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Universal Online Sales Tax Imminent?

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That Congress has had aspirations on collecting sales tax on online purchases, which comprise an increasingly bigger portion of all retail sales in the US, in the past is nothing new. However, following last night's passage of the Marketplace Fairness Act in the Senate with a cloture-busting 74 votes for (and 20 against), the US may be very close to finally adopting a uniform standard taxing all online transactions, regardless of physical jurisdiction or any other geographic boundaries.

As Ars Technica reported last night, "your tax-free days of online shopping are numbered. If S743, also known as the Marketplace Fairness Act, becomes law, the millions of Americans who have been able to avoid sales tax online will have to start paying it. Given the broad support shown by today's US Senate vote, some version of it is likely to come to fruition."

And since a tax is a tax is a tax, it means that the purchasing power of online shopping Americans will be uniformly reduced by some X%, depending on what the final tax structure is agreed upon, which also means that the volume of all online transactions will have to decline by a corresponding amount all else equal, in turn leading to lower overall revenues and profits for online retailers. But at least the Federal government will have more cash to waste on such high ROI generating projects as Solyndra and Fisker.

From Ars Technica:

The bill will compel companies having annual online sales of more than $1 million to collect sales tax on those purchases. Interstate sales have long been exempted from sales tax, but brick-and-mortar businesses have just as long complained about the edge that online businesses have since they avoid collecting taxes. A key opponent of online taxation, retail giant Amazon, recently switched sides after losing some key legal and political battles over taxation. Amazon already collects taxes on sales in nine states, including California, New York, and Texas.


"We've had a lot of innovation in the online space, but federal laws have failed to keep pace," said bill supporter Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO). "Today nearly one in ten sales occur online," and the lost sales tax revenue is hurting state coffers. "It just makes common sense... the Marketplace Fairness Act is about equitable treatment for all sales."


Opponents have already shifted their focus to limiting the scope of the bill through amendments, but it remains unclear if that will make much headway.


"A vote for the Marketplace Fairness Act is a vote to subject a senator's home state Internet [sales] companies to tax collectors in state courts around the country," said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR). Instead, states should look to "voluntary compacts" making it easier for companies to voluntarily collect sales taxes, rather than being compelled to do so.


In addition, the act is an attempt to apply "local laws to the international medium that is the Internet," said Wyden. That could inspire other countries in their own efforts to regulate the Internet, with taxes or with outright censorship.

Curiously, for all the vocal rejection of "austerity" in recent days following the R&R excel gaffe, the amusing aspect is that European governments had never actually implemented spending cuts (as we have shown in the past here and here), and it was the tax hike component to austerity that infuriated most people. It is therefore amusing to watch as the same people who denounce austerity in Europe and around the world, are those who are pushing for an online sales tax, which as the name implies, is simply another form of taxation, and less real disposable income going to end purchases.

We can't wait to see in one or two years whose excel errors will be trotted out for public consumption when this latest taxation proposal backfires and crushes already razor thin retail margins further, leading to yet another downward economic swoon.

Luckily, by then it will be the Fed that will be the end buyer of not only securities, but goods and services as the central bank insanity takes another step-function leg higher, and when "more of the same" fails to stimulate the economy, the only logical response is to do "much more of the same."


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Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:27 | 3488245 NidStyles
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Yay! Now the economy can comence fully imploding.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:32 | 3488278 Skateboarder
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Hah, that's child's play. Throw a 20% VAT on top of a 10% online sales tax and now we're talking.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3488304 slimething
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Yep, that's the goal. Tax and tax and spend and spend and re-elect and re-elect.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:36 | 3488334 francis_sawyer
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Lemme take a wild guess... It was tucked into the bill that they gave themselves pay raises...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:49 | 3488404 flacon
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The last straw for me was learning that our "government" is actually a "for profit corporation", much like Wal-Mart, and NOT the original organic government that it was intended to be when the constitution was written. 


"...these united states of America" vs.



Two completely different entities. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:53 | 3488421 Thisson
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Nonsense.  Stop parroting tripe you read on the internets.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:01 | 3488466 toys for tits
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This thing will have more unintended consequences than imaginable.

1) Krugman's pet inflation lie, the Billion Prices Project, will be fucked.

2) Paying for sales taxes on PM's?

3) As mentioned retaliation from other countries.


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:15 | 3488491 whotookmyalias
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I already pay sales tax on any PM purchases under $1K.

The government has no clue. It looks at tax as easy money and then acts shocked when the unintended consequences arrive.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:18 | 3488574 NotApplicable
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Honestly, I'm surprised it took them this long, as state and local govs have been crying about this ("losing revenue") since the day Amazon set up shop.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:34 | 3488656 Abiotic Oil
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Amazon will need to lower their progit margins from .0001% to .00001%.


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:20 | 3488583 e_goldstein
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Frankly, it does a shitty job of turning a profit and should have gone under long ago.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:44 | 3488703 Sofa King Confused
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If our gov't was a for profit corporation; I think they are doing something drastically wrong.  Unless they see everything in America as their assests.  People, buildings, land, 401 k's, IRA's and all bank accounts.  If that is the case then the debt doesn't look all too bad.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 14:50 | 3489560 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The international bankers see everything in the UNITED STATES as their assets.

As an instrument of the international bankers, the UNITED STATES owns you from birth to death. It also holds ownership of all your assets, of your property, even of your children. Think long and hard about all the bills taxes, fines, and licenses you have paid for or purchased. Yes, they had you by the pockets. If you don't believe it, read the 14th Amendment. See how 'free' you really are. 

The UNITED STATES Of America  is a corporation owned by foreign interests


Like any debtor, the Federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the Federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their “economic slaves,” the U.S. Citizens, as collateral against the federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks, forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.

The United States exists in two forms...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:01 | 3488791 aerojet
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And any court that flies a flag with a yellow fringe around it is an admiralty court whose decisions are null and void.  You still go to jail, though, mysteriously.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 15:00 | 3489615 TPTB_r_TBTF
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 A court under admiralty law is like a ship.  Under admiralty law, when a ship is in harbor, and you set foot onto it, you are subject to the whims of the ship's Captain.  You left the jurisdiction of the land behind you and you enter the Captain's jurisdiction.  (This is just an example of admiralty law, assuming it applies to the ship you set foot onto.)

The same applies to an admiralty court, when you set foot into the court room, you are on their turf, and they can do with you as they please.  Even if they drag you there, admiralty law applies as soon as you see the red/white/blue and *yellow*.


Their flag it has four colors, four colors has their flag...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 14:04 | 3489301 Pseudo Anonym
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and that's not even half of it

our "government" is actually a "for profit corporation",

there's more:

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:56 | 3488429 Antifaschistische
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Maybe they don't realize how much is invested in "internet" stocks.

Do they think this sin will go unpunished in the marketplace?

more 401k/Pension Fund destruction right around the corner...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:20 | 3488579 NotApplicable
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Marketplace? LOL WUT?

Destruction is here regardless. All they're doing is pretending to "fix" it.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:21 | 3488948 Long_Xau
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The expected tax revenue is the pay raise.

Hopefully, the actual consequence of the bill is their death sentence.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:36 | 3488327 docj
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Bingo - hello VAT.

And the "conservative" geniuses who are supporting the placement of all the infrastructure necessary to make a VAT a reality will say when it passes "nobody could have seen that coming".

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:04 | 3488477 LasVegasDave
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This will be a boon for Bermuda, Cayman, Isle of Man, etc., where Amazon, Cheaper Than Dirt, etc. will set up subsidiaries to operate tax free.

stupid congress critters are always behind the curve

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:22 | 3488596 NotApplicable
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That won't work. You either play ball, or else they'll block your IPs from reaching the consumer. Fedgov controls the core routers.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:30 | 3488639 LasVegasDave
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its amazing the tax breaks a few well placed campaign donations will buy you.

hang 'em all.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:06 | 3488808 knukles
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Is the Isle of Man like a Chicago Bath-house?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:20 | 3488918 LasVegasDave
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youll have to ask otto.  thats more his gig

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 14:20 | 3489392 Long_Xau
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It is not like such government actions actually achieve whatever they are intended to achieve. In this case people could just use anonymization networks such as TOR.

Frankly, the more and the sooner the corrupt state tries to use coercive powers, the better. How come? Because every time they use coercive power, they actually become weaker, not stronger. Firstly, they need to spend more resources, and resources are never unlimited. Secondly, a citizen fears more what the state might decide to do in the future, not what they are already doing to him/her (and silently accepting). Thirdly, those who have already seen that what the state does is unacceptable and/or untenable leave the system. The more coercion there is, the more people leave. The more people leave, the less power, resources, attractiveness, etc. their corrupt system has. And also, the more people leave, the more power, resources, attractiveness, etc. the alternative solutions have.

If left unchecked, this develops in a clear positive feedback loop. In other words, a virtuous circle (or vicious, depending on your viewpoint). In other words an exponentially increasing trend. In other words the state better start throwing out laws and regulations and generally lower its footprint in every aspect by yesterday, or else they are history.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:32 | 3488281 SilverDOG
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Hello bartering !

F U, UASS Govt.

Back to phone ordering.

Trace that, you mother f'ers.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:48 | 3488399 gorillaonyourback
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somebody let the dog out,,,,,,, sic em boy

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:31 | 3488283 Fukushima Sam
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Well, I guess I just won't buy as much.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:49 | 3488405 espirit
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Yep, there goes the ole GDP.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:08 | 3488499 yogibear
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They will just adjust it again. It never ever goes negative, 

Better GDP, more debt. Revise it up another 50% and they can add up a lot more debt.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:12 | 3488825 espirit
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Prolly increase the intangibles tax on intellectual property such as  ZeroHedge for educating the plebes.

Oh wait, that's a VAT isn't it?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:08 | 3488505 Panafrican Funk...
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AMZN long then?  I mean, yeah, gravity seems to not apply regardless of, well, anything, but the sales tax thing is a huge market arb for them that's about to go away.  

That said, short with caution.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488296 DosZap
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They are not going to stop until they burn the house down.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488352 centerline
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Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:07 | 3488496 XitSam
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Of course. That is the plan.

This all seems like we're living in an Ayn Rand novel.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:20 | 3488581 Vashta Nerada
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Are there 'free' cell phones in this bill too?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:24 | 3488604 NotApplicable
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The house has been on fire for a long time.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 23:13 | 3491452 Papasmurf
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They are not going to stop until they burn the house down.

Don't leave out the senate.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488301 Burt Gummer
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So does this mean I have to pay sales tax when I buy PM's online?

This is fucking horse shit.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:50 | 3488401 CH1
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This is fucking horse shit.

It is, but everyone will comply.

So, why should the overlords give a shit about what we think?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:53 | 3488424 Thisson
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Who will be our "Aldo" from Planet of the Apes?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:35 | 3490800 Room 101
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Interesting piece of trivia....importation of bullion is duty free. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:36 | 3488322 smithcreek
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Since it will be absurdely complex, most small to medium size businesses will be forced to use a tax collecting service.  Those services, like Amazon already offers to it's "partner" companies will cost about 3% of the tax collected.  So, in the end most businesses will pay for the priviledge to collect taxes for the government.  Nice.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:24 | 3488614 NotApplicable
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Which, like ALL business expenses, is ultimately paid for by the end consumer.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:36 | 3488333 Stoploss
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Adios E-Bay, adios Amazon.


Adios online retailers, it was nice while it lasted.


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:27 | 3488622 NotApplicable
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Not quite. Amazon is going to come out waaaaaay ahead from this scam. They will be one of the few entities large enough to profit from this new barrier to entry.

All of their smaller competition will be left with no choice other than to be one of their "partners."

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:20 | 3488942 Silver Bully
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'Amazon is going to come out waaaaaay ahead from this scam.'

EXACTLY. Why do you think Amazon supports this law? And Google? Because it suppresses their competition wihtout hurting the big boys much. And just wait, I bet Amazon's warehouses will get some kind of tax break to help offset the new sales tax. And Google will get some new subsidy hidden somewhere as well. Meanwhile, the small businessman has to contend with new taxes and new tax compliance costs.

This is crony capitalism at its finest.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:38 | 3489113 Stoploss
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Well i was just wondering about all the NEW taxes coming via Obamacare, etc, etc, too many too list here, and how, oh, 90 million people are out of the workforce never to return, who are pretty much broke now any way, with absolutely no hope of ever getting a paying job again, will continue to buy online now that yet another tax is levied.


Waaaay ahead. I hope so..

In another year, the government will have to subsidize every single business that happens to be left standing. We will start with AT&T..  They have an itty bitty, teenie tiny, issue.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:01 | 3488786 Chuck Walla
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Hey, maybe the Hopium Addicts might start to understand the real nature of their little tin god, B-Rock?


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:09 | 3488812 knukles
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Not A Fucking Chance
They Love and Worship HIM


This is so fucking depressing.  Just think, 15 more quarters of this shit.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:27 | 3488248 slaughterer
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Short AMZN after earnings--just like last earnings.  Global online sales tax will burn their ass.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:31 | 3488272 fonzannoon
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why in the world is it up right now?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:37 | 3488323 Vashta Nerada
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AMZN is lobbying for this bill.  They expect to sell the necesary tax software to the small businesses that will be impacted.  They also expect many of these small competitors to go under, leaving the business for AMZN.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488349 gatorengineer
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Actually it will drive small businesses to use their infrastructure....

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:47 | 3488388 ParkAveFlasher
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The only step Amazon can take is to help finance suppliers, perhaps through reducing its cut of the price or by proprietary lending. 

As an aside, I wonder how much Chinese product funnels through Amazon that would never make it to a geographically remote shelf.


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:02 | 3488468 dick cheneys ghost
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Short Facebook............


So now, your employer can demand your social media passwords.......


(and no, i dont use facebook/social media)


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:08 | 3488506 XitSam
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Facebook? Ha ha, I'm shorting government.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:14 | 3488856 Common_Cents22
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Amazon Web Services will benefit.   Shit gets too complicated for small/med business so they'll outsource and use AWS for compliance.   

Then you know the IRS will have much of your precise PURCHASE HISTORY.


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3488300 Everybodys All ...
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Ebay, Dell, Apple, etc. This economy is a ship wreck.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3488312 Gene Parmesan
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They certainly don't seem to have enough margin to be able to survive it unscathed.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:31 | 3488637 NotApplicable
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Are you forgetting the sizable margins they'll have on selling this new tax paying service? I can't imagine that there's anyone else ready to compete with them.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:22 | 3488964 Silver Bully
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'Short AMZN after earnings--just like last earnings.  Global online sales tax will burn their ass.'

No it will not. Why do you think Amazon supports this bill? Hint: it ain't stockholm syndrome.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:27 | 3488249 mayhem_korner
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Sounds like they're trying to resurrect the secession movement...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:47 | 3488714 NotApplicable
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One casus belli is as good as another.

We might actually get to see a REAL civil war in the US someday.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:37 | 3489099 mr. mirbach
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Exactly! The "Civil War" was fought over Territorial Jurisdiction. This is outrageous...


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:27 | 3488251 I Am Not a Copp...
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Amazon already charges me tax so who cares?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:50 | 3488413 krispkritter
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That rectal-cranial inversion chair you got from them for Christmas is working beautifully...don't change a thing!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:00 | 3488450 Dr. No
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You always have to option to send a check to the government.  For the rest of use who like to keep our money, we discourage addtitional taxes.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:28 | 3488255 random shots
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Dead Weight Loss, Bitches!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:29 | 3488257 tarsubil
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They just keep pushing. How much more are we going to take?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:28 | 3488263 StarTedStackin'
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What are YOU going to do about it?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:29 | 3488269 syntaxterror
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Plenty of States don't charge sales tax. Easy problem to solve.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3488309 tarsubil
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Buy gold and silver and ask bank for cash in the form of nickels. Every little bit counts.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:00 | 3488784 StarTedStackin'
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I can up arrow that!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488295 mayhem_korner
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They just keep pushing. How much more are we going to take?


I think the question is how much more are THEY going to take.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3488316 tarsubil
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That's easy to answer. Everything.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488299 fonzannoon
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I just saw this elsewhere from someone who is in the internet sales biz.

 - gonna be an accounting nightmare for us, people will still buy online though, people are lazy

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3488319 Everybodys All ...
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No they won't because the shipping cost which used to be paid for will no longer because the "savings" from the tax will no longer be there. Therefore the online advantage will become a price disadvantage.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:59 | 3488441 Thisson
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I gave you an uparrow even though I would note that in some cases it might still be cheaper to get the stuff online, because in some cases retail rents are so much higher than the combined shipping and tax.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:12 | 3488533 XitSam
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Plus greater selection and ease of purchase online. Buy in your bathrobe. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:19 | 3488889 Common_Cents22
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I think brick and mortar retail will be a hybrid, something like circuit city or the old service merchandise where they were showrooms and you got the merch from the warehouse part of store.  Maybe showrooms w/ large central warehouses that deliver to your home.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:32 | 3489046 Chuck Walla
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Exactly, losing the advantage of no tax will kill quite a few internet merchants. Maybe that's Obama's plan, more joblessness, more dependency, more votes for Santa.


Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:37 | 3488331 tarsubil
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Increased cost of conducting business and more tax on all sales. What a great recipe for economic growth. I understand though since the government can just print its money, it makes perfect sense to slow down the economy to collect more money. What a total crock o' shi'.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:38 | 3488348 Vashta Nerada
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According to Keynesian theory, you not only aren't spending enough, you aren't spending on the right things, so better for them to take your money and spend it correctly.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:52 | 3488419 ParkAveFlasher
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Not so much the laziness, its the availability of product, the spread of awareness of product, the product reviews - it's like a "wikiproduct" catalogue. 

Amazon basically solves many tangles of marketing+distribution, by giving potential consumers a storefront to browse and backing it up with extremely responsive product offerings and fast pick-n-pack distribution.  You go on Amazon because the stores near you just can't put the product you want out there to buy as responsively as Amazon can. 

They do that better than anyone, at retail price points (whereas eBay is largely used, bargain, discount, etc).

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 19:30 | 3490790 Room 101
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They'll just buy it from Canada or Mexico and avoid the issue entirely. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:28 | 3488259 StarTedStackin'
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'Busch's fault'



Since it happend during the Obowel Movement!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488294 wee-weed up
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“I can make a firm pledge, Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase."

Yeah, right!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:02 | 3488789 StarTedStackin'
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What HASN'T the Obowel Movement lied about?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:03 | 3488798 knukles
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They even said he was black....

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:28 | 3488261 firstdivision
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Better believe it will happen.  The governments of the world need moar money.


OT: Goldman says go long gold, and short oil.....

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:36 | 3488659 NotApplicable
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Well great. Gas just got back down to what I consider the floor (RBOB $2.75), and here comes the Vampire Squid.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:28 | 3488262 Rustysilver
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So what happens to states that don't have sales tax, i.e., NH. We becoming the United States of Europe.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:01 | 3488453 Thisson
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States like NH will have to file a lawsuit saying that this statute is unconstitutional and infringes on their 10th amendment rights - or somethin' like that.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:29 | 3488264 slaughterer
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When is the AAPL flash crash scheduled for today?

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:50 | 3488412 Chief Falling Knife
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4:20ish?  idk... However, I wouldn't be surprised if it skyrocketed along with all the other BS.

My info says Consensus estimates for AAPL are for EPS of 10.15 .. (which would be a 17% loss yoy) .. and consensus revenue of 42.77 billion ..(a 9% increase yoy)

So expectations aren't high.  And in this market, if EPS beats by a penny, it'll probably ramp $30.  WTFN

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:30 | 3488265 Jason T
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More taxes and confiscation of assets.. man.. of course, make all illegals citizens and then tax the shit out of them too.  

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:44 | 3488370 SgtSchultz
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With apologies to Henny Youngman "take my money please"

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:52 | 3488742 RafterManFMJ
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Yea those illegals really contribute to the tax base and don't suck on social services and welfare like a seething roiling mass of B movie mutant ticks.

I think you should pick today as the right day to stop sniffing glue JasonT

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488270 Kirk2NCC1701
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<---- Buy less Crap you don't need.

<---- Move to state w/o sales tax.

Act on one or the other. Whining is optional.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:38 | 3488336 Jason T
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Add make your own... or Brew your own : )

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488347 docj
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I'm in the "Buy less iCrap" camp. Solidly.

Cash-only, local (driving distance) only from now on.

Oh, and Bezos can DIAF. I've just made my last-ever purchase from Amazon.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:31 | 3488274 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Bitcoin bitchez. Forget about the tax avoidance advantages as a merchant just think how much less you need to bake into your online price when you don't have to pay fees to the bank for using a debt or credit card.

Offshore bazaars like in China where the sellers can hide their locality to avoid internet tax. There is all sorts of ways around this. The best and brightest will find workarounds you can bet on that.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:37 | 3488672 NotApplicable
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You mean those criminals? LOL

Guess what? All of these new tax dollars will be used to hire more tax agents and buy more software for them to catch all of the "cheaters."

The rest of course, will be spent on the children, so that we all learn to hate teh ebil tax evaders.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:52 | 3489208 Silver Bully
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'Bitcoin bitchez.'

The entire world economy is dominated by digital fiat currency and you want to skirt around taxes with . . . a digital currency. When the powers that be tire of poking the bitcoin fetus with a stick, they'll either shutdown, overregulate, or outright take control of Mt Gox, which controls over 80% of all BTC currency exchange. The speculators will split, the exchange rate will crash, and the only ones left will be the die-hard true believers, stuck with a currency no one else has a lick of confidence in. And bitcoin will become what it is fated to be: a historic novelty.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:31 | 3488279 mayhem_korner
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Taxation is more about controlling behaviors (and monitoring them, these days) than it is about money.  It's certainly not about balancing the budget.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:41 | 3488362 tarsubil
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The most important domestic behavior? Use of FRNs to conduct business transactions. It is also the most important foreign behavior. Gonna need a couple more wars to protect that one.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:32 | 3488284 MisterA
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Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:06 | 3488485 Dr. No
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The logical end is 100% taxes on everyone.  That is fair in a sense each person is affected equaly by the tax.  Progressive!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:31 | 3488286 Dr. Engali
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 "Today nearly one in ten sales occur online," and the lost sales tax revenue is hurting state coffers. 


I don't give a rat's ass bout the state coffers. The state needs to shrink and spend within their means.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:40 | 3488678 NotApplicable
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"their means" = "hollow point supply"

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:31 | 3488287 exaengr
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Great. Even more California-sheeple will move to Oregon now...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:38 | 3488339 jim249
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I am an Idaho sheeple that just bought a house in Oregon.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:48 | 3488397 SilverDOG
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Both of you buy a dosimeter. Fukushima is still nuking the west coast. Especially pacific northwest.



Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:32 | 3488288 fuu
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The "here and here" links are not working.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:40 | 3488359 francis_sawyer
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Whaddaya expect?... It's not a GW thread...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488289 Dagny Taggart
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Just a matter of time it was... If the State of Maryland can tax the rain water, then everything is taxable.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:36 | 3488321 DosZap
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If the State of Maryland can tax the rain water, then everything is taxable.

Taxing rainwater, LOL

Who do they bill GOD?.( I do agree w/u though).

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488342 Dagny Taggart
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It appears one need NOT be a diety, but merely be in possession of a... wait for it... driveway.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:46 | 3488381 tarsubil
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I know a guy who is trying to sell a house in Cabin John and just doesn't want to take a hit on the sale. People just need to get out of that God-forsaken place.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:01 | 3488455 Dagny Taggart
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I was informed within the past week by an agent for a busy moving company that there had been a unusually large volume of people in the DC burbs getting out of of dodge. She said it was strange because aside from the usual flux of people to the west coast, Texas and Florida, there had been quite a few headed for the hills... Montana, Colorado... she had no idea why.

Those that seem to know are going.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:28 | 3488629 krispkritter
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Thought the same thing myself but coming from Florida, prices are crushed here.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:48 | 3489175 tarsubil
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Yeap. The rats are jumping the sinking ship.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:21 | 3488592 Dr. No
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It seems the goal to reduce run-off into the Chesepeak bay.  Therefore, I recommend they gather up the rain water and truck it off site, to a holding area.   They can then monitor the rain water effects longer term.  Bureaucrat's wet dream. The good news is the system will collapse that much faster; there really is no other way to stop this.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:29 | 3488625 krispkritter
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God forbid you have a 'high capacity driveway'.  You know, a parking lot...

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:59 | 3489267 de3de8
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Actually some counties will calculate ALL impervious areas, (drives,roof tops, patios,sidewalks etc.) using satellite GIS. Will charge $15/impervious unit. ( impervious unit = 500sf) . More do nothing gov't jobs to do and track calcs.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:42 | 3488685 NotApplicable
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Lots of places have stormwater taxes (almost 10 years where I'm at). Soon to be every place it rains.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:04 | 3488796 Dagny Taggart
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I had no idea. Perhaps if the drought conditions continue, they will find a way to tax the sunshine or the wind for good measure.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3488292 Magnum
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I'll go against the grain and say that Amazon's strategy of quietly paying shit wages to a group of slave-like zombie order fillers in secretive warehouses has done enough to wipe out the small independent character of this nation's retail business.  Stick Amazon with a tax, and it might not be too late to stimulate small community retail establishments again.  As long as the tax is paid to state treasury not Washington DC I support it.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488351 Clycntct
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Or maybe we should look at the circle jerk that created the loss in the first place. We could have not wasted our communities businesses.

Now like a dog chashing his tall we will cure the catch.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488356 JebusKhrist
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Magnum, is that the condom size of your lover? "shit wages" "secretive warehouses" "small independent character" STFU bitch.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:10 | 3488521 Thisson
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You are out of your mind!  What's wiping out the "small independent... retail businesses" are the high taxes and costs of supporting this crony-ridden fascist state.  Raising taxes is not going to help a damn thing.  The only way to improve the economy is to improve higher real wages.  The only way to improve real wages is to increase production so there is more to go around.  The only way to increase production is to increase productivitity.  And the only way to increase productivity is to eliminate waste.  We can all agree that the single greatest source of waste is government spending, and this is what needs to be reduced, so that spending can be channeled through the private sector and allocated more efficiently.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:43 | 3488693 NotApplicable
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Sir, please step away from the Kool-Aid.

Put as many conditions on the idea as you like. However, you'll never escape the fact that you're still contradicting yourself.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 13:26 | 3488991 Magnum
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I know what I'm talking about and I mean every word I said.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3488303 Rory_Breaker
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 We are already paying 12.5% VAT on online purchases here in India.


: - (

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:56 | 3488433 espirit
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So sad, but also in our future here in the US.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:48 | 3488719 zerozulu
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TPTB is working hard to make this country like India.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:49 | 3488728 zerozulu
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and than Somalia will not be a farfetched dream.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3488305 jim249
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Amazon: Analyst earnings expectations .09 per share. Stock selling at $265 per share. Now sales tax to collect. Bullish!

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3488343 Everybodys All ...
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They lose money right now. This is an easy short unless Bernanke buys the entire market.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:03 | 3488469 jim249
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I would not short any thing now. Bernake will buy the entire market if he has to.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:45 | 3488702 NotApplicable
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Given the leverage present (and various proxies), I'd say he already has.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3488306 Clycntct
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"Today nearly one in ten sales occur online,"

Alrighty then lets cut your states budget by 10% See how easy that was.

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3488308 unwashedmass
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probably doesn't matter all that much as the peasantry doesn't have much left to buy anything other than groceries.....and even then, they are using food stamps now. so.....they can tax away.....and get nothing much. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3488314 jayman21
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They represent us???  Who wants another tax???

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3488317 Lendo
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Long Amazon



Tue, 04/23/2013 - 11:37 | 3488328 the not so migh...
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the goverment is still going bankrupt no matter how many taxes it passes into law. 

Tue, 04/23/2013 - 12:54 | 3488759 zerozulu
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economic 101-01. once budget deficit is more than 3% it cannot be balanced. economic 101-02 once loan is equal to the GDP, cannot be paid.

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