatican" now! Thanks for the update.
+1
If you ask the street level Germans about their feverish urge of conquering Europe, they will think you are insane, as they are crushed every day by the same set of ZOG-stooges.
Yes we know. Germany is loosing their money too by lending all their money away. Who really is receiveing the money? The banks, IMF etc. This is total NWO.
"no black market finance" I agree. Having said that this is clearly more than just Germany...French, Spanish and Italian banks benefit from this as well since the biggest recipient of "the banker largesse"'is the State and "growth opportunities in the East." i'd still stick with US based finance (Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Citi) as they have their own "largesse" (Fed QE, mild to non existent tax regime, nominal growth, an understanding of how this type of financing--sans gold--actually works, etc...) to work with. Wouldn't be surprised if those dividends start dramatically rising as well.
Tylers,
Can you please not post pics of Frau Merkel with her mouth open?
Mrs. pods is going to wonder why I am not so frisky.
Thanks,
Everyman
Paint a labia licker on Frau Merkel, and it looks like a Frau Hitler.
i use to read the "she is hitler's daughters theory" for entertainment purposes... now i am wondering if they werent right the entire time
Didn't we fight a civil war over this sort of thing?
I'm starting to wonder who lost that one; the South or the Constitution...
The Constitution was buried in 1865. Lincoln oversaw its destruction. The fractional reserve leviathon has been on the march ever since.
Rubion,
When they convert the museums at Auschwitz back to the original drawings then you know the stuff will start again.
great leap forward? straight out of chairman mao's playbook...
Merkel going for fourth Reich?
No, Fifth. USSA has dibs on the Fourth.
As a European I can only say: FUCK THAT FAT GERMAN FRAUHUND WHATEVER!
WE'LL NEVER TAKE GERMAN ORDERS!!!
Great piece today from John Ward of the Slog, on the crooked devious German government -
How after World War II, the other countries semi-forgave and POSTPONED THE DEBTS OF GERMANY so Germany could rebuild in the 1950s ... although GERMANY PROMISED TO PAY AFTER THEY WERE RE-UNIFIED
Then after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the 1990 German re-unification, the GERMANS SAID IT WAS NOT A GOOD TIME TO REPAY, because they had so many re-unification expenses
but legally GERMANS STILL OWE DEBT AND REPARATIONS they have not paid
Like to the GREEKS whom THE NAZIS ROBBED ...
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From John Ward's article:
« ... after the second world war the Americans imposed the London debt agreement of 1953 on their allies, an exercise in debt forgiveness to Germany on the most generous terms. West Germany’s economic miracle, the stability of the deutschmark and the favourable state of its public finances were all owed to this massive haircut. But it put Germany’s creditors at a disadvantage, leaving it to them to cope with the financial aftermath of the German occupation.’
The London debt agreement deferred settlement of the reparations question to a conference to be held after a future German reunification..which most people thought would never happen. But ever since it did happen in 1990, the Germans have steadfastly refused to honour the settlement.
In 1990, the Germans argued that any plausible deal would exceed the country’s resources, and that continued financial co-operation in Europe instead would be infinitely preferable. Waydergo: wouldn’t it be just peachy if the Germans now returned that favour in relation to Greek debt? Would a little smidgen of Berlin forgiveness and cooperation in relation to ClubMed be appropriate here? »
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/crisis-athens-outside-of-finance-...
Let's have a look at the Club Med - Spain was neutral in WW2 so neither winner nor loser...Portugal too afaik...Italy was member of the axis and therefore on par with Germany so no debts owed here too (and, btw Italy was the ORIGINAL invader of Greece, Germany came later when Italy botched it!).
So, one MIGHT indeed have a second thought in Germany about being a little more lenient at least with Greece.
BUT: fact is, that these incredibly lazy, corrupt and incopetent a******* in the Greek Ministry of Finance are not even now, after 4 years of crisis, able to go to the next marina, have a look at all those 40-, 50,- 60+ feet yachts and check their owners declared income!
Are we really to believe that THOSE people are able to analyze 190.000 documents which were 70 - 100 years old (those reparation claims stretch back to WW1(!)???? I would not judge those people to be able to find their own behind even with a torchlight!
why have the up/down vote been disabled for this comment
You can't vote because you're not part of the club. :) Seriously, if a post starts with italics there is no ability to vote on it.
I've always felt that I am an outsider so this doesn't exactly come as a surprize.
It does make you think about how it got the 1 up vote.
I was trying to + 1 when it was 0/0 so maybe I gamed them
You got your wars mixed up, or jonney did. Check this:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/germany-makes-final-reparation-payments-world-war/story?id=11755920#.UXVITaK2ZBk
When I occasionally read that blog, I found it necessary to fact check everything Ward said due to his 'personal agenda-driven opinions' frequently expressed as 'well researched facts'. I wouldn't recommend it for serious analysis of anything. IMHO.
I am not a big fan of Germany (my country was fucked royally by them in WW2) but:
- MILLIONS of German civilians were killed AFTER WW2 has ended; the biggest perpetrators were: Russians, French, Americans, British, Poles, Czechs & Slovaks (who the fuck would have thought, eh?);
- MILLIONS of German POW were killed; the biggest perpetrators were: Russians, brutish, French;
- billions of dollars in gold, art, technology were stolen (same perpetrators as POW killers);
- thousands of scientists and technicians were either kidnapped (Russia) or "transferred" (US, UK, France); Russians moved entire factories while the US got the finest scientists (mixed with some fucked up characters for good measure);
- thousand upon thousands of rapes (committed by all victorious sides);
- the civilian population was kept at starvation calories intake well into the 50s (just for the fuck of it, not due to lack of food);
- the civilian population was denied heating fuel (be it wood or other kinds of fuel), just for the fuck of it;
The war reparations came ON TOP of this looting and killing.
Bottom line: the 3rd biggest crime in the history of the 20th century was the slaughtering of the German people (PEACE time), at the hand of the 3 victorious cock sucking allies: Roosevelt, Churchill and De Gaulle (only Mao and Stalin did a "better job" but they had bigger numbers to play with; btw Hitler is included in this ranking too, but he lags far behind).
As always, the common man got screwed on the upside as well on the downside and ended up paying for the whole party. And now you are worried about ze Germans, that somehow want to take over the world. Nobody in his right mind wants to go to war and Germans are no exception. But go ahead and believe all the crap about it and with some luck we'll kill each other again for the benefit of our "masters".
Now the EU is robbing right and left, fucking Germans and PIIGS alike, but somehow is the people's fault, for not working/saving/paying taxes enough.
Fuck this!
You are completly full of shit. I suggest you read a little history. A small example When Germany invaded Holland they starved the people. Countless people starved and were forced to eat garbarge, or the bark of trees.
England had to pay back the USA every single dime for all the US supplies used during the wa,r tanks, guns, right down to the chewing gum. I think they eventually paid it off in the early 2000's.
Germany got a free pass. In fact all the Nazi money held in the USA flooded back into Germany after the war to quickly rebuild their infrastructure.
What did England get not a fucking dime.
Germany wants complete domination of Europe. That was the Euro plan from the begining. This is war by other means.
that money was used to leverage the industrial infrastructure built during wartime in the "nation-states" that had maximum profit potential. no coincidence that the 3 largest economies until very recently were US, Germany & Japan.
and au contrare, someone in merry ol' England got a fucking dime (or trillions of them). if you got a problem with it, you should go to the City of London and make a claim. 'cuz that's where the warmongers are.
I'm sorry. Going to have to fail you here
As the Germans would say....setzen, sechs.
Which means you get to take the course again, as you haven't got a fucking clue.
Germany repayed their Greek debt according to all agreements. The latest was signed in 1990.
After WW2 the four Allies agreed that Germany had to pay 20B$. Greece demanded 10B$ of that.
Greece was accorded 25M$ or about 2.7B$ in todays money.
Germany payed 41B$ in various different payments since 1949.
Other reparation agreements were agreed upon and paid as well involving payments to individuals.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2093990,00.html
Taking into account that all the money that went to Greece recently is gone (probably a good bet) the question for me is: How much more does Greece want? And, will it ever be enough?
Also, what else needs to happen to show the EC leadership in Brussels that this 'United States of Europe' is nothing but a pipe dream.....
Zat's vat you tink. Let me see your papers.
Sudden you may not bow to Germany's plan. Your politicians will do it for you. This is headed where most of us thought it would head. The dictatorship of Europe without a shot being fired.
I hope it nevers happens but right now it looks like your headed that way. Until a country finally tell the EMU to fuck off nothing is going to change.
Right. And the Euro is the Deutschmark.
As an Irishman,I agree.lets all stop buying so called German quality goods and see how that works out for them....
Oh wait,we're broke so we can't buy their shit....
It's a good thing that the German banks are so solid(cough,cough deutshewank)
That Bitch is peddling a line that this camper ain't gonna toe.
Fuck you merkel and your banker buddies!
Don't you worry - just eat your peas and when all the dust has settled, Germany will lend you all the money you need to buy their stuff.
"We need to be prepared to break with the past in order to leap forward. I'm ready to do this," she said.
I don't think Frau Merkel could leap very far. Wrong event.
Shotput maybe, or possibly the hammer throw. But leap? You gotta be kiddin'...
+1. My money's on clean-and-jerk.
What Adolf couldn't do with (red) blood; Angela will do with (red) ink.
Nicely put!
This is the beginning of WORLD WAR III. But this time we are fighting a financial war. NO MORE AUSTERITY!! NO MORE CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS!!
You forgot YOUR key component to winning this financial war, MDB!!: MORE DEBT!!!!! MOAR DEBT!!!!! MOAR DEBT FOR VICTORY, THEN VICTORY SHALL SOON BE GIVEN TO US !!!
I really don't understand. Iceland showed the way and told the banks they weren't getting paid. Yes their credit rating got dinged, but they have gone phoenix and emerged from the ashes. It seems to me that any number of Euro countries are getting their credit wiped anywaqy. Fitch just dinged the UK. It happens either way so why not say, "$0.10 on the buck - take it leave it," and move on with life?
In Iceland, I believe there are bankers in jail!
Unemployment in Iceland 6.5%
Unemployment in Greece 26+%
So, which is the right way to go?
not all effects of unemployment in greece should be seen as negative ones....check this out.
http://naughtynomad.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=530&page=3
why dont some of the PIIGS default? some of them collect enough taxes and other gov revenue to pay all of the gov expenses but not enough to service their debt.......In such situations default on sovereign debt should not create such difficultees for the defaulting nation as to necessitate their exit from Euro......
perhaps i am missing something....
You left one critical factor out of your equation... guns.
Loan sharks don't just let you walk away. Think... Libya.
That's right and was planned from the begining. I hope France does not think it will sit at the table with Germany. History is pretty clear that will NOT happen.
Heil the Fourth Reich!
FORWARD THE REICH!
Now we know what it's like when Angela farts in a room
Whoever would have guessed humanity would just replay WW2 over and over again?
traitorous bastard er bitch....
I hate Merkel.
Fucking hate her.
I hate her, more than I hate Bernanke.
I have family in Germany, and like many Germans, they think this traitorous toolbag bitch is actually doing something positive for the country.
Germany is just like the US in a lot of respects, especially immigration. They open the floodgates to 3rd world'ers, who get free benefits for years (18 in Germany's case), all on the backs of the "working man".
One world cunt.
Makes one wonder exactly who and where the fuck did Angela Merkel come from?...to be able to lead one of the most powerful nations on this planet.
+1 exactly
non elected special people (mostly angel like no doubt) who run these policies, will never result in lack of freedom for the people of Europe..unless you are greek or cypriot, but then they ain't like us anyway. so tuff bloody tuff.
At least no one can blame the Jews for her.
silly me -I thought all of our "leaders" are simply front men(and women) for jewish bankers.
Ordinary kids from ordinary backgrounds...
...doing extraordinary things!?!
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Sure.
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Its like saying anyone can become 'President.' No, anyone can not become president.
Powerful positions like these you are born into, not elected.
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Merkel = powerful genetic lineage.
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The end.
How do you explain O'Blah Blah? Milestones
At least no one can blame the Jews for her.
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'Americans' can blame anyone for anything, save themselves.
Merkel is an all 'american' 'american', german stock.
'Americans' will find ways. It is their nature.
Chinese trolls will blob-up nonsense on otherwise excellent blogs. It is their nature.
East Germany
the reptilian appears to be getting uncomfortable in her human suit..
Couldn't edit to add this:
Despite being one continent, Euroland is comprised of nations whose populations all have their own distinct culture, customs, beliefs, work ethic, etc. It evolved that way over hundreds of years, and no amount of political rhetoric, or legislative action is suddenly going to change that.
You have countries that are more Germanic in terms of ideology (Austria, for instance), but getting "everyone on the same page" is another story. It's Not Going To Happen.
So give it up already, EU.
Go back to the policy of "every nation for herself". It's better for everybody that way, especially Germany.
'Americans' cant stop themselves from blobbing up as much as they cant stop themselves pretending they are not blobbing up.
When this blobbing act is performed, you will still get 'americans' to deny it happened.
'Americans', fantasy is their last shelter...
WTF is blobbing up??
That's chicom ananonymousebastard cumming in his pants
Couldn't agree more Croesus...this is just what I said before. Why are so many Germans proud of this woman from "behind the wall"? Will Germans benefit from this desertified Europe?
As to silly immigration policies.....well...
Time to get rid of these NWO politicians, the way other readers would call them.
I could introduce you to Mister Monti in this respect....+ others...
P.S. I must admit that the pragmatic English were DEAD RIGHT.
this is the second or third reiteration of the game: propose an alternative that is not palatable and people will stop asking for what looks palatable but they haven't thought trough
but Merkel forgets that the City wants EuroBonds so badly that they might call Murdoch to fully endorse with his media empire this path
meanwhile the "fiscal union" she is talking about would have to be discussed, at lenght, than there are so many proposals as countries
Would those discussions really have to be "at length"?
There seems be a desire by some in Brussels and elsewhere to maintain 27 independent votes at the UN and 27 separate Foreign Ministry spending budgets, all parroting a single foreign policy dictated by Brussels. Only four of those supposedly "Sovereign" EU States share borders with Switzerland, yet TPTB in Brussels would like nothing more than to disregard Switzerland's tradition of bilateral treaties as well as the sovereignty of the EU's own members in regards to non CFSP foreign relations with Switzerland and negotiate pacts strictly between Brussels and Bern. That puts Switzerland in an rather awkward position, where it is being pressured to treat its supposedly equal and sovereign neighbors as inferior vassal States not worthy of direct negotiation. And what does it say of logic in Brussels- that Estonia and Cyprus should have a larger vote than Germany with regards to economic and trade integration with Switzerland?
Or perhaps I missed some lengthy public debate on this matter during my travels or due to my poor French and German skills?
lol - aren't you mixing up several quite separate issues? I agree with you that Switzerland is not treated fairly, but frankly I suspect you misunderstood quite a lot of things... about the lenght of the debate: look it up, Merkel was making the exact same statement in... 2011
I was intentionally conflating quite a number of distinct but interwoven issues (and will continue to do so here), because while I agree with you on the tactics and risks of Merkel's plan du jour, I begin to disregard the ideals of EU whenever I survey the horrors of the Wurstenfabrik, which I believe at best run counter to the ideals of its advocates. Politics is a zero-sum game and the power players of the EU/EMU leadership have demonstrated a willingness to disregard both consistency and intellectual integrity in the pursuit of political expediency, only to oscillate frameworks (EU27 to EMU17 or Federal to Confederate) as soon as the crisis, challenge or negotiating party changes. Furthermore, the irresponsible EU/EMU leadership seem to expect the rest of the world to continue to idly underwrite their profligacy and so far- fruitless pursuit of reform, or even consensus on the direction of reform, and demand nothing in exchange.
There cannot be a legitimate foreign policy union absent a budgetary union, and no union will serve or respect the diverse and conflicting needs of all members equally. Anything less is merely talking in circles in an attempt to sustain the unsustainable.
And while the whole world is waiting with bated breath for some sort of consensus to emerge out of the Comedy of Errors that is EU "Management" it would be polite if Mario or whatever reptilian shape-shifter is running the "Council show" at Ecofin/FAC- would cut the Swiss a check for their upkeep expenses on Brussel's continual negligence over in Austria, Poland, and Hungary where again there is an absence of any EU consensus on who is actually responsible for what in that mess, but where even the Troika's IMF appendage agrees Budapest isn't paying its dues.
Alternatively, the FED, BOJ, or even SNB could front-run Russia and just buy Cyprus (and its EU voting apparatus) for pennies on the dollar or a weeks worth of underwriting of broader EMU profligacy while we're all waiting for Godot to show up with that mythical EU consensus. At some point someone outside of the EU will get creative just to pass the days away.
Seriously, I know you favor the European Hopium, but when is someone responsible in Europe going to step up and fish, or cut bait? The exceptional commitment of European "political capital" is supposed to be at least slightly less laughable then Dubya trying to articulate a sophisticated argument for American Exceptionalism.
Let the banksters flounder. It's not the regular folks fault that political unions have screwed the local populus in most of the EU countries. Tell 'em to take a hike.
Better start practicing already...
"German teaching tape: Die Sauerkraut ist in mein Lederhosen - wem hast die hühner in der hinter gebumst"
Achtung... die Deutsche Blöde Fotze hat noch einmal gesprochen!
Where's my hitler-mustache sharpie? She even looks just like him.
has Frau Merkel converted to the 'gutter'religion...islam???
The fourth riech without the tanks this time.
But still have funds to pay for the money masters machines of mass destruction ... http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145809
But first we will take your gold. Oh, where is ours?
The third Reich also started with good intentions like the EU and Euro...........
Centralization always leads to the darkside.........
the darkside results from the fact that most evil and devious people gravitate to the levers of power... if you put all power in a few hands, the game is over.
So true. One of the founding fathers addressed this issue of tyrants in a letter to Willam Stephens Smith in 1787:
" ... what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. "
- T. Jefferson
Centralization always leads to the darkside.........
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It led to the United States of America...
What are they supposed to do - just hand fiscally irresponsible nations shitloads of cash and tell them "now don't do it again"?
Fucking default already if you don't want the Germans to have a say.
Well, yeah - that's sort of the point.
They don't want to default because then they have to live within their means - and none of their sheeple are going to be any too happy about that. So they want all that sweet FrankenCash with no strings attached.
Who the heck do they think they are? US welfare recipients??
(For the record, I'm praying they tell Frau Merkel to screw and just recognize, publicly, they're bankrupt and default already.)
"Who the heck do they think they are? US welfare recipients??"
I'm thinking yes. Otherwise somebody would have already told the Troika "thanks, but no thanks."
Take Cyprus, for instance. A week or two ago there was an article that their parliament was going to vote on the bail-out/bail-in FINALLY, and might call the whole thing off. Where the fuck did THAT story go? Nowhere, of course. There will be no vote. They're going to sit there, shut the fuck up and do as they're told.
Can't default because corrupt politicians run the country on behalf of the EUSSR. Corrupt lame stream media constantly tell us that the euro must be saved and it's the best thing ever.
It is not that simple when your politicians are in the pocket of the ECB aka technocrats and work for them first and you second. People also like free shit and really believe government will solve all their problems, that is the general attitude I seem to pick up on as an observer. I get Merkel's point about not wanting to fund a bunch of freeloaders. Cut them loose and let them figure it out on their own don't act like a dictator over it. You can't force people to change that don't want to admit they have a problem, you got to cut them loose and once they admit it then you can actually work towards fixing. Imposing your will like a dictator will not solve the problem, it never does.
the game is obvious; to keep it going all players must take their turn and roll the dice again.
the players get the first move after they siphone off the graff. game is over when the greater whole has nothing more to lose
and politicians/banksters singled out at perpetraitors. logical conclusion, but many twists and turns...
Germany loves the Euro. Countries like Greece, Italy and Spain keep the Euro's price relatively low for the Economic Exporting Powerhouse known as Germany.
If Germany wan't in the Euro their currency would be 2x stronger and would massively impact their ability to export products.
So while they complain and complain. The truth is they love the Euro and will do everything to keep countries like Italy and Greece in that web.
Yeah, as long as interest is being paid on those debts...
Hit it right on the head, you did !!
+1 HPC
What's a testament to this powerhouse is that they did it while having a parasitic twin (from reunification) attached to their back.
except they'd have to print DMs by the billions to bail out their banks. This would temper the value of their currency, no?
Alhough you may (not really proven) be right.
The FACT remains that Germany really did awful fucking well with the DM, which was strong in relation to other currencies at the time.
I am really tired of this one sided arguement for Germany staying in the Euro.
Germany is perhaps the most favourite banking pet in the 9th circle of the eurozone.
The pure evil that is Europe is there for all with eyes to see.
The crisis was caused by these very same banks pushing real resources beyond post 1648 borders.
She wants our lives standardized to a even greater extent creating less redundancy in the system.
Europe is becoming a hinterland for German entrepot economic activity which creates nothing net ........it just adds value via the production of their fancy toys for now external euro area consumption.
so why does Ireland not leave the eurozone? and don't try to tell me there is a majority for this on the Emerald Isle
Because there is a party whip system in Ireland so a few paid off politicians can dictate to their political parties as leaders, the policies to be followed. No mainstream party are Anti-EU. If you vote against this you are cast out. You can control Ireland by buying 2 politicians becauses usually there is 2 parties in each coalition. Couple that with a corrupt media that constantly has a hard on for the EUSSR and there is no debate on EU membership allowed.
my question was: what do the Irish want, not how this is handled by their parties, which is supposed to be a reflection of the first
so why does Ireland not leave the eurozone?
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Because for 'americans', the group is all.
It is like running with a gang. All funny and dandy until you realize that when you want to leave the gang, you'll become the number one target for the gang. You're in for life.
Added to that, 'americans' love to externalize their problems to solve them.
The very second one country leaves, all the others will find a new consensus to loot the leaving country. It will buy them time of appeasement.
It is how 'americans' solve their problems.
Trouble is 'americans' rule in Europe, they know the rules and know what to expect.
Hard to bamboozle an 'american' about 'americanism' and even harder to find some to volunteer to take the Indians' part.
Chinese citizenism citizens commonly struggle at thinking out of group patterns. Not surprising.
It is like running to a roadside with a gang. All funny and dandy until you realize that when you want to leave the gang, you'll become the number two target for the gang. You're crapped on for life.
Added to that, Chinese citizenism citizens love to excretortionalize their problems to solve them.
The biggest excretortioner is most likely to excretort others big first before looking at himself. This is where safety is. On the Chinese citizenist ganglord's turf. The ganglord excretorts his usual preys, craps on their backs, excretorts sometimes his trusty lieutnants and very seldom himself. If you want safety, invest on the AnAnonymist ganglord's territory, this is where you are the safest.
Breaks my heart that our shit politicos are able to sell the lie to the Irish people and they swallow it down with a fear chaser every fucking time.
who cares about europe? keep telling us more about the mass-murderer terrorists in boston.
what terrorists
https://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/
there were 3 ppl killed. everyone speaking about mass-murder and terrorism is an idiot or is provoking.
forgot the "sarcasm" tags for those taking everything seriously.
At least have an article on the suspension of civil rights for the emergency du jour.
I listed six the other day but am sure I missed a few.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-20/what-alleged-terrorist-looks-in...
Germany knew what they were doing when the started this.
No need for WWI this time around.
Should cut France's legs off too which would be good.
Really??? They knew what they were doing??? So having all their gold reserves stored at the NY Fed was "Germany's" plan......hehehehehehehe......Okeedokee
Who is they ?
There is no they
It is them.
The Euro Borg.
sure. and they invaded the minds of over 60% of eurozoners, eh?
@
Ghordius
Can you give a rational explanation for Euro area economic policy then ?
They obviously wish to destroy us.
Post 1980 ~ Ireland ,Italy and the rest became a colonial market for their products.
Now we are worth more dead then alive within the eurosystem which means they will extract our energy ration so as to export to trade deficit US ,UK & pegged China.
PS
Provisional Irish energy balance for 2012 published a few days ago.
http://www.seai.ie/Publications/Statistics_Publications/Energy_Balance/2012_Provisional_Energy_Balance.pdf
(detailed breakdown of consumption in transport , heating etc yet to be published.)
Of course massive (probably the biggest % decline in Europe) drops are again seen – especially oil consumption.
Total primary energy supply oil (inc non energy)
Y2005 : 9 ,586 KTOE (Peak)
Y2010 : 7,690 KTOE
Y2011 : 7,101 KTOE
Y2012 : 6,244 KTOE !!!!
Thats a 34 % drop oil consumption without the use of a national currency token................
So we lost close to a million tons of oil consumption in one year ! ( 0.857 MTOE)
Nat Gas consumption also rolling over recently
Y2010 : 4,704 KTOE
Y2011 : 4,138 KTOE
Y2012 : 4,018 KTOE
Coal consumption up just a bit but no where near 1990 levels when we has much less oil & gas central heating.
(The only coal fired electricity plant in the south of Ireland came on stream around 1987 ~)
Y1990 : 2,085 KTOE ( max post 1990)
Y2009 : 1,154 KTOE (min)
Y2010 : 1,240 KTOE
Y2011 : 1,264 KTOE
Y2012 : 1,482 KTOE
Milled (industrial) peat up a bit these last couple of years.
Sod peat down (Euro boys & girls banning harvesting ?)
Milled peat
Y1992 : 804 KTOE (peak)
Y2010 : 643 KTOE
Y2011 : 619 KTOE
Y2012 : 676 KTOE
Sod peat
Y1990 : 617 KTOE (post 1990 peak)
Y2010 : 165 KTOE
Y2011 : 158 KTOE
Y2012 : 128 KTOE
But what if global resource constraints is solely a result of core internal euro deflation / creation of artificial scarcity which was used to give credit to the world…….
Given that there was no rational wage demand for these high value products in the colonial markets (other the bank credit) there was of course malinvestment / destruction of capital.
The (war time) capital both human & physical is now destroyed (no job retraining) so we now have real scarcity.
The destruction of Italy & the rest of us explained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V77FoE54RNU
Ireland lived on the fat of the land for a few years by having (unfair, imho) low taxes. That buccaneering obviously wanted to kill all social democratic states. As it turns out, when the tide change, being a buccaneer is no longer an option. Is that what you call "being killed" ?
You don't understand what happened to Irish domestic industry when we left the Sterling peg in 1979 so as to join the euro.
Wages was 70% of GDP ~ in 1980
During the height of the boom it was in the mid 40 %.................
Because all rational domestic primary and secondary industry was destroyed we had no choice (within a non sov country) but to game the international multinational system so as to pay the debt so as to maintain a positive money supply.
so you left the peg to the Sterling and have now a very fancy peg to a different currency. what does this say: you are moaning about the common currency being too hard, i.e. you'd prefer to have the peg to the Sterling vs than let's say a gold backed currency
@Ghordius
I am a greenbacker ( state money should not be backed by any metal as it is no longer state money) by nature but the Sterling peg was better for Irish industry given the geographic and cultural proximity of the UK......
Now there is no Irish primary or secondary industrial activity to speak of.
Serves them right they supported Germany in WW2.
the problem results when people assume that Germany, or the United States, or Ireland etc... is actually under the control of the citizens of each country. it should be very obvious by now that citizens have not been in control for some time. a global fifth column has taken full control.
+1 "Euro Borg"
She forgot the '...for the children' part.
So just how does Frau Merkel define the word 'build' -- is it like Silvio's defn of bunga bunga?
She is getting desparate. When Sarkozy was Prime Minister she seemed much happier.
Probably partaking in the Frenchie's sausage.
Slightly off topic and related to the Boston Marathon Bombers. You need to follow the money. First we have Zerohedge showing the apartment the bombers lived in:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-21/inside-ground-zero-photos-suspe...
Then you have a couple of articles about their lifestyle:
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/mechanic_sus...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-19/potential-boston-bomber-getaway...
The question begs to be asked... Is that the real apartment? What about the cars et al? Where did the money come from?
Al Harbi must be mad...
and with her dog Tusk that was really a nice "mise en scène"...
I cannot fathom what
"Prepare To Cede Sovereignty"would sound like to the European nations in GERMAN!!!! Old history, perhsps?
Sie müssen Cede Souveränität
Not a good thing to hear anytime.