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Guest Post: America, Long On Indifference, Short On Indignation

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Via Ben Tanosburn of Tanosburn.com,

A friend who teaches history in one of the area’s community colleges cynically told me a dozen years ago, shortly after the September 11 attack, that the upcoming writing of American history would be done not by historians, but by economists.  He contended that American military spending had brought the Soviet empire to its knees a generation before, now (in 2001) Osama bin Laden was lighting what he called the “slow wick-fuse” that would have the US implode as the ruling empire within a couple of decades.

My young friend then proceeded to draw economic curves on the un-rationed napkins made available with our overpriced Starbucks coffee.  His extrapolation of expenditures for components and subcomponents of the GDP might have appeared pessimistic then, but there was unquestionable rationality in his overall treatment.  Fear-triggered added government expenditures, whether via National Defense or some new domestic super-agency, would end up impoverishing the country; and, as he put it, “if fear expenditures don’t bury us, healthcare costs will.”  And all this history in front of us, we both agreed, was happening because of our blatant civic indifference to how our nation was being governed; or, rather, how the people had forfeited their duty to govern themselves.

The Boston Marathon terror incident made me revisit that extended coffee break with my friend, and what has happened in the twelve years hence.  We now have Homeland Security “defending” us – from little, other than fear – at a total budget authority which approaches $60 billion annually.  Two wars and more than a trillion dollars later, we have raised our chances for fear possibly ten, maybe even a hundred-fold… something which will eventually mature in terror to be perpetrated by those who’ll try to avenge the long line of victims the US has left behind in its imperial quest.

And added to the grievous vice of our indifference is our lack of indignation in watching ourselves being marched to the slaughter house and not showing an ounce of courage, a legitimate cry of indignation.  It became evident, if only in the economic arena, when the Occupy Movement made an attempt to pinpoint blame for the nation’s economic ills.  Indignation never materialized… indifference quickly suffocating the cries of a few.  As for any questioning by Americans of the seeds which grow terror; that will never happen while the empire continues waving its flags from hundreds of enclaves all over the world.  Unfortunately, most Americans find pride in that, not indignation.  

Anton Chekhov in his Gooseberries could just as easily have been writing about life a century later in this America of ours:

“I look at this life and see the arrogance and the idleness of the strong, the ignorance and bestiality of the weak, the horrible poverty everywhere, overcrowding, drunkenness, hypocrisy, falsehood. . . . Meanwhile in all the houses, all the streets, there is peace; out of fifty thousand people who live in our town there is not one to kick against it all. Think of the people who go to the market for food: during the day they eat; at night they sleep, talk nonsense, marry, grow old, piously follow their dead to the cemetery; one never sees or hears those who suffer, and all the horror of life goes on somewhere behind the scenes. Everything is quiet, peaceful, and against it all there is only the silent protest of statistics…”

So much for indignation, the silent protest of statistics!  Whether Chekhov’s town of 50,000 or today’s US of 315+ million people, we are all immersed in our selfish little lives proudly displaying what could be society’s worst vice: indifference… indifference to “all the horror of life [that] goes on somewhere behind the scenes.”

Indifference has historically been accepted by multiple cultures and religions as a vice.  Isn’t it about time, in an era where democracy appears to be slowly gaining ground, that we successfully battle such vice with its corresponding virtue: indignation?  After all, indignation is not just anger, but righteous anger at people or situations that are truly offensive or unjust to the better nature of humankind.

As we look at the arrogance of the strong, and the ignorance of the weak, we can’t help but recognize that at least for now... vice rules over virtue and our country will continue to remain long on indifference and short on indignation.  And that’s not a prescription to cure us from terrorism... or, what’s even worse, the fear of terrorism.

 

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Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:21 | 3490939 Supernova Born
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God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

or shorthand version: "Serenity now!"

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:22 | 3490953 NoDebt
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Shorthand version:  Fuck it.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:27 | 3490970 ghandi
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well written and true.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:27 | 3490973 CH1
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We are at Peak Obedience.

And it SUCKS.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:32 | 3490988 Fukushima Sam
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Try some indignation and you're likely to get labeled "potential terrorist".

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:43 | 3491034 Cheesy Bastard
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The Chechens are coming home to roost.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:24 | 3491149 Monedas
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When do we get Terrortits .... female suicide bombers ?   I'm rather blase about all the indifference of the low information types !

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 11:24 | 3492985 Stabile Eyes it
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everyone on welfare needs to be investigated. this is disgusting. the dead terrorist's wife is an entrapped idiot. did anyone question her parents yet?

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 11:48 | 3493098 balolalo
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Isn't it about time we have a new Constitutional Congress?  

It has been over 2 centuries, and document made by different people for a different age may need some updates.     

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!!!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:28 | 3491161 A Lunatic
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Peak Obedience is being the bulldozer driver who shovels great heaps of lime caked gas chamber victims off into muddy pits while listening to itunes and eating a ham sandwich...........

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 00:16 | 3491618 Anusocracy
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People become indifferent when reality correlates with their morality.

You get upset when reality and morality are in disagreement.

 

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/reasons-matter-when-intu...

 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 14:27 | 3491710 Anusocracy
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The morality of the Founding Fathers was very similar to that of libertarians such as Ron Paul.

The make up of modern America is, according to the Life in America post here, 43% liberal, 24% conservative, and 30% independent - all of whom possess moral intuitions that differ greatly from libertarians.

Hence the Constitution is being trashed constantly in America, and that won't stop until what it stands for is a close match to the morality of 97% of the population.

Which means a near total loss of freedom by the left and right..

 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 06:43 | 3492015 j0nx
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G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate. It's the only thing that makes sense after everything these crooks have done.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:29 | 3490981 CH1
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Shorthand version:  Fuck it.

Some day... be it ever so long... reality will matter again. And when that happens, the "fuck it" guys will die.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:32 | 3490992 1C3-N1N3
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Reality does matter now. Just not to enough people.

+1 for dead fuckits.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:24 | 3491151 pods
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It is starting to matter more and more each and every day.

The people fall behind while the idiot box screams "recovery."  

Cognitive dissonance can be a fantastic thing (okay, and person).

The more people hear how wonderful things are while their lives slowly shrink the more chances there are for that one little splinter to be put in their mind.

That is all it takes.  One small, irritating splinter. (Yeah I stole it from the Matrix, BFD)

Years ago I was the crazy guy, who steadfastly said buy PMs, and not shares, ETFs, etc, but PHYSICAL PMs, and store them with you.

Everyone would avoid me when I was speaking, or shrug off some of my idiotic pontificating save the sorry bastard trapped in my diatribe.

I wanted to beat it into people.  I wanted to MAKE them know what took so many of my nights away from me.

Later on,  I became indifferent and only mentioned things when asked.  Seems that works much better than a hammer.  I shut up and did not speak about current events.  Just sat and listened.  Eventually someone would want to know what the idiot thought, so I would merely give my two cents.  Kept it simple, avoided argument.  Quickly stopped all the canned left-right reflexive responses. I WAS indifferent.  And it was a good feeling.  I said my thought then left it at that.  Doing that has opened up more minds than all my indignation has ever done.  

So I would disagree that indifference is not a good thing. 

You can afford to be indifferent (to a degree) when your savings are not valued in $, Euro, Yen, etc.  It is valued in atomic weight, purity, and mass.  Can't fuck with that much.

Indifference will end this thing.  Indignation will prolong it, as indignation implies anger, and angry people are easily swayed by those whose job it is to sway angry people.

pods

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:40 | 3491187 Magnum
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brilliant Pods, thanks.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:03 | 3491267 Calmyourself
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Yeah brilliant, will indifference end the ponzi statist nightmare prior to my young son wasting his life as a debt slave?  Will indifference keep the worst mass killers in history Government, from killing my wife and daughter in the pursuit of liberal utopia, will indifference fill the belly of children?    Will indifference provide on a reasonable timeline the ability for a man to trust his money as a true unit of work and enduring wealth?  Indifference does none of this except salve the conscience of a weak man. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:50 | 3491392 RichardENixon
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Who cares?

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:24 | 3491909 Andy Lewis
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I was going to reply but I realized I didn't give a fuck.

 

Sorry 'bout that.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:29 | 3491913 akak
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Fight apathy ..... or don't.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:56 | 3491404 pods
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Please see my reply below.  The answer is YES, indifference to this system CAN and WILL end this ponzi.  I have two kids so I am in the same boat.

pods

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:39 | 3491527 Calmyourself
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pods WADR, I like your posts look forward to reading most of them..  But, many here know some history, mostly fiat and economic history but seem to be a bit light on their own founding.  The interval between the Boston massacre and lexington was years and indifference was decidedly not the driving force in shrugging off the Brit yoke.  Indifference perhaps coupled with insightful and wise economic choices will help bring down the ponzi but there is much more to this web the elites have woven than merely the ponzi.  No, politics is inextricably woven through our myriad problems and indifference is the last thing that will help with that issue.  Some of the sheep here bahh, bahh about laying in their fetal position indifferent yet ready to take the helm as the ponzi collapses as angry men are portrayed as easy to position and manage..

Angry men are not easy to manage which is why our captured press and elites spend so much time and effort capping anger and turning it toward more easily managed states.  Here is what happens when a population moves from indifference, sloth, avarice toward the fulfillment in action of righteous anger.

The Stamp Act in 1765 and the Townsend Acts in 1767/68.

Boston Massacre in 1770.

The original Tea Party 1773.

Lexington & Concord 1775.

Declaration of Independence 1776

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:51 | 3491292 1C3-N1N3
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Pods, you're one of my favs here on ZH. Hope you stick around long enough to read this.

Just sat and listened.  Eventually someone would want to know what the idiot thought, so I would merely give my two cents.  Kept it simple, avoided argument.  Quickly stopped all the canned left-right reflexive responses. I WAS indifferent.

I'm not convinced that you were really indifferent. You still cared. You just improved your conversational skills. Most people don't want to be preached to, so your perceived indifference really worked in your favor. It must be their idea to talk about it. Even then, I find it better to lead them to making the proper conclusions themselves instead of just telling them what's up. It is easy for them to reject your conclusion, but if it's their conclusion they are far more likely to embrace it.

The more people hear how wonderful things are while their lives slowly shrink the more chances there are for that one little splinter to be put in their mind.

My life shrank quickly last year, to very near zero. I didn't feel indignance. I didn't blame the Bernank. I took ownership of my situation and things are on the up again. So I doubt indignance's merit here, too...

I know I rub off on people in person -- hopefully I can influence them to stay positive and overcome every hurdle that comes our way. It's better to talk like the most inspirational person in the room, not necessarily the smartest...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:54 | 3491396 pods
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Well I am not indifferent to the plight of the people around me. I became indifferent about saving this system.  A system that when I saw the ugly truth (to the best of my understanding), was one of debt servitude.

I no longer cared about politics.  I withheld my vote for the first time in my life.  

Because I realized that this absolutely devious and insidious slavery was one of OUR own making.  Credit this, credit that.  Watch your credit score so the bank will lend you money. Bzzzz, wrong answer, I create that funny credit money every time I sign a note. And a bank somehow should be showered with oodles of interest (my future labor) for ME creating this money.

You are probably correct that indifference is not the right term.  I made a conscious, thoughtful decision to pull away from this system. Withdraw.  Not only to protect myself, and my family but for an even greater cause.  WE are the forgers of our own chains.  WE create this debt.  And this system depends on debt to continually expand to survive.  Exponentially.

So by withdrawing from this system to the best of my abilities, I am doing my part to destroy it.  

As it is, the government has been replacing private credit money in this imploding system from 2008 onward.  It cannot go on.

I still do care, but not in a conventional way.  I care more now than ever.  But not for this system. I care for a chance where my kids grow up in a system that IS based on merit and hard work.

pods

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:26 | 3491490 Freddie
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+100

F TV and F Hollywood that creates these chains - much of it is mental.  The best way to tell them F off is to pull the plug on them. 

O is talking about an exec order (soon) banning the import of ammo, mags, guns, etc.  This is getting worse.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:45 | 3491539 Bad Attitude
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Dear Leader is the best gun salesman to come along in several decades. All he has to do is mention gun control, and people redouble there efforts to stock up on firearms and ammunition. Somehow, I don't think he has figured this out yet.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:43 | 3491538 Calmyourself
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pods, thank you for fleshing that set of ideas and emotions out, I understand and empathize.  I find it difficult to express my complex feelings regarding saving vs actively dismantling ths syetem ( thorugh econ choices) see my post above regarding the history of indifference ( Solzhenetzin's regrets regarding Cheka/ KGB raids) and the action of our founders..

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 00:08 | 3491603 1C3-N1N3
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Thanks for the response, pods.

I'm still not convinced that you're indifferent, even to saving the system. You seem opposed to saving the system, on ethical grounds. Me, too. That ain't indifference.

My first glimpse at the ugly truth was in 2001, when I was a teenager. Been debtophobic since.

Your kids have a great dad. I look forward (and forward, and forward) to being a quality father someday...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:19 | 3491901 Urban Redneck
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Where is an Indian or Buddhist when you when you need one (to explain the brahmin path to Brahmavidya and Dharma)

Or even a proper liberal arts major to explain the Stoics...

Indifference is only a word not a truth.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:34 | 3491921 Bearwagon
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The search for Nirwana cannot be explained, it must be experienced.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:37 | 3491923 akak
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Isn't that next to Botswana?

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:38 | 3491927 Bearwagon
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The search for Botswana is at least also a thing, that must be experienced, I'd say ...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:40 | 3491929 akak
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Some of the most friendly and welcoming people I have ever met were the Tswana.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:42 | 3491932 Bearwagon
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So it is a worthwile experience to visit these people. Connecting with people in other countries can do much good.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:50 | 3491939 akak
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I found it to be so, but that was quite a few years ago now, and I do not know much about the current situation in Botswana.  I suspect that the people are not much if at any different than they were when I visited them, though.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:55 | 3491943 Bearwagon
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Well, you seem to be adequately aware of the correlation between a guest and his hosts. As long as that's the case, you should do well pretty much everywhere.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:31 | 3491919 purplefrog
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Withdraw from the system.  Exactly!  Their leverage is the fiat money system.  I know this sounds too simplistic at first, but when you personally own silver and when you eliminate personal debt you help to implode the monstrous evils that surround us.  That is the most effective thing you can do right now.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:29 | 3491331 spekulatn
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Well done pods. 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 00:56 | 3491688 RockyRacoon
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Well done, pods.  Hang around a while and speak up more often.  ZH got a little dreary for a while there.

Seems like some thoughtful folks are coming back.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 03:53 | 3491875 purplefrog
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Most excellent!  Great wisdom learned by practical experience.  There is an appropriate time for everything.  "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 03:41 | 3491864 AnAnonymous
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'American' nature is eternal and this is an 'american' world...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 03:47 | 3491867 Bearwagon
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This must be the "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind", I've heard so much of ...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 03:52 | 3491874 akak
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I think it is more the "eternal hypocritizenism of the liver-spotted mind" that we are witnessing here.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:04 | 3491890 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It is a piece of the insanitation forced by the Chinese Citizenism Communautist world odor.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:11 | 3491891 akak
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As taught through the wisdom of The Great Stoolman himself, Mousey Dung, in his Miniscule Maroon Manuscript:

"All powerful stench flows from the barrel of a Chinese Citizenism rectum".

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 11:15 | 3492921 Stabile Eyes it
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ha...maybe Lloyd was onto something?

 

meant for SuperNova Born

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:20 | 3490940 A Lunatic
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Six of one, half dozen of the other, can't we all just get along?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:22 | 3490944 NoDebt
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in·dig·na·tion  

/?indig?n?SH?n/   Noun Anger or annoyance provoked by what is perceived as unfair treatment.   Synonyms resentment - wrath - anger - exasperation - Zero Hedge

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:24 | 3490945 DavidPierre
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:39 | 3491012 HulkHogan
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Ancient history, Mr. Pierre. Might as well be asking about JFK.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:42 | 3491032 DavidPierre
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9/11 Karaoke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sixzE02wRw

Sing Along Everybody!
Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:01 | 3491089 flapdoodle
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Incorrect. He had a starring role, as "Emmanuel Goldstein".

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 02:38 | 3491804 Black Swan 9
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Only as the patsy. Then the boogeyman.

9/11 truth could have stopped indifference. Then the (false) wars (on terror). Perhaps the growing police state. But the Fed and its inevitable collapse of the Ponzied dollar cannot be stopped. That's the problem.

The aftermath may provide for less indifference. Maybe.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:24 | 3490958 lolmao500
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Thanks to decades of statist brainwashing in the schools. When the soviet union collapsed, the commies moved to the US and became teachers.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:29 | 3490984 Fish Gone Bad
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They didn't move here, they were always here.  Did you ever wonder HOW a teacher was made?  They aren't surgeons, physicians, pharmacists, scientists, baseball players, CEO's, computer programmers, or any other career that actually has a name associated with it.  They are pretty much cast off human intellectual hamburger as it were. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:51 | 3491059 toys for tits
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You're being generous.  

More like sausage, which includes the government allowed rat droppings.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:00 | 3491097 Ignatius
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The history of compulsory public schooling by John Taylor Gatto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UadPqGscfI

A longer history than one imagines.

 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 03:18 | 3491843 Black Swan 9
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The idea of "terrorism" has replaced the idea of "communism", both of which have been purposely propagandized for maximum use of fear (and response) effects by TPTB. Deliberate psychological operations (psyops) to manipulate the masses into supporting bankers' (et al.) wars.

Communism was never a threat to the U.S.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:25 | 3490960 Seasmoke
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Fame, Fame, fatal Fame
It can play hideous tricks on the brain
But still I'd rather be Famous
Than righteous or holy, any day
Any day, any day

But sometimes I'd feel more fulfilled
Making Christmas cards with the mentally Ill
I want to live and I want to Love
I want to catch something that I might be ashamed of

Frankly, Mr. Shankly, this position I've held
It pays my way and it corrodes my soul

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:25 | 3490962 Fish Gone Bad
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I asked a man how WT7 "just fell down".  He told me I was a conspiracy theorist.  I told him they were running a bomb drill just before the explosions in Boston.  "Nuh ahh", was his response.

People will willingly live the company lie.  I do not know if that is by choice or from fear.  These people are not retards, special needs or just in need of a hug.  They will believe a lie before they believe their own eyes.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:33 | 3490994 CH1
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They will believe a lie before they believe their own eyes.

Consciousness implies responsibility, and they can't have that!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:30 | 3491336 angel_of_joy
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Believing a lie is more convenient for their intellect.

It doesn't cause stress. It's soothing...

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 02:50 | 3491814 Black Swan 9
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Cognitive Dissonance Explained:

http://youtu.be/QYm8JQUOGK0

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:25 | 3490963 Rustysilver
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Indignation: I have that. What I don't have is enough gold.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:21 | 3491145 Dane Bramage
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I've indignation fatigue.  I mean, how much can one conscious soul endure before you get a bit jaded and say "If you can't defeat the system nor wake up the ignorant masses may was well profit from their combined stupidity and get on enjoying life."  Now it's my motto!  :)  & one can never have enough gold, (silver, ammo, food, fuel, etc.,)... I've been "all in" for 10+ years.  Loving the CRIMEX smack-down gold rush atm.

Ours is a crises-driven society.  Nothing will change until it's too late.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:29 | 3490976 Cdad
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It's true...it's all true.  And public education has a lot to do with all of this indifference you see.  All these years, experimental curriculum, absence of principle, absence of results.  Also absent, the proper teaching of...history.

It's going to take a lot of folk who are comfortable walking against the grain...to begin to budge the government monster that has grown during this period of indifference.  Or... preferably...a whole lot of people who simply slam their wallets shut until such time as sound money and smaller government are achieved...aka The Revolution of the Closed Wallet!

Alas, all I see anymore are zombies...who have some of the physical characteristics of Americans...but in no way remind me of the average Joe of my past.

Additionally:  the absolute absence of parenting in this nation has also swollen the ranks of the indifferent.  

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:36 | 3491005 Westcoastliberal
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The Federal testing programs are all about conformity.  "Teaching to the test" just means memorizing a bunch of crap, then reciting it back at test time.  The student actually "learns" nothing.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:09 | 3491119 1C3-N1N3
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Yup. Grades measure capacity for obedience.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:15 | 3491134 Cdad
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Obviously, you two are not current of former teachers.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:49 | 3491192 Monedas
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"We don't learn .... we just grow up .... and then we know things !" .... Leslie Caron as Lili 1953

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:58 | 3491251 Milestones
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Lisa---American in Paris. 1951 Acadamy award for best picture.         Milestones

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:27 | 3491321 Monedas
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Leslie Caron in Gigi .... Lerner and Loewe .... best French themed musical .... written by English men ?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:29 | 3490977 1C3-N1N3
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.

As for any questioning by Americans of the seeds which grow terror; that will never happen while the empire continues waving its flags from hundreds of enclaves all over the world.

"Please secure us our cheap treats!" -- sheeple

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:01 | 3490987 Supernova Born
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deleted. My indifference exceeded my indignation.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:10 | 3491118 Ignatius
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Sly.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:33 | 3490995 lunaticfringe
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It's like a statist nightmare. We should have just stayed with the fucking King. One solution exists. The easiest one. I'm long on indignation and averaging in even more. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/04/fuck-michael-bloomberg.html

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:38 | 3491008 A Lunatic
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Indignation without action is depression..............

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:40 | 3491015 kevinearick
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There are any number of exits for individuals, but the vortex algorithm groups by characteristic, linking to maximize torque. Upping the bet from Japan was stupid, but expected. In the beginning, it's like boiling a frog...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:43 | 3491033 Wanton1
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Hebland Security is set to kickoff a Bourgeoisie Holocaust here in the USA

just like they did in Bolshevik Russia.

 

http://rense.com/general86/realholo.htm

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:48 | 3491220 Falconsixone
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Some fella said once  "jugular a jew, kill a kike, hemorrhage a heb, zap a zionist, mangle a mossad, ice an israeli". ... I think his name was gold or silver something.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 04:38 | 3491928 Andy Lewis
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That was no fella, that was a piece of shit like you.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 08:57 | 3492240 Falconsixone
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No it was a goldberg or stein wanting to play more poor jew look at what they've done.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:49 | 3491055 Krugger
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Couldn`t argue with most of this article at all until i got to the line " Isn’t it about time, in an era where democracy appears to be slowly gaining ground"

Is it me, or him thats living in a separate reality to the rest of the western world?

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:34 | 3491172 forwardho
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Gaining ground, indeed.

It seems to one awake that the marching boots of facism are gaining ground.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:47 | 3491217 Calmyourself
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I think part of the problem has been identified.  The difference between a Republic and a Democracy is what he is warning of gentleman.  "A republic if you can keep it madam"... B. Franklin, heavily paraphrased

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:52 | 3491060 ebworthen
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You can go out with your guns and fight, or you can buy Gold and Silver, get your money out of the casino (markets and banks), and live simply and milk the system.

The time for physical revolt is not here, as there are too many sheep who would trip you on your way out the door rather than join you.

The time to revolt civilly, by not participating in the Ponzi culture, and tearing it down bit by bit by not contributing to it is here.

+10 for the Chekhov reference and paragraph.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:26 | 3491489 Falconsixone
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That's right....take a nap, and wait for darpa to feed your simple living coordinance in to the hammers. Ponzi's just another ways to a means. They don't care about keeping the system going indefinitely, just until it finishes it's all dead protocol.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:59 | 3491085 Cabreado
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Testament to how far down we are, are the layers upon layers of persons, institutions, organizations with plenty of power and influence to, if interested, exert pressure in the right places... but,

The Rise of the Narcissist is complete.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 20:59 | 3491086 lieto
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It's not just indifference.

It seems more like mass insanity at times.

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:00 | 3491090 ugmug
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There is a lot of indignation...its all bottled up in Gold.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:08 | 3491116 eddiebe
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Arrogance coupled with ignorance are a lethal combination. Good riddance I say.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:12 | 3491131 gwar5
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I know what the author is saying but lots of people know what's going on. Still can't buy any ammo, and everybody knows it's not for hunting. That's not indifference. Those that are asleep will get a rude awakening the morning they wake up and find out they've been Cyprused.

 

Somebody remind Bloomberg it was a smoker on a smoke break who found the Boston Bomber, not one of the 9000 police and military! 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:33 | 3491157 Monedas
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What's a little rat turd .... in an Olympic swimming pool .... full of sausage ? Get a life !  The next time they have a horse meat recall .... they should auction the suspicious food .... with appropriate caveats .... on Ebay .... food is a terrible thing to waste !

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:27 | 3491158 booboo
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"Isn’t it about time, in an era where democracy appears to be slowly gaining ground, that we successfully battle such vice with its corresponding virtue"

God damn, I am only going to say this one more fucking time, DEMOCRAZY IS, IS, IS, IS the FUCKING problem, not the god damn solution you fucking twit and I guess the only way you are going to understand this is when by a democratic vote 51% vote your ass off the island and into the gulag and there is your vaunted democracy in action.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:37 | 3491179 ISEEIT
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Demockratsassie is adorable until it works.

Being a human is adorable when it works.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:20 | 3491202 newengland
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Zionism has drawn the USA into international intrigue - of no use to christians and jews who founded the USA, or  their secularist offspring - or thoughtful new immigrants who came to the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights - for everyone of any creed, color or religion who would believe it, live it, defend it.

A boy aged 19 is accused of grotesque crimes in Boston, the sole accused, although his brother, his family, their connections, their horrible Islamist beliefs put him there...and there are people in CONgress and the CIA who openly promote and support Al Qaeda with our tax money. Openly support terrorists in Russia, and now do again in Syria, Libya, Egypt.

They claim Al Qaeda is bad, yet support Al Qaeda when it supports zionism, and whine about Islamist when they attack the USA. They don't care about the USA. They only care about the Zionists, Trilateral Commission, Chatham House et al of Rothschild Zionism which is a very new thing of the late 1800s: the love of money, no matter who dies.

That's you McCain, Graham, O'bomba and too many others to mention. You know who you are: globalist zionist freaks of no use to American jews, christians, secularists, buddhists, hindus, nor anyone else but your money loving nazionists and islamist fools.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:53 | 3491235 Monedas
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Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, fight fire with fire .... we should fight terror with imaginative and heinous acts of Righteous Pre-emptive Counter Terror ? Crater airports of terror friendly states .... now !

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:57 | 3491241 JustACitizen
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It's not possible that money-grubbing materialism and a complete disdain for actual work has destroyed the fabric of the nation?

A culture of me-first and you-never? How about "I want/need it now"?

About the only indignation I have seen mustered is when a favorite TV show or sporting event is cancelled.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:11 | 3491281 newengland
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It hurts to think of the betrayal of ideals. 

Memorial Day was founded by black soldiers giving a christian burial to their fallen white comrades. You won't see that promoted by the main scream media, and zionists.

I am what is called a WASP, and have more respect for the people who made this country, truly, than CONgress does with its international intrigue, and failed zionism, luring us into hateful wars against all...all for their love of money. They are hateful.

They use the USA, and everywhere else. All for their love of money.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:43 | 3491354 Monedas
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The civil war was the invention of puritanical Socialist "commonwealthers" .... who were jealous of Southern prosperity and hospitality ! It was better business to ship cotton and tobacco to England .... in exchange for better and cheaper goods and textiles .... the North felt they had a right to Southern markets and products .... so much for economic freedom .... it wasn't about slavery .... it was about State Control by force !

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:03 | 3491379 newengland
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What will you do now? Bow down again to your slave master? White trash in the South, KKK. 

Or maybe you are the exception to the rule.

Your sort of white South will NOT rise again. Do we need to defeat you twice? You are no different thant the zionists and islamists, philosophically. 

Yet you are good because you do not kill your country, merely argue with it. Long live the Constitution.

We have a family feud, monedas. Foreigners seek to use us for their own hateful ways. May we never part again, although we will disagree sometimes.

Forgive me. The Boston bombing has had its desired result: foreigners infuriate. Emotion blinds reason, temporarily.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:25 | 3491487 moondog
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The north is fast becoming a police state, NY was first. You may find that in time the south is the last vestige for economic and gun freedom. Bostonians left their homes and allowed military and police to shutdown their town without so much as a whimper. I for one am leaving NY state, to never come back. I'm moving down south with family and friends where I can be free. All thats left in the north is shitty weather, shitty gun laws and shitty taxes. It's a shell of it's former glory.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:40 | 3491516 newengland
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Go, the sooner the better, weakling.

To the weak south.

Your sort won't say thank you when we save you, again.

Guns are only good in the hands of restrained honest patriots, not criminals and weaklings.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:59 | 3491581 moondog
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Were you one of the strong Bostonians who left their homes? Boston strong? Don't fool yourself.

The speech by that mushmouth Ortiz (sounds a bit like mushmouth Menino) brought tears to my eyes...nobody gonna dictate your freedom? Stay soft (SIC)?? You were soft in allowing the police to kick you out of your homes.

I've fought the good fight my whole life to effect political change, to watch the rotten apple and Albany dictate all the laws in my state. I will not bow to emperor Cuomo, but I don't want to live as an outlaw. I'm moving south where I am not required to register my guns by law.

Most northern states will collapse under their pension obligations in the coming years. Jobs are moving south.

New Hampshire was the one state I considered, but the job market is somewhat weak (#27), and the property taxes are high.

Readup on freedom (or your lack of it in the northern states):

http://news.investors.com/032813-649561-republican-states-more-freedom-attract-more-people.htm

http://freedominthe50states.org/

 

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 01:42 | 3491754 newengland
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Money talks, and bullshit walks, pet. Stay safe in your debt servitude.

You are a water pistol shooting at a canon, much like your DC creeps.

We live. Your sort whine.

Politics is showbiz for ugly people; your sort, apparently.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:03 | 3491266 pragmatic hobo
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this is the world we live in ... the world without ethics, world without consequence, run by criminals like bernanke and idiots like obama, and weasels like rengel ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/nyregion/rangel-sues-to-overturn-2010-...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:18 | 3491296 newengland
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New York occupied by zionists is prosecuting its thieves in the legislature, and four out of ten New Yorkers think more prosecutions will come.

New York: everything that is wrong with the USA.

Economist Joseph Stiglitz said Wall St owns Washington. He is correct.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:04 | 3491270 Stuck on Zero
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Most people I know are not indifferrent to what is happening.  They are actively cheering it on.  They vote for Obama, they demand their welfare.  They want more government spending and free healthcare.  They want to soak the rich with massive tax increases and they want their Obamaphone!  They are not indifferent. They are just idiots.

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:12 | 3491289 tony bonn
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i agree with much of what you write, but there are a couple of corrections....the boston marathon hoax by the cia and newsfakers was an operation to guarantee the continued nazification of america....can't have too much trust and freedom - those things kill dontcha know....

also, the ussr did not fall from american economic or military might.....it was shut down on the orders of the rockefeller nazi cabal....

if the usa goes bankrupt soon it will be freedom for this country and the world....unfortunately arrogant rulers as we have in government, congress, and the courts - all window dressing for the rockefeller nazis - do not go quietly into the night.....there will be more terrorism and murder from these thugs.....

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:38 | 3491348 newengland
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Good of you to mention the Rockefeller Nazis. I would add Bush and others, but it might be impolite to do so :-)

O'bomba is their perfect telegenic pet. Goebbels would be jealous of that trimphant telescreed.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 03:10 | 3491837 NoClueSneaker
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+1

... andDuPont .... the most valuable Nazi of all the times  was Allen Dulles, but, who cares ...

Brown Shirts r franchise introduced by Garbage Motors - 200 K of arsonists, bomber and murderers have been organized by GM  to crash the Wobblies - introduced by W.Wilson and backed by the Espionage Act.  ( Just for the record ).

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:22 | 3491316 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I don't know if I should be indignant or indifferent when commercials for K-Mart are reduced to cheap jokes like ship my pants being used in an double entendre manner by everyone from junior to grandma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03UmJbK0lA&sns

 

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:37 | 3491351 IridiumRebel
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Holy Ship that's stupid.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:43 | 3491362 newengland
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Good to see you here, Rebel. No surrender. God bless you and yours. Boston strong.

I pity the people without love of genuine community. They are robbed.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:08 | 3491428 Monedas
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I thought the Kmart add was cute, inclusive family fun .... stupud is Bad Boston Karma .... supporting IRA terror, witch hunts, Teddy Kennedy and the greedy evil they perpetrated on the South .... for the Mass. Military Munitions Industrial Complex !

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:14 | 3491444 newengland
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Lyndon Johnson that Southern man  conspired with his oil men to kill Kennedy who wanted silver to be legal coin, and Israel to be denied nuclear weapons.

The Zionist Nazi Dr Feelgood gave the President Kennedy a drug to relieve the pain of his back, but made him a meth addict, easily manipulated by the nazionists and their fascist italian mob...the gangsters expelled by Mussolini to New York.

And then they killed him in Texas. Fact.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:48 | 3491377 Yes_Questions
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Echoing a thought from a post above, the time for indignation is not now.  But, I think the time is getting close.  

 

And feel it too.

 

Note that the screaming of the idiot box (Thanks PODS) is because the situation grows more desperate by month now, and will accelerate.  Now is the time to quietly get out of the crowd, so to speak, as the screaming escalates.  Be out of the way when the panic hits.  There will be pandemonium.  Real, and widespread.  Not just in one city or region even.  But dust will settle enough and that will be the time for the righteously indignant to act.  And they will by instinct as does a true leader in a time of need.

 

For whatever does actually happen to stir up real trouble, the fear it instills will subside, but this time, a critical mass will not be standing around asking questions or waiving their flags.

 

One can hope, and be patient.

 

 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:06 | 3491436 newengland
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Patience.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:16 | 3491456 Yes_Questions
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Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:49 | 3491382 yatikto
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good article.  I would also call it as expansion of the grey.  A haze of confusion spreading over men.  Then darkness follows and fear will set in.

 

you can't be indignant if you are not sure what is right or wrong, what is black and what is white.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:23 | 3491485 newengland
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I can be sure, and so can you if you have the courage of your honest beliefs.

There is no grey area. There is only the rule of law, prosecuted, without fear or favor.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:19 | 3491471 Gamma735
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In the end in 1984 the main character becomes a true believer in his government propganda.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:31 | 3491504 newengland
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Orwell gave a warning, not an instruction manual for fascists and their enablers...like you perhaps?

You write like Winston Smith who lived for his weak state, and died betraying his true love.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:22 | 3491480 enloe creek
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oh for the love of ben would you have anyone believe in the noble american face it americans got the government they deserve
it's fucking over just a matter of time

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:47 | 3491549 newengland
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Idiot, probably living in a despotic, monarchist or socialist, communist dystopia.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:27 | 3491500 newengland
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Do you see what I see?

Do you feel what I feel?

V

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 02:50 | 3491813 Kirk2NCC1701
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In the long run... Indifference rules.  Rage while you can.  If civil courage has not been bred out of you and turned you into a rich man's poodle.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 07:32 | 3492096 MickV
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The first American Republic is dead. It died with a whimper in the politically correct "election" of the Usurper, and domestic enemy, Barack Hussein Obama, a British subject, born of a British subject father, Barack Obama Sr.
Barack Obama Sr. is "an improper ascendant" (ancestor-- see Federalist 68), who imparted improper foreign influence (See "Dreams From My Father"). Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible for the office of POTUS because he is not a natural born Citizen (See Art. 2 S. 1 C.4), i.e one born in the US of 2 US Citizen parents:

US Law: (SCOTUS precedent)
"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

Since the POTUS is the executor of the laws, and he himself is an illegal entity, then there is no law, and no Constitution. All of the criminals in Government and Wall street know this and are grabbing all the power and riches they can, aided by the cloak of the Useful idiot media, jockeying for its own place at the table of the Oligarchy. The law is now what evil men (and women) say it is. God help the righteous. There will be something new, and it will probably not be better.

As of now, we are repatriated to England, by the election of a British subject, and are subject to the whims of the Rothchilds. The US was the last hope of natural law and freedom, now gone. Soon you will either die on your knees, or fight (and maybe die) on your feet.

Wed, 04/24/2013 - 08:55 | 3492228 stiler
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History is not merely linear. Between Alpha and Omega there are cycles which are not measurable. There is an increase in speed of the cycles. So we approach a wall with an increase in speed & time. No one can tell the tiimeline, but the rate is increasing. 

 

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